Which Wallabies could be playing State of Origin?
By John Davidson, 12 Jun 2012 John Davidson is a Roar Guru
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The pinnacle of rugby league is State of Origin and as a matter of interest, I’m looking at which rugby union stars would be well suited to this arena. Could any Wallabies help the NSW Blues get one back against Queensland, or break into an all-star Maroons line-up?
Topping the list has to be the flying winger Digby Ioane. The Reds back has become of the best wingers in the world over the past two years with his penchant for breaking tackles, scoring tries and his broken-field running.
Ioane relishes the contact and would be asset for the Maroons with his fast leg speed. Also, he knows how to do great post-try celebrations – which wouldn’t hurt the crowd atmosphere at big games.
Wycliff Palu is another who fits the Origin mould. With a build similar to Petero Civonaceva, Palu knows league already after a stint with St George Illawarra and with his size and strength would be a handful for any defence. Fit Cliffy with a Blues jumper now.
The Parramatta Eels said Gold Coast product James O’Connor was too small for league. He’s now 1.8m tall and 88kg; is he too small for league and for State of Origin? Considering the likes of Matt Bowen, Steve Turner, and Alfie Langer, I don’t think so.
O’Connor would make a decent Origin winger, for the Maroons of course, with his ball-playing ability and speed. He enjoys the big-match occasion and can also kick goals when required. O’Connor’s ability to play across the backline in a number of positions would also be an advantage.
Another potential Queensland addition would be Reds and Wallabies loose forward Scott Higginbotham. One of the best Aussie players in Super Rugby this year, Higginbotham has the mongrel to big a success in State of Origin. He adds real steel in any pack he is a member of, knows how to find the try line and doesn’t mind a bit of argy-bargy.
Who else has State of Origin potential?
Rocky Elsom is a former leaguie (a Bulldogs junior) with an aggressive style of play but appears injury-prone at the moment and would have to miss out. Tatafu Polota-Nau seems to love smashing people and get smashed himself, but would be too short for the Origin cauldron. Likewise Will Genia, who has the running and passing game, but probably not the size and defence. He could be another Alfie Langer when he turns it on.
Perhaps two wildcards could be the Wallabies two openside flankers, David Pocock and Michael Hooper.
The new Wallaby captain certainly has the strength to prosper in an Origin battle, with guns that would make Ron Burgundy proud. His skills are unique though, and he might not quite have the speed or passing ability to be anything other than a prop forward.
However, new gun Michael Hooper is amazingly quick and break tackles like few other Australian rugby forwards. The Manly boy is lighting quick, has great hands and throws his smaller frame into tackles. Hooper could be a handy lock or back-rower like fellow northern beaches product Anthony Watmough.
Would do you think would thrive in State of Origin?
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June 12th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Richie McCaw said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Not a lot to choose from really. Maybe O’Connor, Palu and Ioane like you said.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:53pm
Justin2 said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
Well Union locks and front rowers are essentially out. League is basically backrower types of varying sizes in the forwards.
I havent been overly impressed with many of the backs in NSW Origin, they are all pretty average so I think plenty of Wallaby backs would be chances actually.
June 13th 2012 @ 11:23am
jeznez said | June 13th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Find the comment that TPN is too short a bit strange. There are plenty of reasons you wouldn’t pick him with fitness, tackling technique and lack of durability being his biggest worries.
But height? The guys is 181 cm tall. That is one centimetre taller than Gallen, only a centimetre shorter than Carl Webb. Given at 113kgs he is heavier than either of them the guys build isn’t a concern.
His tackling technique is not as bad front on as side on so he could get away with it and his hands and pace are big plusses. However in union when he sprints off and pulls off a big play he invariably takes a while to get back to his feet and back into position – given the need to get back the ten and re-set the defensive line in League you can’t afford this time and hence why you wouldn’t pick him without him spending a huge amount of effort lifting his cardio.
Pocock is probably the guy most likely along with Hooper and Gill. You need to remember that Union guys are much bigger than their League counterparts, the smallest guys in the forward pack are the openside breakaways like the three I have mentioned, they also have the highest cardio levels in the team and a bit of pace and acceleration.
Think about succesful union converts like Ray Price, Ben Kennedy and Scott Gourley – all opensides in Union that made succesful transitions.
June 15th 2012 @ 12:50pm
bazza said | June 15th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
The NSW backs are pretty good – Jennings, Hayne, Uate, Stewart
However, it wouldn’t matter who was playing in the centres as long as Greg Bird and Glenn Stewart think they can do better
June 13th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Ripper Eater said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Palu was a reserve grade RL player. Ioane? lol
Not a single union player would get within a bulls roar of the Queensland side.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:51pm
peterlala said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
David Pocock?
June 13th 2012 @ 1:18pm
Victoire said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
NSW Residents v Qld Residents is the best of the second tier comps, essentially a “reserve grade” state of origin. Wycliff Palu would be a chance at getting a spot there
June 12th 2012 @ 12:54pm
jdubya said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
I would love to see Ioane in League and perhaps O’Connor. I think Genia would also be a great hooker, he could use his speed and kicking and passing game to great effect – would have to work on his defence as you said. Guys like Elsom, Palu, TPN, Higginbotham and Pocock would all be good forwards in the NRL and I think that Pocock especially is built for a game like Origin.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:03pm
Mac said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
Genia would definitely be a massive handful out of dummy half. I think David Pocock through sheer will and determination would be a great SOO player. Sure his ball pilfering abilities would be largely nullified due to stripping laws in RL but his upper body strength would be ideal for laying all over the ruck, holding opposition players in wrestling grips and slowing down the play of the ball down in general. Come to think of it, thank god he’s not wasting his talents and abilities in league..
June 12th 2012 @ 1:04pm
Benson said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
I’m not sure if you could class Elsom as a dogs junior, he played 10 games in jersey flegg as an 18 year old.
It would be hard for any forward because they are the wrong body shape, either too tall or too heavy.
In reality any good footballer could play. Look at guys like Darius Boyd, Josh Morris, Corey Parker, Mitchell Pearce etc. They don’t exactly scream amazing.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:04pm
Dan said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Kurtley Beale would be a superstar fullback or five eight in league
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June 12th 2012 @ 1:24pm
Tommygun said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
He was a superstar 5/8 in league in his junior days, unfortunately for league Union fought harder for his talents, but I guess thats just footy in Aus!
June 12th 2012 @ 1:06pm
Benson said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
I wouldn’t be worried about will genias strength. I heard his an Ioane bench press is in the top 5 of any league or union player in Australia.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:14pm
mattamkII said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
If rugby was a sport where you lay on your back pushing something off your chest once, then bench max would mean something.
Ask Andrew Sheridan about it. Dont get me wrong, the guy tore Australia apart once or twice but if bench strength meant anything, he would have dominated everything and everyone he came up against.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:45pm
Benson said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
That is true. I think sometimes England think it is played in the weights room.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:53pm
peterlala said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
Maybe they like the mirrors.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:10pm
kingplaymaker said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
I have a question for anyone who would like to answer.
Given that Palu is similar to Civoniceva in the kind of power he brings, and power ages best in terms of rugby qualities, will be make it to the next world cup even at the age of 33?
June 12th 2012 @ 5:39pm
Greg said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
You might be right. Rowers tend to get to their maximum around 32 or 33 I think, and for some reason Palu seems to be doing really well as he gets older. Nathan Sharpe has had his best year for years (ever?) and is older than that now. Injuries of course are the big issue.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:11pm
Adam said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
Other side of the equation… which origin players could play for the Wallabies?
Ingilis and Hayne would be walk up starters at 13 and 15 respectively… as would Cronk at 10.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:18pm
Richie McCaw said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
Much harder transition, they would need a few years to get to grips with the idiosyncrasies of union. They can’t just know the rules and that’s it they would have to develop their rugby instinct which does take time, just look at Brad Thorn and Sonny Bill Williams.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:28pm
Ripper Eater said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
Unfortunately the facts show no union player has ever played for the Kangaroos within a year of switching.
The long, long list the other way says it all.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:07pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
That just shows that at points in time the Wallabies haven’t been that strong. Remember Wally Lewis (arguably leagues greatest ever player) played union for Australia’s national school boys team before he played rep league. League is catch, run, pass, tackle…Union is a little more complicated than that. Similar to Boxing vs MMA. I’m probably going to cop some flak for this, I know some Aussie’s can be passionate about their league.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:40pm
Tiger said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
Wally Lewis was a league junior who went to a school that played union where he made the Aussie schoolboys.
June 13th 2012 @ 4:04pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
Sorry, I couldn’t find reference to that. I’ll take your word for it as I’m not too well versed in league.
June 13th 2012 @ 4:20pm
Rough Conduct said | June 13th 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
yeah, sat on the bench behind Mark Ella
June 13th 2012 @ 4:32pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
lol
June 13th 2012 @ 2:50pm
peterlala said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
RM, Brad Thorn improved significantly when he learned how to play union. Fair play to him. I think that shows how important coaches are.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:00pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Exactly. It’s always nice to ponder what ifs but usually there’s more than meets the eye when contemplating such transitions other than “would this guy be good, would that guy be good?”.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:19pm
mattamkII said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
as we’ve found out, it seems harder for NRL guys to cross over and make a real go at it.
Again dont get me wrong, I think the Sailor, Rogers, Tuqiri era guys were actually under rated by mass market rah rah refusal to accept them. All those guys played some amazing rugby union. But, it seems unions more technical rules makes it a bit harder to pick up.
Even on Saturday Chris Ashton for England was clueless at the breakdown.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:25pm
rl said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Yeah, Jason Robinson was a great success in union – made that other convert Sailor look completely stupid at 2003 Rugby Wold Cup final (thanks for reminding me!)
June 12th 2012 @ 2:22pm
mattamkII said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
very good point.
reckon he was the the best convert back?
June 12th 2012 @ 5:41pm
Greg said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:41pm | Report comment
Jason Robinson was arguably the best convert there has ever been. And I’m Australian. He was brilliant. You never know, Joe Tomane looks very very impressive to me. He might be up there. Just ask Michael O’Connor.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:42pm
Greg said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:42pm | Report comment
Eventually I mean.
June 13th 2012 @ 5:09pm
Jerry said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:09pm | Report comment
Realistically when it comes to best league to union convert there’s only two options – Robinson and Thorn. There were a bunch of other guys who I’d class as successes to various degrees (and I’d include Tuqiri, Sailor and Rogers as successes) but those two are in another class.
June 13th 2012 @ 5:11pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
And SBW is still a work in progress.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:33pm
kingplaymaker said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Adam any centre in the NRL almost. Hayne, Hopate on the wing. Slater somewhere. Who knows about the forwards, many of them if they had always played rugby. What about Folau, Hunt….
June 12th 2012 @ 1:47pm
Benson said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Karmichael Hunt was a gun rugby player. He went to churchie and played Queensland schools.
June 12th 2012 @ 3:41pm
Adam said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
I reckon Hayne and Ingis are best suited because both have a brilliant long kicking game… and probably safer under a high ball than Slater.
How does this look?
15. Hayne
14. Ioane
13. Inglis
12. McCabe
11. O’Connor
10. Beale
9. Genia
June 12th 2012 @ 5:43pm
Greg said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
Billy Slater would have to be. He is just incredibly gifted. I think he would make the transition very well.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:46pm
Dubble Bubble said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:46pm | Report comment
If (and that’s a big if) Idris ever gets around to fulfilling his potential he would make a hell of an outside centre.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:33pm
rl said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
John, how about Pat McCabe? Big ticker, good turn of pace, hard running, hard tackling. Not a distributor, and might not tear it up like Jennings or Uate, but much more reliable defender and wouldn’t show Jennings’ ill discipline. Probably comparable to Dragons/NZ Jason Nightingale – not a very fashionable player, but jeez he gets the job done.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:59pm
Max Power said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
You could almost swap McCabe and Beau Scott and no-one would ever know.
June 12th 2012 @ 1:39pm
p.Tah said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
People criticise Quade for his defence, but it is greatly improved. I’d include him along with Beale, JOC, Digby, Genia …
June 12th 2012 @ 1:51pm
Tommygun said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
I must admit i ahev always been curious about Quade in the NRL. I see many similarities with him and Benji and leading up to last years RWC their had been a fair bit of talk about a possible code switch. Of course, after a below par, injury interupted world cup the rumours died off as quick as they started and with the recent contract he signed with the Reds it seems highly unlikely he will ever cross.