Should the Welsh have won against Wallabies?
By The Crowd, 12 Jun 2012 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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For many rugby fans around the world, the Wallabies’ loss to Scotland consolidated a growing popular view that Wales were going to teach the Aussies a lesson.
After all, the Welsh had ruthlessly beaten the Scottish only a few months earlier on their way to becoming Grand Slam Six Nations Champions.
Australia, meanwhile had… well, we won’t go there.
Regardless of whether the weather was to blame, many of those poor Aussies – who were having to back up from that match – would now be weighed down by the tiny bits of Strokosch, Rennie and Barclay that had been embedded in their flesh from the brutal Scottish tackling.
It was gospel that either their own poor form or the suicidal scheduling had killed the slight chance that the Wallabies would defeat Wales.
Indeed most thinkers of the game from the north had been claiming that for the first time since the English of 2003, a European team had all the stars and Australia had all the weaknesses.
From one to 15 the Welshman had it over the Wallabies.
A stronger tight five, a better balanced back row, a more creative nine and 10, a higher calibre of centres, a classier fullback.
To cap it off, Wales had two of the biggest, fastest wingers the game is ever likely to see.
So what happened?
The loss to Scotland was simply a poetically just rugby god intervention.
As the heavens opened up and that storm came in, the rugby gods were sending John O’Neill a message: “Don’t mess with the rugby gods, John! Thou shalt not treat the proud Scots with arrogant contempt.
“And thou shalt not squeeze in extra games to make money, nor risk player burnout four days before the series involving the Tri and Six Nations champions.
“Thou shalt be smitten by thy smiting free press, John!”
The fact that Scotland beat Australia due to a ludicrous schedule was compounded by even more ludicrous weather.
This should have provided us all with a greater sense that the Wallabies would destroy the Welsh in a vengeful performance.
It didn’t, and many wrote the Wallabies off because, of course, the Welsh have a better team.
Don’t get me wrong, they probably do. But that team didn’t line-up on Saturday.
As we all know Jamie Roberts, arguably the best 12 in the game, is not touring, and is simply a loss no one can afford.
Their two starting locks from the Six Nations campaign were unavailable due to weddings. In Wyn-Jones’ case this has seen him miss training and hence saw him frustratingly relegated to the bench.
In Ian Evans’ case this has resulted in him entering into lawful matrimony and being relegated to a life of frustration.
I think most pundits knew of this, but did they know that the player of the Six Nations, Mr Lydiate himself, is essentially playing on one leg?
He has opted to have his much-needed ankle surgery at the end of the tour.
While he is still on top of many work-rate statistics categories, he is a shadow of his influential self.
Similarly, their splendid number 13 Davies is also putting off surgery on a troublesome hernia.
He looked like he was enjoying running as much as most of us enjoyed having to stare into the sun.
Their coach had also been amiss due to injury, and to top this off they decided to play a rookie hooker, and to leave Hook on the bench when he should have been playing at 12.
Things were not looking good, and as George North limped off I thought to myself ‘we were just meant to win this’.
Of course we were not just meant to win this at all. We won because Genia had a blinder. We won because Pocock was immense.
And we won because everybody else did their job at a faster pace than what the Welsh are used to.
I now expect Wales to be stronger.
I expect Hook to play at number 12 to give them width, and I expect Wyn-Jones and Evans to resume their partnership in the second row.
I expect the entire team to be prepared to play the game at the tempo of the Wallabies.
I believe Wales should send Lydiate and Davies home to have their surgery, and replace them with capable and fully-fit replacements. I believe they should do the same with George North, if indeed his injury is serious.
I expect that they won’t and will all play regardless.
A full-strength Wales should have beaten a depleted Wallabies on Saturday. But, like us, they couldn’t and didn’t put out their full-strength side.
All the experts should have realised that all bets were off.
I think all bets should be off for the rest of the series, with the only sure thing being that anything can happen between two very even teams.
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June 12th 2012 @ 3:36am
Pot Hale said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:36am | Report comment
Interesting article. Except for this line:
The fact that Scotland beat Australia due to a ludicrous schedule was compounded by even more ludicrous weather.”
That right there is why Australia will continue to lose matches they ‘shoulda won’.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:02am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:02am | Report comment
Many thanks for your comment. Although that line was somewhat lost in the translation of editing, I stand by the sentiment that it was foolish of O’neill to agree to a fixture that gave a proud, professional and battle hardened team, too much of an advantage in terms of preparation. That to me is a simple fact evident by my non recollection of any such fixture being scheduled by anyone else in living memory. I think my point that may have been lost was that the storm was poetically just, icing on the cake, if you will.
As an article by Stephen Jones in the UK Rugby World magazine stated about the scheduling, “The brevity of the Wallabies build up is almost suicidal”. Indeed it turned out to be so.
In saying that the article I wrote was more to do with last Saturday’s match and so well done to the Wallabies for bouncing back so quickly. Many and particularly those that played 2 or 3 matches within one week certainly dug deep.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:23am
Pot Hale said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:23am | Report comment
Fair enough. however:
“proud, professional and battle hardened team”
Is the Scotland B-ish side you’re talking about? They hadn’t played any test match in advance. They had more preparation but also had to travel.
Ireland played a Barbarians side 2 days after the Pro 12 final. Without some of their top players, they lost. That’s June scheduling for you.
June 12th 2012 @ 6:03am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 6:03am | Report comment
Cheers again PH.
That is true about the Irish v Barbarians. The fact they played that 11 days before the NZ test match I thought was clever so that they could all be refreshed for the ‘important’ match.
In what way where the Scottish playing their B-ish team? Apart from Denton and Hamilton who were unavailable due to injury and suspension respectively I don’t think they rested any major player. They played their strongest available, after all they set that game up to help boost their rankings before the end of year RWC draw and we fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
I’m happy calling the Scots proud, professional and battle hardened after the 6 nations where IMHO they performed well without getting the results. Plus, Edinburgh went to the semis in the Heineken and Glasgow similarly in the Pro12, reportedly with the competitions best defence. Again IMHO, underestimating teams like Scotland is, to borrow your line if I may, why teams like Australia may continue to lose matches they ‘shoulda won’.
I agree June is going to need a little IRB intervention for next year so that players are not taken advantage of.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:45am
Marky mark said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
I don’t think baa baa matches count as anything other than warm ups. The match against the scots was a genuine test.
I agree now that it was ridiculous to play them although at the time I hadn’t thought so. In hindsight why play that match ? Why didn’t th scots pay an Aussie second xv or an Aussie baa baas team? T play 2 test matches in a week was stupid!
June 12th 2012 @ 7:59am
Justin2 said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:59am | Report comment
Hadnt Scotland had two weeks in AUS prior to the Test?
June 12th 2012 @ 3:45am
bluerose said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:45am | Report comment
you mentioned the loss of Roberts but you forgot the loss of JOC, Beale, Cooper and Horwill to the Wallabies, those 3backline players had they played would have made a huge difference in terms of attack, im hoping for a new 2nd row in the 2nd test maybe someone new to partner Sharpe, too bad Deans has released Douglass from the squad, overall im happy with the win and hoping they (Aust) win the next 2tests.
June 12th 2012 @ 3:56am
Johnno said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:56am | Report comment
Bluerose wallabies have more depth than wales so injuries to other players hurts.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:18am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:18am | Report comment
Cheers for the comments. Bluerose no I didn’t list the specific wallabies missing in action. But I did say,
‘A full-strength Wales should have beaten a depleted Wallabies on Saturday. But, like us, they couldn’t and didn’t put out their full-strength side.’
But you are right those players you mentioned were all huge losses. Perhaps not having either JOC or Beale or Cooper is as big a loss as Jamie Roberts and despite Horwill’s critics he is certainly being missed in the tight five.
Johnno you are right. There are certainly some positions where we have a great deal more depth than the Welsh. When you really think about it perhaps the only area they have a distinct greater depth is lock and inside centre? Your thoughts?
June 12th 2012 @ 4:15am
Breakdown said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:15am | Report comment
Very entertaining werewolf. Fair play that the NH should’ve feared the wounded wallabies a bit more.
Do you think Wales losing faletau ensures at least now that the wallabies should go in as clear favourites?
June 12th 2012 @ 5:32am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:32am | Report comment
No I don’t think so. Obviously you do Breakdown and I can see why. Faletau is an outstanding young no 8. But he was unusually poor on Saturday and although he is a loss, no 8 is an area where they have depth. Ryan Jones is an experienced test match backrower and Delve is another option as he will certainly have the ability to keep up with the SH play due to his experience in super rugby.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:49am
Marky mark said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
I definitely thought the welsh would win after we lost to Scotland. Obviously the scheduling and the rain had more to do with the result than anything else otherwise Wales who are twice as good as Scotland would’ve easily beaten the wallabies.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:28am
ohtani's jacket said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
I don’t think you can ignore the Brisbane factor. Only the All Blacks and Lions have won there in the professional era. It’s probably replaced Sydney as the toughest place to play the Wallabies.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:44am
Pierce said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Spot on OJ and with the final Bledisloe of 2012 to be played there, if the WBs are good enough to go there one-all, who knows…
June 12th 2012 @ 3:35pm
Rob from Brumby Country said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
ohtani, have you ever been to ANZ Stadium? Have you experienced its insipid atmosphere, its indifferent (and sometimes treacherous) crowds?
How anyone could think that it could even come close to being a tough place to play the Wallabies is beyond me. It barely meets the criteria for a home ground as it is.
June 12th 2012 @ 4:08pm
ohtani's jacket said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
I’ve never been there, but up until recently Sydney was a tough place to play. I have plenty of bad memories of NZ playing Australia in Sydney.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:16pm
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
I completely agree. The Queensland fans are always reliable to give us an advantage. Let’s hope the Melbourne and Sydney crowds step up, particularly as practice for next years lions fan invasion.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:46am
Brett McKay said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Werewolf, you might get an idea on Hook after tonight – he’s slated to play 10 against the Brumbies, with Ashley Beck being named at 12. I thought Beck was pretty good when he came on for Scott Williams in the Test..
June 12th 2012 @ 9:37am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
It will be interesting because I here Hook has rediscovered some good form for Perpignan this season. I would be keen to get him involved at 12 for the tests where he plays his best rugby I think. Williams didn’t really shine apart from one good run early and of course I felt for him when he got ‘Polata Naud’. Beck yes of course another good option for them. They have some depth in the centres don’t they!
I am also looking forward to seeing how Harry Robinson does on the wing against the ponies. Will he be needed to make his test debut to give North’s leg another week’s rest?
Tipuric is another to watch. I thought he was brilliant for them during the 6 nations. If he plays well against the Brumbies they may do a Scotland and play two opensides against us for the next one.
With so many interesting little sub plots I can’t wait for Saturday.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:28am
Atawhai Drive said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Is there any live streaming of tonight’s Wales-Brumbies match?
June 12th 2012 @ 9:40am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Not that I am aware of, but it is on radio: ABC 666 Canberra, and streamed thru the ABC website I believe (radio call only).
June 12th 2012 @ 9:44am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
They’re not showing it back home? One of the advantages of living abroad. I’ll be watching on sky and would be happy to give some feedback.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Rugby Fan said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Are you sure Sky have it? I don’t see it in their schedule.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:37pm
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
No it seems to have been dropped from scheduling.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:30am
M.O.C. said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
I think the Welsh lost the game purely for the fact that they appeared scared to run the ball. Australia seemed to suffer from the same problem and both teams spent the game continually kicked away possession. In the end I felt that neither backline really challenged the other – if they had, I wonder if the hugely talked-up Welsh outside backs might have been the difference. Quite frankly as the unbeaten 6-nation champions the Welsh disappointed me and comparatively the Wallabies did not seem much more impressive. All in all, I felt a little short-changed by the whole affair – not that it left me too much out of pocket
June 12th 2012 @ 10:11am
Ben S said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Werewolf, just a small pointer – A.W. Jones is Alun Wyn, not Wyn-Jones. Just saying… Lots of UK journalists get that wrong too.
June 12th 2012 @ 4:55pm
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
I did not know that. I’m happy to stand corrected.