What we’ve learnt from the first weekend of International rugby
By Brett McKay, 12 Jun 2012 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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The Wallabies kept Wales at arms length on Saturday night (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)
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It felt weird on Friday night, not building into the weekend on the usual diet of back-to-back Super Rugby games, but it’s always great to watch Test rugby at its very best.
To focus on one game in particular would almost seem unfair to the others played, such was the quality on show in Auckland, Brisbane, and Durban.
So instead, here are some things we’ve learnt over the weekend.
Brian O’Driscoll adds the same presence to the Irish backline as Stirling Mortlock does for the Melbourne Rebels.
Both are well into the twilight of their careers, but the extra something they add to their respective sides is only noticeable when they’re on the field and playing, rather than when they’re gone.
O’Driscoll played almost like a ‘second five’ in New Zealand terms, even when he is running in the 13 channel in attack. At numerous times against the All Blacks, Jonathan Sexton would have option runners at 10, Keith Earls would run the straight line at 12, and O’Driscoll would then find himself with more option runners in the wider midfield.
Against any other team than the All Blacks, this would be a really dangerous and useful alignment, and despite the scoreline, Ireland looked so much better than they did in the Six Nations with their inspirational skipper back on deck.
New Zealand may have found their next superstar winger.
If Julian Savea dreamt of a better debut than three tries, two line breaks, and 120-plus metres from eight runs, then I shudder to think how good his dream game would be.
Savea was a 50-50 winger in Super Rugby last year, emerged as a massively improved and much more rounded player in attack and defence this year, and after such a sparkling Test debut, now looks to have a very long All Black career ahead of him.
Debutants or not, the All Blacks juggernaut rolls on. Annoyingly so. Aaron Smith, Brodie Retallick, and Savea were all excellent. Savea I’ve mentioned already and Retallick showed he’s more than up to this level.
Aaron Smith has issued a massive challenge now to Piri Weepu for the rest of the international season. The day you have serious selection questions being asked about a fifty-Test veteran, your system is working well. And TJ Perenara waits in the wings…
Wales are masters of capitalising on broken play and they need to be when Rhys Priestland has a quiet night steering the attacking plays.
Alex Cuthbert’s 58th minute try had its origins in a kick reception from their own 22, from which Leigh Halfpenny went right to Priestland, who launched a towering midfield bomb to come down on halfway.
Cuthbert was able to bat the ball back to Priestland, and from the resulting ruck, Wales found themselves with something like an eight-on-four overlap out to the left. Four phases later and after working back right around 30 metres out from the Australian line, replacement centre Ashley Beck produced a stupendously good offload for Cuthbert to run it in untouched.
Similarly, a Gethin Jenkins kick through after Scott Higginbotham had the ball stripped from him led to Cuthbert regaining the ball from Digby Ioane, and a horrible Sam Warburton pass to Priestland butchered a four-on-one overlap, and what would’ve be a certain Welsh lead in the game.
Only minutes later, nine phases after Mike Phillips touched what would’ve been an out-on-the-full box kick from Will Genia, Genia put Pat McCabe through for the winning try.
Berrick Barnes is still a quality no.10. Despite a lot of protests and conjecture over the last week, there can be little doubt that Barnes is the best flyhalf in Australia at this very moment. Genia was a deserving Man of the Match on Saturday, and I’ll discuss him further next, but Barnes deserves a lot of praise for his game management in the impressive Wallabies win.
Barnes’ vision around the park both from hand and boot went a long way to Australia gaining the territorial advantage they did. It was great to see him staying flat in attack again for the most part, and both McCabe and Adam Ashley-Cooper, who are so much more dangerous when running onto the ball at the gain line, were superb in support.
Will Genia is the most influential player in Australian rugby in I don’t know how long.
The way he led the team around the park on Saturday night, the piece of individual brilliance to score that exceptional solo try just after halftime, the smarts to put McCabe through a gap to score untouched as Wales were in the midst of a remarkable comeback; this truly is a player at the top of his game.
I think it’s only a matter of ‘when’ Genia becomes an outstanding Wallaby captain. The Wallabies are blessed to have some excellent leaders in Horwill and Pocock, and even Barnes, but none of them give the team that ‘oomph’ that Genia provides when on song.
Tatafu Polota-Nau may kill someone. Or himself.
Seriously, how long can an approach to defence so free of self-preservation last?
Thankfully, Scott Williams suffered only “a facial laceration which it is hoped will not prevent him from being available for selection next week,” according to the Welsh late on Sunday. It could’ve been – and looked – so much worse.
The Wallabies have now played up to their no.2 world ranking, so what does that mean for this Saturday night in Melbourne?
If there’s been one constant of the Wallabies under Robbie Deans, it’s been their infuriatingly consistent inconsistency. The Wallabies often seem incapable of stringing two top-notch performances together.
If you’ll pardon the obvious, it was truly like watching a different side on Saturday night, after the debacle in Newcastle last Tuesday. But if history counts for anything, should Wallabies supporters now be nervous about the Second Test against Wales?
Even if Morne Steyn has an off night, South Africa can still grind out wins.
Though the scoreboard in Durban read 22-17, England were rather flattered by the final margin.
The contest was willing and gripping at times, even a touch spiteful at others (Dylan Hartley is back to his best, I see), but South Africa were always in control. New coach, Heyneke Meyer, talked up a simple game all last week, and that’s exactly how the Springboks played. Tellingly, they played the simple game way better than did England.
The all-Sharks front row was terrific, and the young locks Eben Etzebeth and Juandre Kruger showed that life after Botha and Matfield is still going to be pretty rosy.
Overall, we were treated to a wonderful weekend of international rugby, and if the next two weekends produce more of the same, then this break in the middle of the Super Rugby season will quickly become a brilliant idea.
More, please!
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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June 12th 2012 @ 3:32am
Pot Hale said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:32am | Report comment
Jeez – I almost get the sense Ireland played well after that write-up, Brett.
Almost.
June 12th 2012 @ 3:53am
Johnno said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:53am | Report comment
Good article Brett, and you make some crucial points about where the wallabies are headed in 2012
-Some facts too.
-TPN style your right is dangerous he could kill himself or someone. He tackles like a gridiron player but without a helmet him or the opposition dangers stuff especially in this time when concussion in contacts is really in focus right now.
-Maybe one shouldn’t live in hypotheticals or not do hypotheticals, and you can only be judged on the opposition in front of you.
-but some facts on wales
-No Warren Gatland
- Jamie Roberts 6’4 105-110kg huge I/Centre he is such a big loss for wales he gets them going forwad so well Wales would be a lot stronger with jamie roberts there, he was just about the best player in the world cup and great for the british lions too.
-And George North did go off early there other big man with Alex cuthbert who is great. North and Roberts would of made a huge difference for wales getting over the advantage line.
- I don’t think the loss of Kurtley Beale or JOC or Horwill or elsom hurt as much as Wallabies have more depth. But wales top 22 is very good but when injuries strike they are in trouble.
-And a dry pitch would suit big fast if it was hypothetically a trull strength wales who have less depth than australia but like a dry track for there big men.
-And I don’t think James Horwill has been a big loss . I don’t rate him that highly anyway i think in the world cup Vickerman who has been a big loss, and sharpe should of started anyway.
And I think David Pocock is a better captain than James Horwill, as is will genia who sparked the reds form last year when he was captain while James Horwill was out.
-And do you think Brett Rocky Elsom has a future back in the wallabies as i feel Higgenbotham is too loose and not convinced on Dave Dennis yet.
-Deans I still think should be sacked after the scotland loss, and many roarers want Deans sacked but some forget to easily, Samoa debacle, the scotland debacle, the world cup semi final debacle, deans hopeless match day coaching his use of the bench is always not up to elite test standard.
-Interesting in the papers they were talking about Jake White has been helping Deans out at training and being of assistance I don’t know what to read into that surprised Denas would let World cup winner white into the sanctum.
-Steve Kearney another kiwi coach under pressure at Parraamtta eels was offered help but refused, Deans seems happy to have help of Jake White. I wouldn;t help out if i was Jake White basically Deans may get the credit but it is jake white doing the tacitcs or advice.
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June 12th 2012 @ 5:23am
all7days said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:23am | Report comment
I think the injuries effected the Aussies much more than they did Wales. With Quade, O’Conner and Horwill, the Aussies are good enough to get wins against the ABs. Without them they can nearly lose to Wales…
June 12th 2012 @ 10:28am
Jerry said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
Bit simplistic – with all 3 of them they lost to Ireland last year and with 2 out of 3 they lost to England the previous year. The Wallabies are inconsistent regardless.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:17pm
all7days said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Might be a little simple… Though Beale and JOC in particular still make a more substantial loss. Plus the captain and Cooper makes it no contest
June 12th 2012 @ 6:33am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Johnno some very strong opinions there. I feel compelled to comment. There’s too many to comment on so I might just stick to the point I most agree with and the one I most have exception with.
Agree 100%: Elsom should not be forgotten. (There will be many that disagree). Unfortunately we’ve not seen his 07-09 form for too long so he needs to regain his match fitness and prove himself first though. He needs to perform so it seems that we can not afford not to pick him.
Disagree 100%: Deans sacking after losing to Scotland. I do not think he is accountable for the scheduling of that match which gave him a suicidal amount of preparation time and the need to manage players either side of a test match and a super rugby round. He needs a fair go like the rest of us.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:47am
Cattledog said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Too right Elsom shouldn’t be forgotten. Apparently the chook raffles at the after party have been a real fizzer without him. See, he was good for something
June 12th 2012 @ 9:10am
Brett McKay said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Johnno, I’ll come back to you here mate, you’ve gone the scattergun on on me!!
June 12th 2012 @ 11:27am
sheek said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Johnno,
I’ll have a crack in responding!
1. TPN does need to change his tackling style. Otherwise, his might be a short career. In any case, Stephen Moore is far & away our number one hooker IMHO.
2. I don’t think Warren Gatland’s absence is all that significant. Rob Howley is an excellent backup coach, & former brilliant player. I’m sure Gatland & Howley have been ‘in communicado’. And as Howley remarked, Gatland has left excellent structures in place for everyone to follow.
3. The strength of any good team is to cope with absent players. Sure, Jamie Roberts absence is a blow, but there is still plenty of firepower across the park in this Welsh team. Alex Cuthbert has been a pleasant find on the upside.
4. The Wallabies are showing pleasing depth. It was a good win considering Horwill, Cooper, Beale & O’Connor were all on the injured list. The team played well.
5. On the captaincy issue, I’ll have to take a ‘time-out’. There are many aspects to captaincy, not just on-field leadership. Pocock has admittedly however, been very impressive. But that shouldn’t mean Horwill is undeserving either.
6. Rocky Elsom is gone! Injury has plagued him the last few years & in any case, other players have superseded him in performance. However, Higginbotham needs to show more consistency. Dennis could eventually be the man for #6.
7. Just because some Roarers want Deans sacked doesn’t mean it will happen. Roarers don’t run Australian rugby, & on evidence, there are times when that’s a very good thing!!!
I still maintain, as I have all along, that Deans was the best man for the job in 2008, & is still the best man available in 2012. Key word – available. The fact that his tenure has been less than desired is something no-one could have envisaged back in 2008. We would all be geniuses if we had the power of hindsight.
Despite the growing depth of players & quality of play in the Wallabies, it has taken a long time because frankly, the Wallabies slumped awfully during the period 2005-07.
For me, Deans is a side issue. I’m still concerned that the many factors – outdated, inefficient & even non-existent structures, poor player participation numbers, lack of focus on talent identification, coaching & scrums, etc – that allowed Australian rugby to collapse between 2005-2009 haven’t been rectified. And consequently, will come back to haunt some other national coach in the future.
Consider our game compared to NZ & SA. When they lose a swag of very good players, they are usually down for only a short period of time. Say 2 years max. They bounce back quickly because of their outstanding domestic structures.
And even when they’re down in quality & experience, they usually still make you work bloody hard to beat them.
Contrast this with Australia, when we’re down, we’re inclined to stay down for anything from 3-7 years. Sometimes more in the past. We don’t have the same efficient domestic structures. And when we’re down, we also turn into easybeats. Which is very disheartening for us fans.
Australian rugby now has to deal with another problem – Argentina. While the Pumas are expected to be the Rugby Championship cellar-dwellers for the first couple of seasons, they have something Australia doesn’t.
Argentina has a national domestic comp. Just like NZ & SA. But unlike Australia. Indeed, Argentina has two national comps – a national provincial comp & a national clubs comp. Unlike Australia, which has neither.
And with Argentina’s U/21s beating Australia’s U/21s recently, they also some some good depth coming through.
Of the 4 southern hemisphere rugby nations, guess who the odd man out is? It’s not Argentina, but Australia. Unlike Australia, & very much like NZ & SA, Argentina has a national domestic comp.
Australia needs to be careful it doesn’t get shunted back to 4th place (in southern hemisphere) because our structures fail to compare favourably to those in NZ, SA & Argentina.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:06pm
Harry said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Gee I hope the people running rugby union in Australia read this Sheek, and are you Wayne Smith per chance? Agree very strongly and passionately with everything past your rebuttal.
I suspect JON’s answer to you is his steering SUperRugby expansion to 5 Aus teams, and a home and away fixtures for them. To some extent this will work but not as effectively as the other 3 SH countries who have their domestic comps.
And a real shame we withdrew from the Pacific Nations Cup – players like Cooper Vuna,the young Brumbies – White, Tomane, Mogg, Fardy – and the Rebs promising second rowers Pyle and Neville should be playing for Australia A, they are not yet ready for the Wallabies, yet they are in the full Wallaby squad and some are starting when they are clearly not ready for test match rugby (Cooper Vuna being a prime example).
June 12th 2012 @ 12:48pm
sheek said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Thanks Harry,
SR is great, but only one-third “owned” by Aussies. I think many Aussie fans would like their “own” national comp, like NZ’s ITM Cup, SA’s Currie Cup, or the Campeonato Argentino.
We need ARC/APC, ARS & Pacific Nations all returned. But it comes back to money. Before that can happen, the leading players & coaches of the Wallabies, Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Rebels & Force Have to play the role of salesman to quickly bring fans, players, sponsors, media & through them all, revenue streams into the game.
June 12th 2012 @ 4:14pm
sittingbison said | June 12th 2012 @ 4:14pm | Report comment
No No No Harry Cooper Vuna is the attacking SUPERWEAPON that Aus desperately needs one of the best seven X-Men in the world!
June 12th 2012 @ 7:23pm
mikeylives said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:23pm | Report comment
Very funny.
June 12th 2012 @ 6:06pm
Johnno said | June 12th 2012 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
sheek some good points.
The worry especially with our youth teams performing badly too.
We need to establish a youth comp like toyota cup but it may cost a lot, and also an ARC needs to be re planned.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:24pm
kiwi said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
I think Wales were far closer to thier 100% team than Australia were (ie.- less affected by their injuries.) Excellent win for the Wallabies.
June 13th 2012 @ 11:28am
Brett McKay said | June 13th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Johnno, I’ve finally come back to your novel – I hope you get to see this at some point..
– Polota-Nau appears to have very little thought of self-preservation, and you can only but help to wonder ‘when’ it’s going to become a big problem for him. No questioning his toughness, just his approach.
– Wales do miss Jamie Roberts, yes, but Scott Williams is no slouch, and has been a very good player for Wales in the past. The big thing Wales missed on Sat night was that Priestland didn’t run at the line much, or look to use Williams and Jonathan Davies as well as he has in the past, or did in the 6Ns. By contrast, James Hook did run to the line and look to play wide against the Brumbies last night, and this in turn brought Beck and Bishop into the game.
– Cuthbert is very handy; Cuthbert, North, and Halfpenny work very well as a back three unit, too.
– I think Horwill would have made an impact, but certainly the Wallabies seemed to cope OK without O’Connor, Beale, and Elsom.
– Dry tracks suit everyone, I think you’ll find. Having played a lot under the roof in Cardiff, this would be especially true for Wales. They should enjoy Melbourne…
– Horwill was missed, I’m quite sure. Nathan Sharpe was very good, and deserves to hold his spot, but Sharpie isn’t 25 any more. And Simmons plays better when Horwill is next to him, too.
– Horwill, Pocock, and Genia are all different types of captain. Horwill is a leader by action, Pocock leads with inspiration and accountability, and Genia leads by a mixture of all of the above plus influence. The Wallabies are blessed in this regard.
– Rocky Elsom is still good enough to play for Australia, I’m sure, but I am wondering if he can find the fire to push himself to get there again. If the rumours about impending departure are to be believed, it would seem Elsom’s Wallaby career is about to go on hold again. But I’ve always had the impression Elsom moves to a different beat to the garden-variety rugby player, and I actually find his uniqueness to be quite interesting (and I realise I would be in the very small minority here).
– Dave Dennis is a very good footballer, though I do fear his versatility may ultimately do more harm than good. The Waratahs seem to want him to be their Adam Ashley-Cooper of the forwards, and this seems to be following through to the Wallabies too.
– I know you’ve been calling for Deans’ head for a while now, but sacking him after the Scotland loss would’ve made no sense at all. You couldn’t ask a new coach to come in four days before a Test, that would certainly be a plan for failure. We won’t align on the Robbie Deans issue, so I’ll just leave that there.
– Jake White HASN’T been helping out at Wallabies training at all, he’d been preparing the Brumbies for last night. He is in Wallaby camp today only, as an observer, at Deans’ invitation. White has also spent time with the Melbourne Demons AFL coaching team, and makes no secret of a desire to observe and learn from other coaches. White said last night he’ll happily offer advice where asked, but he’s just there to watch and learn. Don’t think there’s much to read into it at all, mate…
– And White is quite happy to help, for what it’s worth. He sees his role as an Australian Super Rugby coach as being ‘part of the system’, and it makes perfect sense to provide input when asked. White told me last August when I interviewed him that his job with the Brumbies is build a rugby program and produce Wallabies.
– White’s not going to be playing the role for Robbie Deans that Eddie Jones played when South Africa won the RWC in 2007. I think you’re letting your desire for what you’d like to happen take over from reality..
So thanks for leaving the comment yesterday. I appreciate you taking the time you did. Again, I’m sorry I couldn’t get to it at the time..
June 12th 2012 @ 9:03am
Brett McKay said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Hey Pots, I was just trying to make you smile, mate.. In seriousness, I thought I Ireland started quite well, and if I dare draw comparisons to Australia, periods of good build-up were often let down by the last pass or a loose carry, and so on, and the ABs would score soon after.
But O’Driscoll impressed me. Having seen most of the 6Ns this year, and seeing Ireland offer very little in attack, it was just interesting to me to see how BOD was the linchpin to most attacking raids. And then they’d turn it over, and NZ would score again…
June 12th 2012 @ 11:29am
Pot Hale said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Hey Brett. Thanks for the words.
Nothing could have cheered me up from the dismal display last weekend and this weekend ain’t looking any better with one or two props out of the reckoning. With Ireland’s shallow depth, losing O’Connell, Ferris,Bowe, Fitzgerald, and Ross from first team, it was never going to look good in first test. With Earls now out, and Healy only 50/50, Christchurch test is beginning to look horribly ominous.
June 12th 2012 @ 10:49pm
Ben S said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:49pm | Report comment
I think if Ireland get a shellacking Kidney should be removed from his position. I don’t think there’s been any tangible improvement since he took over. I’m not sure what his contract situation is, but I’d chuck Schmidt in there ASAP.
June 12th 2012 @ 6:19am
DJW said | June 12th 2012 @ 6:19am | Report comment
Suprised about the O’Driscoll mention, the only thing I remember him doing was throwing a pass to no one when Ireland were attacking, the AB’s got the ball and went down and scored a try from memory. I thought Ireland best players where OBrien there 7 and there hooker best.
I did think the AB’s half back Smith looked excellent, quick ball. The AB’s looked good and the scary thing was that was there first hit out and they will improve. Team to beat as usual.
Was happy with the Wallabies win, it was the response we required.Obviously still areas to work on. Would love to see us if we had everyone fit.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:17am
Brett McKay said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
DJW, see my post to Pots above, I thought BOD was really good. O’Brien was very strong through, and in good company too..
Agree on other points. ABs could be anything this year..
June 12th 2012 @ 6:41am
The Werewolf said | June 12th 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
I agree, I think this June touring of the NH to the SH will become as solidified and as highly anticipated in the calendar as the Europeans view their Autumn internationals ie the month of November.
Lat Saturday was just a great time to be a rugby fan.
I think it showed that the SH style of quick ball is still superior to the NH teams although they will get better as their tour’s progress.
June 12th 2012 @ 11:22am
Pot Hale said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Unless the NH season changes its duration/structure, the NH teams won’t improve appreciably in June. Or else shift the June tours to directly after the 6 Nations and make it the 6 Plus Nations in Mar/April. Super 15 could take a break after 5/6 weeks same as NH do in November, wouldn’t affect overall duration. The H Cup format is going to change in two years time anyway. NH season could finish end of June and give drier tracks to the end of season finals in cup and leagues.
June 12th 2012 @ 6:57am
Grimmace said | June 12th 2012 @ 6:57am | Report comment
Barnes was better than he has been, still falls into the trap of standing too deep. The change in AAC from is horaTah form was amazing.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:25am
Miglia said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
BRETT – always good to read your stuff. Okay if I remind you that, several weeks back, you thought England might pinch the Durban test?
I have two questions – do you think England can get up for the second test or is the thin air and the unavailablity of a very useful player like Brown, and the likelihood of Alberts constantly crunching Toby Flood too high a hurdle?
Secondly, instead of a Lions tour to one country in the future, has the idea of a combined NH playing a combined SH ever been considered?
June 12th 2012 @ 12:14pm
Brett McKay said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Hey Miglia, no need to remind me, I’m well aware of my thoughts for the first Boks-England game. That all said, England were disappointing in the end, especially the second half where they let South Africa get away. In truth, they played about as well as the ‘Boks allowed them to play, and as I mentioned, by that stage, South Africa were well into their ‘grind out’ game.
I can’t see them taking either of the next two Tests now, now. I always throught Durban was their best chance.
Re NH-SH, it gets mentioned every so often, but I don’t know if there’s been any serious discussions in the corridors of power. I like the idea of a NH-SH game taking the place of the RWC 3rd Place playoff game, personally.. (minus players from the finalists, obviously)
June 12th 2012 @ 2:25pm
Moaman said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
” (minus players from the finalists, obviously) ” Brett–wouldn’t that seriously undermine the SH team then?
June 12th 2012 @ 3:02pm
katzilla said | June 12th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
Personally I’d enjoy a further look at the best of the rest teams.
Like a plate all stars game.
June 12th 2012 @ 5:16pm
snowman said | June 12th 2012 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
In terms of NH v SH there was a charity match that did just that in 2005 following the Asian Tsunami – coached by Sir Clive and Rod McQueen. It was really a NH Barbarians v SH Barbarians – I couldn’t see such a game would ever be anything else. It would never have the history, passion or professionalism of a Lions tour – nor could it receive a test status as a Lions game does.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:32am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
man no ones mentioning the boks. i thought they had the most ominous game and are sending out the biggest warning to the world.
not only have they retained alot of players from yesteryear (and gotten rid of a lot of the playerPower that was holding them back from developing winning gameplans) they’ve added a lot of quality rookies.
they played expansively and actually used their backs. recycled and strung together decent phases. imagine last years boks this time using their backs.
i take back everything i said about meyer, his game plan was geniusly simple
spies who i’m not a fan of actually played thebest game i’ve ever seen him play. hope he brings this game to the 4N
willem was top forward. habana and fSteyn in the backs
morne funnily enough was missing kicks but ran the ball, was solid on defence and threw a dummy to score a try.
look out world boks are back. cant wait for them to play the AB’s
June 12th 2012 @ 7:43am
matthew said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
They had flashes of an ominous team but nowhere near the performance your boys put in against the Irish. Even the Wallabies really impressed against Wales. I think when Johan Goosen becomes first choice fly-half their game will really start evolving but it definitely feels good to have a genuine coach now that can influence procedings. The last two years especially under PdV have been hard for Bok fans.
June 12th 2012 @ 7:57am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
matt -blaming PDV is only half the fault. the other was the playerPower of (as far as i can tell) smit, matfield fourieDP. PDV at least tried to introduce running rugby in his 1st year then was mutineed the following. from then on in PDV was window dressing. but am glad that PDV is gone and a real coach is at the helm. just in this one game you could see how stifling and unimaginative the boks have been for the last 4 seasons.
i’ve missed the boks of old. imho they’re litmus test for the AB’s. any forward who can hold there own vs the Boks is world quality
goosen has a lot of promise but i reckon morne should be kept in the squad. morne has a lot to pass onto goosen and as mentor would be invaluable. imagine goosen and lambie with the kickng accuracy of morne?
gonna be a good 4N this year. with the boks, wallaby’s and boks playing the way they did in the weekend and adding the puma’s is just going to make it awesome
June 12th 2012 @ 7:57am
Richie McCaw said | June 12th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Just my opinion, the Boks were sold enough but I wouldn’t say they looked ominous. They can roughly get 20% better I’d say, and then they would be at their best. Having said that, the All Blacks could have beaten this improved version of the Boks in their first hit-out form most times but if the All Blacks improve up to their potential (roughly another 30%) then…well, you know what happens in this scenario, no team gets close. Other teams can only beat the All Blacks when they are playing at 75% and under and even then they would only win by a few points.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:07am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
RM – dangerous to take the boks lightly.
i’d rather believe in the NFL adage that “any team can beat any other team on any given sunday”. AB’s need to be careful of the Boks, but like you this is just my opinion.
2009 boks dominated world rugby. AB’s were playing with a fully fit squad and still got dealt to by the boks. 3 tests we lost to them that year. they blindsided us and showed some defensive frailties in our back 3 that had never been exposed before. i think aus where the only team to beat the boks that year.
all i’m saying is it would be a really good idea to sit up and take heed that this is a different boks side than we’ve seen in the last 8 seasons.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:48am
Richie McCaw said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
I never take any team lightly. 2009 was a great year for the Boks but when I look at that season I can only applaud New Zealand’s approach to playing the game and it’s sense of responsibility in trying to make sure that rugby as a code is entertaining to watch. I don’t know whether you’ve given this much thought or not but the All Blacks and New Zealand believe it is their responsibility to expand the game globally and as ambassadors for our great sport the only way to attract new fans is to capture peoples imaginations by playing an exciting, fast paced game. It was great to see the ingenuity the 2010 All Blacks had in countering the Boks traditional 10 man rugby approach, they diffused their stifling tactics whilst still playing an exciting brand of rugby that even the Gods must enjoy watching.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:59am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
very commendable RM and i agree though for less altruistic reasons. NZ as a small 4mil peopled nation cant afford not to play entertaining rugby. we compete with countries who have more people within a city than we have in our entire country.
back in the late 80′s early 90′s i was young and playing rugby and we had grantFox dominating world rugby with a precision kicking game. i was bored shtless with the AB’s and instead followed the kiwi’s and went and played league. loved it.
then a certain crhistianCullen came along and running rugby was again envogue. so i went back to rugby and have never looked back since.
AB’s have a duty to the next generation of AB’s to play with style and honour and give the next generation some thing to be proud of and aspire to.
i dont subscribe to your noble intention of looking after world rugby. thats their problems and maybe they’ll do something different that NZ hasnt thought of. to me the AB’s have a duty to the next generation as well as upholding the history and pride of the generations before them
June 12th 2012 @ 9:14am
Richie McCaw said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Good point. I agree “AB’s have a duty to the next generation of AB’s to play with style and honour and give the next generation some thing to be proud of and aspire to”.
Hahaha, my thoughts on expanding the game aren’t as noble as it might appear. I want us to help strengthen the world game because I believe the All Blacks can enhance their legacy further by creating and defeating stronger opponents whilst our rivals will more likely lose more often if stronger nations exist. I feel this is why Graham Henry is trying to help Argentina at the moment, he’s confident that we can still beat them even if they were stronger but he might suspect (Australia in particular) the other rugby championship teams might drop a game or two.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:43am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
lol RM then we on the same page. i enjoy our wins but i enjoy even more our come backs. 2010 where we ruthlessly dealt to the boks for embarrassing us in 2009 is still one of my favourite test seasons.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:30pm
Moaman said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
” i dont subscribe to your noble intention of looking after world rugby. ” I don’t either,mania. If they were bothered overly,they would play some games in the islands for a start.Apia and Nuku’alofa would love a visit.
June 13th 2012 @ 5:15am
mania said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:15am | Report comment
agree moaman. seems the pacific islands have been forgotten.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:05am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
RM – also the hiding we got given by the boks has totally changed the type of wings we have now. back 3 has to be absolutely safe under high ball. this tactic that we were supposed to use vs the boks in the WC worked wonders against the wallaby’s where jane difused bombs all day and counter attacked with interest. savea is the new proto type for wings. big strong fast but rock solid under high ball.
i reckon boks will be giving us some valuable lessons this season
June 12th 2012 @ 9:12am
Loftus said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Wow, let’s all hail the mighty All Blacks and go on our knees and thank them for saving rugby union! We are soo privilaged to play on the same field as these super human creatures from a different planet. Everyone together now, hail the mighty All Blacks and sir Richie!
June 12th 2012 @ 10:41am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
loftus – why u mad at kiwi’s? it was aus that knocked boks out of the semi’s
ps a simple curtsey will do
June 12th 2012 @ 10:49am
Richie McCaw said | June 12th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
June 12th 2012 @ 11:16am
Riccardo said | June 12th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Not happy with the lacklustre win from your team in the weekend Loftus?
When you get Goosen into the team and Meyer and the team are settled, the Boks will be devastating mate.
Patience Loftus…
June 12th 2012 @ 2:08pm
Jerry said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
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June 12th 2012 @ 8:53am
Kane said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Mania
Lions beat them 28-9
Australia beat them 21-6
France beat them 20-13
Ireland beat them 15-10
June 12th 2012 @ 9:02am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
thanx kane – but they handed the AB’s their a55es on a platter. yes remembered aus beating them
June 12th 2012 @ 9:04am
Kane said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Yes I agree, the All Blacks just couldn’t seem to figure out how to beat them. I myself was surprised to find out that SA dropped as many games as they had that year
June 12th 2012 @ 9:11am
justsaying said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Probably fair to acknowledge that the ABs played 2 of the tests against SA without Dan Carter, and Ali Williams was missing for all 3 (replaced by Isaac Ross – remember him?). That said, SA totally had the ABs’ measure in 2009, and it showed in the 3rd match when DC came back…
June 12th 2012 @ 9:18am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
i thought is was more the fact that sitiveni and rokococo were dropping bombs so morne and FDP were mercilessly kciking more to them.
but u probably have a point JS, carter would’ve dropped back and taken some of those bombs
June 12th 2012 @ 9:23am
justsaying said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
My comment was just to the effect that it wasn’t a totally full-strength ABs team. However, the fact that SA still won after DC came back for the third game, which was played in NZ to boot, shows that this wasn’t really an excuse. I agree that our weakness under the high ball was exploited with devastating effect.
June 12th 2012 @ 2:14pm
Jerry said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Though to be fair, it wasn’t a totally full strength Bok side that got dominated by the AB’s in 2010. FDP was out for the season for a start.
June 13th 2012 @ 5:11am
mania said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:11am | Report comment
jerry – agree FDP was out injured when he was at the peek of his career. however when he came back the tactic of kicking to the AB wingers and hoping for a knock on, no longer worked as the back 3 were expert bomb disposers. also i think FDP’s form dropped a little bit
June 12th 2012 @ 1:49pm
stillmatic1 said | June 12th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
im pretty sure carter was injured in the first 2 losses that year, mania.
June 13th 2012 @ 5:07am
mania said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:07am | Report comment
stillmatic – i didnt say he wasnt. carter did turn up for the 3rd test tho and we still lost. albeit it was a lot closer than the 1st 2 losses.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:32pm
kiwi said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:32pm | Report comment
Anyone else think it ironic that Steyn missed kicks, but scred a try?
June 12th 2012 @ 12:38pm
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
i said that earlier as well kiwi – tho i said something like ironic that morne was playing like a running 1st 5 but missing his kicks.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:08am
Damo said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Pothale you are being a bit harsh on your boys.
Ireland looked very strong at the start of the game and looked to have AB’s under pressure.
But the AB’s held the line and fired back clinically.
To be honest it’s hard to see who would have beaten that AB team with it’s full contingent
June 12th 2012 @ 8:31am
M.O.C. said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
I learnt that the Wallabies and the Welsh are too unsure of themselves to consider running the ball as the first option and instead both teams insisted on the tactic of automatic aimless kicking. I was very disappointed by both teams inability to hold the ball and attempt to attack wider than the inside centre. Pat McCabe needs to learn how to pass and the welsh halfback who was talked up prior to the game was slow both ball in hand and in passing much to the detrimental of his team. Fortunately for the Wallabies, Digby Ioane has the work ethic to search for the ball infield as it was never going to organically find its way to the wings – he also can not pass so why not make him the new IC instead of McCabe, at least he is an exciting runner!. I found myself yelling at the TV for someone to run it – please, anyone!!!
June 12th 2012 @ 8:38am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
M.O.C.- agree ioane should move the centre but nt just yet. needs to learn to tackle and at this stage he still has his speed and acceleration so belongs out in the wings. with his work ethic its not as if he’s just going to sit out there and waste away. as soon as his pace starts to wane tho he should think about moving in closer
June 12th 2012 @ 9:12am
M.O.C. said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Spends a fair bit of time tackling for QC when he is playing…Speed and acceleration is great for a winger but not is the ball never gets there on the end of slick hands. I think that Ioane would be absolutely magic outside someone like Conrad Smith but is currently being short-changed by poor inside men – passing apparently does not even factor in to McCabe’s mindset and we all saw how selfish Horne is with ball in hand – sure try slaughtered due to greed.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:40am
mania said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
agree fully MOC but thats not ioane’s fault his backline have glue for hands and i reckon with his work ethic and speed he’s better given a roving commision on the wing. ioane has balls and a hunger to be involved. he can do that more so from the wing where you only have to be positional on defence.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:56am
M.O.C. said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Fair point re. Ioane – it just annoys me watching dysfunctional backlines!. There is nothing more elegant in sport than watching a simple, well-timed, flowing backline play with a fast-finishing, hard-running winger on the end of it. The current players and coaching (not just Australia) seem to have forgotten how effective drawing and passing is and how an attacking player should always beat a defender one on one. Sadly for world rugby and rugby fans there is only one team apparently capable of this type of simple play.
June 12th 2012 @ 9:33am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
I think you are all being a bit harsh on McCabe’s passing from this game anyway. Yes he is not a natural I/C in the traditional mold, but on Saturday night just about every time he got the ball, the Welsh staggered defense was up an in their face and he had no option but to straighten the attack or risk an intercept. Totally agree with the butchered try however.
June 12th 2012 @ 8:59am
sheek said | June 12th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Good morning Brett,
Roarers know I can be a tough marker on Australian rugby, so they’ll be pleased to know I enjoyed both games involving Australians on the weekend – the Wallabies against Wales & the Sydney vs NSW Country clash.
Both matches are what I now refer to as “compelling” matches. The players “had a crack”, played with intensity & enterprise, if not always quality, & did much to advance rugby union as a spectacle worth watching.
The front marker is always the All Blacks, who very rarely play a bad or poor game.
However, I offer two observations.
1. Wallabies vs Wales. It was a mighty win, but to use an old expression, “one swallow doesn’t make a summer”. The Wallabies have shown us ONCE this season what they can do when they want to, now let’s see them repeat it some 9-10 more times this year!
2. City vs Country. Another old adage is, “no sign, no sale”. Where was the advertisement for this game? I didn’t see it in the papers. Where was the full page stats on both teams, to help us familiarise with the players? Only 600-odd people bothered to show up at Concord Oval for this historically significant match.
Another general observation is this – rugby league gets a free run in this country because rugby union is usually finding both novel, & not so novel ways, to commit hari-kari. I truly believe rugby union is a superior game to rugby league when both are played at their best. Unfortunately, rugby union is far too often shown in a poorer light than rugby league.
As I’ve been saying often recently, for Australian rugby to take off quickly in Australia, the players & coaches who make up the Wallabies, Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Rebels & Force are going to have to play their role.
I say “quickly” because the ARU is ‘broke’ compared to AFL & NRL, & we need to attract fans & players into our game as soon as possible, & in numbers. The players & coaches of our leading entities are the key here.
By coaching & playing a more compelling brand of rugby more often.
Thank you & good night……….!
June 12th 2012 @ 9:34am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
I only knew about the Sydney/Cockatoos game because there was an ad in the Daily Telegraph.
June 12th 2012 @ 12:20pm
Brett McKay said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
Sheek, all very valid points, thanks once again. On your two points, just quickly:
1. Yes, you’re right, and “one swallow doesn’t make a summer” was precisely the motivation for the The Wallabies have now played up to their no.2 world ranking, so what does that mean for this Saturday night in Melbourne? lesson above, and
2. Good question, in fact, there wasn’t even much aside from the teams as named in any of the NSWRU relases I saw on the game late last week. Good game, appalling crowd…
June 12th 2012 @ 9:05am
Farthing said | June 12th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Why won’t TPN put on some head gear?
June 12th 2012 @ 12:22pm
Brett McKay said | June 12th 2012 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
..even if just to protect others, Farthing…
June 12th 2012 @ 2:21pm
Jerry said | June 12th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Cause it doesn’t really do anything but protect your ears.