CAMPO: All Blacks thrill, while the rest fail to impress
By David Campese, 13 Jun 2012 David Campese is a Roar Expert
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Test season is here and I was very impressed with the performance and style of the All Blacks on the weekend. I’m amazed they have that level of confidence, composure and teamwork so early in the season.
Ireland are a good team with some world class players, but they were made to look ordinary and years behind the All Blacks.
The All Blacks have always managed to find big, young wingers, and now another big young winger, Julian Savea, is on the scene.
He is still very raw and yet he scored three tries on debut. It was all made very easy by the support of the players around him, who gave him plenty space to move – something that a lot of teams fail to do at this level.
The All Blacks are the World Champions, so everyone is after them.
They’re clearly rebuilding and looking for a sprinkle of younger players to lead the path towards the next RWC. That is their focus.
Where is the focus for the Wallabies when we are faced with the alarming obstacle of only having a coach until 2013?
Can someone tell me who is going to confidently take on a coaching job of this magnitude two years before a RWC?
Steve Hansen realizes they have to keep to going forward and they made an outstanding start to their campaign.
The All Blacks looked the part, with great skills and team work which they have worked hard at in the Super Rugby competition.
And it is showing now.
A lot has been said already about the Wallabies in their loss to Scotland. You must always adapt to the conditions. Needless to say, they were very disappointing.
They had a lot of opportunities to score but the vision and skills to do that was very poor. Again, if you have confidence and team work (like the All Blacks), then you can adapt to anything.
Where are the skills and combinations?
Sometimes you’ve got to throw caution to the wind and back yourself. Part of the blame for this must be pointed at the coaches for not giving the players the skills to try things.
I think that Barnes under pressure is better at 12. He keeps kicking the ball away time and time again (I was dropped once for kicking too much).
We need to find out what style of rugby the Wallabies are going to play: run and attack, or league with two centres who can’t pass to the wings.
Ioane is a great finisher, but he doesn’t get the ball out wide where he can cause a headache for the opposition. He can run, but he needs a centre who can give him room to move, putting more pressure on the oppositions defence.
So what is your plan Mr Deans: play the running game or like last year’s RWC, play league style, hit it up, and hope for a penalty?
Now Jake White has been called in to help Deans prepare the team. Interesting.
Also, what is happening off the field with the Wallabies? More great press as ‘star’ players have been caught causing trouble while in camp. Has Deans got control of the younger players, both on and off the field?
And the best they can do is say we are ‘looking into it’. What happened to consequences, respect for the Green and Gold, and the honour of behaving like a Wallaby on and off the field.
I shudder to think that these are the role models of many youngsters out there.
The Wallabies played better against Wales, who are very tough team. But still, a lot of skills and combination work needs to be done.
The Welsh came out with high expectations and it took them a while to get into the game. But they simply made too many mistakes and need to stay composed.
They were a bit stale and tired after what has been a long, hard European season. If they want to win against the Wallabies, they have to play for the full 80 minutes and do the basics right.
The Wallabies need to play more like a team and move the ball around to the wingers. Just as the All Blacks showed in their display against Ireland.
In the other big game over the weekend, the Springboks had a tough first-up match against England.
It is always very difficult playing at home for the first Test with a new coach and style in this rugby-obsessed country.
There are high expectations here, especially with last year’s RWC still on the fans’ minds.
England didn’t offer a lot. They are still struggling with the basics such as understanding and skills.
I was at the match and I couldn’t believe how the game was so predictable. It was just a ‘bash up’: big guys running straight at each other. No one is actually seeing the holes and running into them.
It’s a real mess of a specatcle these days: bash, bash, bash, kick.
People rave about how strong and talented the players of today are, but we want to see the flair, see how good these guys are one on one.
Of those teams on display over the weekend, only one of them even came close
Which team spends more time on attack than defense? Your call on that.
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June 13th 2012 @ 3:05am
Johnno said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:05am | Report comment
Campo good article as always.
-Some of your article facts . You say who is going to take on the job without fear and with confidence.
-We have a coach ready to go now a world cup winning coach in Jake White in Australia at brumes.
-Me included and many others did not realise i think just how good Jake white is, is it coz we have become sanaztized by just Deans and Link that we as aussie rugby fans have failed to see the outside world of our little rugby zone in OZ and the tri nations, and super 15 rugby world , maybe.
- But i tell you what the HEK cup this year the final was great, and Jake White has really freshened up aussie rugby with new ideas the same way Robbie Deans did when he just beat Alan Jones for the job in 2007. Funny thing is i still think Alan Jones he sounds so fresh on radio and still doe slots of speaking in public he is 70 now i still think he would be fresh and could do the wallaby job if he wanted it.
–But Jake White has been helping Robbie Deans during the wales test and scotland matches as a unofficial assistant at training, strange Deans would allow that, as steve kearney wouldn’t.
-Is Jake White the reason for the loss but also the win vs wales on weekend who knows, but we have a top head coach ready in Jake white, for the british lions and world cup in 2015 a man with true international flavour and knowledge or europe rugby.
-And our under 20 world cup has been a debacle , i have just watched us be physically man handled and smashed by the France under 20- team much bigger than us. And now which is good quite a few Polyniesian players in the French team, i think they were from Wallis and Futanta, new caledonia, or French Polynesia Tahitti.
-So we have a coach ready to go, are the All Blacks so far ahead well i think the 2nd test when Irleand settle in to NZ more will be a better indicator, just as wales will vs us, and England in South Africa.
-But in settling in for the NH teams, we the SH teams will also be stronger after a week of developing combinations and settling into the test match circuit groove mojo.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:42am
Lindommer said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Alan Jones at the Wallabies? Please God, no. Yesterday’s man.
June 13th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Alan Jones at the Wallabies? Please, YES! The everlasting man!
June 13th 2012 @ 2:41pm
Dan said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:41pm | Report comment
Alan Jones in the Wallabies top job? Why? Do we really need the Wallabies to lose ALL their games?
Jones is the most over-hyped and glorified coach in sporting history… people talk about him as if he were a Wayne Bennett, or Jack Gibson or a Rod Macqueen. The guy won a grand slam and a Bledisloe Cup and then lost the world cup but people carry on like he’s the jesus christ of Australian rugby. I’m not sure what leads to this utterly delusional outlook – perhaps people who listen to his bile-spewing radio program are buying a special brand of cool-aid his show advertises – but it is a faith that is utterly divorced from reality.
It’s worth remembering that Jones coached in a MUCH less taxing and competitive environment; one in which he tried to force a professional training regime in an amateur era (an obvious way to gain an edge) and in which the test schedule was barely a fraction of what it is today. Also worth noting is that back then players took care of themselves an awful lot too. It’s now well known that Jone’s pig-headed approach to his players led them to conducting tactical meetings without him in the 86 BC series. So apart from selections, how much credit does he deserve for the wins he actually achieved?
June 13th 2012 @ 6:28pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 13th 2012 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
Jones deserves a ridiculous amount of credit.
Before Jones the Wallabies didn’t play with much shape. Jones had the entire game mapped out. The long kick-off would force the other side to kick, which they did. Jones wanted the line-out to be supreme so he converted Cutler into an awesome player.
He was great at analyzing teams, like when he told Campese to exploit Eddie Butler before the Wales game, and did! It’s well known he knew more about the opposition than any coach before him.
Poidevin, Gould, Slack, Pilecki, etc all day he was the best coach they ever had. I got the same sense with Lynagh, although he never said it.
No I don’t want to post anymore, I want to talk about the 100 reasons why Alan Jones should be in the Hall of Fame in another post.
Without Jones Australia would not have won the Grand Slam.
June 13th 2012 @ 6:34pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 13th 2012 @ 6:34pm | Report comment
I also take exception to you comparing Jones to Bennett, Gibson and Macqueen. Jones is greater than those blokes.
June 13th 2012 @ 6:40pm
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 13th 2012 @ 6:40pm | Report comment
Can you imagine Jones coaching a backline with Gregan, Larkham, Horan, Herbert, Tune, Roff, and Burke…
He’d let them loose! Instead of taking a controlled 23-3 win, those Wallabies would have destroyed Ireland under Jones.
June 13th 2012 @ 7:53pm
Dan said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:53pm | Report comment
Let’s not go to this level of vitriol. Thanks, Roar Mods.
June 13th 2012 @ 8:10pm
Dan said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:10pm | Report comment
Frank, if you honestly believe that Jones is a better coach than Gibson, Bennett or Macqueen, then you’ve drunk far too deeply of the cool-aid for there to be any saving you…
Consider this: Bennett coached the Brisbane Broncos, the Maroons, Australia and most recently St George ALL to glory through long and torrid schedules (he coached the maroons and brisbane simultaneously). What is Jones’ brief tenure at the wallabies compared to such a long and consistent record of glory? The true test of greatness is consistency over the long term, and by this measure Bennett truly deserves the respect of all – he has succeeded at all levels a number of times (hell, he even consulted for the Kiwis to help them defeat Australia in Rugby League!!! THAT is no mean feat).
Now, compared to all that Jones is a flash in the pan and nothing more; a man who had a brief success with a team through some admittedly clever recruitments in the forwards and an already gifted back line.
But what of his experience after the Wallabies? Jones did go into league after all to put his “genius” to use there. How did that work out exactly? I’ll tell you – the man was an utter and complete FAILURE. In 1990, he switched was appointed coach of the Balmain Tigers rugby league football club, but resigned in July 1993 with these results: 1991 – 8 wins, 12th place; 1992 – 10 wins, 10th place; 1993 – five wins, 12th place. The next month he was appointed Director of Football for the South Sydney Rabbitohs rugby league football club, but his results didn’t get any better…
So please, explain to me how Jones – with his record of a brief flurry of wins and then abject failure – is a better coach than Wayne Bennett who has succeeded virtually everywhere, and then we can get on to an argument for why he’d be of any use to the wallabies now.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:06am
Onor said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:06am | Report comment
I was at eden park to watch the allblacks.. and I’m glad it just wasn’t bash it up all night long..
although the irish could have learnt something here.
They kept going wide far too early. Usually the AB’s wont commit too many
players to the breakdown to allow the opposition to get an overlap. But im glad
the irish gave it a go. I think the second test they will be more competitive.
June 13th 2012 @ 6:00am
murph said | June 13th 2012 @ 6:00am | Report comment
McCabe can’t pass and Horne (and AAC) won’t pass so that’s your strategy. Ioane will have to come looking for work and Vuna will just get pneumonia
June 13th 2012 @ 7:21am
kingplaymaker said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
That New Zealand performance was too good for Ireland but weak in terms of backline attacking quality. SBW is now told to shut down his X-factor by the coaches who apparently have no idea how to use him, Smith looks good on the flat track but won’t beat down tougher opposition, Guildford can’t even make an impact in a rout. Savea looked good not because he scored those tries but because of his superb break in the first half, Dagg pretty good though one has to wonder if Taylor might not be even better. The pack did well though not quite as well as with Kaino/Thorn. All in all, there is much there to encourage the Wallabies and this year the Bleisloe Cup will be more closely contested than at any time in many years.
The Scotland test was simply a case of bad scheduling: half the first team unavailable because they had to play a match on saturday, many exhausted three days after Super rugby, only one training session. A terrible undermining of their own team by the ARU. Something more like the real Wallabies was on show on saturday, but still with many players exhausted from tuesday and the saturday before, only one training session in the week and a mass of top players injured (Beale, JOC, Cooper, Leiifano, Tomane, Mitchell, Turner).
There are still bad problems that prevent the Wallabies playing their attacking game. Mccabe is earnest and useful at 12 but no attacking magician, Horne anonymous. But who would be better than these two? You could move JOC to 12 but he is too light and would be steamrolled by SBW/Roberts etc…maybe he would be ok at 13. You could move Tomane to 12 or 13. There are young Sautia, Rapana, Seuteni. But really at the moment there’s no one ready without a big positional switch and so the Wallabies are left with low quality attacking players ruining the midfield and the whole attack.
Getting 7 X-factor backs out there is still very much a work in progress.
June 13th 2012 @ 7:47am
Tumble Hill said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Hey KPM which Smith are you talking about? Conrad or Aaron? With regards to Taylor being better than Dagg – I dont think so. Dagg showed everyone in that test that he is a far better ball player than Taylor is. Yes Taylor might be a better broken field runner but does not have the skills Dagg showed as a 1st reciever to set up Saveas try. Daggs boot is HUGE aswell, great for when were in our 22.
People need to stop comparing the pack to when we had Kaino and Thorn. Thorn wont be back in a AB’s jeresy and Kaino not for at least a season anyway. The Young guns will just have to step up and make the pack just as formidable as it was. Vito is a sad loss for us though as he did look pretty good in the 1st test.
June 13th 2012 @ 7:52am
kingplaymaker said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
Tumble I think both Taylor and Dagg should be playing, one in place of the number 14 from last week. I was referring to the first Smith you mentioned. The reason the loss of Kaino and Thorn is important is because it narrows the gap between the All Blacks and chasing packs.
June 13th 2012 @ 8:11am
Tumble Hill said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
The thing is with Conrad Smith is that he is proven against the tougher opposition. He is hugely important to the All Blacks and the team knows it. He is a great Captain of the backline and without him I dont believe the All Blacks would be as strong as they are.
I think the Number 14 jersey should go to Gear until Cory Jane is fit without a doubt. Even with Taylor’s ability, a back three of Dagg, Jane and Savea in the 4N is key. Although Kahui would probably disagree with me…
June 13th 2012 @ 9:12am
Jerry said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Gear and Savea are too similar IMO. With both of them there, the back 3 would be a bit suspect with kick receiving/returning. Guildford isn’t really a threat with ball in hand, but he’s seen as a safe pair of hands at the back in the absence of Jane or Kahui who fill that role (but who are more threatening on attack). Taylor could be an option too, but they might be wary of two rookies in the back 3.
And I agree completely with Tumble Hill on the Taylor vs Dagg debate. Savea doesn’t get either of his second two tries with Taylor there – he’s a great runner, but hasn’t shown anywhere near the ball skills or passing ability of Dagg.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:23am
Tumble Hill said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
I agree Jerry, Gear and Savea are very similar but why not have the 2 giants reeking havoc against a smaller Ireland. Although it looks like Guildford has held on to his starting spot – I wonder if the play is going to run his way this week? It will be different when they come up against Aus and SA where they will have to play a 14 who is very solid under the high ball and a great kick returner ie Jane. I dont see Taylor as a winger more an out and out fullback like Cullen was. Bringing him into the wing dosnt suit his game.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:27am
justsaying said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
We’ve certainly seen enough of Guildford. He’s had plenty of chances to deliver at the top level and hasn’t really taken them. Taylor would probably be a more forward-looking selection but that isn’t going to happen so I think Ben Smith should be given a chance at 14 as his play is quite similar to Jane’s.
Taylor has really only started playing fullback this year – most of his work for Manawatu and Taranaki has been on the wing…
June 13th 2012 @ 8:25am
M.O.C. said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Wow KPM – weak in terms of backline attacking ability. You are a very hard man to please it would seem!.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:26am
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
I find it a complete struggle to understand your point of views when commenting on the All Blacks. Maybe I need to watch those games another 10 times but I suspect I’ll still be in the dark. I hardly see how the All Blacks back-line had weak attacking quality. Because of Conrad Smiths skill-set SBW has his role doing exactly what he did, that’s not to say he won’t add a little bit here and there but he has to do his job in relation to others first. Maybe if Nonu was second-five and SBW was centre you would get what your after, SBW will become the link to the out-side and take advantage of his supreme off-loading skill-set whilst Nonu would be the battering ram. Our coaches do see that as a legitimate pairing so you might see it at some stage this year. The thing is KPM if you want your team to succeed more often that not you have to have a collective game plan. The All Blacks have one, the Springboks know what they want to do, Argentina play a traditional game that suits them but the Wallabies still seem to be in two minds. This years Rugby Championship will be extremely enthralling, can hardly wait.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:31am
Vincent said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
I stopped reading this after the first sentence, is KPMs sole purpose here to talk down the ABs? Funny how his opinion differs from Campos, Jake White, Gert Smal and numerous other rugby experts about the 1st ABs v Ireland test, they can’t all be wrong.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:47am
Sam Taulelei said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
KPM
Not sure if you were able to watch the Australia v France match at the U20 world cup this morning. Sautia had a terrible match defensively, tackling too upright and just reaching out with his arms and not coming forward at all. To your eye and Tim Horan’s he may have X factor qualities but there are still big flaws in his game that would be horribly exposed at the top level.
Give him the time to develop, no need to rush him.
June 13th 2012 @ 10:29am
sittingbison said | June 13th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Sam I and others have been trying to temper KPMs enthusiasm for young talented but untried players. F’Sautia has not played a single game of senior rugby, and only a few minutes of S15. He is still a boy. Sure he might be more physically developed than other school boys, but compared to men? Mick Malthouse used to say the same thing, that bodies became considerably harder and denser with training and matchplay in early 20s compared to very strong youths.
But the real issue is as you say an understanding of nuance that young nexperienced players just don’t have, running position in tackles, reading the game, tackling techniques. As you said, give him some time to develop. KPM wants him in now, but let him develop at least another year perhaps two and everyone will be much better off. If he bangs down the door in the meantime then great give him a shot, but ATM he has done precisely nothing to warrant a shot other than a reputations as a schoolboy
June 13th 2012 @ 10:58am
kingplaymaker said | June 13th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Sam and bison there’s is a need to rush players. Australia, unlike New Zealand, have the Lions series next year. Not only next year, but at the start of next year before any other test matches are played. The Lions series is effectively three finals. This means any player who might play next year MUST play international rugby this year. So that’s why it’s an unusual situation.
Otherwise I would say take all the time you want before bringing in young talent.
Remember though, Genia had played 3 Super matches and JOC one half when they were called up to Australia and look how successful they were. If Deans believes Sautia, Rapana and Seuteni have the same level of talent he should call them up this year and gradually and carefully introduce them, off the bench, against weaker opposition, and so on. Not obviously as starters or in the big matches. Australia’s centres are atrocious now and talent is desperately needed before the Lions.
June 13th 2012 @ 11:26am
ihatekali said | June 13th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Can you please stop mentioning Rapana? He is horrible, he was a stop-gap filler at the Reds, what would make you think he is of international standard?
June 13th 2012 @ 11:45am
kingplaymaker said | June 13th 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
ihatekali you’re thinking of the journeyman Joel Rapana, his older brother, not the ex-NRL teenage sensation Jordan Rapana.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:18pm
jeznez said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
KPM – the Lions are next year. Lets just pick the guys we think have the best chance to help us win this series against Wales and then compete well in the Rugby Championship later in the year.
I’m not interested in throwing these two series away by blooding young guys in the hope that we can compete in a series next year.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:24pm
kingplaymaker said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
jeznez I agree with you in general and think that Australia should put out its strongest team against the best opposition, but against others this is the last chance to blood new players for the Lions.
Remember after this year there is not a single test before the Lions, not one. That means any players who might play then simply have to be brought in this year. As Wales, Argentina, Maybe South Africa and the EOYT sides will be weaker then two or three introductions I think are necessary.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:03pm
Kane said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Maybe John O’Neill could organise a game against Scotland the night before?
June 13th 2012 @ 2:39pm
sittingbison said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
KPM there is 12 months to go before the Lions, that 12 months will alter F’Sautias physique considerably, and increase his knowledge of the game. Blood him when he is ready, even debut against the Lions.
Judas came off the bench against….ITALY after playing three full games plus a half for the Force. He also played a season of Australian 7s. Despite performing admirably on debut e was not ready physically or gameswise to play Wobblies, it was a bit of a rush job as he was also eligible for the ABs and Boks. With all the best wished in the world he really struggled against class opposition (Jane) and was found wanting. Deans persevered with him so he has become the player he is today, but in reality he should have started another year later after a full season at Force.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:02pm
peterlala said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:02pm | Report comment
KPM, despite how badly the All Blacks were coached, how limited Sonny Bill Williams was, how hopeless Zac Guildford is, how one-dimensional Conrad Smith is and how encouraged the Wallabies will be by the by the whole sorry performance, New Zealand somehow managed to beat Ireland by 30 points.
It must have been the ref…just like in the world cup.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:17pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
It is an interesting lens that KPM chooses to view rugby in. I’ll say this much…I’ve enjoyed my time trying to wrap my head around some of his perspectives that’s for sure.
June 13th 2012 @ 7:27am
Tui said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:27am | Report comment
I would get down to the Tab then KPM because you ought to win big with your view! The AB’s backline was weak?
June 13th 2012 @ 7:39am
matthew said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
Campo, there isn’t only one style of rugby that draws the fans in and that every other team must aspire to. The diversity of the different teams and tactics is a major strength of our game; I’d much rather have it this way than all the teams playing similarly. I find tight, physical dog fights intensely gripping even if my favored nation isn’t involved provided there is a decent degree of execution. Seeing the clash of differing styles and tactics keeps rugby variable and interesting.
June 13th 2012 @ 8:26am
stillmissit said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Campo – you say what many of us older guys are thinking, especially those who remember the teams you played in and your efforts particularly.
We are playing the game too slowly with too little reliance on all 15 players. It seems almost as if we are educating our youngsters at schools around the country to play in a league way, as if there was anything apart from defence in league for union. The end results are a whole era of youngsters who play one off up the middle whilst the rest watch. We only use the wings when all else fails or they come in looking for the ball like Ioane. The worst part is we do not support the ball runner in numbers. This way of playing union is on show in Australia at all levels of the game. Compound this with little interest in set piece or breakdown work and you have the big problem Australian rugby faces.
We do not teach our players fast passing with quick hands, Passing to the man on a flat attack slows the attacking player down as the passes often have to be ‘collected’ or worse. This shows a concentration on not losing the ball to a rush defence rather than attacking with the ball. I would love to see us using both the flat line and the deep line attack at speed from fast turnovers.
June 13th 2012 @ 10:45am
Bushytop said | June 13th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Maybe its because I’m used to watching Mike Phillips take an ETERNITY to release the ball from the breakdown but I thought the aussies speed in all areas (thought, breakdown release etc) was great.
Also while Genia was supreme at the weekend and fully deserved MOTM, just wanted to say AAC was excellent… being a regular Roar reader (& Green & Gold) I was expecting him to be a weak link but he was anything but.
All in all, I was disappointed with a lot of Wales’ performance but thought the injury stricken Aussies were a pleasure to watch and I hope they bring that form to the rugby championship as nobody outside of NZ wants to see the blacks walk it.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:26am
Joshy said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Yeah Campo, players run straight too often these days. They should pin their ears back, run diagonally and ignore all supporting players.
June 13th 2012 @ 7:07pm
Bigdoggy said | June 13th 2012 @ 7:07pm | Report comment
And not tackle.
June 13th 2012 @ 9:48am
sheek said | June 13th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Campo,
I seriously think it’s a myth that Australia is a country wedded to running rugby.
We draw on isolated examples, such as the 1927/28 Waratahs, or the Ella-O’Connor era of 1980-84, or the almost single-handed efforts of the Campese era 1982-95 (sorry, but you were over the hill by 1996!!!), & then pretend that we’ve always played running rugby.
We go on about how Wallaby backs threw the ball around back in the 40s, 50s & 60s. It’s a myth, a fairy tale. Oh sure, we tossed the ball around alright. But not because we believed in running rugby. We did so because we didn’t have the forward power to draw parity. Tossing the ball about was done out of desperation, not conviction. Or construction.
Pfffhw! I recall you were roundly criticised for condemning the conservative style of the world cup winning 1999 Wallabies. I remember you asking that when the Wallabies have a backline of Burke, Tune, Herbert/Little, Horan, Roff, Larkham & Gregan, & doesn’t use it, then when on earth might they ever use it?
You were crudely criticised as a loose cannon by the entire coaching & playing staff of the Wallabies. But you were right to ask the question.
Whatever dynamic style the Wallabies achieved in 1980-84 was blown out of the water by the even more dynamic ABs of 1987-90. Whatever the dynamic Wallabies of 1991-94 achieved was then blown out of the water by the even more dynamic ABs of 1995-97.
And now, however dynamic the Wallabies of 1998-2002 were, their achievements have been blown away by an even more dynamic ABs that haven’t really stopped since 2003, but have gone on getting better & better.
The truth is this, & it hurts, Australians talk about running rugby, or enterprising rugby, or ensemble rugby, much more than they ever do it. The country that really is home to total rugby, is New Zealand. We Aussies (apart from a few exceptions here & there) are merely pretenders.
And yet we desperately cling to outdated & inefficient domestic structures that have only worked as the exception rather than the rule. Frankly, we deserve our often turgid rugby mediocrity…..
June 13th 2012 @ 10:22am
Rusty said | June 13th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
never a truer word said Sheek.
June 13th 2012 @ 10:51am
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Agreed.
June 13th 2012 @ 11:00am
Riccardo said | June 13th 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Sheek,
Your ommision of the 2007 debacle at Cardiff is appreciated. You’re a gentleman and a scholar.
However, your assertion that the Wallabies’ greatest success has not necessarily come from a dynamic running game combined with flair and great hands is not necessarily correct IMO.
My opinion as a Kiwi would be that it’s the only time Wallaby rugby is really successful and is usually coupled with some limited outstanding forward play. Eales, Smith, Pocock etc. I agree the pack, specifically the tight 5, struggles for parity most of the time but rather than the desperate “hot-potatoe” tossing in the face of adversity that you refer to, the Wallabies have traditionally looked to the backline to produce.
And boy, have they. Strong midfielders (Mortlock, Horan, Roff), slick halves (Genia, Gregan, Farr-Jones, Bernie, Ella, Lynagh) and quick wings (Tune, Rath, Digby) and brilliant full backs (Campesi, Gould, Burke).
Combine this with the confident Australian mentality and their success becomes demanding.
Imagine how much better the Wallabies could be with a fully fit complement operating behind a pack that is not the teams’ achilles heel.
June 13th 2012 @ 11:37am
Rugby Diehard said | June 13th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
I agree Riccardo.
And I think at the moment we are missing a 10 who can create like the ones you mention. When we have produced outstanding performances outside the periods that Sheek mentions we have still done so in the style that the our aforementioned teams and players did. Our good 10s IMO have been guys who distributed slickly, doing with their hands what Quade often tries to do with footwork and then backing up. I think off-loads in the backline can often be too highly regarded with slick hands and backing up being just as valuable, but i don’t share the thought in any way shape or form that Rugby skills are in any way lesser now than what they were.
June 13th 2012 @ 11:42am
Rugby Diehard said | June 13th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
BUT I am a Quade fan and think he can do the job for us in another way if he can realise underplaying his hand is his key to success!!
June 13th 2012 @ 1:19pm
Riccardo said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
I was with you Rugby Diehard, I really was…
Until that last Quade post.
He is an able Super Rugby pivot but is regularly found out at the next level.
He also feels he’s bigger than the team which is a problem for me, and should be a problem for him if he wants to fulfil his potential.
Of course, there’s the added issue that he’s afraid of contact, unless the receiver is prostrate…
June 13th 2012 @ 1:47pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
Riccardo – re Quade, my fear is that you are right and clearly at international level he has been fouind out, but I will live in hope that he will prove us all wrong….until another Ella/Lynagh/Larkham comes along
June 13th 2012 @ 5:37pm
mikeylives said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
He had a shocker in the RWC – No doubt. I have cut him some slack though for re-signing for 3 years with the reds.
However, leading up to the world cup, we couldn’t beat NZ without him – so to say he is not up to test standard is not entirely true. I suspect he will bounce back and become an invaluable pivot again.
June 13th 2012 @ 5:37pm
Kuruki said | June 13th 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
I agree with this 100%. SBW is a perfect example of what improvements a player can make by simplifying their game. Quade would be a much better test player and easily the most dangerous Australia has to offer if he could play a more structured game and learn to pick his opportunities with vision rather then just throwing his entire repertoire at the opposition and hoping something comes off.
Rugby is a sport where you need to make the small gains before you can expect to consistently reap the rewards. Quade is walking the glory road like SBW was prior to this season, always trying to find the shortcut, he needs to learn patience, he needs to mature as a player. Pick your opportunities when they appear and nail them, Carter is happy to play distributor for 30 minutes hardly breaking a sweat, what makes him great is the one time he chooses to pull out a high risk play, he nails it.
June 13th 2012 @ 8:10pm
dcnz said | June 13th 2012 @ 8:10pm | Report comment
the last aussie greats in the back line were Larkham and Mortlock. Find two players like that and Australia will be set.
June 13th 2012 @ 10:51pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 13th 2012 @ 10:51pm | Report comment
Kuruki – On that line regarding Quade did you see his last game for the Reds – he was clearly nursing his knee a bit and played a blinder because the defence just hung off him expecting something ridiculous. In some ways he may just need to pull out the impossible every now & then to keep the defence in two minds and oin the mean time concentrate on throwing those bullet like flat passes in front of the man that he can do so well and then well back-up (maybe watch some Mark Ella tapes).
I would love to see him underplay his hand not for fear of stuffing up in fact for the very opposite…..I
June 13th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Coxinator said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Sheek definitely some valid points there but I think it is the depth of NZ rugby which means they don’t drop of like the Wallabies do between those periods.
The ABs style changes very little over time but while the Ws lose Mortlock and try and replace him with AAC/Horne/Ioane they have an accomplished Smith take over from Umaga. Whitelock replaces Williams, Kaino replaces Collins etc etc it just keeps continuing.
Until the ARU does something to build depth like AFL or even QLD state of origin then we can only hope for occasional betterings of the boys in black. A common philosophy from U20s through 7s to the Ws like the ABs have will only produce quality entertaining rugby with results. That’s why when you watch the NZ teams they don’t differ as much as the comparison between Reds/Tahs for example.
The Junior ABs (despite a loss) look to play like the senior side yet our juniors look like a few schoolboy brutes without a common understanding. The most significant indicator of lack of depth is the fact the Aussie fly half is a poor distributor and horrible kicker! Add to this some poor ineffective outside defenders and no wonder they’re coming home early.
Would Rod Macqueen as CEO give this kind of direction? Anyone else?
June 13th 2012 @ 12:29pm
sheek said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Coxinator,
All very true. If Australia wants to be at the top of the pile consistently, then we have to change our structures, which is why I mentioned it. And keep mentioning it!
The Wallabies produce occasionally great teams among a lot of ordinary teams. By contrast, an average ABs team will still often be capable of beating an above-average Wallaby team.
On the reverse side, when the Wallabies are ordinary, they usually get flogged…..
Really, right now, speculating on any future CEO is almost as useless as demanding Deans be replaced as national coach. Any new CEO, or any new national coach, will still be hidebound by outdate & inefficient domestic structures.
What rugby fans need to realise, I believe, is a need to fundamentally change the way the game is structured & played in Australia.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:08pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Which is what Deans has been trying to do but I suspect he thought it would be easier than he’s now finding out. Maybe he didn’t truly realise that New Zealand rugby and Australian rugby are quite fundamentally different when he first got appointed as your national coach. He tried to revamp the mindset set of the team and brought in a lot of fresh faced talent believing them to be easier to mould and to a degree this worked (just look at the first time the Wallabies faced the All Blacks when he took over). I remember him going around the franchises having a look at the structures and advising the provincial coaches on what he was trying to achieve with the national team but I don’t think he appreciated that Australia might find it a bit harder to “play what’s in front of them” as effectively as his native homeland does. It might take a wee longer yet but if Australia did make this work for them as harmoniously as the All Blacks do whilst still incorporating their penchant for structured multiple quick phase play that made their older Wallaby and Brumbie sides so effective I have no doubt you will see a very formidable side in the future that will be very hard to stop.
June 13th 2012 @ 1:43pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
RM, Sheek – Coxinator and RM have hit the nail on the head, but there is no magic fix to Australian Rugby unless we can make it as popular as League and Aussie Rules to attract large enough playing numbers to have NZ like depth, which is clearly at best going to take a long time and most likely we will battle along as the third or fourth code in the country, but all that aside I will love the game and the way we play it regardless. I am terribly sorry but in spite of the alleged halcyon days, our older posters and former players refer to there was never a formidable depth during these eras. More so we had a group that gelled brilliantly as a team and was able to defeat all-comers. The challenge is for the next generation to try to replicate it. If it were easy we would have 6 or 7 teams playing like the ABs constantly, but it’s not so the best we can hope for is to constantly aspire to play at the same level these teams did, even though we are likely to rarely achieve it.
I wish it were a religion over here like it is in NZ, but good luck teaching a Victorian to stop going to church!
June 13th 2012 @ 3:28pm
sheek said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Well Rugby Diehard,
This is precisely what I’ve been basically saying on other threads – Australian rugby has to make the brand of rugby they play more “compelling”. Which I guess, is merely another way of saying make the game more popular to the masses.
Because the ARU doesn’t have the war-chest of either the AFL or NRL, then the “salesmen” have to be our leading coaches & players. That is, the coaches & players of the Wallabies, Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Rebes & Force.
They are in the best position to quickly change the fortunes of Australian rugby by playing a more compelling brand of rugby, & attracting more players to the game, & more fans through the turnstiles, etc.
Regrettably, it seems, many of these coaches & players either don’t understand, or don’t care, about the significance of their position, & how quickly they could change things through their on-field behaviour.
June 15th 2012 @ 2:05pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 15th 2012 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Sheek – Don’t know if you are still following this thread but I think Chiefton’s points below are quite well made. While I didn’t play in NZ I played with many Kiwis in Oz and in the UK and I have found similar differences between our styles. (I even tried to strap the boots on again last year – comeback lasted 14 mins ’til my knee remembered it needed a cruciate ligament).
I have always found a general willingness by Australian Rugby players to throw the ball around and backup, I will admit I don’t have playing experience prior to the late 80s so can’t speak for some of the periods you refer to. Personally, I occasionally found the Kiwis in spite of a general willingness to play with a little width were sometimes a little too involved with the win at all costs mentality and I think this is probably a result of the seriousness with which the game is held by the larger populace, (this is not a sleight against NZ rugby – would be interested to hear other Kiwis opinions)!!
I did however, find in all parts of the world a bloody good post-match culture that was shared by Rugby players of every nationality. Mediocre playing efforts of every style often became stuff of legend in the clubhouse…..
My pathetic playing stint last year showed me that this culture is still strong at least at the amateur level and I don’t despair for Oz Rugby in the same way you do, but I appreciate and back you in your comments to promote the game here.
Have you thought about taking some of your thoughts beyond the ROAR?
June 13th 2012 @ 3:24pm
Coxinator said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
Too true.
But is JON the man to lead from the top? Nucifora as high performance manager?
I still can’t believe that very little seems to be done from the top-down whether it be promotion of 7s events, club competition, school tournaments or even television rights deals that enable a wider population to actually see the game. Hell, I only played rugby thanks to watching it on Channel 2 after the Gridiron round-up.
There are so many basic principles of business that seem to be neglected by the administrators year-after-year which have resulted in a poor results as a code since 2003.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:50pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
Looking from the outside in there seems to be no “quick fix”. From my perspective (and I stress this is just mine) Australia and humans in general (psyche) love a winner. It’s a catch 22. Union isn’t the predominant sport in your country which dilutes the energy spent on “fixing the problem” i.e. winning consistently. At the same time it won’t become the predominant sport unless they have a sustained consistent period of winning and winning in a fashion that captivates the public’s imagination. Even though, as an All Black supporter, I would hate it if Australia had the dominance over us that we have had over them I fear this might be the only way that this catch 22 could be broken. But in order to break this trend at some point or another 1 generation of Wallabies has to rise above all else and achieve this even though history and politics are totally against them in order for them to do so. One day, this may happen and I’d like to say “when” and not “if” it does happen it must surely be one of the greatest stories in any sport that could ever occur taking into account the long history that Test rugby has been in existence. “When” Australia become synonymous with greatness this will surely be the day that rugby couldn’t get any better for the fans.
June 13th 2012 @ 12:46pm
stillmissit said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Sheek: I agree with your assessment but not the conclusion. I would argue that we always have fast elusive backs but behind it all lies, poor or gutless coaching backed by a very conservative ARU who, in those in between years, would rather condemn wingers to frost bite or obscurity and lose by 5. They would never take a chance on some fast youngsters and face a possible 30 point thrashing. It takes a strong coach ie McQueen (who only got the gig due to desperation from the ARU) or Alan Jones who had the conjones to tell them to get stuffed if they didn’t agree with him.
You can see this conservatism played out at the Waratahs every week. There seems to be an obsession with playing fault free rugby rather than winning rugby and this is at the expense of attacking rugby, then the players are expected to ‘turn it on’ when the media gets stuck into them in an environment where mistakes are criticised and incomes put at risk.
We need to have a overarching philosophy about how we should be playing our rugby and I think that fast, creative backs supported by a parity pack who can win quick ball, would be good enough for me.
If you want to watch how a dour Australian game plan can kill our rugby chances look at the under 20′s against France last night. Or better still close your eyes and choose any Waratahs game from the last 5 years.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:44pm
sheek said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
‘Missit,
The older I get, the more I realise how stupid humanity really is. it’s a wonder we don’t collectively stuff up more often!
Our politicians, bankers, economists, captains of industry, etc are supposed to be the wise men & women guiding us. But in reality, they don’t have much more of a clue than the rest of us. It’s all smoke & mirrors, show & tell.
I think it was Mark Twain who posed the question as to whether those who lead us were as smart as they told us they were, or whether they were merely having us on.
You can go to university & get a string of qualifications to your name. But if you went in with a closed mind, you’ll come out with a closed mind all the same. I’m sorry to say the world is full of educated idiots! A little knowledge can sometimes be a dangerous thing.
Anyway, a very wise old saying says it doesn’t matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get back up again. In other words, make a mistake, learn from it, & have another crack.
Campo was a guy who was always willing to try something different. Sometimes it didn’t work – like the 1989 pass behind the goal-line against the Lions which most everyone likes to bring up. Yet on the other hand he achieved so much more than most because of his willingness to dare to be different, to dare to go out on the edge.
I don’t mind players making mistakes. Especially if I can see they were trying to do something different. If they learn from it & have another crack, then they’ll succeed, & fans will appreciate their derring-do.
A wise coach looks at his players & their unique differences, & finds ways to get the best out of each individual player within the overall team framework. But I guess it’s easier, & requires less brainwork, to get everyone just doing the same thing…..
June 13th 2012 @ 6:04pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
You speak with much wisdom Sheek, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. When all is said and at the end of the day you can only control what is in your control and I’m sure the ebb and flow of life and rugby will flow towards a period of success again for the Wallabies. No1 sport or not the wallabies will have their day again, sooner or later they will make Australians proud if they weren’t already (they should be). Long live Wallaby rugby forever and beyond.
June 16th 2012 @ 3:16pm
Richie McCaw said | June 16th 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
I wouldn’t give Macgueen total credit there as Eales, Gregan, Larkham, and basically all the greats from that era were in place in the national side before he coached it (he gets credit for moving Larkham to 1st 5…that took initiative). stillmissit, I respect your opinion and outlook but (and I may be wrong) I feel as though sometimes you tend to have a limited view as you tend to focus on more non-holistic problems.
I know the ARU and the coaching structure isn’t ideal but it also isn’t a problem that has existed for only 10 years. It’s more than meets the eye in relation to these two things. Please advise, may I ask…What would you do to “fix” the problem?
(I’m not being augmentative, I genuinely want to hear your holistic opinion).
June 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Bobo said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
With the congested defensive lines, you either need to move the ball quickly and flat to beat the defensive pattern, or otherwise smash through it first. You can’t move the ball wide without either lightning speed or having first created space by committing men in the midfield.
Ireland showed at the weekend that an attacking intent is folly if you are moving the ball wide to traffic instead of space, whereas NZ created the holes in the midfield, then spread it as the defence committed.
Australian players can’t, or won’t, pass off two or three steps. So the tactic is to use the 12 and 13 as battering rams to create space for the back three.. It ain’t pretty, but unless we get a 12 and 13 who have the speed and strength to run the lines McCabe did AND the skill to create attacking play the way Horan and Little did in their pomp, we will be tactically limited to crash-ball rugby as the only way to get through the traffic, and then let Ioane and co pick up the scraps.
June 13th 2012 @ 12:21pm
stillmissit said | June 13th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Bobo: This seems to be all about poor thinking and taking the simple option, not necessarily the best option.
We need to mix things up a bit more constantly bashing it up is brain dead and some of them are already on that road TPN and Barnes. The game should be about avoiding the collision and working the gaps or creating the gaps, if you do make the collision set the ball up or crash through. There are 2 ways to impact on a back line, speed or weight and we are trying to get both into one player – not sure this is smart……
June 13th 2012 @ 1:38pm
Bobo said | June 13th 2012 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
I agree that it’s about taking the simple option.
I disagree that there are two ways to break a backline. I think there is a third – I’d add ‘guile’ to the list (which is what I think you mean by the gap creation comment). The right running angle, moving a defender’s weight to the wrong foot or the wrong direction, or causing a defence to think in two minds (and thus causing a split in the line) can create effective space where it would not otherwise appear to exist. Think the wonderful try scored by the Blacks in the 2000 Bledisloe, or Campo’s run in the ’91 RWC where the AB’s defence seemed to think he was going to run everywhere except in a diagonal straight line, and hung off him until the try was scored.
It is this factor that Cooper has when he’s playing well, and Larkham had, and all of the best backs throughout history demonstrated.
Unfortunately, it is hard to prepare a ‘structure’ for this in broken phase play: it requires independent and immediate thought on the field, and usually a combination of those who create for others and those who create for themselves – in other words, to ‘play what’s in front of you’. At the moment, we lack the personnel in 10-13 to execute with guile consistently, so strength is the fallback option.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:00pm
stillmissit said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
Bobo: We have the same hymn book pity others don’t know it exists?
June 13th 2012 @ 2:17pm
Bobo said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
To be fair, I think Deans wanted to play this way, but can only work with the cattle he has. You can’t train a player to think on his feet – it’s innate. When I was (a very mediocre club-level) player, I could read the play and know exactly where the ball was going to be, but I could not consistently create space for those outside me. No amount of training gave me that skill.
A the international level, we have a lot of good runners, but very few creative players.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:29pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Maybe Deans was a bit too hasty getting rid of Giteau but to be honest I don’t know much about his current form and it doesn’t really solve the bigger picture. I just thought that getting rid of a player as talented as he was who has earn’t 92 test caps and who is still only 29 was a bit silly. One can only imagine that he had what it took to develop and evolve his talents even further and become a better player right up until today and beyond.
June 13th 2012 @ 2:58pm
sittingbison said | June 13th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
Richie, there were more issues with Gits than just his ability. He had become a liability at all his previous clubs, and was directly involved in the demise of previous two coaches Mitchell and Friend. His ego had got the better of him and he was no longer a team player.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:10pm
Jutsie said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
SB i couldn’t say it any better, the thing that annoys me the most is that last year he used the brumbies as a last ditch attempt to regain the test 5/8 position knowing full well that he was leaving at the end of the year. He should’ve played in his best position of 12 and guided the promising 10′s toomua and leiliafanno.
I never rated leiliafanno and his form this year came as a huge surprise but I realise now that he just needed proper support and guidance from the coaching team and senior players. He didnt receive that in prior years but he is receiving it from white and larkham this year.
June 13th 2012 @ 3:16pm
Richie McCaw said | June 13th 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
Fair enough. Nobody should ever think they are greater than the team. Just look at the All Blacks, they believe they are just caretakers of the jersey and the jersey supersedes all. Come to think of it, that’s probably exactly why Deans (a former All Black) decided it was time for him to leave.
June 13th 2012 @ 6:10pm
sittingbison said | June 13th 2012 @ 6:10pm | Report comment
interesting point about 5/8 Jutsie, because he came over to the Force and did exactly the same thing insisting he was playing 10 when he was 12 in the wobblies, as a result the Force lost Brock James, James Hilgendorf and Scott Daruda.
June 15th 2012 @ 12:48am
Chiefton said | June 15th 2012 @ 12:48am | Report comment
As a NZder having played in NZ and in an Oz comp at the moment it would be easy to say NZ players look to the All Black template and the religion breeds an attacking mindest over the “one out” play that seems to prevail in Oz. However I have seen well constructed fast paced play here. A wealth of hunting and roving loosies and technically accurate front rowers. At grass roots they play what’s in front of them and shift it wide with clinical efficiency.
Whilst it’s true that kiwi rugby kids replay in their minds a thousand times the heorics of attacking rugby (not league) play and this has a great influence. The big differences I spot are the scarecity of explosive players to change pace, direction or play dynamically even at the amateur level. In Australia a step, a fend, speed, strong technique to effect a turnover is often one play utilised by a player in a movement. In New Zealand I’d commonly encounter a single player bash the ball out of a defender, pick it up gass through a gap, swerve fend and deliver a wide pass to assist a try. Sometimes they were props.
So I guess a long winded way to point at depth and skill but more so it’s exposure to extraordinary feats. Rugby Australia has a wealth of smart natural athletes. What’s lacking is the confidence to evolve players in that direction and therefore move the game forward. NZ coaches and administrators do that partly because it’s part of the fabric but mostly because they believe if all players strive for that standard it raises the level of the group.
The other key difference is in the teams game sense to read play with little verbal communication to identify key weaknesses in the opposition to attack. This was key to the attacking prominence of Polynesian teams in years past. Most would say size and strength were instead but support play that was a hallmark of most of those sides was not about either of those attributes instead it was about reading the play of your team mates and placing yourself in to capitalise on the breakdown of defences. The Queensland origin side do it exceptionally well and the Hurricanes are Super rugby’s greatest exponents over its history.
I see these differences between NZ and the Wallabies but evolving around your philosophy instead of following trends is key. In 2009 the ABs were outplayed by the Boks. The next year they sharpened up their high ball, kick chase and lineouts which allowed them to bring attack (the natural suit) back into the spotlight.
June 16th 2012 @ 2:28pm
Richie McCaw said | June 16th 2012 @ 2:28pm | Report comment
Chiefton,
You seem to have a unique understanding having had the experience you’ve had and I suspect you may be right for the most part.
Personally, I played for Avondale college in Auckland between 1998-2000 and we fought our way from the Auckland B grade up to the school boy Auckland A-grade when Kelston boy’s high were the reigning secondary school boy world champions. In the year 2000 we were going to Fiji for a rugby trip when George Speight effected a coup. We had to change course on relatively short notice and went to Australia instead. Unfortunately all the games we had lined up in Australia fell through (5 in total) and the excuse was that they were too small to compete against our Island boys. The players weren’t scared but their parents were afraid for the safety of their children (16-18 year olds). The first team pulled out half an hour before kick off and the rest caught wind of how big our team was and cancelled as soon as they heard.
In the same year I was playing for the Suburbs rugby club and we entertained a South African youth team that was really tough and really gave it to us. They were tough competitors and were really physical and pretty much physically dominated our pack as they were physically bigger than our island boys. However we still won…just. I can’t remember the score but it was close.
I guess what I’m saying is that at the “grass-roots level” there are trends that tend to manifest themselves in higher levels. Having said that, even though at the grass-roots level Australian rugby isn’t super strong it still has the capability of having era’s of dominance, it’s just that Australians tend to expect a long reign of dominance at senior level when they don’t have the fundamental structures in place to make that happen in the lower level. They are great competitors but they need to afford themselves a little leeway here and there as the sport is not their main sport. If they could make rugby their predominant sport in the future they will get consistently better results and they will be a more consistent force more often.
Every dog has it’s day and Australia will have their day again. As a casual fan in Australia it must be frustrating but they have to show patience.
Long live rugby!!!