How good can Scott Higginbotham be?
By The Crowd, 16 Jun 2012 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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Scott Higginbotham’s first try in Test rugby last week announced his presence on the international scene as no other deed could. Already a world class star in the minds of many fans, it is moments like his pick and go try that should silence those that don’t agree.
He is most certainly in the Wallaby side as a dynamic ball carrier and a strike weapon for five pointers. Otherwise his selection at flanker makes less sense than if we went with the higher work rates of Dennis or Mowen.
If he can hold his place by doing what he does best, we’re looking at someone that might become a try-scoring phenomenon.
That is a big call I know, considering his previous five Wallaby starts have been relatively un-spectacular.
His starting test debut against South Africa in Durban was an unheralded disaster for him. Despite the Wallaby victory, Higginbotham played too wide and too quiet for Deans liking and he was subsequently dumped for the all important Tri-Nations final.
Higginbotham did not make another start until the Wallabies had already qualified for the Quarter Finals at the Rugby World Cup. His performance in this match against Russia was equally disappointing.
At this point serious questions had to be raised about his suitability for Test match rugby. Circumstances involving a semi final exit at the Rugby World Cup and another injury to his main rival for the national number six shirt, Rocky Elsom, dictated that he would start two more Tests at the end of last year. Again his performances were nothing to text, tweet or Facebook about.
His performances for the Reds this season had ranged from satisfactory to exciting and to extremely lacklustre.
If one compares his two performances against the Brumbies this year, for instance, it is as if two different Higginbothams exist, popping in and out of each other’s parallel universes. One is the dynamic try scoring machine that played in the first match against the Brumbies, the one we all hope will turn out for the Wallabies.
The other is the player that, in 80 minutes of conference-lead deciding rugby, produced three carries for 10 metres and was the first to arrive at only three rucks.
Despite this inconsistency curiously he remained, as ever, in the public conscious as someone Deans should not leave out of the Wallaby side. Was it the Chabal-like caveman looks propelling him into a Chabal-like cult following?
For Higginbotham’s sake I hope not. The French fans’ adoration of Chabal and insistence that he be chosen only proved that the public can not be trusted to pick rugby teams. After all, Chabal, despite his moments of strength and his likeability, was in the end, a Test match rugby flop.
To the Scotland match and Higginbotham’s first start at no 8 since his run on debut was much more like it. It started to become clear that if he played in the middle of the park he had more substance than perhaps many had given him credit. It was a solid hit-out and a good lesson in what Test match rugby is about.
The only thing he needed to do better last Saturday, in addition to the acceptable work rate that he put in, was adjust his body height when he carried. He also needed to bag a try, which he did.
If he can maintain his work rate and not give Deans an excuse to drop him for the less spectacular more industrious options, he has the physical attributes, the speed and the try scoring nous to become something special.
He might even break some records. For the Wallabies, the leading try scorer for forwards in tests is a joint record held by Rocky Elsom and Jeremy Paul, who both have 14 tries to their names. I think this is more than attainable for someone like ‘Higgers’, so long as he plays a decent number of tests.
In talking of records for try scoring forwards, it is no surprise that a Japanese player once again reigns supreme. The Japanese back-rower Takashi Kikutani has 23 of them. But I think that record is as meaningful as the amount of tries I’ve scored in the backyard against my children and my dog.
Interestingly, if you look at only the other leading 10 nations, the record is held by Colin Charvis a very healthy 22 tries.
Leaving my favourite topic, records, aside, if you look at the history of Test match rugby, there really hasn’t been a stand out noted try scoring forward, a Steve Menzies type if you will. The game really is crying out for one.
If there was ever a forward to become a try-scoring legend it is Higginbotham and this will be key to his own and for Wallaby success in the years to come.
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June 16th 2012 @ 2:30am
bluerose said | June 16th 2012 @ 2:30am | Report comment
Dennis and Fardy are the tight playing #6 in Australia. Higgins can and will improve, Luke Jones is a future prospect but needs more bulk, the younger Timani has shown some talent in his rookie year and will benefit Aust in the long run.
June 16th 2012 @ 3:50am
the breakdown said | June 16th 2012 @ 3:50am | Report comment
Cheers for calling it as it is with SH. Too many fans are blind to his lack of work rate. In tests there is no where to hide. Deans is the best thing for SH because he is already playing a lot tighter than what McKenzie allows him at the reds.
June 16th 2012 @ 5:51am
wallaby fan said | June 16th 2012 @ 5:51am | Report comment
A good comparison between Higginbotham and Chabal. Are either the type of players you want when you need someone with a high work rate?
June 16th 2012 @ 7:41am
Uncle Argyle said | June 16th 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Goof topic mate,
Firstly I am a Scott Higginbotham fan but he is a long, long way from being a great No 8. The Wallbies have produced some great No 8′s those that come to mind include Mark Loane, Greg Cornelson, Steve Tynuman, Tim Gavin and Totai Kefu spring to mind. As talented as Scott is he is no where near the class of these blokes who each have made significant impacts to famous Wallaby victories.
I agree that Scott is on the improve. His link play out wide was never in question, nor his speed, agility and skill. However if he is going to be a world class 8 he needs to add some toughness, raw boned agression and direct go forward into his game which there a signs of this season but I want to see him dominate a New Zeland or South Africa consistently before we get to over board about Scott.
If there is one criticism I have of his game is that he can sometimes run too talland can get held up, or his service to the backs is slowed up. It does not happen every time and he does also show signs of very good body height at the contact however if he is to be a great 8 he needs to have that body height low at the contact to get the defenc on the back foot and allow an off – load or quick recyle to the backs.
I am sad to see him leaving Queensland but think he will go well in Melbourne. I rate Loane as our best and the only thing Scott can compare to him is that they are both from Queensland and have beards. Scott has a long way to go until he can challange Mark Loan e as our best IMHO.
June 16th 2012 @ 8:37am
PeterK said | June 16th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
SH is a better 6 than 8, and long term I think this is also the case.
SH is also far behind our best 6 even of recent times like Willie O or Finegan.
The current backrow is the right balance Higgs, Pocock and Palu.
June 16th 2012 @ 8:46am
Uncle Argyle said | June 16th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
I agree, I ve only compared him as an 8. I agree with you Peter K that he is not as good as Willie O, Owen Finnegan, Daid Codey at this stage of his career.
June 16th 2012 @ 9:17am
Justin2 said | June 16th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
He is in his novice stage of his career, comparing him to those players is a waste of time right now…
June 16th 2012 @ 11:27am
Uncle Argyle said | June 16th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Well there the bench mark.
June 16th 2012 @ 9:24am
Who Needs Melon said | June 16th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Interesting to compare Melon and Higgers. Same positions but TOTALLY different players.
I’m obviously a fan of the former but you could never describe him as fast, athletic or skillful. He was a guy that rose above his potential on pure guts, aggression and determination. And maybe a few other things.
But I’m also a fan of Higgers. He is finding his own game but I think has also come to realise that he needs to take some leaves out of the books of other good current and former loose forwards. I was quite impressed with him on the rugby club during the week. He didn’t come across as an aggressive thug but instead a very settled, affable and humble bloke.
So I’m not sure he’ll ever be a great – there are (for once) a few other good forwards thereabouts – but I do think he’s very deserving of his spot in the Wallabies.
June 16th 2012 @ 10:19am
Uncle Argyle said | June 16th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
I will say I think he has the potential to be a great 8 or 6. The signs are there but we nee to see it lifted a notch or two and done consistently. I think Kieran Read is probably the best 8 in the world IMHO, best 6 I would have Jerome Kaino if fit, others of note are Stephen Ferris of Ireland, when fit, Pierre Spies of South Africa, Irranordaquay of France in RWC but did not see much of the 6 nations. Not sure if he even played. Bonniare of France I rate. I also like Louis Picamloes of France but is not often picked. Big ball runner though. I do not rate and never rated Nick Easter. Higginbotham is starting to compete with some of these guys but not dominate them. Hope he gets there though. As you say he appears a really decent bloke.
June 16th 2012 @ 4:46pm
The Werewolf said | June 16th 2012 @ 4:46pm | Report comment
Thanks Gents for your comments. I enjoyed reading this thread, particularly the comparisons to former players and current ones.
The thing with no 6 there is no real blue print as to the role. Obviously you have to all chip in with the basic but all the leading no 6′s play it slightly different and gain their success via their style that suite their particular team.
Bonnaire (now retired) and Dusatoir who were a successful pair that played left and right flanker as opposed to our more distinct open and blind, based their game on making as many tackles as possible and in ball retention. Lydiate’s game is also a defensive one with a high work rate in ball retention but his strength is his big hitting ie attacking defense and then you’ve got the ball carrying no 6′s like Ferris, Croft and Higgers but again these three have different strengths with the manner in which they carry.
Probably the most complete player is Kaino but I’ve got to say my favourite style is Lydiate’s.
UA is right. SH has potential to be something special but it’s up to him to make sure he does his fair share around the park before his unique attributes come to the fore front. Not the other way around.
June 16th 2012 @ 9:16am
Justin2 said | June 16th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Higgers looks to be a more natural 6 at Test level. His work rate and tight play have improved nicely. With a back row of Palu and Pocock I would argue very strongly that Higgers wide game is a non negotiable.
It’s about balance and if he can play tight when we are under the pump then great but his athleticism is his best asset. So many people on here seem to want a Palu mark2 when it isn’t required and not making best uses of Higgers obvious talents.
June 16th 2012 @ 12:43pm
PeterK said | June 16th 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Totally hence my remark re the current backrow is the right balance.
The differences between Palu and Higgs is what make them play better as a combo and is better for the team. One stronger , more powerful, tighter game, the other faster more athletic.
Both have a good work rate. One thing I would like to se Higgs learn from Palu is the offload, Palu offloads more often with great success, higgs dies with the ball too often.
June 16th 2012 @ 4:48pm
The Werewolf said | June 16th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
Good points gents!
June 16th 2012 @ 10:41am
Blue Blood said | June 16th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
“His performances for the Reds this season had ranged from satisfactory to exciting and to extremely lacklustre.”
I ask then why was he chosen in the Wallabies, orger others who were consistanrly performing? Matt Hodgson has outplayed him this year and the last 3. Deans and his favouritism at play again I fear. Perhaps if Hodgson who had the consistently better super form was given the same number of opportunities as Higgers he would have been an established Wallaby too. What a waste.
On the flip side. Higgers is improving and it is great to see. Little consolation to Hodgson but good none the less.
I wonder how many more player fall into this same category? Play better than the ones chosen by Deans. I wonder what the team would look like if Deans’ “I pick on form and any player can play themselves into the team” was more than lip service?
June 16th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Uncle Argyle said | June 16th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
BB,
I agree with your last sentiment. Can Robbie Deans please explain who exacly Salesi Ma’afu dominated. Has’t been Greg Holmes thats for sure.
June 16th 2012 @ 12:47pm
PeterK said | June 16th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
dont agree, that Hodgson has played better than higgs through the year.
Higgs is a better ballance at intl level against bigger, stronger better players. Hodgson is like brown good at super but poerful enough at intl, not as a 6 anyway. He is really a 7 and would be good enough but Pockcok, Hooper and Gill are ahead of him there.
Higgs, and Palu team up better than Hodgson and Palu.
Hodgson is 31 and seen his best days, Higgs is improving all the time.
Finally Higgs is a better 3rd lineout option, Hodgson is too short.
June 16th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Justin said | June 16th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Hodgson is a 7 playing in a 6 jersey, you can’t seriously compare the two. At test level playing MH at 6 would be ridiculous!
June 16th 2012 @ 10:58am
Joshy said | June 16th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Here’s the answer to the article:
Not very.
June 16th 2012 @ 12:56pm
CraigB said | June 16th 2012 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
How many tests have you played then?
June 16th 2012 @ 2:01pm
Joshy said | June 16th 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Okay. Ma’afu has played around 10 games for the Wallabies, he is a fantastic player and his opinion is greater than every other fan who has never worn the jersey of such a fantastic side. Us fans are not allowed opinions until we have played at least one test match. Lol.
June 16th 2012 @ 1:40pm
sixo_clock said | June 16th 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Scott is most similar to Adam Thompson of the Highlanders. It stops at build though. AT works tirelessly, is inventive, clever, fast, elusive, great in defence, in perpetual motion and a ruck thief. Despite all that he is very much still only a fringe AB. If coaching Scott he would be shown an AT DVD (or 7) and let him work it out. Like Uncle Argyle noted he runs too high, also he doesn’t spin in tackles and likes to swan with and feed off the backs. Current locks would be better as Palu’s backup such as Pyle, Fardy, Power or even Horwill down the track. Again with Uncle Argyle, Kieran Read is massive on the field and we need someone similar now that Rocky is not in the squad.
June 16th 2012 @ 3:54pm
Worlds biggest said | June 16th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
Higgers has plenty of talent and ability. Work rate and consistency is the issue. Blindside is his best position although that requires a lot of grunt work which at this stage we haven’t seen from him. There are certain players who fit the Tarzan/Jane profile such as Spies and Chabal. Let’s hope Higgers doesn’t join this list. Good piece Wolfie.
June 16th 2012 @ 4:09pm
Joshy said | June 16th 2012 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
Spies creates such a huge disadvantage to the Boks. I record the games. On second viewing, all I do is follow him around the field, only focusing on him. He does absolutely nothing. As long as Meyer is there, he will never be dropped. I hope he injures himself.
June 16th 2012 @ 6:21pm
Eric said | June 16th 2012 @ 6:21pm | Report comment
Higgers needs to do more work. And, when he has scored his 116th first class try, he’ll have overtaken Ian Kirkpatrick!
June 16th 2012 @ 10:28pm
The Werewolf said | June 16th 2012 @ 10:28pm | Report comment
116 first class tries for a forward is impressive but its tests we are talking about. He would need to score another 16 tries to overtake Kirkpatrick in test rugby.
McCaw holds the All Black record for most tries for the All Black’s with 19, followed by Zinzan with 17 and then Kirkpatrick with 16.