Is State of Origin bigger than the Grand Final?
By Andrew Sutherland, 17 Jun 2012 Andrew Sutherland is a Roar Expert
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Craig Bellamy made an interesting comment earlier this week when he was asked by former AFL champion Alastair Lynch if he had any concerns about releasing his players for State Of Origin.
Bellamy replied: ” Origin is a huge thing in our sport. Probably the grand final is about the only thing that might be a touch bigger… if it is.”
Could a mid-week best-of-three concept competition like Origin really be more important than the game that decides the season?
From a supporters perspective it probably is. An entire State follows each of the teams and the TV ratings and crowd for Origin II last Wednesday were comparable with those for last year’s Grand Final.
But if players had to make a choice would they really choose playing State of Origin over winning a premiership? From what I have witnessed during the last fourteen years, I think the answer is yes.
The importance of State of Origin to the players cannot be underestimated. Firstly, with a dearth of competitive international teams it is the highest standard of rugby league in the world.
Just as importantly, it appears the representatives of each State loathe each other which adds a spiteful physical element to the sublime skills.
As a Victorian following the game for the first time, I was surprised by the huge importance attached to these representative fixtures and the ferocity with which they were played.
I was glad for my team’s players to be selected as it was a recognition of their achievements and the esteemed status of the team but my eye was always on the big prize at the end of 26 gruelling rounds and the do-or-die finals matches. State of Origin is a magnificent spectacle but it compromises the team I follow.
You find yourself riding every big hit (which most tackles are in Origin) and just hoping your team’s players survive.
Unfortunately the players are not of the same mindset. It is the pinnacle of their game and they will do anything to play even if they’re not fit to do so. They will deny anything is wrong during these games and risk season ending injuries.
Should Billy Slater really have played the second half of Origin II with a torn posterior cruciate ligament? Was Neil Henry screaming through the television at his man Brent Tate to stay off the ground after he hobbled to the sidelines (only to return immediately to the brutal defensive line).
When Sharks coach Shane Flanagan saw inspirational captain Paul Gallen stay down after a tackle did he fear his team’s premiership chances were shot?
Bellamy did mention that Origin is a good for clubs because ” you think they [Origin players] are going to come back better for the experience”. While playing would certainly help prepare you for the pressures of a grand final it’s a fact that playing Origin is severely taxing on the mind and body. It must feel like you’ve played at least three grand finals already.
The coaches must decide whether to play their representative stars, or rest them and risk compromising ladder position.
Despite what some fans may say it’s difficult to know if Origin has cost teams a premiership. The Broncos, who have provided a hefty chunk of the Queensland squad over the years, haven’t lost a grand final; although Origin may have cost them a place in several of them.
The growth of Origin has been quite staggering, especially when you consider that Game 2 of the first series in 1980 drew a crowd of 1638. Wednesday’s game attracted 83,111.
When the panel of ex AFL players interviewing Bellamy couldn’t understand how NRL coaches could let Origin compromise their teams’ premiership aspirations, Bellamy explained: “All the players want to play Origin. All want to play at the highest level. It’s something we cherish”.
You can’t argue with that.
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June 17th 2012 @ 5:26am
Gaz said | June 17th 2012 @ 5:26am | Report comment
Grand final is between two clubs and their supporters, Origin is between two states and their people so I guess so.
Grand final will never ever be conducted over any more than one game because that is exactly what it is – a Grand Final. It’s a build up of a football season and the respective coaches need to bring their players to a peak, a crescendo if you like on the day. Really only get one crack at that. I can recall a drawn final played in the 70s that needed a rematch and one side absolutely blitzed the other -not a good look.
June 17th 2012 @ 6:07am
Chris said | June 17th 2012 @ 6:07am | Report comment
“The growth of Origin has been quite staggering, especially when you consider that Game 2 of the first series in 1980 drew a crowd of 1638.”
There was only one game in the 1980 “series”.
June 17th 2012 @ 10:12am
Ask said | June 17th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Was the original 1980 “one game” actually the third dead rubber game of a three game series? albeit the only one played under the new eligiblity rules that we see today. Since I wasnt born until a few months after this I don’t remember but a work colleague who was there told me this recently.
June 17th 2012 @ 5:33pm
Tom of Brisbane said | June 17th 2012 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
Yes. There had been an agreement between the states that if the third game was a dead rubber it would be played under state of origin conditions
June 17th 2012 @ 6:21am
steve b said | June 17th 2012 @ 6:21am | Report comment
SOO has been a huge success since its introduction and its only going to get bigger in years to come ,,however you can understand the fans coaches and clubs worrying about the threat of a season ending injury because of it..The Grand Final is supposed to be the major prize at seasons end,,but i think SOO is starting to overshadow the importance of winning our top prize..Not by by the fans and not by the clubs because every fan wants their team to be in the grand final or have good go at getting their..But each year we run the chance of shooting our teams in the foot because of top players being injured in SOO and missing games because of it..You hear the same story every year ,,and teams have lost games and have not made finals because of players getting and carrying injuries into the back end of the season because of SOO Duties.The expectations on players is to great,, its a long season if your carrying any sort of injury at all..If the grand final is to remain our major goal then something must be done about the timing of SOO !!
June 17th 2012 @ 8:24am
The Bush said | June 17th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
How can SoO get bigger? Both states already stop when it’s on and no new teams are gonna be added – it’s as big as it will ever be…
June 17th 2012 @ 8:43am
steve b said | June 17th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
how do you know in the future that no new teams will be added ,,They say they are trying to grow the game in all states,, if this does happen ,,which i hope does. You dont think they will want to be part of it ,of course it will be bigger…
June 17th 2012 @ 10:14am
The Bush said | June 17th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Take a look at AFL to see why that’ll never happen. The day RL grows to the point that other states can even be remotely competitive will be the day RL outgrows SoO. By the. The NRL will be such a behemoth that it won’t matter.
June 17th 2012 @ 10:48am
steve b said | June 17th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
I hpoe your wrong,,,although i wouldn;t be around to see it,State v State all being competitive,, what a comp This is the future i have no doubt,, our game is the best and with the right people at the wheel it could happen faster than we think !!
June 18th 2012 @ 6:03pm
josh said | June 18th 2012 @ 6:03pm | Report comment
It will get bigger!
Next year Mal will anounce the selection of Lebron James on the wing, given his eligibility from once considering a holiday on the Barrier Reef.
Next Lionel Messi will be flown in to kick goals for the Maroons as his girlfriend saw a Tourism QLD advertisement in her latest copy of OK Magazine, and just to keep things competitive Clay Mathews will lock the scrum for QLD as he was spotted by Des Morris partying in Surfers on an end of season trip – all above board mind you.
June 17th 2012 @ 6:47am
solly said | June 17th 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
Ideally, State of Origin should follow the season proper. International matches ought to follow the State of Origin.
The season should be much, much shorter. Playing each team only once would mean a season of what? 15 matches? That’s good enough for me. Then you could have the State of Origin, followed by a Four Nations tournament system EVERY YEAR against England, New Zealand and one more team.
That’s how I would like to see rugby league organised.
June 17th 2012 @ 7:38am
Boomshanka said | June 17th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
With channel nine cutting straight away after the final whistle for non heartland states on both last weeks origin and last years grand final, denying post match coverage, I’d say Nine treat the game with the same contempt while they treat the International game with even more disdain.
I’m with Solly, have the season proper then follow with State of Origin then International series, having a proper build up. Hell even the AFL announce their (cough cough) All Australian team at the end of their season.
We could start the season earlier and place the All Stars game mid season. At present, I’m sure there are kids growing up believing Queensland are world champions.
June 17th 2012 @ 7:49am
steve b said | June 17th 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
Solly,,Boomshanka,,i think something along these lines will have to be the way to go in the future ,,if we are going to try and keep our best players on feild till seasons end !!!
June 18th 2012 @ 10:18am
solly said | June 18th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Australia is too provincial in its thinking to make the necessary changes to reap the benefits of a successful international competition.
After all, there is more money floating around in the world than there is floating around in Australia. Only a successful international competition can tap into that money.
Small time thinking looks big when you yourself (ie, clubs, NRL, ARL etc) are taking all the money.
June 17th 2012 @ 8:01am
Mals said | June 17th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
I think it all depends if your NRL team is in the grand final or not. For me, my NRL team winning a grand final is streets ahead of my State winning an Origin series.
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June 17th 2012 @ 3:17pm
Ken said | June 17th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Me too, and I disagree with the article because I think the players feel it that way too. You don’t see tears on Origin nights but it’s a fairly common occurance on grand final day.
I was actually having a related conversation when Origin was on last Wednesday saying that while I do care about the result of Origin, it’s much more about watching a great game of football between amazing sides. Don’t get me wrong I’m riding the mighty Blues all the way but if they lose the series I’ll verbally joust with the locals up here in Brisbane for a few days and not think any more of it until next year . If my team is playing in a grand final I probably enjoy the game far less, I’m much more emotionally involved and have far more to lose. If they win I’m elated but it probably starts off as relief…. If they lose I’m going to be miserable all off-season!
June 17th 2012 @ 4:00pm
Leaguecoach101 said | June 17th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
If South Sydney were to make it to a Grand Final… you would see build up, hype and passion that would eclipse any State of Origin game. IF South Sydney were to win… you’d see tears in the streets all over NSW…. not because the team has such a huge fan base but because every League fan secretly roots for Souths to win it again one day….
I think in that case the Grand Final would be miles bigger than State of Origin. However games like last years – with a team no one likes playing a team from a different country – I think State of Origin was much bigger.
So it really depends on the make up of the teams. Of course the same is true in Origin – it’s the drive to get the Blues their first series win in seven years that has created such hype about State of Origin. In a few years who knows – might not have quite the same passion attached.
June 18th 2012 @ 12:18pm
Ronnie the Eel said | June 18th 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Totally agree…. as a hapless (almost) one-eyed Eels supporter ever since I watched my first game of league many eons ago now…. I have a soft spot as a second choice for the Bunnies… apart from hoping one day b4 I leave this planet to see the Eels win another gf, if the Bunnies win one I will also be chuffed….
Agree again that I get excited and think that Origin is the greatest spectacle of the RL season as it is only three games of the year and along with the intense passion that has evolved with it over 32 years since it’s inception…
objectively and without seeing the Eels or Bunnies in the gf, the gf should be and is the biggest game of the year as it’s the culmination of a whole season’s effort from the two teams involved – having said that though, if either of those two sides aren’t in the gf, then the Origins are the only games that I can become really excited and nervous about watching!
June 18th 2012 @ 12:35pm
Pot Stirrer said | June 18th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Not so, as a Roosters supporter i dislike the Rabbits and thier hypocrocies in relation to players origins. All that crap about local juniors
and look at them now.
June 17th 2012 @ 8:26am
Cameron said | June 17th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
Is State of Origin bigger than the Grand Final? YES – Why else would clubs be willing to release their players to play in it at the risk of injury, potentially hurting their chances of winning the premiership?
June 17th 2012 @ 3:19pm
Ken said | June 17th 2012 @ 3:19pm | Report comment
That’s not much of a case, it fails it’s own logic. If SOO were that important then surely the players wouldn’t be allowed to run around in the NRL on the other weekends potentially hurting their chances of winning Origin…
June 17th 2012 @ 8:35am
eagleJack said | June 17th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Fact: players love Origin. But their number one goal in their career is to win a premiership. Nothing else comes close.
June 17th 2012 @ 9:09am
Cameron said | June 17th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
if that’s true, then why are they willing to play SOO where they risk injury by playing in those SOO matches that have nothing to do with helping their side win a premiership?
June 17th 2012 @ 9:30am
eagleJack said | June 17th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
Because they love it. No doubt about the pull of Origin. The intensity, the passion, the camaraderie. But the players know the main prize is at the end of the year. That’s what they train for. That’s what they sacrifice for. And professional athletes don’t consider injuries in their decision-making. They know early on that they can occur anywhere, anytime. Just ask David Kidwell and Jack Wighton.
June 17th 2012 @ 9:32am
p.Tah said | June 17th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Why do they play NRL in the weeks leading up to the SOO when they could risk injury and miss SOO? Same logic
June 17th 2012 @ 10:34am
Gleeso said | June 17th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
They play origin because you can do both. It has been proven. The teams that win premierships usually provide the most origin players. I dont mind the point being debated for a giggle. But seriously it is not even close. Winning a premiership is more important to an extent that is immeasurable. We are in a bit of a false frenzie about origin in NSW right now, but it will die down when we break the QLD dominance.
I understand why Victorians get confussed about how representative football can sit alongside club football – simply because they do not have any prospects of ever having rep football. That is why they need to blow preseason, brownlow and childrens drafts way out of proportion. But I do not understand how why NSWmen are now questioning this. I would happily sit through another decade of QLD dominance for my team to win this years premiership. And I wonder how many origin caps Hindmarsh would hand in to win a premiership.
June 17th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Ken said | June 17th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
sorry p.Tah, thought I came up with a witty retort above and then found that I’d been beaten to it…
June 17th 2012 @ 6:28pm
p.Tah said | June 17th 2012 @ 6:28pm | Report comment
Still amusing Ken
June 17th 2012 @ 4:18pm
db swannie said | June 17th 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
Because of 100 yrs of state rivalry,many where NSW used QLD players to beat QLD.
I take it you are an AFL fan ,hence rep games are a foreign concept.
Ask any Kid playing junior RL what their dream is..
They will say Play NRL,maybe SOO & hopefully Play for Australia.
He can do all three & barring injury he can excel at all three.
Yes SOO is big,& it takes alot of focus off the NRL,for about 6 weeks ,But these players are professionals & when it is over it is back to trying to win the comp for your club.
Players can get injured at training,in pre season games ,or rep games ,& as a cowboys fan my club is affected just as much as anyone .But that is part of RL..
If you are not from QLD or NSW it might be hard to understand,but you can have passion for club footy,& rep footy.
To have a rep season is a bonus ,to see the best players out there is a great spectacle.
June 17th 2012 @ 10:54pm
Jonno said | June 17th 2012 @ 10:54pm | Report comment
I grew up watching NSW thrash Qld every time. Our local boys could often stay in touch in the first half and then NSW would run away with it after the break. And the best players from my home town would occasionally get to play for NSW.
Poker machine money bought the cream of Qld players year after year. Even with SOO, we wondered if we would have the population to produce enough stars to match the much larger NSW.
Then Qld won SOO 1! The most exhilarating result of my life.
To me it’s the greatest comp of the year.
I like club games, but I am not steadfastly behind any one team. I like to see the Sharkies, Broncos and Cowboys win. I like to see the Chooks and Manly lose. But I don’t really care the way I do about QUEENSLAND.
June 17th 2012 @ 9:47am
Edward Kelly said | June 17th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Representative footy and how it drives players and fans, something fans that only follow AFL will never understand. Questioning Origin seems to be an annual event for southerners, perhaps now they can see it live (finally!) they may start to get it.
And good on Bellamy for what was a classy interview on an AFL show, shame the NRL shows lack any serious mature analysis of the game (although fox is getting better).
June 17th 2012 @ 9:55am
Col Quinn said | June 17th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Of course it is, the Grandfinal is the completion of a club competition. SOO is representative football. It is the next level up. It should be the yard stick to measure selection for the national squad. SOO is far more important than the Grandfinal.
AFL understands this. The AFL players understand this. There is a ground swell among AFL players to have a representative competition. Why some RL supporters and adminaistrators dont understand this is beyond me.
June 17th 2012 @ 10:20am
p.Tah said | June 17th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Col if SOO is the yard stick to measure selection for the nation squad, is Kangeroo selection more important than Origin selection?
June 17th 2012 @ 10:45am
Col Quinn said | June 17th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Of course. p.Tah is Tah slection more important than Wallaby selection?
June 17th 2012 @ 1:43pm
p.Tah said | June 17th 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Col, good point but the Rugby World Cup and Bledisloe Cups are the pinnacle for Australian rugby players so yes Wallabies selection is the ultimate for them, however IMO SOO is the pinnacle for Rugby League players. In a hypothetical situation where Australan players had to choose between playing NZ and England in the 4 Nations or playing SOO I think the players would choose SOO selection over Kangeroos selection.
June 17th 2012 @ 3:11pm
Col Quinn said | June 17th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Amazingly, from discussion with several current and past Kangaroos, no, their countries selection is the pininacle. In spite of some recent local press reports the England RL has a very good chance of rolling Australia, as the gap between SL and NRL has narrowed as a result of impressive grass roots work by the RFL. What attracts current players to SOO is the lucrative match fee.
June 17th 2012 @ 4:08pm
Leaguecoach101 said | June 17th 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
” England RL has a very good chance of rolling Australia, as the gap between SL and NRL has narrowed as a result of impressive grass roots work by the RFL. What attracts current players to SOO is the lucrative match fee.”
Your logic is working against itself there. Players can make far more from playing Super League or playing European or Japanese club Rugby than they can from playing State of Origin. The money I’m sure is nice but I’m willing to bet a lot of those players would do it for no fee at all.
Origin is the most competitive top level Rugby League on earth. Those players know that they are playing some of the strongest players in a the world. The only thing that stops it from being the absolute best of the best is the absence of NZ players like Marshall and Vatuvai.
Superleague up the level of NRL? Don’t make me laugh….
June 17th 2012 @ 4:38pm
Col Quinn said | June 17th 2012 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
Hey Leaguecoach101,
go there and watch a some of the games live. Dont listen to Gould. What will you say if England win the World Cup? Player dont make more playing Super League as the exchange rate has taken care of that. Why do you think there is a drift of player back to Australia as their SL contract finish? Some of the Australian RL player are in France and Japan but this to keep their playing (or paying) career going after they start to struggle at RL. Go have a talk to current Kangaroos about what they feel about the current English Test players. There is a high degree of respect and some apprehension about next year. Sport does go in cycles.
June 17th 2012 @ 9:18pm
Leaguecoach101 said | June 17th 2012 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
“go there and watch a some of the games live. Dont listen to Gould. What will you say if England win the World Cup?”
I’ll say the same thing I said about the last world cup – ‘shit the Kiwi’s were lucky to beat the best team in the world in such an important game.’
i’d be the first to get on board if it was true – but when Superleague players come here and start talking about the transition into the ‘intensity’ and ‘speed’ of the NRL you get the feeling that perhaps the competitions aren’t entirely level.
I’m sure there are some amazing players in Superleague. Just not enough to them to match it with the NRL at the moment. And that’s unlkely to change while Rugby League is a forth or fifth tier game in the UK and a first or second (depending on where you live) game in Australia. They simply haven’t the talent pool to match ours yet and probably never will.
June 18th 2012 @ 12:28pm
Ronnie the Eel said | June 18th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Still don’t agree – if you asked any of the players what is the most challenging and intense games of the season – and you would have to bet with SOO games still being the most challenging and toughest mentally games to play – most professional players want that extra challenge associated with playing Origin and enjoy the intensity and passion that surrounds the product of Origin Football…. you may only agree with playing for Australia over your State or as a fan from a mainly objective and hierarchical sense of knowing that your country is at a larger level than your state…. although obviously some of the players would choose playing for Aus over their State
although playing for Australia still would have a high pride of place for league players – the intensity and motivation of one of the greatest rivalries in any sport (that is SOO) over 32 years has far surpassed the closing gap of quality of performance between Australia, Engalnd and NZ, for example.
June 18th 2012 @ 7:39am
Crosscoder said | June 18th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
Players involved with the Kangaroos vsiting the Uk,wwould suggest otherwise p.Tah.And no doubt when they are selected for RLWC 2013.
SOO is the most intense of any games in rugby league,but players still aspire to represent their country.
that is why having a three tiered system,is so great about the code.
June 17th 2012 @ 4:12pm
Dubble Bubble said | June 17th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
I wonder what would happen if you were to ask 100 random players if they got a choice between playing exclusively Origin football or exclusively for Australia for any rep games they may get selected in, which one would they choose?.I wonder what the response would be.Also if you asked them a similar question such as if they only got to play one rep game in their whole career would it be a State of Origin or a game for Australia?
June 18th 2012 @ 2:04pm
Crosscoder said | June 18th 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Well double Bubble it’s a hypothetical,because it wont happen.SOO and Test(s) are in place ,and with Grant (a former intnl winger heading theARLC) ,it will forever remain so.
If the players were to earn more playing test football,I can you a definitive answer.
Let me suggest to you,having a Kangaroo rep jumper in their study,is just as much prized as a SOO one.I have asked one A Beetson about 8 years ago,and know his answer.
Simple maths a lot less chosen for the Roos jumper,than state jumpers.
June 18th 2012 @ 4:00pm
JVGO said | June 18th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
I think the task is to rebuild Test football to the level it once was so that it is on par with origin again as a contest. Test football attracted the biggest crowds up until the early 70′s. I guess this would take a sustained period of dominance from either NZ or Great Britain. Both teams are increasingly competitive but not yet dominant like the great Britain teams of the past. Anzac Test is getting there if they can stick with it. Super League is improving and as Burgess and Ellis and Tomkyns show GB are capable of providing the talent.