Where are the Socceroos heading?
By bennyp, 20 Jun 2012 bennyp is a Roar Rookie
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Now I’m a big fan of the Socceroos. I love watching them play and will no matter what. Their most recent result, to draw against Japan, was a very solid performance.
But, in all honesty, it seems that Holger Osieck is still relying too much on the players that are swinging closer to the older side, rather than young. For example, the match against Oman was the oldest team the Socceroos have ever put on the pitch.
Also, there was no Timmy Cahill or Josh Kennedy. Instead Archie Thompson and Alex Brosque started up front. Now, Brosque has won me over with his efforts against Japan, and I can now see why he is playing. But Archie Thompson is a has been. No offence to you Victory supporters, he plays very well in the A-League, but I don’t believe he is national team material anymore.
Also it frustrates me that Kennedy was not played at all, especially when he has been a key striker in the J-League now for the past few seasons, being joint top scorer, and was last year’s golden boot winner.
I like Osieck’s theory of no matter where you play, as long as you’re in form you have every chance of playing for your country. In fact I believe this has strongly impacted on the A-League, drawing big names like Emerton and Kewell, as well as possibly delaying the move overseas of a few youngsters.
My problem lies overseas in Europe. We have players over there, working their trade, trying very hard to make it big. Players such as Scott McDonald playing for Middlesborough, Richard Garcia (currently a free agent but was playing in the Championship last season) and Neil Kilkenny playing for Bristol City. These guys, along with a long list of young players, are training at a higher intensity, playing harder opponents, and most likely having a better perception of the game than those playing in Asia.
I’m not trying to put down Asian football, or the players that play there at all. But unfortunately, due to Olsieck’s view, it seems that not enough players are stepping up outside of Asia.
This means that he is relying heavily on the more experienced Socceroos, instead of giving others a chance.
Maybe I’m blind and clearly we are selecting the best Socceroos outfit for every match. But due to the last few squads that have been selected, I don’t see a strong future for the Socceroos as half the squad will not be playing come the 2014 World Cup.
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June 20th 2012 @ 10:47am
langou said | June 20th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
“I don’t see a strong future for the Socceroos as half the squad will not be playing come the 2014 World Cup”
This is where many Australian football fans don’t get it. We can’t be thinking about who will be available in 2014 because there is a good chance we will not make the World Cup. Nothing to do with our squad, our team, our coach but simply the reality that football is the world game, we are a minnow and Asia is full of good football nations who are continuing to develop and grow. Ten good football nations are fighting for 4 ½ spots and it will be tough.
Maybe it’s the younger set of Socceroos fans that have grown up getting to see their country play at the World Cup every four years and now expect it will happen. The truth is we need everything to go our way, need a good run of injuries, need to grind out draws away from home and keeping in mind we have the past two Asian Cup winners in our group need to be switched on when playing at home.
You don’t rebuild when it comes to national football teams. You can experiment in friendlies but when it comes to World Cup qualifiers (and Asian Cup qualifiers for that matter) you need your best team on the park to ensure that you have every chance to qualify for these two prestigious events.
June 20th 2012 @ 11:21am
Rob said | June 20th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Gotta say it. You are trolling aren’t you? You seem unhappy about HO relying on older players yet recommend he brings in guys around 30? Scott McDonald 25 or so caps, no goals. None. Has had his chance. At age 29 he is not going to get any better. Bring back Richard Garcia? He’s over 30 and has no club. Neil Kilkenny, in the squad, but doesn’t get much game time. Why? Too slow? Too crap? Who knows? I actually like him, but he’s not better than the guys that play in front of him.
I also would prefer if Archie was not in the team (only due to his age), but you know what? He came on against Saudi Arabia and changed the game when we were down. He had a blinder. That’s why he is getting a game. If Kruse, Ruka and Leckie can really get their act together in Germany next season they will come in and Archie will fall down the pecking order. But if they don’t? You don’t drop guys who do OK.
As for Kennedy he more than likely had issues with his back. He has played a lot, and continues to be a part of the team.
Our issue is that we don’t have younger guys coming through demanding to get picked the way the current/previous generation did. Viduka – topscorer in the NSL as an 18 year old. Kewell starting games in EPL at 17. Bresh & Grella helping their team to win promotion to Serie A. None of the younger guys are doing stuff like this. We need to be realistic and say we don’t have great players but we have a pretty good team. We don’t have great depth, so we work with what we have.
June 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Qantas supports Australian Football said | June 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
That about sums it up… The young guys are not good enough at present and you have to earn the shirt not just be given one because you are under 25yrs or there about.. Perform well at club level or forget it!
June 20th 2012 @ 11:49am
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | June 20th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
What it boils down too and some have already stated this is that we seemed to have skipped a generation of real class players,our players aged 25 to 30 are definatley not the strongest the Socceroos have ever had.I do however think there are some promising youngsters coming through,heres a few.
Matthew Leckie:Had a bit of a difficult first season in Germany mainly through having niggling injuries all throughout the season,is highly rated by the club and should get plenty of opportunities this season with Glad’blach playing in Europe.
Brad Inman:Nicknamed Kaka by his teamates because of his skill and physical likeness to the Brazilian,also had a rough season through injury as well with major knee surgery,apparently was 1 of only 3 of the older reserves(he’s now 20)to be given a new contract so obviously Newcastle see something in him.
Corey Grameiro:19 year old striker at Fulham,just offered a contract extension at the club should be looking at getting some loan time in the Championship this season.
Ryan Williams:19 year old Midfielder and younger brother of Rhys,was very highly rated at Portsmouth and made several apperances for the first team before Fulham snapped him up when Pompey went into administration.
Dylan Tombides:18 year striker and West Ham Academy player of the season in 2010.Was supposed to be a break out season for Dylan last year with West Ham in the Championship but obviously was cruelly diagnosed with testicular cancer.Dylan is back fully training and is another who will probably see some loan time and hopefully some first team action this year.Of course we all hope he is in the clear now and can live a normal life,football is irrelevent.
Of course these are players with potential and it can go either way but you thow in guys like Oar,Zullo,Bulut,Curtis Good,Babalj and Rogic(who i think could be absolutely brilliant)and the future doesn’t look so dire.I think also people need to understand the days of the wonderkid like Kewell are gone,the Prem and other 1st divisions are so cut throat now managers are not keen to give the younger players a go but once they hit 21-22 they really need to be in the first team.
June 20th 2012 @ 1:56pm
Midfielder said | June 20th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
Maybe its not as bad as some make out to a list added above … lots of player below many in the youth or reserve teams but most under 25…
Players listed above
Brad Inman
Corey Grameiro
Ryan Williams
Dylan Tombides
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Musty Amini –
Alex Baird …. Newcastle
Mitchell Austin …. Stalybridge Celtic in England
Thomas Beading … Southerland
Nathern Burns..
Caira, Reece Aston Villa
Cameron Edwards … Reading
Ryan Edwards … Reading
Christian Esposito, … FC Catanzaro (Italy)
Adam Federici … Reading
Nick Feely … Celtic Scotland
Jordan Fitzharris, ….Portsmouth
Giancarlo Gallifuoco, …Tottenham Hotspur
Dean Gardikiotis, …. Blackpool
James Georgeff, …. FC Neubrandenburg
Andreas Govas, …. AO Kavala
Alex Grant ….Portsmouth
Ersan Gulum, …Besiktas [Turkey]
Chris Herd … Aston Villa
Andrew Higgins, …. Portsmouth
James Holland … Austria Wien
Jackson Irvine, …. Celtic (Scotland
Liam Jacob, ….. Manchester United ….. Like ya ya ya ya
Tomi Juric, …. NK Lokomotiva Zagreb
Neil Kilkenny, …. Bristol City
Tom King …. Liverpool … like yay ya ya
Billy Konstantinidis, …. AEP Iraklis (Greece)
Josip Konyit, …. NK Dinamo Zagreb
Shane Lowry … Aston Villa
Massimo Luongo, … Tottenham Hotspur
Steven Lustica, … Hajduk Split (Croatia)
Aden Luz, …. CD Nacional (Youth) (Portugal)
Lyden, Jordan … Lustica, Steven
Aden Luz, … CD Nacional (Portugal)
Jordan Lyden …. Aston Villa
Jamie Maclaren, …. Blackburn Rovers (England)
Sasa Macura, …. MTK Budapest (Hungary)
Theo Markelis, …. Vicenza Calcio (Italy)
Andrew Marveggio….SC Telstar (Netherlands)
Ryan Marveggio ….. SC Telstar (Netherlands)
Ryan McGowan,…. Hearts (Scotland)
Brent McGrath,…. Brondby IF (Denmark)
James Meredith……York City (England)
Joel Mikhael,……..Poli. Virtus Castelfranco (Italy)
Park, Matthew … Hearts (Scotland)
Caleb Patterson-Sewell,……Atletico Clube Portgual (Portugal)
Jacob Poscoliero…….Sandona Jessolo Calcio (Italy)
Mark Pullman,…..Bala Town (Wales)
Andy Rakic……FC Victoria Rosport (Luxembourg)
Brad Smith,….. Liverpool (England)
Robert Stambolziev……AO Proodeftiki Nikea (Greece)
Franceso Stella ….USD Borgo A Buggiano 1920 (Italy)
Jonathan Stynes,….Kilmarnock (Scotland)
Chris Sullivan, ….. Apollon Kalamarias (Greece)
Christos Tomaras,….Paniliakos (Greece)
Warren, Marc ….Sheffield United (England)
James Wesolowski, ……Oldham Athletic (England)
Aryn Williams,….Burnley (England)
June 20th 2012 @ 4:30pm
bennyp said | June 20th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
Wow this is promising! Cheers
June 20th 2012 @ 6:44pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | June 20th 2012 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
Just read Leckie will be getting a loan spell with FSV Frankfurt in Bundesliga 2 a qoute from their sporting director”We remain convinced of Matthew,but believe its very important at this time to gain playing experience at a high level”,so yeah this could be a good move and will prove once and for all if he’s good enough which i believe he is
June 21st 2012 @ 11:54am
Daniel said | June 21st 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
90% of the names on your lists will not make it as international footballers.
A few such as Tom Rogic, Terry Antonis, Dylan Tombides, Kerem Bulut, Chris Herd, Brent McGrath definitely have the talent and probably will make it all the way and perhaps Tommy Oar, Matt Leckie and Brad Inman (if he doesn’t decide to throw his lot in with Scotland) as well if all goes well for them.
But one name that definitely will make it is the Tottenham U17′s attacking midfielder – George Mells.
Cheers
June 21st 2012 @ 7:01pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | June 21st 2012 @ 7:01pm | Report comment
Just read Troisi has been signed by Juventus who will loan him out for the first year of his contract to a newly promoted Serie A side so that will be great for him.Good to see he turned down mega bucks in the middle east to play in a much higher standard.
June 21st 2012 @ 7:35pm
Brick Tamlin of the Pants Party said | June 21st 2012 @ 7:35pm | Report comment
To be fair Jade North should not be an International footballer either but there you go.Not heard of this George Mells kid he’s getting talked up abit is he?
June 20th 2012 @ 2:05pm
Hoolifan said | June 20th 2012 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Don’t give a damn about ages, just worry about qualifying first!
A long way to go and a lot of obstacles to overcome first.
Our new generation is pretty poor. It will be a lost generation, we all know that, so you just don’t give away caps because of age. You gotta be the best.
June 20th 2012 @ 2:32pm
Token said | June 20th 2012 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
Very uneducated post.
- Cahill started the game with Brosque not Archie. This was the premise to the whole article and it was entirely false.
- Grossly underrating the Asian leagues. They are closing the gap on European leagues very quickly.
The J league and K league is much better at producing the type of players that suite international football than the championship.
Only good thing about the championship is it’s a close stepping stone to the PL.
- The players you suggest we should call up are old and have done alot worse in the Socceroos than the Asian guys are doing now.
McDonald and Kilkenny have not done well at all.
Quite a number of Championship players have been relative failures while our J and K League Aussies have been taking their call ups with both hands and earning regular spots. (Ogenovski, North, McKay, Kennedy, Brosque, Milligan).
You should seriously rethink your opinion of Asian football if you consider the Championship to be “training at a higher intensity, playing harder opponents, and most likely having a better perception of the game than those playing in Asia”.
June 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm
bennyp said | June 20th 2012 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
No that’s fair and iv written this too see what other people’s opinions are, so I gain a stronger understanding of everything. I feel the Asian leagues are improving though
June 20th 2012 @ 2:38pm
Midfielder said | June 20th 2012 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
Fuss
Breaking new MV have signed their new striker considered to be the Malaysian Neyma
June 21st 2012 @ 5:10am
chris davies said | June 21st 2012 @ 5:10am | Report comment
@ token ” you got no clue about football mate comparing the j and k add in LMNOP of the asian leagues with the english championship! championship is full of quality players from all around the world.. if josh kennedy is top scorer of the J league that pretty much tells us the standard of it. how come matt mckay who went to scotland which is a step down of championship couldn’t get a kick there should know something about football before telling someone they dont know
one comment i 100 % agree on Aus got no one coming through such as the likes of kewell viduka etc that golden generation still carryin out footballing nation. Thompson still the one of the best in the a league and only aussie with some PACE!!!! Just going to have to face some years of poor results and be happy if we qualify as dont see us putting much of a fight in the group stages..
June 24th 2012 @ 11:08pm
Token said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:08pm | Report comment
Terrible arguments.
Kennedy does well in the J league and the Socceroos. McDonald does well in the championship but not the Socceroos.
Rangers are better than most championship teams. but McKay had a fall out with the manager and was not used. When he played he picked up man of the match once (against Newcastle) and got an assist the other time.
Also, it’s not as simple as which league is better. They are different styles. The J League is a style better suited to international football.
In the championship you can get away with a lack of foot skills in most teams but not in the J league which requires more technical ability.
June 21st 2012 @ 11:17pm
VootballKid said | June 21st 2012 @ 11:17pm | Report comment
Based on Midfielder’s post it seems the future isn’t so bleak. Socceroos will have a decent team albeit with a few less big names like Viduka, Kewell, Cahill…or maybe there are few surprises in the pipeline? Let’s hope so.
June 22nd 2012 @ 4:57pm
drom5343 said | June 22nd 2012 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Take the best squad from Midfielder’s list and put them up against the Socceroos team that played Japan. I’d be interested to watch. Perhaps the youngsters will pass the ball and play with some dash, while the seniors go route 1 to “St.Timmy”?