Five Wallabies in former Guscott’s World XV
By The Crowd, 23 Jun 2012 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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An interesting question was put to Jeremy Guscott this week. The former test match rugby great and current BBC expert rugby commentator was asked to name a current World XV having seen this month’s test rugby.
One thing about Guscott is that he is not one to mince his words. His insistence on being as critical as he is positive on player performance does set high standards for other commentators.
He is as insightful as he is confident and this self assurance exudes his authority as being one of the more reliable thinkers of the game.
Indeed we should take note of what he says.
The former centre named five Australians, five South Africans, four New Zealnders and one Englishman in what he considers the most ‘in form players’ in the world and there were some initial surprises.
Possibly the biggest surprise was Berrick Barnes getting the nod at fly half considering his poor form for the Waratahs which would have seen him realistically being the fifth choice as the Wallaby no 10. It does give a great deal of credence to the notion that some players are more suited to Test rugby than provincial rugby. No one that follows the game intently can deny that Barnes’ performances have led to the Wallaby series win as much as the other four Australians’ named.
His selection of Pat McCabe at his beloved outside centre could be called a complete vindication of something Robbie Deans saw in a fledgling full back twelve months ago.
Shame on those that were so quick to write this young talent off when Deans first put him into the centres! He has now done something many Aussies before him have never done. He has earned the respect of an English rugby great.
Another one of the Australians selected was Scott Higginbotham who just last month was as un-heard of in the UK as our dear Prime Minister, what-ever-her-name-is or as my wife calls her ‘that special-needs lady’. Well done to a much improved backrower indeed.
Of course Poock and Genia were the other two Wallabies named. You’d have to be Richie McCaw or Kahn Fotuali’I to argue against that.
So here is Guscott’s current world XV on form;
Israel Dagg; Julian Savea, Pat McCabe, Sonny Bill Williams, Bryan Habana; Berrick Barnes, Will Genia; Tendai ‘Beast’ Mtawarira, Bismarck du Plessis, Dan Cole, Eben Etzebeth, Juandre Kruger, Scott Higginbotham, David Pocock, Kieran Read
Roarers, do you think this should silence some of the critics of the Wallaby team and its selectors? What changes would you make if you were to sit at a world XV selection table with the great Guscott?
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June 23rd 2012 @ 5:40am
Quince said | June 23rd 2012 @ 5:40am | Report comment
If it’s on current, latest form, Wolf, then Savea doesn’t make the cut. Nor does the Beast. Nor does Kruger. Jeremy was wonderfully fast for a centre and I’m astonished he picked the not-so-quick McCabe. SBW and Conrad Smith would be most people’s choice for the midfield. If he’s overlooking present injuries, then Carter over Barnes.
Full disclosure – I’m not a Kiwi. I’m an, apparently, traitorous Aussie.
June 23rd 2012 @ 5:58am
Colin N said | June 23rd 2012 @ 5:58am | Report comment
If it’s solely based on the June tours which it seems to be, I would have Alberts over Higginbotham. Also, weren’t two of Savea’s tries effectively walk-ins?
McCabe? Hmmmmm.
June 23rd 2012 @ 7:37pm
The Werewolf said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:37pm | Report comment
Many thanks for your fair comment.
You are not traitorous for calling it the way you see it all. never let anyone tell you otherwise.
This is by no means the team I’d have chosen but I do think if you had only watched the June tests Barnes would get the nod over Carter. I think Carter has been okay and is obviously the better player but not these past two matches.
McCabe’s selection is high praise indeed. Guscott obviously recognises the game has changed as has the role of the centres..
June 24th 2012 @ 11:43am
Kane said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
If it’s just June tests surely Smith is ahead of Genia
June 24th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
You can’t be traitorouos if you are disagreeing with an English rugby great!
June 23rd 2012 @ 5:51am
Johnno said | June 23rd 2012 @ 5:51am | Report comment
What about flying dutchmanTim Visser he must be a serious candidate for Birtish lions tour 2013.
June 23rd 2012 @ 6:10am
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:10am | Report comment
I’m not stating an opinion on Deans and his selections, but if anything this does nothing to silence the doubters as Guscott isn’t taken that seriously in England. His punditry isn’t particularly impressive and you always get the impression he doesn’t really watch games. Personally I think this selection is pretty farcical. Higginbotham over Alberts? Mtawarira over Healy? Etzebeth & Kruger over Ryan? Dagg over Kearney? SBW over Frans Steyn?
Most UK scribes seem far too OTT in their praise of SH rugby (based on stereotype rather than reality) and seem to love to cr*p all over the Home Nations.
June 23rd 2012 @ 6:21am
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:21am | Report comment
Hang on… McCabe for Conrad Smith?!
June 23rd 2012 @ 8:42am
Jerry said | June 23rd 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
I wouldn’t say Dagg over Kearney is that contentious based on the June tests – they’ve pretty much split the honours as far as outplaying each other, but I’d say Dagg’s first test performance was probably the best outing of any fullback thus far.
June 23rd 2012 @ 5:25pm
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
I thought Kearney was pretty good in the first Test IMO. He got bounced by Savea once, but he put in some big hits and made some good ground, but fair enough…
June 23rd 2012 @ 11:13am
El Gamba said | June 23rd 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
“far too OTT in their praise of SH rugby (based on stereotype rather than reality)”
Couldn’t agree more. Hold on, England, Ireland, Wales and France have not won one game against Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Argentina. That one damn fact simply perpetuates the otherwise unfounded stereotype.
June 23rd 2012 @ 5:29pm
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 5:29pm | Report comment
This selection proves my point though.
June 23rd 2012 @ 7:39pm
The Werewolf said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:39pm | Report comment
I would beg to differ. Many find Guscott arrogant but he is one of the commentators that risks unpopularity by calling the good with the bad. that often ruffles feathers for those that want puff piece journalism.
June 24th 2012 @ 4:26am
Ben S said | June 24th 2012 @ 4:26am | Report comment
I just think it’s obvious that he doesn’t really pay much attention to games. He used to give his Aviva Premiership picks on the BBC sport website, and his picks were always woeful.
June 23rd 2012 @ 6:30am
S T Rineestee.rine@gmail.com said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:30am | Report comment
Wait a moment, Why are giving Guscott the credence to know what a good team is?
To my recollection he was OK, not great like Campo, Wilks, Neal Back, even Dalaglio (?), good,
but typical of NH ‘stars’ – swift, quick, etc., with space, but when they met SH
teams they were found wanting?
Maybe someone has a tape to say I’m wrong & I’ll be happy to admit it
S T
June 23rd 2012 @ 6:42am
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
Starting Lions centre in 1989, 1993 and 1997… Generally noted as the most dangerous English back of that period…
I happened to be reading Percy Mongtomery’s book the other day, and Montgomery made numerous references to Guscott being world class and a star of the game. It was probably unfortunate that he played for England in a period when they had such a powerful and technically strong pack.
June 23rd 2012 @ 10:41am
Harry said | June 23rd 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Suggest you go back and have a look at the 1989 Lions series v the Wallabies, particularly the last 20 minutes of the Brisbane test. Guscott was a world class centre, no doubt about that.
June 23rd 2012 @ 11:17am
Lats said | June 23rd 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Couple of guys have already mentioned Guscott in the 1989 Lions tour. The guy was good no question, he had “ball skills” that you would normally associate with a SH centre.. (stereotype I know).
So I rate the guy highly, think he might have had a blinder against Australia in England in a one off centennial game in the UK , 1988.. . ??
LIke his views as well, he seems to give the SH players a better wrap than some of his NH colleagues.
June 23rd 2012 @ 6:42am
Johnno said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
Scotland no 8dave denton and wales no 6 dan lydiatte have been superb this year.
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June 23rd 2012 @ 7:42pm
The Werewolf said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:42pm | Report comment
Agree Lydiate is better than Higginbotham but Denton has been injured and Guscott has obviously named a June test xv..
June 23rd 2012 @ 6:45am
Sailosi said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:45am | Report comment
If he’s picking a true world xv on form then Contepomi walks in at 12, he’s scored 36 points in his last 2 tests. Or are we ignoring the ‘world’ again.
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June 23rd 2012 @ 6:47am
Demers said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
WEREWOLF – You wouldn’t have chosen anything like that side. Jeremy was just having a 47-year-old moment.
BEN – Good to see you up and around again. And I hope that rash cleared up. Boks by 12, what d’you reckon?
June 23rd 2012 @ 7:29am
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
Erm… Not too sure, tbh. Were Corbisiero fit then I’d have predicted an England win. Marler has acquited himself well for a 21 year old, but Corbisiero really lifted the scrum and allowed Dan Cole to ruin Mtawarira. Corbisiero starting and Marler as a sub also gave England a strong bench option. As we have seen at the end of the first Test (and in previous matches for England) Doran-Jones is not an international scrummager. That physical edge in the tight could be a real loss.
I think starting Palmer is a mistake, as he doesn’t hit rucks like Botha. He’s a good player, and very mobile etc, but he isn’t a ruck donkey, which I think is what you need in the first 30 minutes against the Boks. Neither Palmer or Parling is a natural front jumper either. I also think Robshaw is a huge loss. I wasn’t sold on Robshaw prior to this series, but he’s been inspirational and strong at the breakdown. I also have concerns that Haskell, his replacement, is a real penalty magnet, and simply too leaden footed for a 7.
I’m content to see Goode get a start at 15, and Care too. Goode is a clever player and a good counter attacker with a cultured boot, and I’d hope to see Care really lift the tempo and try and bring Waldrom and Tuilagi into the game. Goode can also fill in at first receiver if Flood gets bogged down defensively.
IMO SA’s two best players this series have been Frans Steyn and Alberts. Alberts in particular has been so, so powerful. With those two not setting up go-forward ball England shouldn’t (in theory) be getting dragged backwards non-stop and missing so many first-up tackles.
I do think the England midfield is imbalanced, but with a new 9 and 15 it makes sense to give Tuilagi and Joseph another run out together. Joseph made a number of errors last week and so will be looking to rectify that this week.
Not sure about Foden on the wing… but SA do like to kick, and I’m no fan of Strettle,
If SA win by 12 I’ll be very impressed. I think they’ve lost their two best players, and two players who really set the tone of their game.
June 23rd 2012 @ 7:42pm
The Werewolf said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:42pm | Report comment
No I would not have chosen some of these players but it is interesting reading.
June 23rd 2012 @ 6:59am
ScotandProud said | June 23rd 2012 @ 6:59am | Report comment
I think he’s picking from the Aus AB RSA tests of the last fortnight that he’s picking from so no, not world really.
Don’t know about those picks…
Guscott was a Rolls Royce of a centre who had it all – unfortunately his game coincided with England’s “up the jumper” days when they didn’t spread the ball as much as they did in say 2002. 89 / 90 he revelled in the English game but then they went very conservative march 1990 onwards.
He also struggled for a long time with a groin injury that affected his game and his confidence. If he’d have been in the Aussie or AB set up I think we would have seen better of him.
In terms of ability I’d put him and Carling up there with the best centre pairings. in terms of performances I’d put Horan-Little and Little-Bunce ahead of them.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:02pm
Terry Te Kani said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:02pm | Report comment
Guscott & Carling were no match for Horan & Little or for Bunce & Walter Little. SH Combinations were ruthless in there exercution the way both carried out there rolls for there teams, I’m a Kiwi, but have alot of respect for Tim Horan & Little, They were very good as any in any generation of centre pairing going.
June 23rd 2012 @ 7:24am
biltongbek said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:24am | Report comment
I checked the stats and performances of all the props, and Cian Healy is by far the best loosehead this mnth, he has made more tackles, missed the least tackles, made the most running meters and had the best work rate of all the looseheads.
June 23rd 2012 @ 7:39am
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
The thing with Healy is that he has always been an awesome physical specimen. He’s a ball of pure muscle. I recall reading about him as an Ireland age group star years ago, and in the picture they had of him he was built like a tank even then. He was probably rushed into Test rugby far too early, and he did really struggle in some scrums, but it was always apparent that he had great potential as a rugby player. His work rate and ability to break tackles and make hits etc was up there with the very best. Since he’s tightened his scrummaging up IMHO he has become arguably the top loosehead prop in the world. I think he’s an awesome player.
June 23rd 2012 @ 7:46am
biltongbek said | June 23rd 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
I think Coenie Oosthuizen is a similar type prop for SA, unfortunately his neck injruy might rule him out for the AI’s, but apart from his general play he has been the best pilferer in the currie cup two years running, anf considering he plays with Heinrich Brussow, that says a lot.
June 23rd 2012 @ 8:38am
Ben S said | June 23rd 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Agreed. He’s another powerhouse too. Very dynamic player, and a really awkward build to scrummage against too. I still think he would be better suited to 1 than 3, however.
June 23rd 2012 @ 11:15am
Rusty said | June 23rd 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
yes that is his best position at the moment as thats where he has been playing for the last few years. As discussed though – what SA needs it more depth and if we had to be honest a truly world class tight head
June 23rd 2012 @ 2:40pm
biltongbek said | June 23rd 2012 @ 2:40pm | Report comment
Yeah we are i dire need of tight head props, werer Kruger has now been pummeled vs OZ, NZ ad ow England, he should go scrum for the girl scouts.
I think Meyer is tryig to fid a prop that ca scrum both sides, hence his eagerness to test Coenie at 1 and 3
June 23rd 2012 @ 8:27am
nickoldschool said | June 23rd 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
It’s certainly A June world XV but not THE June world XV, first and foremost because most games have been quite close and i don’t see many stand outs who have secured a jersey. A couple of Irish front rowers should be in the mix, a couple of Welsh guys (Bradley davies & Ryan Jones, even Halfpenny), Dan Carter for Barnes, Franz Steyn and Conrad Smith in the centres, Alberts etc…
June 24th 2012 @ 12:18pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Good points