Pocock the difference against Wales
By David Lord, 24 Jun 2012 David Lord is a Roar Expert
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David Pocock led from the front against Wales (AAP Image/Paul Miller)
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The difference between the Wallabies winning their Test series with Wales 3-0 and the tourists winning 3-0 was just one standout – Wallaby skipper David Pocock.
Big call? No, deadly accurate.
Yesterday, in front of a record rugby crowd at Allianz Stadium of 43,889, the Wallabies fell over the line 20-19 to complete the clean sweep of 27-19 and 25-23. Just a total of 11 points difference in 240 minutes of rugby.
Make no mistake, the Welsh could have, and probably should have, won all three internationals.
But the inspirational 23-year-old open-side flanker stood tall, kept his cool under tremendous pressure to marshall his troops by leading from the front, and has all the makings of an Andrew Slack, Nick Farr-Jones, and John Eales to be among the best Wallaby skippers Australia has produced in the last 30 years.
No better example than during the 55th minute yesterday. With the Wallabies leading 12-9, Kurtley Beale broke clear in midfield after a brilliant flick pass from lock Sitaleki Timani. With only Welsh full-back Leigh Halfpenny to beat, Beale chip-kicked into wide open spaces 30 metres out.
At Beale’s pace it was cut and dried.
But Halfpenny deliberately set himself to late tackle Beale, and brought him down. It had to be a penalty try, or a penalty right in front at worst. “Play on,” called referee Craig Joubert to massive boos from the big crowd.
In just 22 seconds Wales went from being under the pump to a five metre scrum at the other end of the field.
Five minutes later, after hammering the Wallaby line, Wales scored to take a 16-12 lead. That disgraceful Joubert decision cost the Wallabies 14 points – the seven they were denied, to the gift seven to Wales.
Most Wallaby sides would have tossed it in at that stage. But not this Pocock-led unit.
Three minutes later centre Rob Horne crashed over for a try to regain the lead 17-16, but that was a dicey decision as well from the TMO Vinny Munro. There was no way Horne was in control of the ball that slipped from his possession as he dived for the line with Halfpenny in attendance.
A square-up decision? It sure looked like it, but justice was done in the net result.
After swapping penalties from Halfpenny (4/5), and Berrick Barnes (5/5), Joubert blew time at 20-19.
Pocock apart, who again somehow managed to squeeze 100 minutes worth of positive rugby into 80, Will Genia was a huge improvement on his second Test showing, winger Digby Ioane was always busy, so too locks Nathan Sharpe and Timani.
The Wallabies return to Super Rugby this week, and regroup in August for the first two games of the inaugural Rugby Championship, both against the All Blacks in successive weeks at ANZ, and Eden Park.
That will be the real litmus test for David Pocock’s new-look men-in-gold. By then Quade Cooper, Drew Mitchell, and Joe Tomane will make backline selection very difficult.
But what a nice problem to have.
Up front, hooker Stephen Moore must replace Tatafu Polata-Nau. Moore’s lineout feeding isn’t crash hot, but Polata-Nau’s is woeful. James Slipper will figure prominently for a prop spot.
And young gun locks Cadeyrn Neville and Hugh Pyle will press for recognition for the remainder of the Super season.
Depth, that’s what wins big tournaments. And the Rugby Championship definitely qualifies for that category.
The rest is up to coach Robbie Deans. The clean sweeping of Wales should leave him very bouyant now his win percentage has at last hit 60.
The Wallabies proved yesterday they can run the ball. And long may they do just that.
Especially Berrick Barnes who has come into his own this series. And it’s improved his goal-kicking as well as his confidence has grown.
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June 24th 2012 @ 4:58am
Colin N said | June 24th 2012 @ 4:58am | Report comment
“But Halfpenny deliberately set himself to late tackle Beale, and brought him down.”
Que? He just stood there and Beale ran into him from what I saw.
June 24th 2012 @ 5:13am
David Lord said | June 24th 2012 @ 5:13am | Report comment
Not so CN. When Beale put foot to ball, Halfpenny wasn’t even in the frame. The first time we saw him was both arms outstretched as Beale moved to his left to avoid him. Halfpenny moved to his right and completed the tackle taking Beale out of the play late. Deliberate alright.
June 24th 2012 @ 6:26am
King of the Gorgonites said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:26am | Report comment
I disagree David, the replays I saw showed Beale running into him. Halfpenny held is line and ground. It’s one of those things. I certainly didn’t cost oz 14 points as you claim.
You said wales could and should have won all 3 tests. That’s absurd. The fact is the wallabies won all three, and though they were close, IMO Australia never looked like losing any of the games. You always got the sense the wallabies would deliver the goods, even when they were down and little time on the clock.
June 24th 2012 @ 6:42am
Colin N said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:42am | Report comment
That’s the impression I got from the Halfpenny-Beale ‘collision.’ Does anybody have a link?
June 24th 2012 @ 7:25am
David Lord said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
King, if you are going to quote me, at least get it right. Could have and probably should have is very different to the definitive could and should. As for the Halfpenny deliberate late tackle, freeze your TV coverage at 55.05. Clearly Beale is veering left to avoid Halfpenny, who veers right to cover him. When they actually clash, Halfpenny is on Beale’s right, level with him. Beale DID NOT run straight into him, Halfpenny clearly followed him to tackle Beale late with the ball some 15m away at that stage.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:36am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:36am | Report comment
Pity Clive Norling wasn’t on the whistle Lordy
June 24th 2012 @ 7:41am
King of the Gorgonites said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
As to the Beale/halfpenny incident, your view is in contrast to the Australian commentators, the sky uk commentators, and every journalist who has written on this game thus far. I would suggest you may be clutching at straws a bit. IMO Beale should not have chipped. It was a low percentage play. He has a habit of kicks like that in those situations. Beale always looks best with ball in hand, not chipping in low percentage plays.
June 24th 2012 @ 11:21am
Petro said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
I disagree… he was clearly taken out. Halfpenny was braced to step either way for a second or two as Beale came towards him and then took a step to his right into Beales path. You can see in the replay that the ref was behind a Welsh player for a moment before and appeared to be unsighted…
June 24th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
I also disagree. We got a pretty good 3/4 view from the stands, and Halfpenny deliberately took him out.
As for it being the wrong decision, the chip was brilliant. He was well ahead of his supports and facing two opponents, with a third closer than his supports. A very smart decision.
June 24th 2012 @ 2:55pm
Kuruki said | June 24th 2012 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
I have only watched the game once and from what i saw it looked ok to me. It happened right infront of the ref who had no issue with it. Will have to watch it again to see how far he moved across but live it looked fine.
June 24th 2012 @ 11:17pm
Ben W said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:17pm | Report comment
It was clear on the slow motion replay that Beale’s right boot lace was undone and that is what caused him to trip.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:47am
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Penalty try is a laughable claim – Beale veered to the left of Halfpenny and kicked to the right. As fast as he is, he wasn’t regathering that kick before the Welsh defenders regardless.
June 24th 2012 @ 10:29am
Harry said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Not a penalty try (i.e. no certainty at all Beale would have scored) but a clear penalty, David is absolutely right IMO. Halfpenny moved laterally to block Beale, rolled the dice and got away with it. And agree that Horne’s putdown was extremely dodgy.
Swings, roundabouts … if the ball hadn’t rolled into touch when Hooke hacked it downfield in the 77th minute he had a clear lead and would have been odds on for a breakout and surely match winning try. But the Wallabies were very good in closing out the game in the last few minutes, never gave the Welsh a sniff.
Refs and their “assistant Refs”i.e. the touchies really need to start policing the offside rule better.
June 24th 2012 @ 10:48am
Lindommer said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:48am | Report comment
I’ve called loud and long on a few blog sites for the TJ/ARs to be much more active in policing the offside line. It’s dead easy for them to stand on the line, preferably the TJ/AR on the long side to call it, and tell the ref when a team’s infringed. In fact, it’d be a massive imporvment in rugby game management if the TJ/ARs policed ALL offsides during matches.
The Welsh backs were up well offside all three games.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:47pm
PeterK said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Jouber policed the offside well this game, compared to Pollock last game where he ignored it.
I agree the AR’s should do a lot more of that, AND other aspects.
June 24th 2012 @ 2:54pm
Harry said | June 24th 2012 @ 2:54pm | Report comment
Agree the ARs should do more, a couple of penalties early on in the game gets players a lot more aware of infringing, and hopefully less cramped conditions.
The other things which are bad is the holding back of players trying to support a break – umpteen examples in this series, with I have to say the Welsh being worse, and also holding onto players around the fringe of rucks or on the ground … in the leadup to the Welsh try yesterday Pocock was quite blatantly held down on the ground when the ball/play was nowhere near him, not once but twice.
Its unfortunate we have to whinge like this, but inevitable really with the advent of professionalism and defence coaches drilling into the players all these tricks. All sides do it.
June 24th 2012 @ 5:17am
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 24th 2012 @ 5:17am | Report comment
David Pocock is the only current Wallaby I can see being remembered as a Wallaby legend. He’s just a wonderful football player. In fact right now I’d have him in my World XV, ahead of King Richie. He’s like the John Eales for today in terms of being a nice guy. And he’s definitely the captain for the future.
If Kurtley Beale could recapture that form he showed in 2010, he’d be there too. I miss that Kurtley Beale!
June 24th 2012 @ 7:38am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
I think Sharpey would have a case and Genia is on his way to Legend Status.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:54am
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
I like Sharpe a lot more than most people here. He was one of the Wallabies few bright lights the year he won the John Eales Medal.
But Australia is the country where Al Baxter is our most capped prop. So I don’t know if Sharpe playing 100 + tests makes him a Wallaby legend.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:02am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
Sure I get that logic in relation to Baxter who IMHO opinion had 1 good game for Australia which was at Twickenham of all places. Go figure.
I think Sharpey has done more as a lock and skipper than Baxter ever did and in the fullness of time that will be recognised. There are periods of his career that were not so good but he has hung in there and I think his past several seasons have been very good, especially his line-out and now he plays closer to the ruck & maul he has prospered.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:56am
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Frank O’Keefe – I agree Al Baxter played about 69 tests too many and about 106 too many provincial games.
It’s a shame because he is one helluva nice guy though!! I used to have the same opinion of Sharpey, but his last 3 or 4 years have been bloody good. I still feel the Pyle, Wykes and Jones are the players we will need to have around the team though and would have liked to have seen them blooded against Wales. I am not a Simmonds fan but think he is always going to be a Sup[er PLayer without the hard edge needed for Test Level. Hope he proves me wrong.
June 24th 2012 @ 2:57pm
Kuruki said | June 24th 2012 @ 2:57pm | Report comment
Beale looks to be lacking confidence. Everything he does is stuttered and it’s like he is second guessing himself as he does it instead of just trusting his ability and putting the foot down.
June 24th 2012 @ 11:00pm
Demon Dez said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:00pm | Report comment
Pocock ahead of Richie? u have got to be kidding yourself… Have u bothered to watched the 3rd test between the ABs and Ireland? When was the last time the Wallabies tore a team like Ireland apart?…. wait a minute, Ireland beat them the last time they played… at the 2011 WRC… even if Pocock had played that game, they would have still lost….
June 24th 2012 @ 11:16pm
Jagman said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:16pm | Report comment
Beat France by the largest margin in France ever about a year and a half ago
June 24th 2012 @ 5:25am
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 24th 2012 @ 5:25am | Report comment
It’s also nice to see people coming around on Berrick Barnes. He’s not like the world’s best five-eighth or anything (except for Guscott), but he’s always been a class act and very underrated.
I think Australians have a really hard time appreciating players who play with shape. Michael Lynagh is a good example. He had as good a kicking game of any international five-eighth I’ve seen, and really controlled the tempo of the time. But Australians didn’t appreciate that about him.
Berrick’s not as good as others in the Super 15 competition, but his style is perfectly suited to Test match rugby.
It reminds me of something that Will Carling said of Rob Andrew once. He said Stuart Barnes was a better broken field runner, a better passer, etc, but 99/100 he’d take Rob Andrew because you need a guy who’ll do the right thing when things go wrong.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:49am
Who Needs Melon said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
Frank, I think it’s more a case of Barnes coming around than us coming around on Barnes. That is NOT the ‘normal’ Barnes we’ve seen all year. He would often go whole games at the Waratahs without running the ball once. I don’t know how many runs he had last night but it was plenty and many of them very good. And fearless. His kicking was judicious. Passing was out in front. Defense (even more than usual) was fantastic – he made a lot of very good tackles on blokes hard to stop like North and Warburton.
There wasn’t much difference between the teams last night and in games like that there are a lot of “but fors”. I do think it’s fair to say though that but for Berricks performance in this series, we would have lost. If Cooper comes back in form what do we do? I don’t agree with Campos impact player story the other day.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:50am
Seiran said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
I think Barnes was making his claim for the 10 spot. He knows he has to step up whilst QC is still out of the picture, and IMO he has done this.
I really hope Deans continues to stick with Barnes over QC.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:26pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Agreed WNM
June 24th 2012 @ 8:41am
eagleJack said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Frank agree Barnes is much better suited to the structures of Test rugby. But what I enjoy most about him at 10 is that in defence we don’t have to shift others into the channel to cover Mr Turnstile Cooper. The Wallabies as a team benefit from this lack of disruption.
June 24th 2012 @ 4:17pm
soapit said | June 24th 2012 @ 4:17pm | Report comment
makes a difference having beale step up at first reciever for him,
still no more than solid yesterday imo
June 24th 2012 @ 6:28am
The Werewolf said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:28am | Report comment
I don’t think Pocock being the difference is a big call at all. I think it’s probably the most intelligent thing you’ve ever written.
Halfpenny’s tackle was not a penalty and Horne’s try had downward force and so was a try. Sorry back to reality.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:02pm
redsnut said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
“Horne’s try had downward force and so was a try”
But I think the ball hit the ground before the downward force, so a knock on
June 24th 2012 @ 7:02pm
IronAwe said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:02pm | Report comment
Redsnut, watch the replay, the ball never leaves his skin. No knock on.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:58pm
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:58pm | Report comment
If exactly the same thing happened before the tryline, would it be a knock on? Of course it would.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:16pm
Justin2 said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:16pm | Report comment
But it didn’t so the laws are different
June 24th 2012 @ 8:55pm
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:55pm | Report comment
Which is fine – but the argument ‘it never leaves his skin so no knock on” isn’t correct.
Personally, I think it was a knock on and shouldn’t be ruled as a try but it does seem to be consistent with how similar circumstances have been ruled.
June 25th 2012 @ 1:42am
IronAwe said | June 25th 2012 @ 1:42am | Report comment
I if he loses control AFTER the grounding yes its a knock on before the try line, but after the try line, the try is scored before the ball is knocked on. It’s really not that hard.
June 25th 2012 @ 7:27am
Justin2 said | June 25th 2012 @ 7:27am | Report comment
Exactly, it’s quite simple really
June 24th 2012 @ 3:01pm
Kuruki said | June 24th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
I could have agreed with that try going either way. it is just one of those things, if it’s your team it’s a try if it’s the opp then it’s not.
June 24th 2012 @ 6:34am
flying hori said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
Theres no way poocock is better than Richie, just compare the 2 games last night and the stats, pococks just a pilferer and thats it
June 24th 2012 @ 6:44am
The Werewolf said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
I’ve only seen the following stats.
Pocock 10 carries for 32metres gained. Mccaw 6 carries for 27metres
Pocock the first to 10 rucks, McCaw the first to 7 rucks.
I haven’t seen tackle stats but McCaw just isn’t better anymore. The king is dead… Long live the King.
June 24th 2012 @ 6:53am
Frank O'Keeffe said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:53am | Report comment
David Pocock and Richie McCaw don’t compare particularly well.
I’d almost say Pocock is more important to the Wallabies than McCaw is to the All Blacks right now, but that’s partly because Australia have a weak side right now.
McCaw’s a more complete player, of that I have no doubt. But more complete doesn’t mean ‘bigger impact’. Both NZ and SA suffered in the Tri Nations last year because they didn’t take care of Pocock at the breakdown.
I know George Smith is Australia’s greatest modern openside (Windon the best oldie), but I feel so much better with Pocock facing McCaw than I did with Smith circa 2005-2008 for some reason.
I guess this year’s tri nations will be interesting for how they both perform against each other. In Sydney 2010 I thought Pocock was the better player, but then McCaw came back strong later in the game with some strong carries.
Like I said, they don’t compare well.
June 24th 2012 @ 9:08am
stillmissit said | June 24th 2012 @ 9:08am | Report comment
Frank said: ‘McCaw than I did with Smith circa 2005-2008 for some reason’ That’s because McCaw was a much better player in those days, he has had several serious injuries and you just have to admire his play as there are several OS’s quicker than he is. He also takes the ball into contact as well as any player in the world and is an excellent captain. George Smith was our best OS player but Pocock is coming up to George at his best but has not eclipsed him yet – but he will.
June 24th 2012 @ 10:49am
sheek said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Frank,
I think we should be careful to only use stats when determining a player’s value to his team. Or to compare him with someone else. I would suggest while McCaw may no longer be the player he once was, his value to the ABs extends far beyond sheer stats.
His expereince, his knowledge, his composure, his ability to read a game, & know wherre to attack the opposition at anytime, are priceless acquisitions only acquired over a long period of competitive rugby at the highest level.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:27pm
The Werewolf said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:27pm | Report comment
They are different styles yes. Pocock is the new prototype for the no 7 going forward and thus he has more influence over games than McCaw who plays more like the old style of flanker rather than out and out pilferer.
Pocock’s carrying is steadily improving and he is just as good at front on defence but is now a much better covering defender than McCaw who is slowing down.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:59pm
ohtani's jacket said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:59pm | Report comment
Pocock is a defensive specialist. Sam Cane in his starting debut had a better attacking game than I can ever remember Pocock having. The most interesting thing about the Welsh test on Saturday was the number of times Wales tried to drive Pocock off the ball and basically left their own ball unprotected for another Australian player to pilfer.
June 24th 2012 @ 9:25pm
Jiggles said | June 24th 2012 @ 9:25pm | Report comment
Pocock Isn’t much of a ball runner, but he has been better this year than he ever has been due to necessity. Cane was very solid again last night.
One of my favourite moments of a pretty bleak RWC was in the Wallabies V Springboks game. Pocock was going in for the ball and positioned himself over it perfectly. Burger next came flying in with no arms targeting his shoulder into Pocock’s upper back. Burger simply bounced off Pocock, and then got up and tried to rip Pocock off the ball a two more times to no success. One of the more amazing things I have seen in a game of rugby, to be honest.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:10am
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:10am | Report comment
Looking at those stats it simply shows they played different positions. An 8 will have a slightly lesser presence at the breakdown and more of a ball running role. You’ll note McCaw’s stats reflect a more effective ball carrying role.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:56am
Justin2 said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
Jerry he should have more carries from 8 for obvious reasons but he won’t be more effective just because he has 8 on his back.
I think mccaw is past his best but still a very good footballer…
June 24th 2012 @ 8:19am
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
He was more effective because he averaged 4.5 metres per run as opposed to 3.2. As far as the number of carries, NZ were playing an expansive game, so it wasn’t required.
I think McCaw is past his best but still a better overall player than Pocock.
June 24th 2012 @ 9:55am
Justin2 said | June 24th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Not based on these June tests he ain’t…
June 24th 2012 @ 10:05am
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
I think I’m not gonna bother discussing McCaw vs Pocock anymore on the Roar.
June 24th 2012 @ 2:15pm
mikeylives said | June 24th 2012 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
4.5 m per run in a team that won 60-0 is not spectacular.
June 24th 2012 @ 4:04pm
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
I think I’m not gonna bother discussing McCaw vs Pocock anymore on the Roar.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:19am
Nick said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:19am | Report comment
Round the park there’s no comparison. Pocock is the best pilferer but McCaw has the complete game. He had 72 running meters last week!
I think we might have seen him for the last time at 7 possibly. There’s tipping for a move to blindside here in nz and a loose trio of McCaw, Cane and Read wouldn’t be a bad thing.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:55am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
I think the All black back row played better as a combination yesterday than the Wallabies and that is the key to it. Pocock is is human and I expect New Zealand to come up with a plan for him. Probably an illegal one like holding him back and down as that is what they have done before.
Australia need to work as a combinaion in the back 3. I would love to see what David Pocock could achieve then.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:28am
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:28am | Report comment
I think they learned that one from the Wallabies Argyle – 2006 I recall, Elsom and Waugh basically had a role to tackle McCaw anytime he was near the ball (it was the test where Waugh got away with a high tackle on McCaw when he was actually trying to tackle one of the Wallabies).
June 24th 2012 @ 8:40am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Yeh remember than one….’can’t run without a head’ – but I am not sure we have ever taught you blokes anything about that type of play.
June 24th 2012 @ 9:34am
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Uncle – I agree. We definitely don’t have a thick as thieves back row combo. The mix just doesn’y seem to Gel to me. I also have been impressed with Hooper and Pocock’s play in tight and think that this might work as a starting combo, with Higgers an impact option with the extra size and speed with 30 to go? Hooper seems to enjoy running with the ball more than Pocock does.
June 24th 2012 @ 11:02am
Blue Blood said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Agreed. I always wants to see Hodgson and Pocock use their super combination at the Wallabies. Deans never valued what he offered. And Hodgson has played consistantly great football this year and in at least 3 games played better than his captain (as voted by his own team). Such a waste. But moving forward I would like to see the backrow work better together to take the workload off Pocock.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:31pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
In fairness, Deans copped a lot of criticism for giving Hodgson as much game time as he did.
June 24th 2012 @ 9:12am
mace 22 said | June 24th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
If richie was the only way the all blacks could get turn over ball his stats would be much higher , but fortunatlely they don’t have to rely on just him to do this.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:29pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Hori, be very careful of asking the Werewolf to a stat fight – just saying…!
June 24th 2012 @ 4:08pm
flying hori said | June 24th 2012 @ 4:08pm | Report comment
Mike, if i wanted to i could make up any stats as well. lol
June 24th 2012 @ 6:12pm
Jarmen said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
Hori are you still on moderation?
Miss your rather blunt assessments of things and I notice there are a fair few around this site that say a lot worse things than you ever did yet never a word is said
June 24th 2012 @ 6:48pm
The Werewolf said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:48pm | Report comment
Accusing me of making stats up is a serious allegation. Go to rugbystats.com.au fella and then come back her and apologise.
consider you mentioned to look at the stats and then didn’t provide any!!!!!!!
June 24th 2012 @ 7:37pm
Nick said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:37pm | Report comment
That site is laughable. They must employ the blind to come up with some of the stats they do… Keep away, keep away!
June 24th 2012 @ 10:24pm
Kane said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:24pm | Report comment
According to this website
Minutes played
McCaw 242
Pocock 243
Tackles
McCaw 19 (no tackle stat for game three available)
Pocock 34
Offloads
McCaw 2
Pocock 0
Runs(m)
McCaw 34(143)
Pocock 25(91)
Rucks/Mauls
McCaw 36
Pocock 27
Penalties
McCaw 4
Pocock 2
Turnovers
McCaw 9
Pocock 0
Missed Tackles
McCaw 3
Pocock 9
June 24th 2012 @ 10:30pm
Jiggles said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:30pm | Report comment
These stats are bunk. No turnovers to Pocock? He made 5 yesterday…
June 24th 2012 @ 10:35pm
Kane said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:35pm | Report comment
Not saying they’re correct just saying this is the same source that The Werewolf was using to prove a point
June 24th 2012 @ 10:38pm
PeterK said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:38pm | Report comment
those turnovers are not pilfers but mistakes the player made ie they turned it over. They show McCaws handling errors, Pocock made none.
June 24th 2012 @ 10:58pm
The Werewolf said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:58pm | Report comment
The only reason i posted stats was because the FH had mentioned we should check the stats from this week and yet had not provided any. The only point I was making was that their stats are pretty much what you’d expect considering the manner in how they play the game. Pocock simply has more influence on the flow of a game.
Turnovers in these stats are of course when you give possession away (not when you gain it) and rucks and tackles are only counted as the first involved.
Missed tackles can also be slightly misleading in that getting a hand to a player is counted as a missed tackle which doesn’t tell the whole story. Kind of like dropping one at gully because you got a finger tip to it.
June 24th 2012 @ 3:23pm
Kuruki said | June 24th 2012 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
There is no doubt McCaw is no longer as effective as he was at the breakdown as an individual. IMO i honestly feel he has moved his focus from that of being a pilferer to one of fitting into a unit and relying more on a unit to do a job rather then just focusing on certain things as individuals. And that makes sense when you look at the trio of McCaw Read and Kaino they were always talked about as a trio rather then Pocock who is always talked about as an individual.
There is no doubt Pocock is the hardest man over the ball in the game, and he is almost impossible to move once he gets over it. But what i saw last night in the All Blacks game was turnovers being forced by numbers and aggression at the breakdown more so then individual brilliance.
As far as comparing who is more important to their team i have no idea. You would think the Wallabies would struggle massively without Pocock, but had McCaw not been there last night we would have seen Thomo Cane and Messam as an All Black trio and that has not got the same ring to it.
When the All Blacks play the Wallabies it will be Pocock at the breakdown vs the entire AB loose trio. That is how i see both teams operating. That’s not putting down Higginbotham and Palu but i just don’t notice them as much around the breakdowns as Pocock i think they deliver more of their worth ball in hand.
June 24th 2012 @ 3:59pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
Spot on Kuruki – I think the argument between Mccaw and Pocock is irrelevant for exactly the points you make, they are both playing slightly different games and because as you say the AB’s pack is more dominant at the breakdown through aggressive counter-rucking quite simply Mccaw does not get as many opportunities to force turnovers in the manner of DP. What is probably more relevant than comparing the turnover each 7 gets is the turnovers the whole forward pack or even team gets. The counter-ruck I believe is Australia’s achilles heel against the ABs and to a lesser extent the Boks and for that reason I would like to see us start with Hooper and Pocock………I know most will disagree with me but I think they are both impressive at the tackle with the clean out which has little to no glory attached but is ultimately the primary job of the entire 8….
June 24th 2012 @ 4:04pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
Good point
June 24th 2012 @ 4:06pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Kuruki – on a second point, I used to sing the praises of Richie Mccaw for his humility in defeat and victory, but I would have to say I have noticed a real change in that the last 2 years or so, he rarely acknowledges his opponent or if he does so it is such an after-thought that it comes across as sour grapes. Is that just me or is that something that has been noticed by Kiwis as well? I used to think Schalk Burger and he were the classiest skippers around but for mine RM has gone way down in that estimation. Am I a one-eyed Aussie or have you seen this too?
June 24th 2012 @ 7:09pm
Kuruki said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
To be perfectly honest after listening to everyone talk about it i actually paid attention to what he is saying and i have to agree, he does seem to be a bit more grumpy. For a guy who has hardly ever set a foot wrong off the paddock, i think maybe the pressure of being on a pedestal in Nz is getting to him a bit. he does seem a bit “over it” these days and it’s even more noticeable on the field with the way he is laying down the law even after we score tries. I dunno maybe he just needs some time off to chill out. But yeah, now that it has been brought to my attention i really have to agree. Maybe a 6 month holiday is on the cards soon.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:42pm
Nick said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:42pm | Report comment
Can’t agree. His job is a tough one but he never makes excuses and he’s always first in there to congratulate the opposition.
In hong kong after the wallabies loss he wouldn’t allow his team any time to sulk and he demanded they congratulate the Aussies on the win.
It’s nitpicking to claim he’s not mentioning his opposition. He says all the usual stuff “if you don’t play at 100% against the Irish they’ll hurt you. This level of rugby is a step up against quality opposition etc etc”
Is he meant to name his first born after every international captain or something?
June 25th 2012 @ 6:26am
justsaying said | June 25th 2012 @ 6:26am | Report comment
He was a lot more complimentary of the Irish in his post-match comments on Radio Sport in NZ than he was on the TV coverage, I suspect because that he’d had another 5-10 minutes to think about what he was saying. I think it’s a bit unfair to expect captains to be so eloquent and magnanimous 10 seconds after the final whistle.
June 25th 2012 @ 6:40am
mania said | June 25th 2012 @ 6:40am | Report comment
who cares? he isnt captain for his eloqution. this was said at last years WC finals when he didnt mention the french. u want a good rugby player or someone who knows how to kiss a55?
June 25th 2012 @ 11:32am
Mike said | June 25th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
or his spelling…
June 24th 2012 @ 7:50pm
Nick said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:50pm | Report comment
Funny thing is McCaw made very similar numbers of turn overs in these tests compared to Pocock. Most of these opinions about his abilities are just that, opinions unrelated to the actual facts.
He made comparable turnovers but vastly more meters in the first two tests of this series.
Also good to remember the last time Pocock and McCaw met, last years semi final, McCaw was almost unstoppable.
June 24th 2012 @ 9:37pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 9:37pm | Report comment
Nick – did you even bother reading the thread or did you just see Mccaw vs Pocock and fly into a rage?
June 24th 2012 @ 11:10pm
Demon Dez said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:10pm | Report comment
Did McCaw play number 7 or 8? How many tackles did Pocock make?…. STATS:..2 in 80 whole minutes of rugby….. he just lurks around and makes sure he’s the 1st player to the ruck AFTER the opposing player has been tackled. That’s what undone him and the Wobblies in the WRC semi…. the ABs just ran at him all day…. EASY….
June 24th 2012 @ 11:22pm
PeterK said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:22pm | Report comment
Pocock made 7 tackles (where he was first man in)
June 24th 2012 @ 11:58pm
ohtani's jacket said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:58pm | Report comment
The stats sites people use on this website are rubbish. The only stats worth reading are Tracey Nelson’s, in my opinion. Interesting to note that McCaw had 4 lineout takes in his converted role. The All Black lineout was super efficient in this series. I don’t think they lost a single lineout on their own throw. That’s impressive for an All Black side.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:31am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Thats right FH
Pocock was horrible with ball in hand and his leadership was terrible…
June 24th 2012 @ 6:36am
JayWoo said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:36am | Report comment
Well I just have to say that although I am pleased for the Wallabies and their clean sweep of the 6 nations champs
Not one of the tests between these two proud rugby nations produced the kind of dynamic, flowing exciting spectacles we were all hoping to see. For the crowd of 30,000 + on a beautiful Saturday afternoon in Sydney’s spiritual home of rugby I can’t help but feel
Let down that a more entertaining game did not eventuate. The entire first half was a tit for tat penalty fest and only in brief moments during the second 40 did we get to see glimpses of the true talent that exists in this Wallabies side. I sympathise for the red dragons and supporters who will undoubtably be feeling shattered after being swept in a series that they could have just as easily won 2-1 had it been for a couple of different plays and decisions at crucial times. Contrast that match to the sublime All blacks display who were nothing short of ruthless in their dispatching of the plucky Irish.A clinical master class of the highest order was delivered at a time that called for the world champs to step up and flex their considerable muscle, reminding the rest of the union establishment who reallly is the top dog in town. Pity the Saffas could put an exclamation point on a SH whitewash but credit to the Poms who showed a lot of heart to withstand the boks onslaught and secure even billing. Bring on the RC!
epic contests ahead no doubt
June 24th 2012 @ 6:47am
The Werewolf said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
Great series, with 3 good games.
With two even teams with great defences your expectations need a slight adjustment.
I stopped watching the AB’s and the Irish. That type of game was so one sided it was boring. I’d prefer the wallabies- wales match any day.
June 24th 2012 @ 6:54am
flying hori said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
You only stopped watching because the envey was too much, how good were those tries! how good was our 3rd tier backline, how good was the ENTIRE ABs side, i’d stop watching too if i was the opposition.
Barnes was the difference in the wallas win, played exceptionally well
June 24th 2012 @ 7:03am
King of the Gorgonites said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:03am | Report comment
The abs were awesome. One of the most impressive displays in years from any team.
What about the saffas, booing poor morne, poor sportsmanship from the people of the eastern cape. And that city wants a super rugby team!
June 24th 2012 @ 7:56am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
I missed it KOG. What happened?
June 24th 2012 @ 8:51am
King of the Gorgonites said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Uncle, it was pathetic. Morne has an off night with the boot. Missed a few kicks. Missed a drop goal (though Walsh was playing advantage). So, it must have been with about 15 mins to go starts the crowd starts booing morne every time he touches the ball. I have never seen it from a home crowd, espically as the scores were locked up. It was so odd and so harsh on morne who has been a great servant to south African rugby. The sky uk commentators were somewhat taken a back and shocked.
June 24th 2012 @ 6:14pm
Jarmen said | June 24th 2012 @ 6:14pm | Report comment
Now thats the tyoe of comment that i expect from you FH
June 25th 2012 @ 10:29am
bennalong said | June 25th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
Fantastic try by Hosea Gear! And the flick from Cruden. Dag’s wasn’t ‘arf bad either
Some beautiful confidence rugby. …………….Poor Ireland !
June 24th 2012 @ 7:14am
Dean Vincent said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:14am | Report comment
Well done the Wallabies. Held their nerve and composure to take the series 3-0.
Welsh mistakes were their undoing, what was alun-Wyn Jones doing on those re-starts…..no excuse for dropping 3 at this level. Gifted the Wallabies easy points.
Your comment on Halfpenny is ridiculous, he merely stood his ground and Beale ran into him. The commentary team also agreed with that. A penalty try was not even an option.
Disagree with the Wallabies try too, as a Welshman I had no problem with it. Jonathan Davies dislodged the ball and Horne forced it down. No complaints.
Difference AGAIN was the Wallabies ability to execute and close the game out. Frankly I’m fed up with Wales’ narrow losses.
Pocock outstanding yet again.
On the evidence of last night, the All Blacks look some way ahead. Devastating performance.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:19pm
PeterK said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
totally agree.
The only point that David made that was valid was Pocock had a great series, he was my man of the series ahead of Barnes.
This game was the only game Barnes ran well, did a good job as playmaker and kicked well.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:47pm
Dean Vincent said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
I thought Barnes did quite well throughout. Don’t think he deserved man on the match in either game but did his job pretty well and his kicking was good too all in all.
Pocock was indeed outstanding throughout the series. He nullified a number of promising Welsh attacks with his ability to turnover possession. His body positioning is so low that it’s very difficult to shift him once he gets his paws on it. Definitely think he’s number one in the world at the moment.
Thought Wales would have made some changes in the back row to try and counteract him, especially with Warburton not being 100% throughout. Thought they may have started with Tipuric or used their bench better. Don’t know if it would have made any difference though.
June 24th 2012 @ 1:31pm
Lindommer said | June 24th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
I was at the game and, I will predicate this by saying I haven’t watched a slo-mo replay, the impression I got in real time was Halfpenny moved to his right. Replays on the big screen seemed to support that, although some Welshman close by remarked, “he can’t disappear”. True, but players and refs must be very careful of interfering with opponents running through on any occasion.
I’m a ref, and I would’ve awarded a penalty. A penalty try would’ve been too big a stretch for me.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:28am
Shungmao said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:28am | Report comment
Happy for the win but the wallabies were pretty ordinary. I said in a earlier post I hope KB plays as part of the team and not as an individual , well he dished up a quite a selfish poor game, deans defends him as rusty, well play club rugby or start on th bench if you are rusty. Horne frustrates the hell out of me , when he received that ball he didn’t even look at Digby , will not pass. I can’t understand how between 2 hookers they can only throw pies! Tamani was very good in defense, but he needs some work on technique at ruck time, for a guy of his size he should be damaging in rucks but struggles one on one over the ball. Fainnga did well when he came on, secures a lot of ruck ball, actually passes and gets the defensive line up. Barnes was good tonight and I hope people can start to see he plays the game plan he is told to play, pressure back on foley at the tahs one thinks. Finally i was bemused by 2 things, first the amount of times wallabies go into contact as support, hands down and not ready for pop passes, this is simply laziness and secondly the persistence with Ben alexander as reserve prop, he will get schooled against NZ and sa.
June 24th 2012 @ 7:32am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
Lordy,
I will go as far as saying David Pocock was our best forward on the pitch. His work at the breakdown was superb and he has hit a new stratosphere in that department. Those who think him one dimensional should have a look at his ball carrying and his leadership. He was brilliant yesterday. He was well supported by Nathan Sharpe and Sitaleki Timani who I thought had his best game for Australia, even though his body height let him down at times. Palu did some very good work as did Higginbotham however Higgers must also get his body height sorted when running with the pill! The front row is still a concern, Benn Robinson was OK, TPN was good around the park but as you say his line-out at times was woeful. Kepu looked good but Ben Alexander got schooled by Paul James in at least one scrum that cost us a penalty. Forensically James re-adjusted his bind to get himself into a position to pull Alexander down and in. Not hard but a 30 odd test prop should expect and no how to counter such a measure really.
Berrick Barnes game management was very good. Genia was very good, Horne was good but he almost dudded that try, why not just give it to Digby who was un-checked? Digby was good as was AAC. Beale wasn’t there mentally at all.
Good impact by Dave Dennis and Rob Simmons when they came on and Fainga’a was solid without being flashy.
Well done Robbie Deans and Australia, a 3-0 clean sweep of Wales is a great effort however these areas will need work on if we are to feature in The Championship.
First up tackles – poor yesterday.
Discipline – we gave away field position and possession at times when we could have put much more pressure on Wales through silly errors and discipline.
Breakdown – David Pocock can’t do it all. We need to get more urgent in that area. it was good to see some counter rucking yesterday.
Attack Structure – We were very lateral and one out at times yesterday and it was easy for the defence to pick off. Need to support runners and get more direct, we played behind the advantage line a little and would like us to get over the gain line quicker with support.
There is much to improve on but it is good to see that even playing poorly at times Australia is finding ways to win. Good sign!
June 24th 2012 @ 7:40am
David Lord said | June 24th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Good call Uncle.
June 24th 2012 @ 8:02am
Who Needs Melon said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
You’ve touched on Deans use of the bench here. Credit needs to go to Deans here again. Sure the McCabe one was forced but otherwise it was nice to see timely injections. Lessons leaned from the Scotland match?
I would love Nic White and Hooper to get some more time in gold though. Genia and Pocock WILL get injured at some stage – even if it’s a bloody nose like McCabe – and we need to know we can bring on guys we can rely on like we now can in other positions. The opportunity hasn’t really arisen in the last 2 tests. I guess the next (barring injuries) will maybe be Argies?
June 24th 2012 @ 8:10am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
Good point Melon,
In a 5-2 split I think Ben Lucas our best half back option. Not only can he cover 9, he also can cover 10 and 15. There was a period in yesterdays game where Pocock was being illegally held down and back which gave the Welsh more impact at some of the breakdowns. Australia did not adjust quickly enough and that is a sign of a back row not working in combination. It may have also been a good time to bring on Hooper to assist in that area. However then you shorten up your line-out options.
I like Scott Higginbotham but i though Robbie brought on Dave Dennis at the right time and Dennis played well and settled into the game. Good stuff Robbie.
June 24th 2012 @ 9:51am
Jutsie said | June 24th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Dennis was more effective in his 25min than higgy has been all series.
And im higgy fan not one of the guys that says he seagulls. but this series, the first time he wasnt vying with elsom for the no. 6, he was a tad disappointing.
June 24th 2012 @ 10:38am
Uncle Argyle said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Mate he was up against a very good back row and thought he actually did a lot of good work in tight actually. His game has improved and is sea-gulling less. He and Dennis appear to be a good interchange option.
June 24th 2012 @ 10:04am
Justin2 said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:04am | Report comment
I have my doubts about Deans using the bench actually. No one will actually be able to prove it one way or the other but I think it’s no coincidence that the bench use has improved with McGahan (name?) being in the box…
June 24th 2012 @ 8:00am
Justin2 said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Penalty tries. Please,
Can someone show me where in the LAWS that control is mentioned scoring a try please?
June 24th 2012 @ 8:09am
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 8:09am | Report comment
Nowhere, of course.
I thought he did lose it forward however – you’d have a hard time claiming he was ‘holding the ball’ when it hit the ground but I guess the TMO thought differently. But it wasn’t that bad a call, I’ve seen far worse TMO decisions.
The Beale/Halfpenny one probably was a penalty, though I suspect Beale milked it a bit – there wasn’t that much of a collision. No case for a penalty try as he wasn’t getting to the ball first and even if he had it took a nasty hop and would have been bloody hard to regather cleanly.
June 24th 2012 @ 10:05am
Justin2 said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
So why do people always mention it? It’s irrelevant…
June 24th 2012 @ 10:11am
Jerry said | June 24th 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Dunno – people always go on about ‘downward pressure’ (which is only relevant if the ball isn’t being held by a player) too or ‘double movements’. Rugby’s laws are a pretty complicated (and poorly drafted) set of rules but it’s still a bit annoying how many people can’t grasp some of the more obvious and frequently used parts.
As far as ‘control’ specifically, I guess you could argue that it’s an unwritten requirement for a player to be considered to be holding the ball. If their hand is still in contact but they have no control, are they holding it? Not really sure, though given the way TMO’s seem to rule, possibly not (eg, that Rocky Elsom try vs the AB’s a few years back or Ma’a Nonu’s try in the corner at the end of the Eden Park Bled test in 08).
June 24th 2012 @ 11:35am
Justin2 said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
Yes some good points there Jerry. It seems contact with hand,arm, torso is the key.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:26pm
PeterK said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
I did not think it was even a penalty, Halfpenny had the right to hold his ground, Beale saw he could not get to the ball so decided to run at him to milk a penalty. Good call.
Horne had contact with the ball via his arm and leg before it touched the ground, at no point did it touch the ground without being in contact. This is not a kconck on or lost forward but a legitamate try.
June 24th 2012 @ 12:38pm
Mike said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
We”l have to disagree on your first point. I agree with David above, Beale moved away from Halfpenny, who moved towards him. It was a clear penalty (but I agree not a penalty try).
June 24th 2012 @ 12:57pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
Beside the fact Horne nearly or did lose the ball, whatever your view, why the bloody hell hadn’t he passed it to Digby 3 seconds earlier. In my opinion he has run his race and showed he is no team player, hook him and start Mccabe/AAC at 13 with Cooper or O’connor 10 and Barnes 12. Micthell, Honey badger and or O’connor to fill the other wing spot.
So my backline (depending on fitness/injuries) is:
9. Genia
10. Cooper/O’connor/Beale
11. Ioane
12. Barnes
13. Mccabe/AAC
14. Mitchell/Cummins/Shipperley/Morahan
15. Beale/AAC
June 24th 2012 @ 1:05pm
PeterK said | June 24th 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
agree re Horne should be dropped.
Beale is a poor flyhalf, look at his errant passing even short ones to Ioane etc.
Not an option there IMO.
I would look at Cummins as an option at 13 as well.
JoC must also be an option for 12 (if his goal kicking is equal to Barnes), wing or F/B.
June 24th 2012 @ 1:11pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
Agree PK – I actually meant to bracket JOC at my 12 – I really kept Beale in there in case bothe the other 2 are unavailable. I know it;s Super Rugby and not Test Matches but you weren’t impressed with Beale at 10 for the Rebels?
June 24th 2012 @ 1:21pm
PeterK said | June 24th 2012 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
Beale was ok at 10 for Rebels BUT he mainly played it for himself ie chip kicks , runs, he doesnt have a long pass and he has a poor pass left to right. All these at rebels were on display.
Beale is a far better f/b than 10. We have (in my order) Cooper, CL, JoC, Barnes all ahead of Beale at 10. Only Cooper and CL have the ability to pass wide accurately whilst running at pace at the line hence my placing them at the top 2.
June 24th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 24th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
CL definitely, only out of my b/l because we are not going to see him for ?!?!?!?!?! A great shame though I agree. and agree with Beale, I just keep struggling to get my head around Barnes, but he is definitely on the improve.
June 24th 2012 @ 11:20pm
Ben W said | June 24th 2012 @ 11:20pm | Report comment
It’s not Aussie Rules! You are only allowed 7 players in the backs last I checked……
June 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Rugby Diehard said | June 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Are you sure you aren’t Ben S. Really insightful, well-constructed comment there mate.