SPIRO: Wales go-slow rugby almost defeats the Wallabies
By Spiro Zavos, 25 Jun 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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As I was walking up Moore Park road after another nail-beating finish to an Australia – Wales Test I noticed a couple, holding hands, with the man wearing a red Welsh scarf and a ferocious scowl on his face and his partner wearing a scarf of gold and a great smile on her face.
I thought this was an apt summary of the Test. Wales had lost the Test because they played go-slow rugby to thwart the flow of the Wallabies game.
The Wallabies had held their nerve. They endured the frustrations of Wales’ go-slow rugby and responded to Wales first try in the 61st minute with their own try from the kick-off.
And when they were behind, following a massive Leigh Halfpenny penalty (his second from halfway and a third striking the uprights near their top!), they launched a series of wave-after-wave attacks, keeping the ball in hand until Wales finally and inevitably conceded the penalty in the final moments.
As with Mike Harris in the Melbourne Test, Berrick Barnes had to convert the penalty into points, which he did with aplomb.
The attitude of the Welsh coaching staff and the players who bought into the go-slow rugby tactic is something that should be condemned. I have always admired Welsh rugby. Of all the so-called Home Unions, they are the nation that has played rugby in the best traditions of the game.
Max Boyce sings about the ‘fly-half factory’ of Cliff Morgan, Barry John, Phil Bennett. The halves, Hadyn Tanner and Gareth Edwards, the wonderful runner and passer who played all his tests consecutively for Wales and was voted the greatest British player of the 20th century.
And there have been the great three-quarters and fullbacks from Vivian Jenkins, the first fullback to score a try in the then Five Nations tournament in the 1930s (and later a wry and insightful rugby writer for The Sunday Times), Bleddyn Williams, J.P.R.Williams, Gerald Davies and going back to the 1930s Wilfred Wooller and to the early days of Welsh rugby Arthur Gould and Percy Bush.
To see a modern Welsh side which is stacked with attacking talent playing deliberately without flair, indulging in crude off-the-ball tactics and go-slow tactics of wasting an eternity of time forming lineout and setting scrums and indulging in endless illegalities in the ruck and mauls was worse than disappointing.
It was shameful to the memory and history of Welsh rugby. And to the spirit of hwyl, an iconic Welsh word that means passion, pride, spirit, flair, all elements of the best of Welsh rugby.
I have argued in the past that Craig Joubert is the best referee in the world rugby. And this remains true. But I would concede that he got conned by the Welsh gamesmanship throughout the Test and allowed the go-slow tactics to slow down the Test to the extent that there wasn’t too much actual rugby compared with the previous Tests, and the Tests played in the weekend over the weekend.
Several incidents come to mind that reinforce this opinion. Towards the end of the match Wales, for the umpteenth time, walked as if in a funeral profession to a lineout. Joubert told them to hurry up. The hooker then took an eternity (once again) to actually throw the ball in. Joubert should have penalised Wales for time-wasting.
And then there was a scrum, in the first half, near the half-way, which kept on collapsing on Adam Jones’ side. Finally Joubert went around to the Jones side and wonder to relate the scrum was steady and the Wallabies were able to get a decent clearance from it.
Some people have pointed out to me that rugby is not an entertaining spectacle because there are too many penalties and too many stoppages. I think this misses the point. The penalties and stoppages for scrums and lineouts are part of the DNA of the game, just as stoppages, time-outs and free-throws are part of the DNA of basketball.
If you want basketball that has more flow than the present game then play and follow netball. If you want a rugby game without scrums (or contested scrums), lineouts and an often messy continual contest for possession (except for the maul) play and follow rugby league.
The laws of rugby, when teams engage in matches to play to them rather than against the spirit of them, allow for thrilling, expansive, sweeping, end-to-end play and even titanic spectacles.
Over the weekend we saw the All Blacks play superb attacking rugby to totally annihilate a gutsy Ireland side 60 – 0. The All Blacks attack was often brilliant. Their defence was always brutal and effective. In 27 Tests against New Zealand, Ireland have drawn once and lost the other 26 Tests. At Hamilton they were held scoreless, though, for only the third time.
And the other two times? In 1905 and 1924. These two New Zealand sides are regarded by experts two of the greatest All Black teams inĀ history. I must admit that the thought occurred to me that Greg Martin’s comment that the ‘All Blacks are on the slide’ during his introduction to the Hamilton Test was a bit premature.
The South Africa 14 – England 14 Test was more like a State of Origin clash than the sort of free-spirited rugby played by the All Blacks. But it was a thrilling Test which was well-refereed by Steve Walsh.
The Springboks and England play a similar style of rugby. They kick high balls a lot. They don’t have plays from set pieces, except for the inside centre barge. They have big packs that belt into rucks and mauls. They drive from lineouts a lot. They counter-attack, especially Bryan Habana and JP Pietersen.
The glory of rugby is that while this style can degenerate into boring rugby. Let’s face it I have criticised both teams for this many time. And twice the passionate, partisan crowd at Port Elizabeth, in the magnificent Mandela Bay Stadium, twice booed Morne Steyn for going for a drop goal early on and towards the end of the match for kicking the ball away rather than running it.
But, but … the spectators were as engrossed in the titanic struggle as the crowd was at the last State of Origin when hardly a line-break was made but the scores were agonisingly close.
Back to the Wallabies. The achievement of defeating the current Six Nations champions 3 – 0 should not be dismissed. Wales were without Jamie Roberts, the huge inside centre, but they had the rest of the stars. They found the pace of the Wallabies game so hot that they decided the only way they could win was to slow down play to that of a snail.
They did expose the fact, though, that the Wallabies front five is still not tough enough, in my view, to mix it with the Springboks or the All Blacks. I wonder about the wisdom of playing Sitaleki Timani. He is a huge man. But he plays, in my opinion, well below his weight. Is he fit enough for Test rugby right now?
The Wallaby backs looked much better with Kurtley Beale back at fullback, his best position by far. There is, though, a disconcerting lack of penetration from the back division. Quade Cooper and James O’Connor will be back for The Rugby Championship, of course. They will sharpen up the backline’s speed.
I’d like to see Cooper playing on the wing as a Shane Williams-type of winger. But I would expect Robbie Deans to play Cooper and Barnes as his five-eighths and O’Connor probably on the wing.
But all this remains to be seen. For now, the Wallabies have kept Wales out for a three-Test series and maintained the record of Wales not winning a Test against the Wallabies in Australia since 1969.
To think that before the first Test against Wales that Mike Carlton wrote an opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald (in the news sections!) that he wanted the Wallabies to lose because everything was rotten in Australian rugby.
Carlton should have been at Allianz Stadium on Saturday afternoon. The ground was packed, only 1000 spectators short of the ground record. The stands were like field of golden daffodils were the rows of gold-scarfed supporters. There was a standing ovation for the Wallabies as they ran on to the field. In front of the media box there were about 70 Joeys old boys having a 36th reunion.
This was a group and a crowd that had kept the faith in the Wallabies, as they should and must.
When Barnes kicked the winning goal there were huge roars resounding around the ground. And an even bigger roar when Will Genia cleared a ruck and booted the ball out as the final whistle blew.
Walking out of the ground I heard people saying what a great game it was. It certainly was not that for the purists (and many readers of The Roar). But for the true believers the thrilling end with the Wallabies desperately trying to set up a penalty or drop goal or a try to snatch a victory with time almost up made up for whatever longeurs they were forced to endure because Wales didn’t want to play the game.
While I was walking away amid the buzzing, chatting crowd a golden avalanche of youngsters and their parents spilled out on to the ground. The Wallabies to a man stayed on the field and sign autographs and high-fived excited fans.
When I saw that on television after I got home and watched the replay I thought this was as good a response, the telling response in fact, the Australian rugby community could have made to the Carlton nonsense.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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June 25th 2012 @ 7:53am
Justin2 said | June 25th 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
Cooper unlocks defences with his passing, who does he pass to on a wing?
June 25th 2012 @ 7:57am
katzilla said | June 25th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
I’d like to see him on the wing too, specifically the right wing, not in a Shane Williams type of player, but closer to Keith Earls on Saturday night trying to tackle Hosea Gear.
Question, if he hides on the wing when he at first five on defence, where does he hide when he’s on the wing?
The sheds?
June 25th 2012 @ 11:15am
Acorn said | June 25th 2012 @ 11:15am | Report comment
bahahaa, good luck trying to stop the flying Hosea. Good to see the AB’s machine rollin’ on. Bit of depth there eh bro
June 25th 2012 @ 11:59am
katzilla said | June 25th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
For sure bro. Been a good transition period for us so far
June 25th 2012 @ 4:27pm
RebelRanger said | June 25th 2012 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
When do we decide whether Hansen is the real deal or not?
June 25th 2012 @ 8:01am
Bazza All Black said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Least on the wing , he would not be expected to tackle…that could be a good thing…
Spiro, I think the only positive thing the WBs could take away from this series win (and it is actually a very important) is that they closed out close games.
I remember several years ago, the Wallabies consistently broke All Black fans hearts by taking the final score to win..this has been missing in recent years.
It is difficult to compare results in the June tests but either way the RC is going to be exciting..the Boks are looking for some payback and the ABs want the Cup back…
June 25th 2012 @ 11:49am
Fog said | June 25th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Not several years ago, that era ended just over a decade ago
June 25th 2012 @ 2:08pm
Atawhai Drive said | June 25th 2012 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
Fog, define the difference between “several years ago” and “just over a decade ago”.
June 25th 2012 @ 3:35pm
Jerry said | June 25th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
Several is defined as ‘more than two, but fewer than many”. When you start getting into double figures, I think ‘many’ would be a better description.
June 25th 2012 @ 4:40pm
Atawhai Drive said | June 25th 2012 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
Hmmm . . . makes me think of childhood debates over how many constituted “a few”.
We agreed to disagree on a few being anywhere between three and eight.
June 25th 2012 @ 4:49pm
Photon said | June 25th 2012 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
Spiro
People never booed because Morne attempted a drop goal, they booed caus he missed. We love us a good kicking flyhalfs in South Africa, we just don’t like it when they kick like shit. Steyn is busy taking shit to a whole new low, his missed more kicks than he’s succeeded with thats, 12 missed and 10 successful. On Saturday he missed 3 kicks and 2 drop goals, that’s basically 14 points he left out on the paddock.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:06am
John said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
There is no where a non tackler can hide in Rugby, will be found out and targetted, but we already know that.
I say put him at fullback where he may be capable of a side on tackle.
Seems to be a re-run of the Beale saga when he played No 10 for Waratahs and is now much more consistant at 15
June 25th 2012 @ 8:07am
wMc said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Spiro – re All blacks – Ireland – wasn’t it great to see a ref who didn’t think he was the most important guy on the pitch. Mr Potit? was hardly seen (except tough Yellow on Irish) whereas the Welsh fool Owens in prev 2 weeks just couldn’t help himself trying to stay front & centre – Paddy O’Brien take note
June 25th 2012 @ 9:40am
Jutsie said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Owens is one of the worst IMO.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:07am
katzilla said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
When I heard Marto say the All Blacks were on the decline I got really scared, I thought ‘Geez here’s a guy who knows what hes talking about, we’re in serious trouble.’
Looks like the same old recipe for the Rugby Sameoldmanship.
South Africa with a Ferrari in the garage still riding their 50cc kicking game scooter.
Australia with a Ferrari on the outside, Morris minor engine.
All Blacks…..well yeah.
Hope the Argentinans don’t play a damage limitation game, otherwise this first rugby champs is going to be sad.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:12am
Jerry said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Indeed – let’s revisit one of Marto’s finest moments….
June 25th 2012 @ 8:30am
Bazza All Black said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Classic!!
Sent to every Aussie I know!
June 25th 2012 @ 11:02am
Sprigs said | June 25th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
You can do a showreel like that for any player.
June 25th 2012 @ 1:40pm
Nik said | June 25th 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
sure it just wouldn’t be as funny
June 25th 2012 @ 7:11pm
Sprigs said | June 25th 2012 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
I suppose the mightier the player, the funnier when they make mistakes.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:31am
Nick said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
That turnover mccaw got when he went over the top of the player and stole it before he hit the ground just sums him up completely. Haha it was freakish
June 25th 2012 @ 12:41pm
moaman said | June 25th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
Thoroughly enjoyed that Jerry
June 25th 2012 @ 1:32pm
z1000 said | June 25th 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
LMFAO.
June 25th 2012 @ 3:37pm
Riccardo said | June 25th 2012 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
Funny to see Marto have not a clue when his ridiculous criticisms are subjected to the slightest scrutiny.
June 25th 2012 @ 5:07pm
WQ said | June 25th 2012 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
Jerry, watching that was nearly better than winning the RWC2011!
Absolutely brilliant!
June 25th 2012 @ 9:18am
soapit said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
martin rarely gets any analysis of any aspect of the game right. he seemed to be absent from the wallabies on saturday which was a relief.
no idea how he blagged himself into a position of expert analysis. unbelievably little amount of understanding of the game. he was only ever a winger wasnt he?
June 25th 2012 @ 12:48pm
Denby said | June 25th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Marto was a fullback, but that is not the problem. His stupidity is the main problem.
June 25th 2012 @ 5:49pm
soapit said | June 25th 2012 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
well i do give fuulbacks a bit more credit in their understanding of the game normally but yeah, if they repeatedly prove they know nothing i have to go with the evidence
June 25th 2012 @ 9:41am
Jutsie said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Im hoping your being tongue in cheek in regards to Marto haha
June 25th 2012 @ 4:30pm
Sage said | June 25th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
What does “well yeah” mean Katz ? I’m assuming a Commodore inside and out with the loudest (fan) exhaust. A top range Calais though, nothing standard.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:14am
kingplaymaker said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
Wales claimed that they wanted respect from the Wallabies from the third test: the continual strangling of Pocock and general provocation of the players ensured they won’t, in addition to the non-stop excuse-making of the coaches after their losses and lack of real credit given to Australia.
Cooper should transform the team and Australia did very well to win with essentially no backs.
I thought Timani had a very good game, getting through a mountain of defense and clearing out work. It’s true he doesn’t yet use his frame to the maximum but doubtless Deans plans to work on that, assuming quite rightly that the Waratahs coaching staff will not. Indeed given that his brother is virtually as good it’s suprising he isn’t involved. The weakest player in the pack was probably Higginbotham. The Wallabies achievement is considerable: they beat the best team in the northern hemisphere with their backline missing.
A slow game can be a suprise to a team who aren’t familiar with it. However, in time the faster game takes over. Warren Gatland can’t shirk responsibility for this series either. In addition to creating the underline structure of the team he was apparently fully on board after the first test.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:25am
formeropenside said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Of course you thought Timani had a good game, but he was largely ineffective. Actually, I was surprised at how poor the Wallaby scrum was – generally it was in trouble, and I saw Benn Robbo’s hand on the ground more than once.
Scoring 5 tries each across a 3-match series is not a sign of a great Wallaby team.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:36am
The Werewolf said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
That’s 2 more tries than all the rest of the 6 nations could manage against the Welsh in 5 games this year.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:42am
kingplaymaker said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
fos Timani was not ineffective, that’s ridiculous. Re-watch the game and watch him. He’s not there as a runner but for the nitty-gritty in tight, tackles, clear-outs and he did masses of them which is why this time he was kept on nearly to the end. I would say of course you would say he had a bad game.
The scrum was in trouble, but less on Timani’s side and more on Robinson and Sharpe’s.
The Wallabies backline is skin deep. The top level: Cooper, JOC, Beale, Ioane, Genia, are world-class. The second tier are many fathoms below. That’s why without the elite, it looks bad.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:43am
Jutsie said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Good call about the scrum KPM, robinson was clearly struggling. Wonder if he hasn’t fully recovered from the injury last year? Is it possible that delaying the operation in the hope of playing at the world cup may have caused more damage?
June 25th 2012 @ 9:50am
kingplaymaker said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Jutsie I think two things which should be taken into account in defense of Robinson are that he was up against virtually the best scrummaging prop in the world in Adam Jones and that he had Nathan Sharpe and not S.Timani pushing. However it is a problem. It probably doesn’t matter for the next matches as there will be no Adam Jones, but there will be again for the Lions. Maybe Palmer and Holmes should be tried and whoever is the stronger scrummager played against Jones, and whoever the better player in the loose against the others.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:53am
Uncle Argyle said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Mate I would go Holmes for Robinson and Palmer for Alexander 100% but keep Kepu, he has done well IMHO.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:57am
kingplaymaker said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
UA agree on Kepu but I think there is a fundamental question of whether the team wants better scrummagers or players in the loose. The scrummagers are only necessary against some teams, while the loose players are more useful against weaker-scrummaging teams. Another point, what’s happened to Slipper?
June 25th 2012 @ 5:11pm
WQ said | June 25th 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
KPM, once again you have come up with one of your outlandish statements, Adam Jones is not the best scrummaging prop in the world!
June 26th 2012 @ 1:15pm
JohnB said | June 26th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Can’t disagree that 5 tries in 3 tests wasn’t great, although 5-4 wasn’t it? One from a very good offload, 2 ground over from close range and one from kicking ahead a dropped pass.
June 25th 2012 @ 11:17am
Uncle Argyle said | June 25th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Well Lets see how Slipper re-acts in Super rugby. Hopefully well! However I actually thought Greg Holmes has been a better player around the park than Robinson for some time, but thought Robinson was scrummaging better. Holmes isn’t a bad loose head at all and hit extra work around the park may be something we need if we are going to play at the tempo required to challenge the All Blacks.
Palmer is a good scrummager and no frills tight forward. Nothing wrong with that. Kepu is staring to win me over. I have enjoyed his test rugby this year so far.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:23am
Uncle Argyle said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Spiro,
Of all the dumb things I have ever read about in rugby, and I have been reading some of ‘Chucks’ comments which qualify into that category, playing Cooper on any wing is up there with the best of them. For such an experienced rugby scribe as yourself to contemplated such a dumb, dumb, dumb suggestion is mind boggling. Did you hit your head somewhere on Moore Park Rd during your walk? What is even more dumb is that you have compared Quade Cooper to Shane Williams!!!
Shane Williams is a finisher, Quade is a creator. Shane Williams can tackle, Quade can occasionally tackle. You play Cooper at wing against the All Blacks and Savea, Jane, Dagg, Smith, Gear or the local pug playing 3rd grade for Red Star in Masterton will score a try on him perhaps two…in the first 20 minutes. Bledisloe gone, Championship gone!
Mate if we are any shake at beating the All Blacks we need to come up with a game plan that will challenge the All Blacks at the coal face and that means competing at 1st phase. We did not do that well enough against Wales. We need to get more urgent at the breakdown, we need to dominate the tackle zone and we need to be 100% committed and smart in our rugby. This Cooper contemplation is anything but smart the only thing it creates is a defensive weakness and for a bloke who runs on confidence the last thing you need to do is make him a turnstile or a speed-hump.
I shake my head Spiro….
June 25th 2012 @ 8:24am
The Werewolf said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
The criticism of Timani is a little strange. Did you watch the game? He threw his weight into rucks and mauls plus he tackled very well. He didn’t do a lot of carrying but with all of our ball carriers I don’t think he was picked to do much carrying. When he did though he popped atleast 3 extremely good offloads. He also held up kepu’s side of the scrum… is it a coincidence that all of a sudden Kepu got on top of Jenkins?
June 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Denby said | June 25th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Agreed, Timani played well. He is getting better all the time. Same with Kepu, his work rate around the park has increased tremendously.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:37am
Snobby Deans said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Greg Martin is an idiot. The sooner he and Kearns go, the better
June 25th 2012 @ 12:39pm
Harryonthecoast said | June 25th 2012 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Well at long last. Well said!!! And as for Clarke’s interminable, boring stats; he’s got to go as well. I sit there waiting for him to tell Polota-nau’s grandmother’s maiden name, for goodness sake!! How is it that Kearns sees ALL those players offside…..and not a dicky bird from anyone else?
June 25th 2012 @ 2:10pm
Atawhai Drive said | June 25th 2012 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
Kearnsy sees things that no one else sees, you’re quite right about that.
But is that because he sees more acutely than everyone else, or simply that he’s in a parallel universe?
The one expert commentator I trust is Rod Kafer. The rest are just noise.
June 25th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Riccardo said | June 25th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Agreed and Justin Marshall over here Atawhai.
June 25th 2012 @ 4:42pm
Atawhai Drive said | June 25th 2012 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
My ideal commentary team _ Rod Kafer and Justin Marshall. Just the two of them.
June 25th 2012 @ 4:58pm
Mike said | June 25th 2012 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
Brilliant.
June 25th 2012 @ 5:55pm
The Werewolf said | June 25th 2012 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
Yes good call!
June 25th 2012 @ 7:32pm
mace 22 said | June 25th 2012 @ 7:32pm | Report comment
we should start a petition to get murry mexted back. Now he’s what I call a brilliant comedian oh I mean commentator.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:46am
Charlie Mackay said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Gentlemen,
Timani is a joke. Always has been, always will be. There was a reason that he was released by the Brumbies and the Force, quite simply he is not cut out for professional rugby. He came into the Waratahs forward pack after a mountain of injuries and scored a try to win the game, thus seemingly being the greatest thing since sliced bread since. However, I do note that he found it difficult to even be in the starting team at the Waratahs this season, leading to the assumption that he is not good enough for their flimsy pack. Why, then, is he starting for the national team? His two previous games were shock Australian losses in which he played little to no effective part. Our lineout at Moore park seemingly disintegrated into shambles (after previously being strong in the first two tests) and the scrums seemingly went down all bloody day (upon review, mainly because the Welsh couldn’t stay up). Whilst he did indeed make a good pass or two, they were the sort of passes that were quite simply “Hail Mary’s” that, if not taken correctly, could have meant the release of pressure on the Welsh, a turnover or even a 14 point swing for a Welsh try. I was intrigued to note that Mr Werewolf saw him throw his weight into rucks. Sir, if you would kindly take a closer look over the game, and over previous games for the Waratahs, I daresay you’ll notice that Timani does the following:
1) Side entry into the majority of the rucks he hits (his brother is also quite fond of this mode of illegal entry)
2) Rarely stays on his feet at the breakdown (thereby lucky not to concede the wrath of the referee
3) Hits the rucks that are already won
4) Is poor in the breakdown contest -> has little to no leg drive
5) His handling in the tackle/ruck zone is often abysmal -> this is what happens when you play with the ball in one palm -> only Radike Samo could ever pull that off!
End rant.
Cooper at wing… Good luck with that! Joe Tomane to come back hopefully for the RC, but O’Connor has to play somewhere I suppose… Perhaps JOC at 12, McCabe at 13 and Horne to be dropped? Beale 15, Ioane 11, Tomane 14? Thoughts? Though I suppose it’s premature to select a side with a few rounds to come in the Super XV… Time will tell!
Good day Gentlemen.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:58am
kingplaymaker said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Untrue, not only did he tackle tirelessly and strongly, but cleared out and hit many breakdowns Nor was his off-load to Beale a hailmary. If you had been watching carefully you would have noticed Timani’s side of the scrum was much better than the other.
June 25th 2012 @ 3:59pm
Charlie Mackay said | June 25th 2012 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
KPM,
I was at the game and all I saw all game were scrums going down -> admittedly it was Gimli for the Welsh until Joubert switched to his side and otherwise, correctly, penalised both teams for poor scrummaging technique… Thus, IMHO, the scrummaging was woeful… If you had cared to read my comment throughly, whilst indeed he hit many breakdowns and cleared out, he was ineffectual as always and rarely made a telling contribution to a breakdown. Rather, he hit breakdowns (often illegally, might I add ((which he has done his whole career -> see his game v the Brumbies earlier in the season))) and thus was an exercise in futility (or to increase his statistics to prove that he wasn’t a hollow jersey)…
Perhaps he pulled off a good pass to Beale then… I also saw an u14 player on the weekend pull off a flick pass for a try… My secondary argument was that his overall ball handling is sub-par and is often a cause for turnover. This needs instant rectification or else he will be a bigger burden on the side than he already is. UA is correct here, his skill repertoire needs urgent modification (which he clearly hasn’t received at the Waratahs)… I’m happy to be proven wrong, but somehow I don’t think I will be this time…
Best wishes,
June 25th 2012 @ 9:01am
Uncle Argyle said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Morning Charles,
I remember Tom Court playing club rugby for the University of Queensland. Big fella but I thought his best position was behind the BBQ on the tongs. However his move to Ulster made him and he has turned out to be an OK international loose head prop. I am not an appolgist for Timani. He was average in his first two tests, however I saw signs of improvement in him on the weekend. I agree his body height can be terrible at times but he appears to be getting it right on other occasions.
One thing for me about Timani is when he carries the ball he attracts multiple defenders. If he can learn to off load just prior to contact, or as he did on one occasion after contact that open up gaps and creates opportunity. I am critical of Timani because he could do so much more if he knew how….kind of like Tom Court.
He is a lazy racehorse who needs a flogging…then some mentoring but I think the raw framework is there.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:09am
kingplaymaker said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
UA Timani’s workrate was very high as far as I could see, far from lazy.
I admit he needs to be more compact in contact but he’ll learn with Deans.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:40am
Uncle Argyle said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
We can all walk around the office with a piece of paper in our hands looking busy KPM…. Timani can do more and be more effective. I think Sharpey has improved as a ball running forward and tighter defensive forward during the Deans era so I agree that Deans should get the best out of Timani also in those area’s.
June 25th 2012 @ 2:43pm
Cliff (Bishkek) said | June 25th 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
To All,
I laugh when I hear that “Deans will teach him” – OR “Deans will get the best out of him”.
Deans is damn useless and always has been – S14 or S12 wins with Crusaders had nothing to do with DEans – it was built before he became Head coach.
Does everybody belive that this Australian side was great to beat Wales. My God – the mistakes, the inability to break lines, the selections, the utter stupid off-loads rather than create anotehr phase.
We will never grow or improve under Deans.
We have the cattle – just poor management, selections and use thereof.
Our forwards apart from Pocock – are pussies. Go back in time – Robinson going don – simple – not supported by Sharpe. Sharpe is playing good rugby at the moment – but he does not, and never has, supported a scrum through corect bind, angle and weight.
Deans should never have been signed – but I suppose we do not have anybody to go in – well not when he was signed.
June 25th 2012 @ 2:50pm
Mike said | June 25th 2012 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
“We have the cattle” – We do? What are your grounds for saying that?
“just poor management, selections and use thereof” – I agree management has been an issue, although I am not sure any other coach would have done any better. Personally I wanted to see link get the job at the end of RWC, but that wasn’t to be. But what is your argument about “selections”. Who did Deans miss out on that should have been selected?
June 25th 2012 @ 3:39pm
Dasher said | June 25th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
And I remember when Tom Court used to kick me and my mates out of the pub when he bounced the door of the Cri, but that’s another story.
June 25th 2012 @ 8:51am
Sherry said | June 25th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
This present team has less than zero chance of beating the ABs. Things look brighter once you start factoring in the Ifs. If Quade can come back at 5/8 and be as good as we know he can be. If Barnes can handle SBW at 12. If JOC plays against Smith at 13. If Mitchell and/or Turner come back strong and fast. If we can get Timani to tear loose. If we can get Higgers to learn the 8-man’s job so we don’t have to rely on Palu. If Pocock can play six and Hooper plays 7.
Then it would be a close contest.
June 25th 2012 @ 9:21am
soapit said | June 25th 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
we’ve always played down to our opposition. its the aussie way. we’ll give the all blacks a good shake when the time comes.
June 25th 2012 @ 4:51pm
Sage said | June 25th 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
That’s right soapit and regardless of all the talk, the darkness know it too. Agree on the playing down too, we’d never do that to the Irish, how bloody rude
June 25th 2012 @ 10:32am
formeropenside said | June 25th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Thats drop the ball Hooper? At Wallaby 7? Oh thats funny.