Pirates bid the right fit for the NRL
By Luke Doherty, 28 Jun 2012 Luke Doherty is a Roar Expert
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ARL Commission Chamirman John Grant. AAP Image/Dean Lewins
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In one of John Grant’s first media interviews after taking over as Chairman of the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC), he poured cold water on the idea of expansion in the NRL.
It was a slight shock to those who thought the Commission would be in favour of such bold moves. It also had several bidders scratching their heads, wondering whether pouring money into a potential rugby league side was a good idea. At that point, sending 50 dollar notes into a paper shredder would’ve yielded the same return.
It seems Grant didn’t want to over-promise and under-deliver though because yesterday another suitor nailed its flag to the mast.
West Australian Rugby League (WARL) chief executive John Sackson gave life to the West Coast Pirates.
It followed discussions with the ARLC where Sackson was given the impression that expansion would be welcomed once the new TV rights deal was signed, sealed and delivered in September this year.
The Pirates are believed to be a key component of the ARLC’s discussions with the various media outlets. Having a side based in Perth provides plenty of scheduling options for rights holders and fans alike.
But this isn’t just a quick grab for cash.
Sackson has been working on the WARL’s bid for three years and has mapped out pathways for the game in the state that run from the Pirates brand right down to the junior leagues.
Perth Glory owner Tony Sage and Balmain and New South Wales legend Benny Elias had previously spoken to the ARLC about a rival bid that had no association with the WARL.
Sage intended to mirror what Nathan Tinkler had done with the Newcastle Knights and while the money attached appeared inviting, blindsiding the WARL was a strange choice.
Working in conjunction surely would’ve been a better option.
The two parties met recently and found little to no common ground. A relationship, at this stage, appears unlikely.
Ditching the ‘Reds’ name was also a smart move.
The colours remain, but the brand needed to start from a fresh base and the Pirates name provides that.
Similarly, it would’ve been a disaster if the Titans had have called themselves the Chargers or Seagulls.
Player agents picked up the scent around 12-months ago and Sackson has had discussions not just about players, but coaches as well.
He’s also known to favour recruiting, not just good players, but a name capable of providing “cut through” into the local market.
That market, in many ways, already exists.
Plenty of rugby league loving people have moved west from Queensland and New South Wales chasing opportunity in a state thriving on the back of the mining boom.
Those people have been in the stands at recent NRL matches that have attracted impressive crowds when compared to several Sydney clubs.
Some club CEOs remain wary of expansion. The ARLC will need to show them that their own fortunes won’t be harmed by any new clubs.
Grant himself has said in the past that the competitions existing tenants deserve to share in the riches of the new TV deal before expansion is considered.
But that TV deal may not be as big if expansion isn’t included in the deal.
A team in Western Australia and a second team in Brisbane could deliver the big bucks required. More content equals more money.
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June 28th 2012 @ 1:52am
Jason said | June 28th 2012 @ 1:52am | Report comment
The Bears are back in with a chance now simply because of that stupid name.
June 28th 2012 @ 6:05am
Damo said | June 28th 2012 @ 6:05am | Report comment
They have missed the mark in my opinion and should have stayed with the Reds name. Pirates seems so Americanised where as the Big Red is an Australian native. Really disappointed
June 28th 2012 @ 6:54am
p.Tah said | June 28th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Not overly keen on the Pirates name but everyone says that when a new team name is proposed. When they’re up and running no one really cares. Imagine if someone launched with the Rabbitohs, Swans or Waratahs today.
One thing I’d hoped was they’d avoid all the pirate cliches, but there on their website ‘Welcome abroad me Hearties. Thank ye for your support’. I guess teams are going to easily run around them seeing many of the players will have a wooden leg, the hook will make it hard to catch the ball and quite a few will be sent of because of back chat by the parrots on their shoulder.
June 28th 2012 @ 10:51am
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | June 28th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Funny!
June 28th 2012 @ 10:52am
Nathan of Perth said | June 28th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
They’ll have to watch the swinging arms, what with the hook and all.
June 28th 2012 @ 10:59am
Von Neumann said | June 28th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
nah i think the pirates is great. the logo looks good, its only a name, the kids will love it, and one can make a lot of marketing around it. reds is a bit too plain, very 1980s, which is surprising it was used in the 90s
June 28th 2012 @ 11:06am
Ian Whitchurch said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Damo,
The “Cincinatti Reds” doesnt mean much to you, does it ?
June 28th 2012 @ 7:02pm
Damo said | June 28th 2012 @ 7:02pm | Report comment
While Reds can be vauge and can be added to anything, evn the colour of the uniform, im basing my comment onThe Big Red Kangaroo from the Western Reds logo… But I’ll give you that comment
June 28th 2012 @ 2:39pm
dishes said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Spot on Damo. “west coast pirates” is the wrong brand, borrowing from both the AFL and American sports.
June 28th 2012 @ 3:12pm
Football Tragic said | June 28th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
What’s with all the pipe dream people?! I know it’s fun to speculate but this old gem is getting boring. The reality is that the League will not have any expansion teams until late in the next Rights or at the beginning of the Rights agreement beyond that….at the earliest. Even if, from the outside, it seems like a financial incentive to boost the next TV Deal, it would be a rushed business model at best. Expansion will come but it needs the proper time and foundations before making it a reality. The ICC will not cut any corners anymore.
Gallop moved his Expansion timeline to 2015 and then the ICC stated it was not going to happen in this next rights period at all.I haven’t seen anything to suggest this has changed despite potential bidders making lots of noise and promises and the media trying to sell ‘pie in the sky’s’ to naive readers.
Its all noise as far as I’m concerned until I hear anything to the contradict this from the commission themselves.
June 28th 2012 @ 4:33pm
Patrick Angel said | June 28th 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
This particular bid has been building since around 2007-ish.
June 28th 2012 @ 2:16am
Alan said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:16am | Report comment
I was having a talk with a guy at work tonight and we were talking about the idea of all the 6 teams biding for the new entry getting the go ahead in a nrl B side I guess you would put it, like how other games are played and the loser from the nrl A side at the end of the year which at the moment is parra would drop down into the B side and the winner from the Nrl B side would be promoted up into the nrl A side. I get that this would be hard for fan to deal with at first if there team was to be drop to a B side bit I’m sure it would make the game better in time and well at least in a B side their team wouldn’t get bet every week like what has been the case for poor parra in which I’m more then sure the fans would not be liking. Plus this gives us more dominance over other sports in australia and we will be gifted with a far better A side players coaches and refs whys with more games and teams playing and the best being put in the A side
June 28th 2012 @ 2:27am
Adrien said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:27am | Report comment
that would surely lead to restrictive style of football played by teams whose aim will be to avoid the relegation as it is the case in many sports…
June 28th 2012 @ 2:25am
81paling said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:25am | Report comment
To add a second Brisbane team sounds very logical but, you would have to get passed NEWS and the BBL administration first, which based on previous experience does not seem likely or even wise to try as remember what happened last time with the Crushers, it started the hole Super League war.
June 28th 2012 @ 10:53am
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | June 28th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
I cannot see another Super League war erupting. Brisbane will get another club.
June 28th 2012 @ 11:02am
Von Neumann said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
to hell with news, ect. this is for us. a new team will add 100million to the bid apparently. brisbane DESPERATELY needs a second team. titans are very good but we need another team called brisbane. so many advantages and much needed alternate support. For starters I can see many people who support other sides at broncos games starting to support the new brisbane team. People have been wanting this for 10 years.
June 28th 2012 @ 2:26am
Alan said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:26am | Report comment
I think new teams should have a Australian thought process behind it, it would be awesome to see a team called the bushrangers with a Ned Kelly style mascot or a team called the wombats or kangeroos and not the tigers or broncos, and how about a team called the bogans and the mascot be a guy with thongs and a blue singlet and stubbies shorts and a cork hat.. But in saying all that I do like the pirates logo.
June 28th 2012 @ 10:55am
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | June 28th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Quolls is a good name.
June 28th 2012 @ 11:45am
Nathan of Perth said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:45am | Report comment
The Quokkas! Sponsorship deal with the Quokka Trading Post optional.
June 28th 2012 @ 2:36pm
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
I like that name. West Coast Quokkas.
June 28th 2012 @ 6:26pm
Crosscoder said | June 28th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
But don’t quokkas have to be hand held.
June 30th 2012 @ 5:02pm
oikee said | June 30th 2012 @ 5:02pm | Report comment
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/how-benny-elias-put-the-bite-on-the-tigers-20120629-21822.html
I think we now know why backdoor is in Perth.
You have to even question Tony Sage’s commitment to a bid, the WARL ceo said he has put nothing into rugby league in Western Australia.
June 28th 2012 @ 12:48pm
The Barry said | June 28th 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
The diprotodons…
June 28th 2012 @ 6:27pm
Col Quinn said | June 28th 2012 @ 6:27pm | Report comment
What’s this using the name of an extinct marsupial. Is this a prediction? I hope not.
June 28th 2012 @ 1:26pm
Aljay said | June 28th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Can’t believe we don’t have a Redbacks yet. Thought it would have made complete sense for the Western Sydney soccer team given their prevelance in the area.
Also, is the Pirates meant to have a link to Wiliam Dampier & the early European explorers of West Oz?
June 28th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Nathan of Perth said | June 28th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Suspect some of our Aboriginal readers might suggest “pirates” could apply to all such European explorers
June 28th 2012 @ 5:26pm
Epiquin said | June 28th 2012 @ 5:26pm | Report comment
Fremantle Flamin’ Galahs???
June 28th 2012 @ 3:05am
Johnno said | June 28th 2012 @ 3:05am | Report comment
i love the name marketers dream great name and logo. home ground in perth will be a fortress.
June 28th 2012 @ 3:37am
Football United said | June 28th 2012 @ 3:37am | Report comment
ffs west coast is so vague. Perth or nothing.
June 28th 2012 @ 11:05am
Von Neumann said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
apparently research (yeh research) indicates that people identify with west coast as a name. its a long way away so maybe its like a different world. I think it sounds kinda cool. west coast, it will really hit home the game is both east coast and west coast now. They are repping the whole state as well, so did not want to limit it to perth.
June 29th 2012 @ 9:58am
Maroon Blood said | June 29th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Actually, apart from the obvious comparison to the Weagles, I’m glad that they steered (haaaargh!) away from calling it Perth asthe team will be seen to be representing the whole State. League has comps in the Pilbara, Goldfields etc so it would have been stupid to alienate these growth areas from the outset.
June 28th 2012 @ 5:31am
Morotti said | June 28th 2012 @ 5:31am | Report comment
I could see a Perth game as a good fit for a Saturday afternoon start in Perth. That makes it prime time in the Eastern states. Same with Sunday afternoon.
Would like to see junior numbers increase though and the talent come through to cover for another team in the comp. Currently I don’t think we have enough talent to cover for the 16 teams we currently have.
You would have to say a WA team, second Brisbane team or a second NZ team would be the frontrunners for a licence.
June 28th 2012 @ 10:23am
Matt F said | June 28th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
It also works for Friday and Saturday nights as well. If the Friday double headers and Foxtel’s Saturday triple headers continue then a game in Perth easily slots a live game into the 9:30 slot in NSW/QLD.
June 28th 2012 @ 7:19am
chrisc101 said | June 28th 2012 @ 7:19am | Report comment
Pirates, please. You can just imagine some marketing guru coming up with that.
what a stupid name, do they think the year is 1993 and basketball is going to take over Australian sport, so we better rush in more Americanisms. If anything it has swung back in recent years, with the public craving the history, logos, tradtion and colours, like the AFL and European football.
June 28th 2012 @ 9:55am
Kyle Butler said | June 28th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Like the Suns or Giants????
June 28th 2012 @ 11:07am
Ian Whitchurch said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
Or Port Power, playing in teal. Ooooh, Carlton’s M+M jumper too !
Dumb code war comment is dumb.
June 28th 2012 @ 7:44am
oikee said | June 28th 2012 @ 7:44am | Report comment
LOve the Pirates. Plus you can have some fun with it at 1 game a year, get everyone dressed up as pirates,.
Same as the Newcastle knights, have a robin hood type dressup day in the Errol Flynn style. Have some serving wenches and during halftime, best dressed Medevil or in this case Pirates go into combat with axes and ball and chain, pirates would have swords, all props of course.
Battling it out while serving wenches brought you food and drinks. A pirate ship castle on the day with big fire, make sure you have big fire.
Anyone been to seaworld, the Pirate show was fantastic, kids love this sort of stuff, its all about entertainment these days.
I love Buck at my Broncos games, and the warriors do music during breaks in play very well. It all adds to big game time experience.
Rugby league has to be a t the forefront in this department. Trendsetters.
June 28th 2012 @ 8:37am
steve b said | June 28th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Spot on oikee love the bit about wenches at half time, your in good form today ,,good laugh ,,but your right the kids would get right behind this sort of marketing ,,and lets face it they are the future of the game …
June 28th 2012 @ 11:09am
Von Neumann said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
haha cool idea.
June 29th 2012 @ 10:03am
Maroon Blood said | June 29th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
How about the girl who rides Buck. Noice. You just want Brisbane to score tries so the horse and rider get more of a gallop. My mate wanted to steal the saddle and take it home for some reason. Strange guy.
June 28th 2012 @ 8:21am
Rory said | June 28th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
a WA team is a great idea, along with a CQ team. those are the next 2 teams to be added. followed soon after if possible by: PNG and a 2nd NZ team