Why no-one can win a code war
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There is apparently a war going on in this peaceful land of ours. A war that has been smouldering in the background ever since Ian Turner coined the term ‘Barassi Line’ and the ugly ducklings (as they were then known) jettisoned from south Melbourne into Sydney in ’82 as the Sydney Swans.
The unofficial war between Aussie Rules (or rather, the AFL) and rugby league blazed into full declaration with the fulfilment of Barassi’s great prophecy that traditional non-league playing states NSW and Queensland would have two teams each in a national Australian Rules competition.
If you were to believe some of the more vitriolic trolling and media commentary you would think (depending on your persuasion) that Aussie Rules had already become the only winter code. Or that the AFL were a money hungry, corporate evil empire ready to steal the rugby league souls of western Sydney.
The reality of this war for winter domination is, if you bother to look a little into the facts and behind the hyperbolic rhetoric, far more nuanced and complex. Rather like modern Australian society as a whole.
To begin with, it is a long time past for rugby league to cry foul that Aussie rules is invading its heartlands of NSW and Queensland. In fact, if you’re one of many born and bred New South Welshman or Queenslanders who originate from a region where Australian Football is regularly played and loved you, are downright bemused.
The fact is Aussie Rules incursions into ‘rugby’ states has been going on since the 1940′s when the sport gained popularity in the Riverina region of southern NSW – my home region. Or what about the far south coast of NSW or the Gold Coast, following on from the wave of Victorian immigration there from the 1970′s onwards?
In fact where ever Aussie rules has gone, it has found (or imported) a ready and willing audience. And judging from its growing popularity in Sydney and even Cairns, it will continue to do so.
This is not to say that animosity, fear of the ‘other’ foreign code, and occasional downright hatred was never a present feature of regions like the Riverina where both codes are played and followed. There was always a jibe or two at your mate who decided he’d rather head a bit further north to play ‘bum-sniffer’ ball or constant references to ‘aerial ping-pong’ from league identities.
But essentially co-existence was harmonious, co-operative and mutually beneficial.
For example, I, though committed to Aussie rules at club level, I would always play league with my mates in the school comps against those from further north. And many a school from the central west of NSW played Aussie rules against us in the particular hard, league-like, way that would see them mostly lose but bash us so that we wouldn’t forget it in a hurry.
A lot of friends would play both, with both codes feeding off each other’s talent and goodwill for the local communities. Barbs and critics were mostly little more than harmless jests from people who had a preference for one over the other.
Now it strikes me that I might have it all wrong, that the rest of league playing Australia who have never before co-existed with AFL may be loathing and seething in it fear and contempt for the invader who steal its children in the middle of the night. But go outside the small narrow circle of inner league fraternity (exemplified by ex-players such as Mark Geyer and Phil Gould) and you find that, mostly, people don’t really care one way or the other.
Just why this was, I found myself asking one day, when it dawned on me that it wasn’t really Aussie rules and rugby league at war at all, but the AFL versus the NRL.
That’s right, many facets of this trumped up and largely non-existent war are nothing short of a corporate war masquerading as a cultural one.
Ask yourself why there was no great hoopla about the Swans coming into Sydney in ’82, or AFL into other areas before that? It can’t simply be brushed aside as a lack of awareness or interest, because, if there were one other element involved three decades ago that is present now, there most certainly would have been a ‘war’.
That element is money. Yep, it is as simple as that: the codes are at war because they are now corporate entities competing for market share and looking to maximise shareholders profit.
The only difference with the punters in the suburbs and country ovals is that the currency of football popularity is not, nor was it ever, solely about money. And this is where the misinterpretation of the code rivalries being a ‘war’ comes in – football is not just about the dollar, it is about tribal and ultimately, cultural allegiance.
It is about the very fabric of middle class and working class life in Australia, about which weekends revolved, and still do. Around underage footy on Saturday or Sunday morning, red fluro hotdogs, hot chips and celebratory drinks after the game.
But the great thing about the two major winter codes (and rugby union I’m sure to a smaller extant) is that they both share this common culture and integrated link between family, memory and social/community fabric. It is owned by both and exclusive to neither.
Any animosity that exists is largely among the diehards – a bit like the radical 10% or so on either side of politics, who eventually turn most people off because of the irrationality and extremity of their alternatives.
Very few of the league or Aussie rules supporters I know spend much time thinking which sport to watch, or what sport their kids will play, largely because there is a deeper, typically Australian, philosophical mood at play: the idea of free-choice and free-time.
Most Australians have seen footy-time and weekends as a deeply engrained ‘right’ to fun, cold meat pies and umpire abuse. These are not the type of rights you get serious over, or at least not the type of serious we saw on the nightly news where people had actual wars over ‘rights’ or where even their (foreigner’s) sport was a kind of real primitive tribalism a.k.a. European soccer.
Pub conversations recently among dual allegiance fans often revolve around the differences, or pros and cons of each code. But next time you get the chance, compare the commentary between a televised AFL versus NRL game, or the fan behaviour and atmosphere at the grounds. They are actually very alike, both extolling the same virtues in play like toughness, teamwork through mateship, club loyalty, hard work etc.
A tradition of player-baiting and somewhat comical and facetious umpire hating is bred through and through. People, as with the rest of life in modern Australia, will still retain many traditional community and class loyalties and attitudes- many Sydneysiders will still complain about that southern ballet before switching on to watch the Swans for a quick 15 min on Saturday night.
But above all, the modern Australian has been weaned off the worst of the older racial and class prejudices and embraced the new corporate freedoms of the 21st century.
They hate, above all, being told what is or isn’t good for them to do with their and families weekends. Again, like politics, the modern Australian will take little heed of what they see as spurious and ‘same-old’ arguments, but will swing in huge numbers and in very short time periods for whatever catches their eye and seems like it might lead to a good-time.
A facility for empathy in sports’ fans is also recognisable in our ability to cheer for any Aussie team at any old sport we haven’t got the faintest clue about or general interest in.
There is no doubt that Australian rules football is the biggest winter sport in Australia by a significant margin on all measures that corporate and marketing gurus love to talk about.
Its great advantages were to start earlier, be more professional, to complete this professionalism quicker and to be largely united without the devastating effects of a super-league fracturing. The AFL has also done a remarkable job of making its brand and image more attractive than the other football codes.
I may be biased but I can’t help noticing that the ‘image’ of the AFL as a family-friendly, sexier and safer game than the rugby codes has largely succeeded to significant extent. Professionalism, in both the corporate and athletic sense, seems to have dealt a kinder fate to AFL rather than league, making it appear sleeker, fitter, and more wholesome while keeping the passion and soul.
League, on the other hand, still has plenty of blood, guts and soul, but perhaps a little bit too much for a continued expansion that would see it enjoyed all over Australia. If there is any indication as to which way the winds have blown over the last 20 years or so, look no further than where the battleground is and who the counter-attacks are coming from.
The battle fronts are all in NSW and Queensland, and the most scathing and paranoid commentary from some die-hard in the Rex Mossop mould, saying that ‘Aussie Rules is a poofter’s game’. You know, dinosaur types.
Very little commentary has come from current league players or official NRL administrators themselves, who are quietly (consciously or unconsciously) trying to improve league’s image and broaden its appeal. And very little noise, except ‘good publicity’ noise has been coming from anyone important in the AFL for years now – it is as if they barely know rugby league even exits.
In the end, although the AFL has won a few key battles there can be no ‘winner’ in this so-called ‘war’, as a war implies that one side is fighting for something the other side has which it doesn’t. In this case both codes do have it – a firm place in the hearts and minds of mainstream Australia, whichever region they hail from.
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June 28th 2012 @ 12:33pm
Redb said | June 28th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Well written.
Code wars now sell papers and create internet hits. It is more evident in some parts of the country than others, the no 2 NRL is always going to chase the indifferent no1 AFL. Its why code war rhetoric is far more common in Sydney papers than in Melbourne.
TV deals and expansion create the foundation. I agree it is mostly a corporate driven agenda – look no further than News Ltd in Sydney as it really pushed the code war angle hard when the AFL announced NSW expansion. Effectively a division (NRL) was perceived to be under threat.
They rally the troops and the lemmings follow as you can see from most news sites as code warriors are born in the name of the good fight.
I doubt there is a bigger code war target than GWS and from its very first beginnings, well before Folau.
NRL, ARU, A League announce expansion teams in AFL heartlands and it is met with barely a ripple from AFL fans. The AFL on the other hand even talks about GWS and its war, the code war guff flows….they have no right, invading, no grass roots, no one wants them,etc,etc, This despite several of the expansion teams in those other codes who struggle for mainstream support some even collapsing.
June 28th 2012 @ 1:35pm
Australian Rules said | June 28th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Agree with that Redb…and a very good article Ditra.
Code-wars sell papers apparently, and no-one flaunts this more than the Sydney media (esp the DT). When in Melbourne, I struggle to find significant content on league, but the likes of Roy Masters seem to write one article a week deathriding the Giants.
A recent example that I found amusing was the response to the proposal to play local Australian footy matches at Birchgrove Oval, the site of the first ever rugby league game in Sydney in 1908.
Birchgrove Oval has a small sign that acknowledges the first ever league game. But today, cricket and soccer are played regularly on the oval for years (it’s an oval after all). Suddenly when talk of “AFL” games arose, there was an outcry, local councillors stamping their feet and the SMH running updates in the paper every few days.
Weird.
The MCG (the site of the first ever Australian Rules game) has held league, Rugby, soccer, cricket, athletics etc etc…no-one ever thought to cry “war!”…
June 28th 2012 @ 1:34pm
Rodney McDonell said | June 28th 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Aussie rules was making in roads into NSW at the demise of the then Rugby Union. So much so that Aussie Rules games were making noticeable dents in RU attendences – in many cases out-stripping them.
There is a very good chance looking at the success the VFL had in promoting it’s game in NSW is that, by the late 20th Century NSW could have been considered Aussie Rules heartland on par with WA/SA – such was the inroads being made at the time.
It was only when in 1908 that the NSWRL was formed that the incursion by Aussie Rules was halted and reversed – although these only exaserbated the fall of RU at the time.
June 28th 2012 @ 2:01pm
Luke said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Fear? Bahahaha
Fudging crowd figures and giving away free tickets doesn’t make you successful.
June 28th 2012 @ 4:01pm
me, I like football said | June 28th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
No need to bait our Rugby League friends.
June 28th 2012 @ 2:07pm
wisey_9 said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
great article Ditraversa!
I’d like to think of myself as a soccer fanatic whose favorite teams are the Sydney Swans and Canberra Raiders! For me, there is no code-war, just a radical 10% or so that insist on whinging for the sake of whinging…
June 28th 2012 @ 4:56pm
Titus said | June 28th 2012 @ 4:56pm | Report comment
How does that work?
June 28th 2012 @ 9:19pm
TJ said | June 28th 2012 @ 9:19pm | Report comment
Agree Wisey, good call.
June 28th 2012 @ 2:12pm
The High Shot said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/06/05/code-war-good-absolutely-nothing/
You’re not alone, brother!
June 28th 2012 @ 2:58pm
stabpass said | June 28th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
Good article, although I feel the need to say that AF in the Riverina was way before the 1940′s, in fact, it goes back to to the 1880′s in and around Wagga, and predates RL in the area by 30 years.
There has been a recent thread on big footy by the Wookie, which links some articles about AFL written by RL journos, in particular by Roy Masters, and it is quite comical to say the least, it is a huge stack of articles, and for mine, shows how his head space and many other RL people think.
June 28th 2012 @ 3:54pm
DJW said | June 28th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
The code war began when the AFL poached NRL players.
Being honest, there was plenty of more skillful players in the AFL worth that sort of money.
How did you expect the rugby league lovers to react? The line was drawn in the sand then.
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June 28th 2012 @ 4:00pm
me, I like football said | June 28th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
If you previously had visited RL forums you’ld see that the ficticous war in their minds was going on way before before those players were poached. It’s not as though RL are innocent in this area anyway. The whole sport came out of poaching players from another code.
June 28th 2012 @ 4:02pm
Redb said | June 28th 2012 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
Incorrect.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/05/afl-western-sydney-vietnam-gallipoli-or-kokoda-take-your-pick/
June 28th 2012 @ 5:17pm
Australian Rules said | June 28th 2012 @ 5:17pm | Report comment
But didn’t the code war begin when rugby pinched Wendell…or Lote…or Rogers…or Tahu…or SBW…or…
June 29th 2012 @ 5:20pm
jdubya said | June 29th 2012 @ 5:20pm | Report comment
That code war is over 100 years old. Rugby League wasn’t supposed to survive this long.
June 29th 2012 @ 9:08pm
dan said | June 29th 2012 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
that’s pay-back for League taking All Blacks: John Gallagher, Frano Botica, John Schuster, John Timu, Va’aiga ‘Inga the Winger’ Tuigamala, Craig Innis and would-have-been an All Black Matthew Ridge.
July 27th 2012 @ 9:11am
bazza said | July 27th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
The NZ rugby union could have simply paid them instead of keeping all the income generated by those players
June 28th 2012 @ 3:58pm
DJW said | June 28th 2012 @ 3:58pm | Report comment
@aussie rules
RE: birchgrove oval- the main reason for the up roar was because part of AFL being played their was the soccer club had to relocate.
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June 28th 2012 @ 5:03pm
Titus said | June 28th 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
Exactly DJW
And I find these articles that say that there are no need for code wars because there is room for both Aussie Rules and Rugby League kind of annoying.
June 28th 2012 @ 5:16pm
Australian Rules said | June 28th 2012 @ 5:16pm | Report comment
No DJW, that’s not right.
Here’s the first article that appeared on the matter:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/afl-raid-on-the-cradle-of-league-20120620-20olf.html
Read the headline…then the opening line:
“AFL has invaded western Sydney and pinched two of the NRL’s best players. Now, the unthinkable; Aussie rules is set to be played on sacred rugby league soil, Birchgrove Oval.”
Soccer gets only a scant single mention.
Now here’s the follow-up article 2 days later:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/arl-commissioned-for-afl-stoush-20120625-20yno.html
Again, soccer is mentioned only once in passing.
June 28th 2012 @ 6:32pm
Titus said | June 28th 2012 @ 6:32pm | Report comment
AR–that “scant mention” is to mention that the Balmain and District Football Club (Soccer for you southerners) is to be relocated.
Why doesn’t AFL just find its own ovals? Why is Football being forced out? Why is AFL just cherry picking the best ovals in Sydney and telling other codes they can no longer play there?
June 28th 2012 @ 6:43pm
GCS said | June 28th 2012 @ 6:43pm | Report comment
Titus, the AFL are doing this because they can. Why wouldn’t they go after the best ovals.
I’m sure the soccer club can find another piece of grass that is suitable.
June 28th 2012 @ 6:53pm
Titus said | June 28th 2012 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
That’s what warmongers do GCS.
June 28th 2012 @ 7:37pm
Australian Rules said | June 28th 2012 @ 7:37pm | Report comment
Titus
The whole point of these article is to bash AFL and stir up “code war” sentiment (re-read the opening line).
The solitary reference to soccer just proves that the author (and his intended audience) don’t care about soccer either.
This isn’t my view, but clearly that’s the intent of the article: to bash AFL.
These comments do the same thing:
“Why doesn’t AFL just find its own ovals?”
“That’s what warmongers do.”
Spare us. You cry foul anytime something criticises soccer but rush to lay the boot in to AFL at every opportunity.
June 28th 2012 @ 7:59pm
Titus said | June 28th 2012 @ 7:59pm | Report comment
Wrong AR, you haven’t explained to me why it is ok that the Football kids get the boot.
The best answer I have is from GCS, “because they can”
Football is the most popular sport in the district, daylight second, Tim Cahill came through the area. Why, if the AFL flashes a bit of cash, is it ok that they boot the Football kids who have been there for years?
It is not fair and it is not rational, it is aggressive expansion.
June 28th 2012 @ 8:35pm
JVGO said | June 28th 2012 @ 8:35pm | Report comment
Titus don’t you know that the code war is strictly between AFL and NRL as the article argues, it is not between every other sport and AFL because that might lead us to infer that something about the AFL is less than perfect. We all know that simply cannot be the case. Repeat after me Titus. sexier, safer, more family friendly, just better in every way. You know it.
June 28th 2012 @ 8:37pm
Brewski said | June 28th 2012 @ 8:37pm | Report comment
@ Titus
The soccer club has been offered 2 new grounds up the road, costing the council $950,000 in upgrades, those grounds are not suitable for Australian football, Birchgrove Oval is.
The soccer club can use their new grounds saturday and sunday.
Please do some research before offering your usual ignorant opinions.
Birchgrove Oval was used by Australian football 5 years before RL existed in this country, and they are not taking over, only using it one day a week, RL will still be played there on sundays and cricket in cricket season.
June 28th 2012 @ 9:59pm
JVGO said | June 28th 2012 @ 9:59pm | Report comment
Brewski, there is only one oval on the Balmain Peninsular, Birchgrove Oval, and obviously 3 codes want to play there now that AFL has decided that it should move from where it has formerly played into Balmain itself. So what in effect is hppening is that Balmain soccer club is being asked to move out of Balmain and to play in another suburb next to Leichhardt where there are in fact two soccer clubs already. This in effect is telling kids from Balmain that you may as well go and play for Leichhardt becasue there is really no soccer played in Balmain. If you want to play sport in Balmain you will need to play AFL.
That this might cause friction is of course a mystery to everyone in AFL land where whatever the AFL does is unquestioned. I guess (if the brilliant article we are referring to is to be believed) the fact is that only 10% of people really care is because they are the ones who are involved in the other sports, coaching, running the clubs, reffing etc and they are the ones feeling the effect of the AFL with its professional development officers and coaches and their oodles of money coming in and taking the ground from under the feet of traditional community based volunteer run clubs.
Maybe this is what the author really means when they say that we are embracing the corporate freedoms of the 21st century – simply that any corporate entity with the money will provide us the sole choice of its product over anything that is not corporate, but rather volunteer and community run. That right there’s a freedom I can see is really worth embracing. But obviously from the replies to this nonsenrse article once you’ve embraced that freedom you can no longer think for yourselves.
June 28th 2012 @ 10:54pm
Australian Rules said | June 28th 2012 @ 10:54pm | Report comment
Your “AFL is the boogeyman” argument is compelling as always JV, but the uproar about Birchgrove had nothing to do with soccer at all…it was purely due to the mere presence of Australian Footy at the oval.
But anyway, please resume with: “Those furreners tuk our jaarbs!”
June 28th 2012 @ 11:19pm
Brewski said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:19pm | Report comment
The uproar and paranoia about all this is just representative of your state of mind JVGO , the current Balmain Australian football club plays out of Henson park, all it is trying to do is return to its origins.
It is a community based club, inot some weapon in a code war, that operates in your mind, I would be very suprised if its members were aware of the RL plaque at Birchgrove Oval, hell no-one can read it anyway.
The Balmain and DISTRICT soccer club are being offered new upgraded grounds, and it would be interesting to see how many of their members were actually from Balmain, no-one wants to see them lose out, and i am sure if Balmain AF club could use another OVAL in the area they would.
Common sense would see this worked out to the satisfaction of everyone, thats what we all wan’t … don’t we ??.
June 28th 2012 @ 11:32pm
JVGO said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:32pm | Report comment
There is another ground at Glebe Point about a mile away where AFL is played already Brewski and AR. Have either of you ever even been to Balmain or have any idea what you are talking about?
June 28th 2012 @ 11:46pm
Brewski said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:46pm | Report comment
Yes i do know the area and Jubilee Oval is what you are talking about, a junior AF club uses it, and maybe it is on the radar for senior use, i don’t know, ATM the Glebe Greyhounds use it, amongst other clubs from other codes, perhaps it is too small.
June 28th 2012 @ 11:49pm
Titus said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:49pm | Report comment
Brewski–they are called the Balmain and District Football Club, why is that so hard for you to say?
Just right FC if you have to.
June 28th 2012 @ 11:52pm
JVGO said | June 28th 2012 @ 11:52pm | Report comment
Jubilee is bigger than Birchgrove Brewski, if you are familiar with the area?
June 29th 2012 @ 12:12am
Brewski said | June 29th 2012 @ 12:12am | Report comment
@Titus
I like to avoid confusion when i post, so i make a clear differentiation, everyone understands, others make a habit of attempting to confuse things.
The Balmain Dockers official name is Balmain Australian Football Club.
June 29th 2012 @ 12:44am
JVGO said | June 29th 2012 @ 12:44am | Report comment
The simple fact Brewski is that since RL is actually unaffected by the replacement of soccer by AFL at Birchgrove then it really can’t be objecting to the council. I believe the original article I saw used RL personalities to publicise the issue and they said that RL was unaffected but that they hoped that in the long run RL wouldn’t be forced off the historic park by AFL.
The simple fact that the council is still reviewing the matter would suggest that Balmain Soccer has issues with the proposed outcome not the RL who are as yet unaffected. The only thing I’ve read in the local papers is that the council is sceptical of some of the figures produced by the AFL, as you would be, and are revisiting the matter. The fact is ithat it is the AFL who are responsible for the proposal and the disturbance to the status quo and who are peddling incredible arguments regarding the AFL reclaiming what is rightfully theirs. How bizarre.
Really this Birchgrove issue is a clear example of how ridiculous and misleading this current article is when contrasted to the reality on the ground where the codes are squabbling over the allocation of scarce resouces, playing fields and ratepayers funds.
June 29th 2012 @ 4:34am
The_Wookie said | June 29th 2012 @ 4:34am | Report comment
And yet for a council its not necessarily that simple. If the SydneyAFL said they’d pay the maintenance cost of the facility as they have done elsewhere, that might be a factor in this. Scarce council resources can sometimes be stretched further if people are putting their hands in their pockets.
June 29th 2012 @ 6:48am
Australian Rules said | June 29th 2012 @ 6:48am | Report comment
JVGO, I’ll refer you again to the opening line of the SMH article:
“AFL has invaded western Sydney and pinched two of the NRL’s best players. Now, the unthinkable; Aussie rules is set to be played on sacred rugby league soil, Birchgrove Oval.”
In light of this and other points noted above, you really think it’s the AFL, and not the Sydney media, who are peddling this phony “war”.
June 29th 2012 @ 8:32am
clipper said | June 29th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
The point with Balmain and Birchgrove is that they used to be solid working class areas and therefore league heartland. This has not been the case for quite a while – especially Balmain. As Titus said, Football would now be more popular than league in the area, although there is a lot more interest in Aussie Rules than way out west.
Jubilee oval is a large, very picturesque ground, but has a large club there already with many divisions, so perhaps putting another club there is not an option.
June 29th 2012 @ 8:41am
JVGO said | June 29th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Well so it seems that what we actually have at Birchgrove is a proposal from the AFL to move Balmain Soccer out of Balmain to another suburb at the cost of $1 million in rate payers money in order that the AFL can reclaim its historic rights to Birchgrove oval (where the hell have they been for last 100 years exactly?) so the AFL can in fact occupy two ovals within a mile of each other. Obviously a great proposal….for the AFL.
And the soccer whingers are complaining? And the damn NRL Tele is giving this insignificant soccer club publicity? Definitely unbelievable. As Ditraversa states (just the latest in a long line of feeble minded AFL apologists) don’t they understand to the principles of corporate freedom in the 21st Century, which I guess means whoever has the most money wins.
All so edifying. It’s amazing how free you can feel when you mouth exactly what a corporation, (not Exxon or Goldman Sachs nor News Ltd but in this cse the AFL) wants you to. And they should get rid of that damn dirty plaque while they’re at it I guess too.
June 29th 2012 @ 9:15am
Brewski said | June 29th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
@JVGO,
The SAFL have never said they are are interested in reclaiming Birchgrove, because that is rightfully theres, that is just more code war nonsense in your head.
And initially it was RL up in arms like they normally are because AF was making approaches to play at Birchgrove, which they are entitled to do.
It is just another smear campaign from people like you, first it was Phil Gould and Mark Geyer with the tsunami of AFL out West , then Canberra Raiders and GWS local Governement sponsorship whinge, , then the NRL and Wagga council etc etc etc.
RL whinges about Birchgrove, but look at the state of the plaque there, it is a zero sum game they are playing.
June 29th 2012 @ 11:51am
Australian Rules said | June 29th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
I must say Brewski, it did occur to me that if Birchgrove Oval was truly the holy ground that league fans are now making it out to be, surely there’d be something more appropriate than that small, rather dilapidated, sign.
June 29th 2012 @ 1:31pm
JVGO said | June 29th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
brewski, I believe we have ascertained that it is Balmain Soccer who is objecting as it is the party affected and it was you who were stating that AFL ‘was played there 5 years before RL ever existed’ or in fact played its first ever game at Birchgrove. Obviously as the Cattery would have pointed out (may he rest in peace) in 150 years when we are enjoying the even greater corproate freedoms of the 22nd Century and universal happiness under the banner of the Aussie Rules noone will believe that anyone ever objected to anything the AFL wanted to do. It will no doubt appear completely unbelievable, no matter what a few barely legible plaques might say.
July 2nd 2012 @ 6:02pm
Micro said | July 2nd 2012 @ 6:02pm | Report comment
JVGO
My understanding is that the soccer club will get 2 day weekend access at their new rectangular grounds which is better than where they are now and it is an oval so better suited to AFL and their JUNIOR players. But information is hard to glean from this overblown distortion about the threat to NRL when the soccer clubs issues barely get a mention which is more of a story. If you cant see media incompetence here (at best), I feel some sympathy. BTW Bennys antics with the Leagues Club may scuttle the whole Leagues club redevelopment and maybe this was an AFL feint for the SMH to go in hard about Elias involvement.
July 2nd 2012 @ 7:13pm
JVGO said | July 2nd 2012 @ 7:13pm | Report comment
Micro, who cares what Brewski from Perth, AR from brisbane or you from wherever have to say on the matter in support of the AFL’s stance. The fact is that the Balmain Soccer club objects. Living in the district I have had many friends whose kids have played soccer for Balmain. It’s a middle class club with a participatory ethos and they are happy for their kids to play in lower divisions mainly and feel good about themselves. I have also had kids come from Balmain come to play with the club my son played for becasue they wanted a more competeive higher division club.
If you have ever been to Birchgrove, which likely none of you have, you will understand that the Balmain peninsular is cut off by the major traffic artery of Victoria Road and hence has a confined village atmosphere. Birchgrove oval is the only oval on the peninsular and the local kids can walk there. To move them to other ovals on the other side of Victoria Rd would mean they need to be driven.
The Balmain AFL club is a senior club and has no juniors as I understand. The Local junior AFL club is the Glebe Greyhounds who play at Glebe Point about a mile away. Balmain AFL has been playing at Henson Park in the senior comp and I can guarantee you there are not 1600 AFL juniors residing the small Leichhardt council area which consists of 5 small suburbs
By moving the kids out of Balmain you may as well tell them to go and play for Leichhardt which is an italian Heritage club which Tim Cahill played with and has a totally different ethos. When my kid played Leichhardt in the top divisiom U8′s they turned up with video cameras to record the match for training purposes and proceeded to score a headed goal from a perfectly executed corner, pretty impressive for a bunch of 8 year olds. This is not the ethos of Balmain Soccer club. It seems they are happy at Birchgrove and object to being told to move.
Really being lectured by people from interstate about what we in Sydney should think and where our loyalties should lie is wearing extremely thin.
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:41pm
Brewski said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:41pm | Report comment
AF in Sydney needs more grounds, and if it turns out soccer is happy with moving to new upgraded grounds, then everything should be sweet.
There is a very good reason why Birchgrove Oval is needed.
2007 62 senior AFL teams in local Sydney divisions.
2008 63
2009 68
2010 71
2011 78
2012 84
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:04am
JVGO said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:04am | Report comment
Brewski, well I hope you have put your submission in. Maybe you could fly over from Perth and deliver it yourself, just knock on the door at leichhardt town Hall, introduce yourself. They made a movie about the place once called Rats in the Ranks. Stabpass could come with you and visit his ranger friends out at Holroyd Council too. What a time you’d have touring the AFL sites, Breakfast Point, Blacktown, obscure pubs in Alexandria. Clipper is the man to show you around.
July 3rd 2012 @ 8:20am
Brewski said | July 3rd 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
You could meet us there with your pitchfork !.
June 29th 2012 @ 9:53am
Redb said | June 29th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Cant see the problem. Just code war mongering.
June 29th 2012 @ 10:23pm
Norm said | June 29th 2012 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
I never know if to feel flattered, humored or just plain pity when JVGO attempts to ridicule my name. He, of course, has to hide behind an acronym for joint venture & gets delight from attacking a real name. In doing so he reveals the lack of any argument based on fact. Whilst attacking others for not having facts he shows true moral bankruptcy by trying to appear smart & superior. It is an arrogance born from the tall poppy syndrome – so prevalent in Sydney. The fact is – he hates Aussie Rules & the AFL whilst claiming to speak on behalf of 2 million people in western Sydney….or is it 5 million Sydneysiders? Hatred is not an Aussie value.
June 29th 2012 @ 11:43pm
JVGO said | June 29th 2012 @ 11:43pm | Report comment
Thanks Norm, but it is you who continually call me out, not the other way around. It would be preferable however if you could try to remember what i actually say, instead of continually misrepresenting my point of view. although i guess it may not be your fault that you can’t remember or fail to comprehend. I actually think AFL is a wonderful pastime that keeps Melbourne, or Perth or wherever, usefully distracted from poking their noses into more important business, but I would rather it just didn’t continually try to undermine every other sport in the country.
June 29th 2012 @ 6:12pm
Jaceman said | June 29th 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
The Dockers played at drummoyne oval which they shared with Rugby and cricket without problem but its too small for AFL…The point was the original article never mentioned soccer moving etc so it was code war stuff.. ludicrous…
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:40pm
Micro said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
Closer to the truth today; but still no mention of soccer getting better fields elsewhere…
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/space-is-the-final-frontier-as-more-young-players-enter-the-field-20120701-21b2y.html
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:57pm
JVGO said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
It also doesn’t point out that the AFL club is a senior club and I don’t believe caters for young kids, so by moving soccer from the Balmain peninsular you are in effect removing kids sport from the suburb.
June 28th 2012 @ 4:18pm
Mark Young said | June 28th 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
In one hundred years from now
If Carlton and Collingwood aren’t playing at the MCG and
If League isn’t being played at Leichhardt oval and
If the Wallabies and All Blacks is not a titanic struggle that grips the country, and
If every adult doesn’t have a Socceroo scalf in the cupboard….
then that is a big step backward for Sport in this country.
June 28th 2012 @ 9:23pm
TJ said | June 28th 2012 @ 9:23pm | Report comment
Good call Mark
June 28th 2012 @ 4:19pm
DJW said | June 28th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
@ MLF
You’ve missed my point, I’m saying the real code war started then. Earlier yes it may have been fictional.
Also Rugby league was poaching union players which is still happening to this day, these two sports are similar. You and me both know (honestly) that Aussie rules and league are far different sports and that an AFL team would be able to find a better player within their own ranks. Seriously.
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