Carlton not injured, just soft
By Cameron Rose, 2 Jul 2012 Cameron Rose is a Roar Expert
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Are injuries to blame for Carlton’s derailed season, or is this just another excuse from a club whose mental strength compares unfavourably to that of Sam Stosur?
Popular opinion is that the Blues have been ‘decimated’ by untimely injuries to key personnel, which is the main reason behind them losing four matches in a row, and six of their last seven.
Frankly, I’m not buying it.
This is a club where whinging is the favourite pass-time. There have already been many memorable instances this season.
It all started with Sam Lonergan’s ferocious, agenda-setting tackle on Andrew Carrazzo in the opening minutes of Carlton’s round four defeat at the hands of Essendon.
Carrazzo broke a shoulder blade as a result, but rather than taking the opportunity to use this event as a motivator, the Blues showed themselves to be spineless, allowing the Bombers to run rampant over the course of the day.
When asked about the incident, rather than talk about how football is an often brutal sport of hard men and harder play, Carrazzo’s reaction was to be ‘disappointed with how it happened’.
Marc Murphy was on Channel Seven’s Game Day on the Sunday following the match and stated that the team was ‘looking forward to playing Essendon next time’ when asked about Lonergan’s tackle, a veiled threat of payback contained within. Never mind the 115 minutes of football he and his teammates had to avenge the perceived injustice the day before.
Some unruly Blues fans needed to vent their anger at Carlton’s inept performance that day, and decided that Twitter was the right forum, and Lonergan the right target, attacking him with abuse and threats. These were acts of cowardice far below anything we’ll see on the field this year.
In fact, any person targeting sportspeople on Twitter merely confirms themselves as the lowest common denominator.
Twitter was the next scene of the victim mentality held by Carlton players, Marc Murphy involved again, along with Jeremy Laidler and Jarrad Waite, all three complaining about the umpiring in the round 12 West Coast game.
Never mind that the Eagles were first to the ball with the hardness that is their forte, and never mind that the free kick count was only 23-21 West Coast’s way, the loss was apparently all the umpires’ fault.
So now that we’ve established the ‘culture of complaining’ so prevalent at Carlton, let’s get back to this supposedly horrific injury count.
The Blues have used 32 players this year, the same as West Coast, Hawthorn, North Melbourne and St Kilda, and less than Collingwood and Geelong, all teams above them on the ladder. Even Essendon and Adelaide have used only one less, so the difference is negligible.
Marc Murphy has been a significant loss after being cannon-balled by Patrick Dangerfield. He’s missed five matches so far, but haven’t Collingwood also had premium midfielders miss a lot of football? Dale Thomas has watched four matches from the stands, Scott Pendlebury three, and Dane Swan two. The Pies have won all of them.
Andrew Carrazzo, that rare breed of tagger who wins more possession that his opponent, is a critical element of the Carlton midfield. A player of his quality missing seven games can’t be covered, right?
I wonder if the Hawks feel that way about Luke Hodge, the Pies about Luke Ball, and the Eagles about Mark LeCras? All are just as important to their clubs as Carrazzo is to the Blues, and between them have played five matches this season.
The difference is that Hawthorn, Collingwood and West Coast moved on, putting more faith in next generation players like Bruest and Whitecross, Beams and Sidebottom, Shuey and Selwood. All three sides are strongly favoured for a top-four position.
Meanwhile, Carlton brings back limited triers Brock McLean and Aaron Joseph while the promising Kane Lucas and Andrew Collins run around at VFL level, the latter two collecting 59 disposals for Northern on Saturday.
Jarrad Waite has only played six games this year, but please don’t tell me that Brett Ratten has this 29-year-old crock as the key plank in his plan to deliver premiership glory to the navy Blue hordes?
For all of Waite’s abilities, he’s only had one top three best and fairest finish in his career, and from the start of 2009, a year in which Carlton returned to the finals and has stayed since, the versatile swingman has played only 43 of a possible 82 matches, a return of just over 50%.
To put it simply, Waite is a bonus addition if and when he is fit to play, not a key member of the side.
Jeremy Laidler has been a handy addition to the backline since crossing from Geelong, but has only played four matches this year, and won’t be returning. He’ll be the classic case of an injured player becoming much more important while absent. Watch for his powers to become a combination of Glenn Archer and Andrew McLeod the longer he is out.
Instead, we’ll know that he’s played only 25 games since being drafted in 2008, and couldn’t find a spot in the top ten in Carlton’s best and fairest last year.
Good teams have an army of Laidler-type ‘role players’ in reserve, and the top sides have all called on unheralded players to fill holes this year when required.
Apart from Murphy, Carazzo, Waite and Laidler, it’s basically been all hands on deck for the Blues in 2012.
Instead of injuries, it’s been players hopelessly out of form and devoid of confidence that has been the problem.
Chris Judd is struggling under the burden of carrying this team for years, Michael Jamison hasn’t been at his best, Chris Yarran has been a disgrace, toe injury notwithstanding, Bryce Gibbs plays with a confused mind, Kade Simpson hasn’t been allowed to free-wheel in Murphy’s absence, Andrew Walker found consistency in 2011 but perhaps it was fleeting, while Jeff Garlett has been playing with all the impact of Leon Davis in the 2002 grand final.
But the biggest problem has been Matthew Kruezer. Jack Watts has been unfairly maligned as an under-performing number one draft pick, while Kreuzer has been given a free pass. The Carlton big man has the lowest output-to-reputation ratio in the league.
Admittedly his cause hasn’t been helped by the ridiculous notion of playing three ruckmen, which tells me that Brett Ratten still doesn’t know what his best set up is.
But Ratten’s worthiness as senior coach is a story for another day.
Carlton are in free-fall at the moment, but don’t listen when their supporters whine about injuries, for it will just be another sign of mental weakness that has enveloped the club.
According to the much-lauded membership campaigns, Carlton were ‘coming’, but now they’re going. We can smell what they’re cooking, and it’s the whiff of failure. ‘No passengers’ has become ‘all passengers’.
I am Carlton? No thanks.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.
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July 2nd 2012 @ 8:29am
andyincanberra said | July 2nd 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
I think that any criticism of Kreuzer is a little unfair. He’s a ruckman, his skills will not automatically transfer to the forward line. Carlton should be using this year to develop their depth, how many 1st year players have they played? Collingwood has played 7.
July 2nd 2012 @ 8:47am
Brewski said | July 2nd 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Kruezer is more of a ruck rover than ruckman, plays his guts out IMO.
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:03am
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Carlton have to draw a line in the sand against Collingwood this Friday night or else its all over for 2012 and probably Ratten by the end of the year.
Do think Do! lol
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:10am
D.Large said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Whack, whack, whack and not one of them unjustified.
I don’t know how it came to pass but a significant portion of the people I follow on Twitter happen to be Carlton supporters and what guff and excuses they have been going on about lately. Couldn’t agree more about Laidler, I mean give me a spell!
I bet Carlton supporters now wish they had called the name Cotchin rather then Kreuzer on that fateful day back in 2007.
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:12am
Wayno said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Poor old Carlton, my heart bleeds. The top two teams in the competition have been hit harder with injuries than the Blues. They seem to be doing alright.
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:20am
The Oudsman said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:20am | Report comment
I like many were seduced by their early season form. They seemed to me the best placed ‘team’, a great mix of talls and smalls, role players such as Hampson and Duigan playing their part, Kreuzer showing us why he had been regarded so highly, and a midfield that could afford to hide quality such as Simpson and Scotland as fourth and fifth bananas.
Simultaneously many were questioning the Pies ability to cover injuries, and it was felt that they didn’t have the 30 to 32 man roster required to sustain a tilt at premiership glory.
How wrong we were. 10 weeks on and it’s a stark case of role reversal. The Blues are lifeless beneath their best 22, whatever that may be, and perhaps even within it.
I am Carlton? Who are they?
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:31am
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Interesting article that while designed to prompt a reaction plays a little fast and lose with the truth.
Lets start with the backline, at one stage this year Duigan, Yarran, Henderson & Laidler were all missing that’s 4 out of the best 6 backmen, even on Friday night Henderson and Lailder were missing, which meant Jamison had to take Franklin instead of Roughhead, the 20 yer old Watson had to take Roughhead and the 18 year old Bootsma had to take Gunston, that’s a big difference to the Henderson, Jamison Laidler match ups.
Now the Midfield, Carrazzo & Murphy a massive losses and yes the likes of collingwood have had injuries to their top flight midfielders as well but as I have said before, they are a lot more advanced in their list development. Go back and look at the list Ratten inherited, he has had to rebuild a whole team, the depth stage is just beginning.
As for the forward line, yes the blues shouldn’t be relying on Waite as teir key forward and maybe they should of brought in some young key forwards in recent times, hang on they picked up Mitchell & Casboult but they have had long term injuries so maybe they needed a mature age key forward as cover, oh wait they did but he has cancer.
As for Lucas and Collins, both have had chances to grab a spot, Lucas got the first 6-7 games of the year but neither has been able to take it and if you look at lucas’ stats in the VFL prior to the weekend you will see they are underwhelming. In fact he is a major part of the problem this year. While Collingwood has young midfielders bob up ans grab their chance Lucas hasn’t.
I would much prefer Joseph out of the side but he does a job, on Friday he took Rioli out of the game and as for McLean, look at his stats in the last 5 weeks and the blocking work he does around the stoppages, he is far from the problem and could well be a key figure once Murphy returns.
You point to Walker and Jamison as being under par which is true but have a look at their preseasons (or walkers first month of the season) and you could see injuries have played a part there.
As for Kreuzer I thin you are right, he needs to stand up, right now if the blues go away from their 3 Ruckmen approach he is the one on th block. That said their are rumours he is carrying an injury as well.
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:38am
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Bring back Fev he’s learned a few moves on Dancing with the Stars.
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:44am
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
I know you are being smart but that is another issue, a team was being built around having a 80 goal plus a year full forward then the landsacpe changed at a time when finishing 7th or 8th didn’t get you a top 10 pick, finishing 6th last year got the blues pick 16 or 18 or something.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:19am
andyincanberra said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Carlton’s lack of a big forward really is biting. There’s an article in the Heraldsun today talking about how Betts is their leading goal kicker. I have a nagging feeling that the Blues may make a play for Dawes. I don’t think that Cloke is going anywhere.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:33am
Matt F said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
The lack of a big forward is an issue for the Blues but it’s not as big of an issue as some have made out. They didn’t really have one last year and they were still a good side. the Top 4 goal kickers for the Swans this season are Jetta, Mcglynn, Kennedy and Jack yet they’re sitting in second spot.
July 2nd 2012 @ 11:25am
Poohdini said | July 2nd 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
lol Chris Dawes is contracted til the end of 2013.
July 2nd 2012 @ 2:20pm
hawker said | July 2nd 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
lol oh no poor collingwood
July 2nd 2012 @ 11:30am
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Andy – You are right, if you look at the Stats from Friday night weren’t that different in disposals, contested possessions, tackles and clearances, just one side had good key forwards.
As for Dawes – i wouldn’t wish him on my worst enemy, very much over rated
July 2nd 2012 @ 11:37am
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
Dawes would be let go by Collingwood, but he’s not much chop.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:13am
Cameron Rose said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Macca,
Sounds like more excuses to a large degree, none of which I was hearing when Carlton were 3-0 this year, or even 5-1 after round six?
And now we’re hearing about Mitchell, Casboult and Rowe, which is they type of expectant talk we expect to be coming from Melbourne or Gold Coast. I was guilty of over-rating Carlton after their exciting start, like many others, and I think The Oudsman sums it up well in his first paragraph above.
Look at Carlton’s B&F top ten from last year. Judd, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson filled 2nd-5th and have missed two games between them. Walker was 6th and only missed the first four matches, so has been present for the losing run, Robinson, Betts and Jamison were 7th-9th and have only missed two games between them.
The depth has proven to be very, very poor.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:52am
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
CAmeron – You say the depth is very very poor but dismiss the fact that the players who are suppoed to provide depth in the key forward depatment have all been injured!!
How many key forwards do you expect a list to carry? And why is the talk of the key forwards just “expectant talk”? Do you want the blues to have somehow nabbed a Travis Cloke in the draft at pick 34 last year?
July 2nd 2012 @ 9:46am
Rob said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Sounds like the writer may have had Kruezer in his Supercoach team this year, not happy at all with him.
Always great to see clubs eating their own when its not you and its especially great when its Carlton.
Poor Sam Stosur, she’s achieved far more than this group ever will, ultimate success and over achieved in the big tournaments, something Carlton certainly can’t lay claim to.
I am Carlton, and i’m going to miss the 8.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:15am
Poohdini said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
As someone who enjoys Collingwood wins & Carlton loses I am one biased Poohdini! But when I chuck in my falsies & close the gaps between my teeth I can make some unbiased sense. I forgot my falsies at home today so this is the rabble that you’re going to get.
For years people have overrated the team that looks good on paper. Here are some stats for you that people tend to overlook!
Top of the ladder 2 years in a row and possibly 3 after this year.
7 loses in 2 and half years.
2 Grand final appearances in the past 2 yrs. 1 Win 1 Lose. Possible 3rd appearance in 2012.
A 2011 Brownlow Medallist
Arguably the best player in the league (Not the 2011 Brownlow medallist)
The highest contested marking forward in the league.
What has Carlton done in the past couples of years to make anyone believe that they can take it to the best sides in this league?
Nothing but try and fool the world to think they are better then what they really are. Just like Hawthorn! You don’t see Essendon, West Coast or Adelaide pumping their tyres up like Carlton!
Take a leaf from the rest of league Carlton and say you’ve made it when your there.
Best article I’ve read all year!
Poohdini out!
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:51am
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Despite the odd bit of spittle I read you loud and clear Poohdini
I’d add even you do make it, like Geelong you just get on with it.
July 2nd 2012 @ 1:40pm
Strummer Jones said | July 2nd 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Poohdini,
Betts wears low rapper style homeboy/’Do the right thing’/Boyz in the ‘Hood footy shorts. I don’t see anyone at Collingwood do this. I’d give Carlton that at least in the “what has Carlton done in the past couple of years” table you ask about.
July 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm
hawker said | July 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
“Top of the ladder 2 years in a row and possibly 3 after this year.
7 loses in 2 and half years.
2 Grand final appearances in the past 2 yrs. 1 Win 1 Lose. Possible 3rd appearance in 2012.
A 2011 Brownlow Medallist
Arguably the best player in the league (Not the 2011 Brownlow medallist)
The highest contested marking forward in the league.”
geez if the pies don’t win the flag this year it will be 1 from 3 despite their dominance and superstars as you point out. would rival essendon’s underachievement of 99-01
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:46am
Matt F said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:46am | Report comment
Carlton strike me as a rather unbalanced side, both in their current 22 and their overall squad. At their best they have one of the best midfield groups in the competition but their forward line is weak. They have good depth in the ruck but you could argue that none of them are among the eltie ruckemn in the competition. Why they play three of them in the one game is beyond me. Essendon tried that and quickly abandoned it when it became clear that the balance wasn’t right.
They also, clearly, don’t have depth. Yes they’ve been hit by injuries but, as you mentioned, it’s no worse then many other clubs have gone through this season. It’s also hard to believe that even with their injuries, the 22 players put out by Carlton is 70 points worse than Adelaide, 9 goals worse than Port and 50 points worse than the Hawks. Or only able to win 1 of their last 7 matches.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:47am
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
“Apart from Murphy, Carazzo, Waite and Laidler, it’s basically been all hands on deck for the Blues in 2012.”
Other than the obvious that those are 4 very important players Jamison has missed 2 weeks (and possibly a few more now), Henderson 3 (and now a few more) Yarran 4, Duigan 4, Warnock 8, White 13, Davies 13 plus a few for Thortnon & Russell and on top of Mtichell, Rowe and Casboult I discussed earlier.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:53am
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Most teams have had significant injuries to key players and are still in the top 4, net alone the top 8. Collignwood, West Coast and Essendon.
July 2nd 2012 @ 10:56am
Cameron Rose said | July 2nd 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
As I said above Macca, have a look at your best and fairest from last year, plenty of names there that have barely missed at all.
Haha, White and Davies. I’ll be sure to back them for the Brownlow next year, guns that they are. Is this the same Henderson who was the whipping boy of the Carlton faithful for so long? Gee, a few of them have changed their tune.
So basically, you’re saying that Carlton have had a few injuries, like every other team in the competition. I think Matt F sums it up perfectly just above.
July 2nd 2012 @ 11:40am
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Cameron – Again you bemoan the lack of Carlton depth but fail to acknowledge the players that are supposed to provide the depth are injured as well.
You say “Good teams have an army of Laidler-type ‘role players’ in reserve, and the top sides have all called on unheralded players to fill holes this year when required.” but then when I point out that 2 such players White and Davies hav been injured as well you write the comment off becasue they won’t win the brownlow.
And it’s not just the number of injuries but where. As I have said in the last 6 or 7 years the blues have had to completely rebuild their side, they first got great midifeld, then only last year did they rectify the backline by puttin Yarran and Henderson back (who has beaten Hednerson since he went back by the way) and brought in Laidler and Dugian but this year all of them have missed a lot of footy taking them back 2 years. They are still building a forward line and all the key forwards they have recruited in recent years are injured.
so what i am saying is not that they have had a few injuries but that the deficiecies they had a couple of years ago when they were struggling to make the 8 have retruned because the steps the have taken to remedy them have been removed through injury.
And as for not being of 50 point worse team than the hawks if you look at the game and the stats the blues matched the hawks in most areas, it was just when they got ascendency (like the last 4 minutes of the ifrst quarter) they had the key forwards to capitalise
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:07pm
Australian Rules said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Every team has injuries…some worse than others, but every team has them.
Carlton have flopped massively.
The club finished 5th last year and started gulping down its own bathwater.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:43pm
D.Large said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:43pm | Report comment
Macca,
How long are Carlton people going to be banging the drum about list ‘deficiencies’ that date all the way back to 2003 when you picked up Andrew Walker with your first of many priority picks. Civilizations have risen and fallen in less time than it seems to have taken Carlton to address their ‘deficiencies’. As a whole Carlton have used their many 1st round picks quite well, what does that say about the rest of the recruiting and list management that 10 yrs later the loss of 4 good players turns Carlton into Melbourne or the Dogs?
What about Carlton’s terrible trading that netted them Brock McLean with pick 11. What about giving away Grigg for Collins?
How have the likes of Sydney, Essendon, Adelaide, St Kilda, managed to rebuild lists twice over the last 10 years yet Carlton has been incapable?
I actually think Carlton is and will become a good team over the next couple of years, just spare us the excuses. They have been terrible, uncommitted and too reliant on their premium talent.
July 2nd 2012 @ 1:14pm
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
D.Large – Have a look at this list Carlton had When they got Murphy in the 2005 draft after being hammered by draft penalties at a time when they lost a clutch of long time greats.
They had to rebuild from scratch a situation the teams you metnion have not had to encounter.
As for their recruiting, well Mcleanhas been in the best players most of the last 5 weeks and Gysberts (the No 11 pick) hasn’t been great for Melb, Grigg for Collins well that was a case of take what you can get becasue Grigg was going anyway (despite Carltons best efforts) and you didn’t metnion trading to get Laidler, or getting Henderson and pick 12 for Fevola, the Judd deal has been win win.
They got Duigan with a late pick, Carrazzo, Garlett and Jamison were Rookies, Simpson wasn’t really high either.
They will be very good over the next couple of years with Watson, Bootsma, McInnes getting exposure this year (I assume McInnes will play in the next couple of weeks due to his form), and one or both of Mitchell or Casboult playing forward next year with Buckley and hopefully Lucas to come up as well.
As for being terrible, they were Against the 2 Adelaide sides, but look at the Geelong and West Coast games and you couldn’t say that, and even Friday they were about even on Tackles, contestedd possession, clearances and total disposals just used it worse and didn’t have a forward line that had Franklin Roughhead and Gunston in it.
July 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm
Cameron Rose said | July 2nd 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
Macca, you’ve mentioned the stats from the Hawthorn game a few times, but i’ve got to tell you, I reckon 50 points was as flattering as it could be towards Carlton.
Visually watching the sides, it looked the equivalent of a triple figure defeat.
There is no doubt the Blues need to sack up this week, because the entire football world will be hoping for Collingwood to win by fifteen goals, to plunge Carlton further into crisis.
July 2nd 2012 @ 2:44pm
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
CAmeron I actually watched the game on Saturdya night knowing the result and after being told how terrible the blues were.
Honestly for large periods of the game I thought they were quite competitive, they just didn’t have a tall forward and their ball use wasn’t as good as the hawks.
The margin was just under 9 goals and the hawks kicked 3 in the last 4 minutes of the first and 6 in the last half of the third.
And your assertion was that the blues were soft, if they were they would of been samshed in the tackle count, smashed in conested ball and smashed in the clearances.
July 2nd 2012 @ 3:40pm
micka said | July 2nd 2012 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
Macca, Im a Carlton member myself and while I do think injuries are playing a big part I think our main problem is finding blokes to go hard at it. Robinson is the ONLY bloke on our side who I could categorically say I think is putting it on the line. Even Judd seems to be hanging out the back of the contest for the easy ball.
We have a glamour side but it’s not the TEAM I knew.
I don’t want to sound like oikee but to have a team that would bleed for the jumper would be something else.
July 2nd 2012 @ 3:51pm
Macca said | July 2nd 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
Micka – You cna’t question Duigan or Tuohy in that department either and if you see Judd hanging out the back of a pack it is a rarity, as I generally see him with a pack hanging off the back of him.
Carrazzo works hard and Mclean laid 8 tackles on Friday night.
I don’t think you could ask much more of Ellard or Armifield in terms of effort either and while I think Carlton are better when he is out of the team Joseph did a great job against Rioli on Friday.
So while the blues obviously need to work harder, I hardly think they are soft or won’t “bleed for the jumper”.