Folau barbs are unfair: Sheedy
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Even after Israel Folau spent five weeks on the sidelines, Greater Western Sydney coach Kevin Sheedy found himself defending the club’s high-profile recruit.
The Giants lost Sydney’s AFL derby by 94 points on Saturday night but it was a low-key return in the seconds for Folau.
The 23-year-old, who has been nursing a hamstring injury since round nine, booted one goal in his NEAFL comeback and played roughly half of each quarter.
The pressure on Folau has mounted over the past month, with speculation once again growing the former rugby league star will head back to the NRL when his contract with GWS ends in 2014.
Former Essendon full-forward Matthew Lloyd has been the most vocal of Folau’s critics, opining his presence in the forward line will harm the development of talented teammates Jonathon Patton and Jeremy Cameron.
Sheedy suggested Folau “might come back” against Hawthorn on Sunday at the MCG, but it’s likely he’ll have another week in the reserves.
The four-time premiership coach said he would play Patton, Cameron and Folau in the same forward line and teed off against the likes of Lloyd.
“If Jonathon Patton or Jeremy Cameron only get five or seven possessions, that’s OK because they’re top draft picks,” Sheedy said.
“But if Izzy Folau gets only seven or 10 possessions he gets a kick in the head from everybody.
“It can be a bit unfair.
“These kids have been playing the game their whole life, and this bloke (Folau) has done nearly as much as both of those two boys in their early games.
“…Key forward’s a very difficult position to play – it doesn’t matter if you’re from outer space, Russia or NRL.”
More calvary could arrive for Folau next season, with Sheedy keen to sign more mature bodies to help his raw charges.
“We have a recruiting meeting this week and we’ll be out there scouring the countryside and looking at players that aren’t happy at their clubs and don’t think they’ll get a really good chance at their club,” he said.
“If they’re anywhere near off contract, or opposition clubs might let them go, we’ll work out what can happen.
“(GWS will look to sign players) between 21 and 26 (years old), someone that’s got a bit of life left in them.”
Sheedy said his side must avoid embarrassment against the Hawks.
“We’ve got to make sure the score’s not too negative – that’s part of developing this club,” he said
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July 2nd 2012 @ 9:48am
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Get Folau in the ruck. He has the leap this will allow him to get his hands on the sherrin and use his bulk to push through traffic in a similar way to Nic Naitinui in the midfield.
Full Forward is a tough position when your team struggles to put the ball laces out on the lead. It was always going to be slow process for Folau in a mostly development squad of players.
July 2nd 2012 @ 11:27am
Ian Whitchurch said | July 2nd 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Redb,
Thats actually what they’ve been doing – rotating him into the ruck ie 7 hitouts against Sydney and the Doggies.
Next years ruck rotation may well be Giles/Phillips/Folau, with an aged veteran to be named later.
His game by game stats are actually interesting
http://www.afl.com.au/statistics/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=career&playerids=22398&roundid=1085&playerid=22398
I dont think its a coincidence that Folau’s best game – against GC – was a GWS win.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:11pm
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Ian,
I think there is a parallel with Naitinui early days. He could leap over a tall building but his general game awareness was lacking (knowing where the ball is or going to be) and his possession count low.
Look at Nicnat now! Interestingly, he still struggles to get 20 possies a game 3 years down the track as a dominant player. Its not all about possessions its what you do with the your chances.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:24pm
Brewski said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
If he was playing for either WCE or Sydney Sweans on the weekend, how many goals would he have kicked ?, when your teammates are under extreme pressure to kick the ball lace out to you, full forwards are always going to struggle.
I am not convinced his heart is in it, time will tell, IMO he is having doubts.
I guess this proves just how easy Australian football at the highest level is to play !!!!!…..not.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:29pm
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Bewski,
I do have a question mark over Folau’s heart. K Hunt has always appeared a more fierce competitor.
Then again, full forwards can be laconic types – not all of them can be Michael Hurley
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:35pm
Brewski said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
It is quite possible to be blessed as a great athlete but have a pea heart, looks like tarzan plays like jane, not saying this is Folau though.
For his own sake, i hope he does do well, it appears that GWS has decided to take a lot of pressure off him, and stop using him as the face of the club, which IMO can only benefit him.
GWS are pretty smart, and building all the time for the future.
July 2nd 2012 @ 6:04pm
Micro said | July 2nd 2012 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
Actua;;y I thought they went better when he was off the field but I agree with your sentiment…
July 2nd 2012 @ 11:54am
Pot Stirrer said | July 2nd 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Was he really recruited to become a true AFL player or was it just the publicty ? I think it was the latter and that your flogging a dead horse as far as turning him into one. I am not having a dig at AFL, just saying id respect the game more if you come out and said hes not suited to AFL and it was all a publicity stunt. I wouldnt care if he came back to the NRL or not. Weve moved on from him as we have K. Hunt. Personaly i hope they go to french or Jap rugby when the AFL has had enough of them.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:02pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Pot Stirrer,
A big problem in this debate is we get a whole lot of really, really clueless people in it.
I think you’re one of them, so Im going to ask you a pretty basic question.
You’re an AFL coach. You want a key position forward, who will be at the core of your team for at least 5 years.
What qualities are you looking for ?
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:16pm
Pot Stirrer said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
I dont know the first thing about AFL so i couldnt tell you. But if you are seriously suggesting he was recruited becuase you think he will become one of your best players than fair enough. However i will have a little go.
A player who has grown up playing AFL and knows the game inside out.
Is renowned for his abilty to play long minutes.
Can be a leader of his team through his actions on the field.
is articulate to be able to to talk about the intracies of the game with the media.
A player respected by his peers and opponents for his abilities.
A player who is in it for the love of the game as much as the pay packet.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:27pm
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
The answer is not black and white.
Of course the money (Folau) and publicity (new team) was a factor.
Of course Folau was assessed for potential to make the transition to AFL football.
Does that mean it will work?… yes, no, maybe…
Its called risk taking and it is something intrinsic to our great game.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:36pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Pot Stirrer,
“I dont know the first thing about AFL so i couldnt tell you.” summed it up.
Your list is hilarious, by the way.
“A player who has grown up playing AFL and knows the game inside out.” What, like the AIS basketballer Pendlebury ? Or Zac Swallow, who played indoor soccer ? Or that young Adelaide 36er Dean Brogan ?
“Is renowned for his abilty to play long minutes.” I said KPF, not midfielder.
“Can be a leader of his team through his actions on the field.” How about take contested marks in the wet and then goal from 50 ? Or be a provider for his team-mates, by getting the hard ball and distributing it ?
“is articulate to be able to to talk about the intracies of the game with the media”. What, like Plugger was ? Or, even better, Travis Cloke.
“A player respected by his peers and opponents for his abilities.” Adelaide marked him with Talia, their best tall defender.
“A player who is in it for the love of the game as much as the pay packet.” I hate to break this to you, but Australian Football hasnt been amateur since the 1880s.
I just want to make it clear – your idea of a key position forward is Paul Kelly. Who played rugby league in Wagga.
July 2nd 2012 @ 1:15pm
Pot Stirrer said | July 2nd 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Ian, Chill out. Like i said i wasnt having a dig at AFL. I just think the longer this drags out the more obvious it is
that it was nothing more than a publicity stunt. Im sure it was hoped he could transition but that was not the driving factor. You can try and make it seem like a good idea all you want but id be suprised if 50% of AFL supporters dont think it was anything more, as much as they may not like RL or think im having a go at AFL which im not they know their sport and what it takes to be a real player for any code.
July 2nd 2012 @ 2:01pm
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
You cant have it both ways. So becuase K Hunt has become more attuned to the game its no longer a publicity stunt.
If Folau fails he fails.
July 2nd 2012 @ 2:45pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 2nd 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
Pot Stirrer,
Unlike you, I know a little bit about Australian Rules.
I want my Key Position Forwards to be young, to be strong, to be tall, to be able to jump, to be able to catch, to be able to kick straight and to have a liking for the physical side of the game.
Israel Folau ticks every one of those boxes.
Im also amazed you have the ignorance and the arrogance to say “hes not suited to AFL” and then admit “I dont know the first thing about AFL”.
You then bleat when you get called on it.
Finally, have a look at a 196 game premiership-winning AFL veteran, from back in 1998 when he was a rookie.
July 2nd 2012 @ 2:47pm
Pot Stirrer said | July 2nd 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
Is K. Hunt considered a success ? from the few articles ive read it doesnt sound like it to me.
Admitting it was a publicity stunt for them both is not degenerating your game, it would actually make sense.
And Ian, ive already stated i know nothing about AFL, however i am only basing my comments around the media reports that i see in the papers and articles and Comments on the ROAR.
July 2nd 2012 @ 3:25pm
Redb said | July 2nd 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Its generally accepted that Hunt has taken the next step this year and performing his role.
The Suns have been very poor overall and I think has taken some of the gloss of his games, but yes he is a success.
July 3rd 2012 @ 3:28pm
Gleeso said | July 3rd 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Ian, like Pot Stirrer I know nothing about the game of AFL. But surely he has smashed you here. I mean, if it was as you say recruitment officers would be worth zero because there are just no intangibles. Surely (a) having played the game before and (b) having a passion for the game of AFL would be critical.
July 6th 2012 @ 10:02am
Redb said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Gleeso and Pot Stirrer are the same? Know nothing about AFL , yet they comment.
Folau is keen on AFL that is well documented from his time in Melbourne. He has the attributes to succeed, will he? Time will tell.
Its called taking a risk. We have courage in our game.
July 2nd 2012 @ 12:26pm
Matt F said | July 2nd 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
There was an interesting stat in the paper today that shows his output is very similar to one Jonathan Brown at the same stage of his career. Now I’m not for a moment suggesting that he will be anything like Brown as a player but I think it does show that it’s far too early to completely write him off as a failiure. He’s only played 7 games after all.
He’s also missed a bit over a month with an injury. The way some people have been talking, you’d think he was the first player in history to be eased back in through the reserves after a lengthy lay-off.
July 2nd 2012 @ 4:36pm
TW said | July 2nd 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
Well at least the expected crowd for the Sydney Derby of about 20,000 to 25,000 at that ground was not far out – 22535 rocked up
In todays media Sheedy has said a major recruiting meeting to be held at the club this week.They will be perusing the “Free Agents” list very closely and the ranks of the senior comps in the heartland states.
Mature players up to 25 years old badly needed for 2013 he now says- Not interested in any 30 year olds.
Folau was an each way bet by the AFL -End of.
July 2nd 2012 @ 4:43pm
Pot Stirrer said | July 2nd 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
It was reported in the Sydney press that they were giving away upto 4 free tickets per person,
July 2nd 2012 @ 5:35pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 2nd 2012 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
Pot Stirrer,
Do you ever get tired of repeating lies ?
July 2nd 2012 @ 7:43pm
Rossi said | July 2nd 2012 @ 7:43pm | Report comment
I opened the Herald Sun today to see free tickets to the Storm game. Mate, I lived in Sydney for a while and went to a few NRL matches, and not once did I pay. All codes do it and especially in Sydney, where it’s near impossible to attract any sort of crowd. Heck, it’s relatively easy to get tickets to RL’s Grand Final. I went for free twice!
July 3rd 2012 @ 4:13pm
Gleeso said | July 3rd 2012 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
Rossi, great effort on the free tickets. You must know someone. Because I have never managed to get free tickets to an NRL game in Sydney.
In any case, it is the level of advertisement for the GWS and Swans game that left me gobsmacked. It was momentous. Particularly the TV ADS. There is nothing like it for NRL (or any other sport) in Sydney. Apart from my own team (Parra), I would not know when any particular Sydney NRL game is on. But I know when Swans and Giants games are on every week generally a week in advance. It is impressive and repulsive.
I am curious to know 1. the extent to which the Suns marketing budget outstrips the Titans and 2. Whether Storm advertise on TV at all ??? If there are not Melbourne Storm and Titans ads (in their respective markets) in the origin tmrw night it will be a crime.
July 3rd 2012 @ 4:53pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 3rd 2012 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
Gleeseo,
This is because the AFL is run professionally, and the NRL – overwhelmingly – isnt.
I’ll make an exception for Canterbury, by the way, who have done a great job of getting the crowd in.
July 3rd 2012 @ 4:54pm
Brewski said | July 3rd 2012 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
@Gleeso
You have never managed to get a free ticket to a NRL game !!.
Hard to believe as the NRL gave away over 180,000 free tickets to kids and junior club officials last year.
You must have a very limited social circle indeed.
July 4th 2012 @ 4:55pm
Jaceman said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
Link??
July 2nd 2012 @ 5:01pm
Pot Stirrer said | July 2nd 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
@ Ian
Unlike you, I know a little bit about Australian Rules.
I want my Key Position Forwards to be young, to be strong, to be tall, to be able to jump, to be able to catch, to be able to kick straight and to have a liking for the physical side of the game.
Wouldnt there be 50 of those running around that you could have picked up for say $100k a year or less ??
July 2nd 2012 @ 5:06pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 2nd 2012 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
Pot Stirrer,
Cure your ignorance. Go read the article on this fine site about Carlton. Note the comment how they dont have any good tall forwards.
Similarly, notice how much attention is being paid to Travis Cloke, and the sums that are being thrown around to hire him. Look at what Mitch Clark is earning.
There arent fifty of them. I’d argue there arent five of them, that tick all those boxes.
And Izzy’s *actual* problem, the thing that might stop his AFL career, the thing you’d know about if you learned enough about the code to troll GWS effectively, is that two of them currently play for the Giants.
July 2nd 2012 @ 5:48pm
Toa said | July 2nd 2012 @ 5:48pm | Report comment
Pot Stirrer,
Have a look the Sun’s talls, six three plus hail from different athletic backgrounds and all just hovering around 100k a year. Look closer (don’t read look) you’ll find they’re struggling without the publicity. Finding a tall with a physique and background like Israel is rare.
Ian,
here’s a thought how about a trade…. the Sun’s Hickey for Izzy?
July 2nd 2012 @ 6:12pm
Jaceman said | July 2nd 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
To come to Pot stirrers defence (in some way), Folau and Hunt were a combination of publicity stunt, great athletes, goodwill promotion in RL areas, showing island kids that the AFL is for them as well, allegedly good people and great potential at a young age to develop (and they didnt cost any draft picks) or angst from another AFL club – see Eddies latest rant on Cloke snatching.. So there were many reasons which always makes the perfect play and they were no more a publicity stunt than AFL’s retired Adrian barich for the NRL’s Reds or NFL’s Manfred Moore for Newtown. Hopefully they will last longer…
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:15am
Mike said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:15am | Report comment
Folau will never reach his true potential whilst playing with GWS with their current list. The model of recruiting mainly kids is fatally flawed. If he is to truly learn the game he needs to be surrounded by tried and true experienced players who can guide and mentor him on and off the field. Sheedy has seen this problem and has stated that he is looking for experienced players for next season, this will assist Folau as well as the other youngsters in the side. If the list remains the same Folau will never become a bona fide AFL player.
July 3rd 2012 @ 11:53am
Jaceman said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
The Sydnmey Morning herald has it in for the Giants. In the letters page today with a Folau photo – sports never get into the Letters page (unless drunk footy players) and a photo is a first
“Sheedy’s folly
The GWS Giants coach, Kevin Sheedy, is outraged and indignant at suggestions that the rugby league convert Israel Folau (pictured) may not succeed in the AFL (”Sheedy on side of Folau”, July 2). Why? If after two years of intensive ”re-education” Folau is reduced to playing in the reserves, aren’t sceptics entitled to voice their opinion? Isn’t some doubt warranted?
Perhaps it is Sheedy who now needs some ”re-educating”? Perhaps he is unable to see the obvious? Simply because the AFL chose to invest $6 million in Folau over his four-year contract was no guarantee of success. The old adage – ”You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear” – rings of the truth and commonsense. Depart from it at your own peril.
In his outrage, does Sheedy seriously expect us to believe that Folau was poached from rugby league for his potential alone? Even Blind Freddy knows Folau was primarily signed to be a pin-up boy and recruitment tool to lure Western Sydney youngsters into the AFL.
The AFL chose to invest in Folau rather then invest that $6 million on other raw, untried young potential footballers in western Sydney. It purchased a rugby league player instead. Surely even Kevin Sheedy should accept that’s precisely what they got? A rugby league player who in a little over two years will be back where he belongs, playing rugby league – albeit $6 million richer.
Crispin Walters Chapel Hill (Qld)”
BTW there is no C Walters in the Chapel Hill phone book which doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist but why would a Brisbanite write to the SMH and why would it get published if there wasn’t an agenda going on here
July 3rd 2012 @ 4:22pm
Gleeso said | July 3rd 2012 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
Come on Jaceman be fair. Izzy Folau has been shamelessly paraded around by GWS for two years. There would not have been a week gone by without a progress report as to Folau and his body in both the Herald and the Telegraph. It is a bit rich for Sheedy to get touchy now when his progress is being debated and questioned. It will continue.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:49pm
Brewski said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
I see Folau is still stirring intense interest amongst RL fans, will he make the grade, or will he not , the interest is still there, it’s all good.
July 4th 2012 @ 4:12pm
Pot Stirrer said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
I dont know that its interested as much as amused, but your right its all good
July 4th 2012 @ 4:17pm
Brewski said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:17pm | Report comment
Interested, amused, angry, bitter, ……. they all count !!.
July 4th 2012 @ 4:37pm
Pot Stirrer said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
Definatley angry and bitter at first but just amused now. Kind of feel sorry for him now to tell you the truth.
July 4th 2012 @ 5:01pm
Brewski said | July 4th 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
1. denial, 2. anger, 3. bargaining, 4. depression, 5. acceptance.
It’s OK, sounds like your at 3 now, you will pull through.
July 5th 2012 @ 9:36am
Pot Stirrer said | July 5th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
@ Brewski, LOL, Dont take it so seriously.
July 5th 2012 @ 9:55am
Brewski said | July 5th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Maybe you are still at stage 2 !.
July 5th 2012 @ 10:09am
Pot Stirrer said | July 5th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Smiling, i think your only at stage 1,
July 3rd 2012 @ 3:00pm
micka said | July 3rd 2012 @ 3:00pm | Report comment
Jaceman said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:53am “Why? If after two years of intensive ”re-education” Folau is reduced to playing in the reserves”
If you can find me an Aussie Rules player who hasn’t been back to the twos at some stage in their first year… especially after a reported 4 week hammy strain I would be astounded.
Reduced to playing in the reserves is something only someone who doesn’t know the game would say…
July 3rd 2012 @ 3:52pm
Gleeso said | July 3rd 2012 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
Izzy will struggle tomorrow night. I would expect he will be watching the game with his mates such as Benji Marshall, Kris Inu and his brother John (who is doing good things at Parra). They would be chipping away at him as he should be coming into his athletic prime as these guys are. He would be full of doubt about his AFL capability (and interest).
I would suggest by the end of the season all parties will have reached the conclusion that parting ways is for the best. Seriously as a publicity stunt it has been a failure (unless publicity is actually the end rather than a means to an end) and surely the money can be better spent on three or four AFL players.
July 3rd 2012 @ 5:06pm
Jaceman said | July 3rd 2012 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
Gleeso
The Storm boys (Smith, Slater) reported that he was very happy at GWS so at the moment I will believe that rather than your speculation based upon whatever. He may go back but GWS would pay more – someone to which some Leaguies would understand after offering money to Unions best stars for 100 years…As far as a publicity stunt goes, you are talking about it so I think it has worked…Some Leaguies prophesised that Izzy making a go would show how it easy it is to take up AFL, if he struggles they may have to rewrite the script – iThe GWS would have hardly raised a blip on WS if it hadnt been for Izzie so thanks for keeping it in the headlines…
July 3rd 2012 @ 8:06pm
Gleeso said | July 3rd 2012 @ 8:06pm | Report comment
the storm boys lack credibility. Depending on the AFL being humane, he will play NRL in 2013. He just is not happy.
July 3rd 2012 @ 5:06pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 3rd 2012 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
Gleeso,
Folau is doing just fine as a first year key position forward.
Australian Rules has a long tradition of converts – the basketballer above, missing the free throws, is one of GWS’ ruckmen, after playing 196 games of Australian Rules.
Flip to page 24 of this. Theres a reference to Scott Pendlebury coming third in scoring and second in assists in the 2005 Australian Youth Olympic Festival.
http://www.basketball.net.au/fileadmin/user…/X___O_March_05.pdf
That would be the Scott Pendlebury of Collingwood Football Club.
The key intangible for a kid is the ability to work, and to be coached. Folau has that. Arguably, not as well as Hunt, but he has that.
Hunt’s performance this year has definitely bought Folau time as well.
July 3rd 2012 @ 9:18pm
Gleeso said | July 3rd 2012 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
Pendlebury played stacks of Aussie Rules growing up. That is clear from a simple google search. Anyway. I am not saying it is not extremely easy to pick up AFL. Obviously it is.
July 4th 2012 @ 12:05pm
Jaceman said | July 4th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Gleeso,
The NRL defence no matter what happens – if he succeeds its because AFL is easy and if he fails then its because he is more suited to NRL. You seem to know more about Izzy than his Storm teammates “the storm boys lack credibility”- genius BTW avoid double negatives in a sentence.” I am not saying it is not extremely easy to pick up AFL.” Pendlebury is a good AFL player because he played stacks as a kid… ..
July 5th 2012 @ 1:48pm
Ian Whitchurch said | July 5th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Gleeso,
He didnt play in any of the national carnivals. He didnt play TAC cup. He didnt play serious junior footy.
Because he was in the AIS being an elite basketballer.
He plays like one too – very good 360 degree awareness in traffic.
Aussie Rules has a skills set that shares a lot of skills with a lot of other football codes. One of the things thats impressed me about Folau is just how good his set-shot kicking is – its an advantage to have picked that up from scratch, as it means you dont have bad habits to unlearn.
Finally, we saw all the same crap said about Hunt last year, and he’s now doing fine. Izzy will be the same – more time on the paddock into the brain, and another preseason into the legs and he’ll be fine.
July 6th 2012 @ 12:34am
Gleeso said | July 6th 2012 @ 12:34am | Report comment
OK. I recon GWS should approach Daniel Mortimer. He is OK at League (but to small) so he should excel at AFL. I could name about 100 guys from the NRL that would make the GWS & GCS team.
July 6th 2012 @ 10:03am
Redb said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Go ahead troll.
July 6th 2012 @ 10:12am
Brewski said | July 6th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/canterbury-great-chris-mortimers-son-ned-mortimer-signed-by-gws/story-e6frexx0-1226004692054
They have one Mortimer on their list.