Foley must go as Waratahs coach
By jeznez, 3 Jul 2012 jeznez is a Roar Guru
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The Waratahs board is being reported as endorsing Michael Foley to remain as coach next year. However, the bulk of the Waratahs faithful have already voted with their feet and stopped attending games.
How else can a Waratahs fan let the board know they are not satisfied with what is happening?
Foley met the board last week to conduct the season review, despite having two matches left to play. I don’t mind the timing of the meeting, these last matches are irrelevant to the season since the Waratahs cannot make the Super Rugby finals.
I want the Waratahs to perform well in these two matches, facing the Brumbies in Sydney and the Reds in Brisbane. Good results in these two games should not save a coach who has shown himself to be hopelessly out of his depth.
Apparently the core message from Foley to the board was that if he did not return next year it would be a case of leaving business unfinished. The injuries that the Waratahs suffered were mentioned as was tough scheduling.
Let’s look at this for a minute. Foley has been part of the coaching team at the Waratahs since 2009, although he only became head coach this year. Throughout this period the Waratahs have based their game plan around kicking. This over use of kicking has turned the fans off in droves.
Further, the plan has been poorly executed: both the kicks themselves and the lack of chase. Foley announced pre-season that the kicking game would be tweaked this year to make the kicks more attacking and stressed they would be contestable. However, there has been nothing different from the way the team have kicked this year.
Perhaps the exception was the match against the Stormers where the South African commentators noted that Berrick Barnes seemed to be attempting set a world record for kicking the ball away.
Kicking will always be part of rugby but the Waratahs kick too much and too poorly.
During Foley’s tenure at the Waratahs we have seen a transformation of the forward pack, they are getting bigger and bigger. Their strength is undoubted and their scrum is the strongest in the competition this year. However the fitness of the team and the ability of the pack to get around the park for 80 minutes is not good enough.
The match against the Brumbies down at Bruce really showed the ineffectiveness of the Waratahs pack in the critical period before half time. The number of close losses that the Waratahs have suffered this year also points to an inability to close out matches late. The ability to play an up tempo game is beyond this pack with their current levels of conditioning.
I could almost forgive the lack of fitness in the forwards if they had an incredibly strong mauling game to match their scrum. Having an offensive mauling game would suck opposition forwards in and create space for the backs. Unfortunately the Waratahs are poor maulers – both with and without the ball. So beyond scrummaging, what are all the hours in the gym rather than on the track gaining the Waratahs?
I have neither seen nor heard anything from Foley to indicate that the poor kicking or lack of fitness in the forwards will be addressed, so I’m not sure what the unfinished business that Foley cites is.
Injuries have severely disrupted or ended the seasons of Dan Vickerman, Rocky Elsom, Drew Mitchell, Lachie Turner, Pat McCutcheon and Damian Fitzpatrick. There are four internationals in that lot. However the Waratahs had nine representatives in the recent Wallabies side that defeated Wales. Benn Robinson, Tatafu Polot-Nau, Sekope Kepu, Sitaleki Timani, Dave Dennis, Wycliff Palu, Berrick Barnes, Rob Horne and Adam Ashley-Cooper all made the Australian team.
Some of those players, most notably Barnes, showed a huge improvement in form when they stepped up to the international level. The question has to be asked of Foley as to why he hasn’t been able to coax similar performances out of these troops at Super level. I don’t think you get to complain about injuries cruelling your season when two thirds of your starting side are internationals.
Finally, Foley cites a tough schedule as a reason for poor performance? The Waratahs had a fantastic schedule this year. The byes came at excellent points of the season.
The first was in round six following a period where the Waratahs had got their New Zealand trips out of the way and had three home games and a walk up against the Rebels to get their season going.
The second bye is this weekend which gives the international players a break after three tough weeks.
The tough games that you look for at the start of every season fell relatively favourably. The Crusaders and Bulls who are always tough games were at home for the Waratahs with their toughest away match being the Stormers.
In hindsight, the Highlanders early in the season at Forsyth Barr and the Chiefs in Hamilton were tough games but I don’t think there is anything in the draw to suggest the Waratahs were comparatively hard done by.
Foley does have a point that the two teams NSW don’t play, the Lions and the Blues, have disappointed this year but before the season started avoiding the Blues seemed like a good thing.
If Foley had stepped up and admitted some failings such as the poor mauling, the lack of fitness and the poor kicking and chasing, and then indicated that he had a plan to fix them, I might not be as depressed as the recent announcement has made me.
Right this minute I am hoping that the board endorsement is the classic Machiavellian statement of support that comes before a sacking. Most reports seem to indicate that Michael Chieka has firmed as the favourite for the Force job, my preference for the Waratahs remains Scott Johnson but there are other coaches out there and available.
What is a fan to do? Do I just have to grit my teeth and bear it? The crowds have turned their backs and sponsorship will be the next thing to go. What will it take to ensure this board makes a positive change?
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July 3rd 2012 @ 3:52am
kingplaymaker said | July 3rd 2012 @ 3:52am | Report comment
‘I don’t think you get to complain about injuries cruelling your season when two thirds of your starting side are internationals.’
100% correct. It’s unbelievable that in the biggest state which produces the most talent and in a team with not only numerous internationals but high quality internationals many of whom just put in great performances against Wales, you hear Foley claiming everything would be fine if one or two injuries hadn’t occurred. With a much higher calibre group of players than Jake White he puts out a much worse team, and then blames it on a few injuries.
John Eales put forward the outrageous justificationthat things weren’t so bad because most of the Waratahs’ losses were narrow. So they could almost have won, being the implication. In that case the Wallabies could almost have won every world cup pretty much, but they didn’t.
Foley’s excuse making is extraordinary. He should never in a million years be reappointed and if the board does reappoint him then fire the board, which should happen anyway, not least because they appointed him and his predecessor in the first place. Two insiders appointed without having proven they can run professional teams and without a fair competition. The Brumbies in contrast had a fair competition and found a coach who had proven he could run a professional team. The relative results that followed from this show which is the correct and incorrect way of doing things.
July 3rd 2012 @ 4:54am
The Werewolf said | July 3rd 2012 @ 4:54am | Report comment
The two most important positions in a modern rugby team IMHO are no 7 and no 9 and the tahs with all their international quality players do not have any quality in these two positions.
When the 8 Waratahs players played with the world class Pocock and Genia this June their efforts pay dividends.
So the tahs getting Hooper for next year will fix half their problems. Alcock, McCuthcheon or Jenkins are not turning over enough ball at the crucial times that pocock does for the wallabies and hooper is the next best thing going around.
Now to the no 9. Mckibbon needs a good off season watching DVD’s of Genia and Parra and he needs to improve the accuracy of his play in particular his pass. Pretorious needs to actually learn to pass and the talent scout that decided to bring him to the tahs needs to explain why he recruited a no 9 that has the unbelievable lack of a mandatory skill for a no 9.
July 3rd 2012 @ 8:31am
Atawhai Drive said | July 3rd 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
It appears that dissatisfaction with McKibbin and Pretorius has reached critical level.
Neither player is injured, as far as I know, but Grayson Hart of Southern Districts will be the starting halfback against the Brumbies on Saturday, with Bernard Foley at No 10.
Hart played pretty well against Eastwood last Saturday, although he injured his hand. He has a good pedigree: former All Blacks coach John Hart is his uncle, and Grayson played for NZ Under-20 as well as seven matches for the Blues in 2009.
But it’s a bit late in the season to replace uninjured players.
July 3rd 2012 @ 10:43am
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | July 3rd 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
AD – I’m confused.
Are we after pedigree or mongrel?
July 3rd 2012 @ 11:26am
WQ said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Does anybody else think it strange that Pretorius has gone from the number 1 attacking Scrum Half in Super Rugby to a bench warmer for the Waratahs?
July 3rd 2012 @ 11:34am
Jutsie said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
For all his sniping runs his passing is way too hit and miss to be a starting 9.
They should trial him as a winger similar to shane williams (who was also a converted 9) Im pretty sure at the cheetahs he started as a bench player who came on the cover halfback and wing too.
July 3rd 2012 @ 1:10pm
Justin2 said | July 3rd 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
It was a poor recruiting decision plain and simple.
Clearly the Tahs Mafia only saw the highlights packages of Pretorious and grabbed him. It is clear as day he has the passing game of an Ox.
That recruitment decision was as bad as Elsoms who has been hampered by injury for 3 years. I dont care if they got him peanuts – they got a monkey.
July 3rd 2012 @ 11:58am
jeznez said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
WW – I think you could make a similar case for Tighthead and 5/8. 7 and 9 are definitely key positions but I am not sure that 7 has been that big of an achilles heel for the Tahs.
9 definitely has been an issue, I’ve been screaming at the tellie with the number of passes Barnes has thrown behind the man this year and the halfbacks definitely own a big part of that issue.
Will be very interested to see how Hart goes this weekend. Even if his service is similarly poor to McKibbin/Pretorius then I am hoping that Foley can still be a running threat and clean the ball a little if he sends it on to Barnes. That should give Barnes a better chance of putting the ball in front of the outside runners and hopefully improve the potency of the backline.
July 3rd 2012 @ 5:42pm
The Werewolf said | July 3rd 2012 @ 5:42pm | Report comment
I think the fact that the tahs have recruited Hooper is an indication of how ineffective Alcock has been this year as well as the fact that they keep chopping changing the no 7.
7 and 9 are the only positions the waratahs do not have a wallaby. It ain’t rocket science.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:07am
jeznez said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
WW, since the June internationals I’ve seen you on a few threads talking about 7 and 9 being the most important in the international game. They were certainly key players for the Aussies getting over the Welsh but I don’t think that means these two positions are now the be all and end all. I’d point to South Africa being very comfortable while ignoring Brussow as a case in point and NZ moving McCaw to number 8 to cover for Read.
The Waratahs haven’t lost games this year because they’ve been slaughtered at the breakdown by superior 7s. Yes the recruitment of Hooper will make them stronger in this area next year which is a good thing (I think the Brumbies will be fine with Faingaa as well so not sure why they are putting so much effort into Pocock).
9 as I indicated above I’m prepared to concede is an issue, what I thought were issues with Barnes’s passing game are quite possibly due to the poor service he has been receiving. Will be very interested to see how Hart goes this weekend.
July 4th 2012 @ 5:28pm
The Werewolf said | July 4th 2012 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
if you have not noticed that over the past 10 years gradually the no 7 has become the most important position on the field when historically it has not been as vital. Look at ow many skippers are all of a sudden no 7′s.
This is due to the increase in rucks which have doubled in the professional age. This in turn makes a no 9 also more important than 10 or 15 years ago because they need to distribute double the amount of phase ball than in the past, so their deeds are also now more important than ever.
the no 8 and 10 used to be king, now not so much.
July 5th 2012 @ 12:43am
jeznez said | July 5th 2012 @ 12:43am | Report comment
WW, I ask you – point to a game where the oppositions 7 was so much better it cost the Tahs the match this year.
I completely buy that last year against the Cheetahs in Sydney that Heinrich made a massive difference. Point to a game this year where the lack of a Tah gun or an opposition gun at 7 determined the result.
July 5th 2012 @ 1:17am
The Werewolf said | July 5th 2012 @ 1:17am | Report comment
JN i’m glad you asked.
In not one game has a NSW waratah no7 either Alcock, Jenkins or Mccutcheon topped the work rate stats for the team but most crucially not in one match have they topped ruck involvement stats. I know because I check after every match and it has ped me off somewhat. In every match either the no 8 Palu or the 6 Dennis or Elsom have beaten them in topping ruck stats for example yet palu has been doing so much more carrying and defensive work. The tah no 7′s need to pull a lot more of their weight or have their contracts torn up.
I remember for example an early round where we played the force. Pocock and Hodgson arrived first to almost every ruck where as our no 7 was unseen and we lost. There are many more examples. I remember the Highlanders match and John Hardie monstered the breakdown while the tahs no 7 did nothing. I could go on and on and on.
That is not good enough for no 7′s. No they don’t have to hit every ruck anymore, those days are over, but they need to be getting to a lot more breakdowns and either pilfering or slowing ball down at crucial times. They need to be influencing the flow of a game or they are not doing their job and in the age of phase play you can not afford not to have a quality no 7. SA if they persist with two running no 6′s will be playing into ours and the NZ hands. If i was the AB’s i’d persist with Cane and McCaw at 7 and 6. They’ll be almost unbeatable if they do. That is unless we play Pocock and Gill in tandem. Game on.
July 5th 2012 @ 2:09am
jeznez said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:09am | Report comment
well called mate. That Highlander game in particular I am not sure that even Pocock could have saved the Tahs in that match – have rarely seen a team belted at the breakdown more than during that one. The first Force game I missed as I was playing footy in the Manila 10s at the time.
As I said earlier, I am very pleased that young Hooper is coming to the Tahs next year. Certainly in the Highlanders game a 7 like Pocock would have helped but I don’t think could have rescued the match. Cannot comment on the Force game per above.
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:25pm
Red Kev said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
I also see that Timani is on the bench – starts for the Wallabies, benched for the Waratahs … because Dean Mumm is better *shakes head in disbelief*
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:37pm
kingplaymaker said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
It’s not as if Mumm has committed to the Wallabies next year either or is one for the future at his age.
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:46pm
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Yes Red Kev, I couldn’t believe it when I read that Mumm was starting. I thought we’d ‘been there & done that’.
Surely this should be all about giving the fans hope for 2013 with a new approach & showcasing what’s possible.
Perhaps I’m just being too optimistic? Surely the Waratah management, coaches & team must understand that the fans will not be back if more of the same is served-up. The order will be fans leave & next the sponsors.
July 3rd 2012 @ 5:40pm
jeznez said | July 3rd 2012 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
I’m not as upset by the Mumm decision as I was with his selection throughout the season.
Timani and Douglas both need to lift their fitness. In the earlier rounds I just wanted Foley to bite the bullet so these guys could develop some match fitness. Now with only two round to play their fitness levels aren’t going to significantly change.
Also given that the Brumbies and Reds as opponents pack a light second rower each in Sam Carter and Rob Simmons I think Mumm can be effective countering these two. Timani provides flexibility off the bench to either freshen the pack if Douglas is proving ineffective or to up the power stakes by subbing for Mumm if that looks like it might be more beneficial.
July 3rd 2012 @ 11:37am
Markus said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
‘the talent scout that decided to bring him to the tahs needs to explain why he recruited a no 9 that has the unbelievable lack of a mandatory skill for a no 9.’
Seemed he did a good job in recruiting an apt replacement for Burgess
@WQ, the Waratahs did not seem to notice that Pretorius spent a large amount of last season as a bench scrumhalf and a wing. I think most of his tries were actually scored while playing on the wing as opposed to scrumhalf.
July 3rd 2012 @ 6:07am
schuey said | July 3rd 2012 @ 6:07am | Report comment
John Eales came up with plenty of excuses for the Tahs. Excuses won’t bring the crowds back..sigh.
July 3rd 2012 @ 7:04am
Who Needs Melon said | July 3rd 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
I know it’s not your area of specialization Jeznez but interested in your thoughts on this weekends backline.
It’s funny because for most of the season I’ve joined the chorus that they should try Foley at 10. The player, not the coach. But now, after Barnes has played 2 blinders in a row at 10 for the Wallabies and proved he CAN play a good game at fly half, it’s like Foley (the coach) is saying “we’ll have none of that here” and moved him to 12.
Still, it solve the Tahs problems but I think it’s worth a shot.
July 3rd 2012 @ 8:29am
rl said | July 3rd 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
worth a try Melon – Barnes is a more than capable 12 (I think it’s his best position), and AAC seems to have rediscovered his mojo so run him at fullback. Tahs have absolutely nothing to lose at this point, so why not? Another option: run Pretorius at 10. Shame to have that talent sitting ont he bench, and he seems to want to play like one anyway. But I’d prefer the former option (Foley).
July 3rd 2012 @ 11:46am
jeznez said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Melon – I’ve been on the bandwagon to have Foley at 10 since the start of the season. Funnily enough Georgina Robinson on the smh website is talking about this being his 10 debut for the Tahs. I thought he played there against the Blues in the elimination final game last year.
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:58pm
Albo said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
You are right. He did play at 10 last against the Blues last year.
I’ve also been part of the ‘Tah-ber Shop Quartet singing for this backline all year (you can see more of my A-Grade material at an RSL near you).
Will be really interested to see how it goes. It certainly puts me in two frames of mind if it works well. I have to say as an Tahs supporter I would seriously feel for the Brumbies or Reds if this works a treat and disrupts their finals hopes.
July 3rd 2012 @ 1:13pm
Justin2 said | July 3rd 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
WNM – I, like a few others have been waiting to see Foley at 10 all year.
Barnes performed well for the Wallabies, true. It is also clear though that he does not light up a backline and get it “singing”. The Wallaby backs by and large were one out league players so I dont believe that Barnes i the answer long or short term as a 10.
IMO this weekend’s back line looks much more dangerous with that 9-10-12 combo.
July 3rd 2012 @ 8:22am
Rabbitz said | July 3rd 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Unfortunately, I don’t think Foley, M is the real problem. He is one of the symptoms but not the cause.
For me it is a systemic attitude problem that stems from the ‘old boys network’ way NSW appears to do things. This has led to an entitlement approach rather than a hunger. The mindset of “If I spend hours in the gym getting buff and have a dozen moronic tattoos then the success I deserve is around the corner” seems to be pervasive. This is reinforced by them getting their generous salaries and match payments regardless of performance.
It needs more than the coach being changed, it needs more than the board being replaced, NSW needs these things, but it also need a change of attitude and the hunger to win. That is the hard one to change – the current crop are already spoilt, they do not need the hunger they already get their every wish granted.
NSW needs to rebuild – from scratch – and build a winning culture, look at the Brumbies this season and the Crusaders in previous seasons if you need a template.
As a supporter, I can weather losing games during the rebuild, if the players and coaches are giving it a go, but I can not and will not watch over-protected, over-paid, under performing players who really don’t give a pair of foetid dingos’ kidneys whether they win or lose.
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:00pm
jeznez said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Rabbitz, I completely accept the point – however Foley is an issue that can be fixed easily. Agree that it shouldn’t be a case of replace the coach and think that the job is done.
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:14pm
sixo_clock said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
Hear, hear Rabbitz,
Oh the pain of being loyal to a cause that calls you a fool while flaying your wilfully exposed flesh! Where ‘winning ugly’ has been the come-on line which loosened so many women’s morals, which earned you a free round in so many pubs and made you feel you were part of a great Rugby revival. To watch the pride and substance of NSW Rugby succumb even to minnows was such a character building excercise that collectively most of them are now immortal.
Loyalty in sport is never to be accorded to any business enterprise, even if they are seemingly kith and kin. Loyalty in this instance must be firstly to the sport, and to whomever does the most to build that sport. In Australia that would be your club, the Wallabies, then any of the franchises which have the best long-term view. I suspect they are in the order, Rebels, Brumbies, Reds, Force and finally the ‘Tahs. So excercise your right to guide these managements back onto message. Decline a new membership citing a desire to join another for the above reasons. Get the underperforming fast-talking excuse monkeys a chance to get the big picture by having an unexpected holiday and make a difference.
Partially agree, Jez, One-hand-throwing Foley may well be out of his depth but working in a dysfunctional organisation would do the same to Henry, McQueen, McKenzie etc. I very strongly suspect that the ‘Tahs players pretty much do as they please because they can always get someone in management to deflect any disciplinary action.
July 3rd 2012 @ 12:51pm
jeznez said | July 3rd 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Sixo – I agree there are other big (should I say huge?) issues but taking control of the NSW Rugby and Waratahs boards is going to be tricky. Getting the coach right is something that shouldn’t be difficult.
Whoever is the coach of the Waratahs has to demand autonomy in selecting the team – with Waugh having moved on and the likes of Elsom, Carter and Mumm on the outer or moving on as well. There has been a changing of the guard – it isn’t a complete clean out but any coach should be much more able to stamp their authority on this team than at any time in the last five years.
July 3rd 2012 @ 1:17pm
John Elliott said | July 3rd 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
But the Board wont make the right call, and the Board and Coach need to be in synch. The last line in the article states the problem: “what will it take to ensure this board makes a positive change”. A stale, moribund, regressive boardwont make the hard calls. They never have, didnt last week and wont. I remeber when I was on the board at Elders………….. get me a red someone
July 3rd 2012 @ 5:14pm
Uncle Argyle said | July 3rd 2012 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
What about a B & H extra mild….Pigs arse?
July 4th 2012 @ 4:18pm
jeznez said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
Grab me a Fosters. Mistah Elliott He ………………
July 3rd 2012 @ 5:03pm
sixo_clock said | July 3rd 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
Apparently Peter Cosgrove is in there trying to revive the bones of the beached whale. Am not entirely sure what is his brief or powers or even whether it is the NSWRU or the ‘Tahs he has been invited to scrutinise. I’ve met him and was impressed but also know that to rise to the top in the Australian Army especially as a grunt takes some pretty solid politicking skills and what they need are cold flinty management types who have no master other than making every dollar scream for mercy in the drive for efficiency. If this is achieved it will allow very little room for undermining the coaching staff and let the one-arm-thrower or for whomever he is pushed aside to get the best out of the lads. I still believe the suggestions made here in the Roar to forsake Sydney and do trips to the country cities will get them out of the coffee shops and wine bars and face to face with some bush fans and some of that doughty resilience may just rub off. They are not mentally strong and that flaw is the one to address.
As for team selection I believe it should be in the hands of non-contracted hard-heads with coaches input.
ps: I would also ask each player in secret to choose in writing the best squad for the upcoming game and in the days after the game see just who is choosing mates over the best interests of the team. Those names will be sent to the HPMsdib who will cast around to see which other franchise wants to swap. After a while you will have remaining a squad with a purpose and a clear identity. You’d love that job!!
July 3rd 2012 @ 6:46pm
jeznez said | July 3rd 2012 @ 6:46pm | Report comment
ha ha ha – love it
July 3rd 2012 @ 8:34am
Will Sinclair said | July 3rd 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Lovely piece Jez.
Like you, I was incredibly dispirited by the recent announcement that Foley would be staying on.
There seems to be a real culture of denial at the Tahs… but unfortunately for them, the fans are not being fooled and are staying away in their droves.
It’s a difficult time to be a Tahs fan.
July 3rd 2012 @ 9:52am
greg said | July 3rd 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Things didn’t go our way this year. The comp is really close and sometimes it doesn’t. There where these sort of calls when the waratahs where winning because waratahs ‘supporters’ didnt like the style of rugby they played. I love the waratahs but this moaning everytime things don’t go our way is embarrassing. There where alot of close games and injuries. The boys and Foley will bounce back next year.
July 3rd 2012 @ 10:01am
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | July 3rd 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
“The boys and Foley will bounce back next year.” And this is based on what?
July 3rd 2012 @ 10:06am
Dexter William said | July 3rd 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
“The boys and Foley will bounce back next year.”
Are you Greg Smith???
July 3rd 2012 @ 11:41am
Markus said | July 3rd 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
The Waratahs are 0 from 17 in the title stakes, longer if you count the Super 10 as well.
When HAVE things gone your way?
July 3rd 2012 @ 3:23pm
greg said | July 3rd 2012 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
I bet you three went along with the hysteria about Ewan Mckensie being sacked because he didn’t bring us a super 15 title, and are now his biggest supporters when it comes to him coaching the wallabies. As i said sometimes I am embarrassed to be a tahs supporter. I bet you lot where into sacking our last coach as well
July 3rd 2012 @ 3:41pm
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | July 3rd 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
That’s a lot of betting going on there greg.
So what is your ‘bounce back’ theory based on? I want to believe too!
July 3rd 2012 @ 10:04pm
greg said | July 3rd 2012 @ 10:04pm | Report comment
Yeah but I bet I am right though
Its footy, teams go up and teams go down, its a very fine line between winning and losing in the super 15. Ewan came in second last when he was coaching the tahs and came back in later seasons quite consistently. there is a lot of quality players in the squad and some very good new ones coming through. i think Foley learned a lot this season and I just reckon next year will be different. there does not seem to be any players hoping (publicly I must say) he is going and players keep resigning with the squad which seems to say there is no disharmony.
I don’t have a crystal ball about next season just a gut feeling, a few years of football experience and maybe a bit of optimism but I think things will work out.
July 4th 2012 @ 4:23pm
jeznez said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
Greg, I love the optimism and I hope you are right. Per the article though I am much more pessimistic – I have seen exactly zero from Foley with regard to where he thinks he’ll improve the side.
Per what I said above and as reported in the smh, in his season review he pointed to three key issues – unfinished business, injuries and the draw.
Two of those things he has no control over and the other equates to I just need more time.
Well tell us some of the things that time is going to allow you to improve in the side. Why should he be in the seat rather than another coach? Johnson, Cheika, Mallet, Kidney, Louden and the list goes on – there are some very credible options out there to take on this team.
Foley saying he hasn’t had time when he has been part of the coaching set up for three years is just not good enough.
July 3rd 2012 @ 9:56am
B-Rock said | July 3rd 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
If they got rid of McKenzie for playing unattractive but winning footy, Foley looks certain to get the boot playing unattractive losing footy
I assume (and hope) the board is scouring the world for a quality, well known coach to step in – Scott Johnson would be good, Im sure there are plenty of options out there… They certainly would not want to fire Foley without a replacement waiting in the wings.
July 4th 2012 @ 8:05am
greg said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
they got rid of mckenzie because he didnt bring home a title, they got rid of chris hickey for playing ugly footy
July 3rd 2012 @ 10:02am
jameswm said | July 3rd 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
The Tahs just need to learn how to play aggressive, consistent attacking rugby. Hit the ball at pace, support the ball, put the ball in front of the man, attack in numbers at pace. It sounds so simple.
They can defend, scrum and ruck. They just need to attack better. Foley at 10 will help this, and not having Mumm there helps. But the skill level and understanding of how to play are sadly lacking.
July 3rd 2012 @ 10:13am
AJ said | July 3rd 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
jeznez
How true. Everything you say is spot on.
I’m sure the officials play a big part in whats happening to the Waratahs but if Foley has a problem with them why doesnt he express it.
Dont they revise the game on TV and see how flawed kicking the ball away is.
When they kick the ball it’s like a boat without a rudder is goes anywhere with no apparent reason.
I have stopped going to the games along with a group of six or seven others.
I would rather follow the Reds or Canberra on Fox.