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Australia has never had a great front row, but now it appears the Wallabies have a new problem – the centres.
This is an unfamilar position for Australians to be in. For many seasons we watched Horan and Little run, catch, pass and tackle. And kick, very occasionally.
They were, after all, arguably the greatest centre pairing ever to play the game.
Following them we had a gritty but skillful ball player in Elton Flatley at 12 and two big robust outside centres in Herbert and Mortlock, who never let the side down.
It was about combinations and combinations combine to score tries.
In the wake of the Welsh test series, the Wallabies have been criticised for “not daring to dare” by The Australian‘s Wayne Smith.
While it appears that Australia has found their long-lost compusure in tight games, critics were not satisfied with their recent 3-0 series win.
Fair enough; there has to be one eye on the Rugby Championship and scoring five tries in three tests won’t win that. So how do the Wallabies “dare to dare” again?
Why has there been a shortage of tries? The absence of Beale, Cooper and O’Connor certainly hasn’t helped.
But this isn’t an issue For mine; it starts and finishes in the centres.
Before I have a crack, credit where credit is due. In Pat McCabe, we have a number 12 who leaves it all on the field, a Nathan Grey, blood-and-guts type player.
I can’t say the same for Horne. In fact, can anybody recall Rob Horne doing anything special on a rugby field ever?
Anyway, while McCabe is a tremendously gutsy player and Horne is not, I don’t see either winning anything as the starting 12 and 13 for Australia.
By ‘anything’ I mean the trophies we all really care about – the Bledisloe, the British Lions Series, the 2015 Rugby World Cup.
Deans has been pilloried for picking McCabe at 12, but let’s take a moment to consider who the other starting inside centres are in international rugby.
The All Blacks have moved away from an Aaron Mauger-type player at second receiver and now look set on picking Sonny-Bill ahead of Nonu.
Stuart Lancaster picked one-dimensional Manu Tuilagi at 12 for England ahead of the ball-playing Owen Farrell.
The French have Fofana and the Welsh have Jamie Roberts when fit. Only South Africa picked close to a ball-playing inside centre in Frans Steyn and that is probably because Morne Steyn is about as creative as Matt Dunning.
Frans is still a lump. The preference in international rugby is clearly for big, ball-carrying inside centres who can offload. But that is wrong for Australia and here is why.
Firstly, McCabe is neither big or a ball carrier. All the heart in the world doesn’t equate to the two stone he is giving away each time he gets on the field.
Neither is he a guy who is an especially skillful passer or possesses a freakish offload like SBW.
He often runs standing upright into traffic and when he lowers his body height, god bless him, he merely moves one moment closer to oblivion.
Which leads me to my second point; we simply do not have a big, physically imposing, ball-carrying inside centre in Australian rugby right now.
Tapuai won’t cut it. Carter is a nonse. Lloyd Johansson is not international class.
We have Barnes and James O’Connor. Those are the only options at 12 as I see it and one of them must get the job.
After his problems with head knocks, Barnesy is not the man. I wish he was as he combines well with Cooper, but I’m not sure he will withstand the punishment in the long term.
James O’Connor must now be picked at 12 with one eye on 2013 and two eyes on 2015.
Aside from the fact that most of us would like to see a little arrogance knocked out of him by a particularly large back rower, the little Beiber lookalike is the best fit.
I hate to admit it, but he is strong, tenacious and skillful.
He can defend long enough for his backrow to arrivve and by gosh he can attack. He has the ability to show up a SBW or Jamie Roberts.
Whoever plays at ten will suddenly have options. Which brings me to 13.
Digby Ioane is not the answer. While he runs like a cannibal with a new-born baby, he cannot pass. He really really can’t.
For all the criticism of McCabe’s passing it isn’t nearly as bad as Digby’s. Which is why McCabe should play 13 outside James O’Connor.
Yes, you read that right. McCabe has the pace, has played there before and he offers more than Faingga.
From that point it boils down to a simple choice: Horne or MCabe.
It also allows room for Mitchell to be brought back at 14 alongside Ioane and Beale.
If and when matches are tight Barnes will still be available on the bench with Adam Ashley-Cooper the ultimate security blanket at 13 and for the back three.
Cooper and Beale will alternate seemlessly at first receiver. With Mr Beiber at 12, the three amigos will be in the thick of the action. And so they should be.
This duo get paid the big bucks and it’s time for them to stand up. Most importantly, it will bring the “daring to dare” dream alive.
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July 4th 2012 @ 2:30am
Johnno said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:30am | Report comment
-Can we stop knocking the aussy centres , they are not that bad. It is a myth or they have really come on this year. Our centres have not declined since Horan, natahn grey,little, or dan herbert, or mortlock.
Maybe Jake White os owed a lot of credit as many of the up and comers or improvers are Brumbies.
Facts:
-Pat Mcabe has taken his game to a new level this year. Rob Horne has got better and is a good defender as well.
-And Mcabe is probably now the best 1 on 1 defender in world rugby with Conrad Smith, and both Mcabe and smith are the 2 best Centres defensively in world rugby. SBW 6’3 is an enforcer centre and loves a old leaguey shoulder charge, but Mcabe and Smith read lines better like the chiropractor old Samoan centre Brian Lima. Jamie Roberts and frans stein are massive 6’4 and 6’3 105kg plus but Mcabe and smith are both not as good defenders as Mcabe , conrad Smith. or new Bok captain 6’3 JDVilliers.
-Ben Tapui, Adam Smith,Mike Harris, A Faianga is better than he gets credits for especially in defence,.
-The young QLD reds have a few really young talented centres, as do the ACT Brumbies have a super talant in the big fijian Tevita Kuridrani who has played Aussy sevens and now only available for Australia only for life.
-plus Nic cummins is okay and Pat Delloit both handy and big at the force.
-We do know Tom Carter is not the awnser as Daniel Halangahu not the answser at centre.
-And JOC, Barnes, And AAcooper are not the awnser either. still Beale and Quade have played I/C and been quite handy but probably too small too.
-And you never know big 6’5 Inglis still may play rugby as could Folau and Jennings who has had offers from rugby or even big 6’3 Jarryd Hayne or Karmihcal Hunt who played french rugby with success and is a really good player too.
July 4th 2012 @ 8:01am
Jack said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Karmihcal Hunt. Now there’s a thought. A quality athlete and he can now kick a footy as well,
July 4th 2012 @ 8:10am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
As Johnno says there is Inglis, Folau, Jennings, Hayne, Hunt and indeed Idriss, many others too. Such is the hoovering up of every big, high quality runner at teenage level by league.
July 4th 2012 @ 8:26am
Johnno said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:26am | Report comment
i’ll add Jarred Hargraves to that lis KPM plus benji marshall too and Craig wing and Ryan cross who were all rugby union men.
It’s funny KPM the biggest and the best centres in the Land are playing League.
I have written to SANZAR yesterday KPM about the re-model of super rugby. I wrote a 3 page to the point report about increasing imports to 5 from 1 or 2 it is at right now, and also encouraged private ownership.
July 4th 2012 @ 8:39am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Johnno I imagine those are the athletes most in demand (the big and good) and so the NRL snap them up, such is the feeble number of squad places 5 teams can offer to compete. So the crumbs are left to rugby. Indeed JOC was a league reject and only by chance did league get it wrong for once.
I hope SANZAR take on board what you have written Johnno and that they are able to listen to opinions which don’t suggest retrogression and inertia.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:46pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
“They are not that bad”
I agree. But they are not that good either. They are average, and that my friend is the issue, this is the Wallabies not the Brumbies, average players should not be there.
July 5th 2012 @ 11:10pm
wre01 said | July 5th 2012 @ 11:10pm | Report comment
Johnno
Thanks for your comments but i stand by my article.
Yes Australia’s centres “aren’t that bad” but are they good enough to challenge for a RWC or the British Lions? No.
Think of the centre pairing at the heart of RWC winning teams- Horan/ Little & Horan/ Herbert & Greenwood/ Tindall & Devilliers/Fourie and SBW/Conrad Smith.
The names McCabe and Horne jsut don’t fit in the same class.
July 4th 2012 @ 2:35am
Garmos said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:35am | Report comment
I think you may have hit this puzzle on the head! Having Cooper and O’connor at first and 2nd receivers is an exciting alternative to the Wales test series. Not that Barnes played bad at 10 it’s just that the other two add something different in attack to Berrick. If the game plan requires running of the ball then perhaps 10,12,13 should be Cooper, O’Connor and McCabe with Beale at the back.
Barnes off the bench for a more tactical/ kick style of play.
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July 4th 2012 @ 7:32am
Kane said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
You could almost guarantee its going to be a high scoring game with them at 10 & 12, and I’m talking about the wrong type of high scoring game.
July 4th 2012 @ 8:40am
Markus said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Sad but true. Defensively I just don’t think the Wallabies can afford to have Cooper, O’Connor and Beale in the same backline.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:42pm
post said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
Exactly when have beale and jOC given you reason to doubt their defensive potential? They both seem to get this bad defense rap just because cooper is poor in defense.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:50pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
They can afford to have Cooper Beale and Oconner in the same backline, they just cannot afford to have Cooper at 10 and JOC at 12. If they had
10 Cooper
14 JOC
15 Beale
That would be ok.
July 4th 2012 @ 2:41am
bluerose said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:41am | Report comment
Tomane looks like the best option @ #13 or #12 but his injured and JW wont select him there for the Brumbies, Tomane is way off inexperienced but he’s big, fast, strong, good footwork, can beat anyone one on one and can pass (i think), having QC and JOC @ #10/#12 is too risky in terms of defense, Horne wont/cant pass, McCabe can but wont pass, AAC will never but can pass. @ #13, my daring Wallabies experimental Wallabies backline:
9-Genia.
10-Quade Cooper.
11-Digby Ioane.
12-Joe Tomane.
13-Barrick Barnes.
14-JOC.
15-Kurtley Beale.
21-Mike Harris.
22-Adam Ashley-Cooper.
how about Andrew Smith?
July 4th 2012 @ 2:53am
Garmos said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:53am | Report comment
I think Tomane is a bit off yet but does look the goods at 12. Here’s the thing. James O’connor can also sub for Will Genia if needed. He played there the other night for the Rebels and did nothing wrong. If Deans picks O’connor at 12 with Barnes and AAC he effectively covers the back line and gives 5 fresh forwards off the bench. A. 5-2 split.
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July 4th 2012 @ 3:07am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:07am | Report comment
12 Joe Tomane
13 Chris Sautia
Those are the only two with the talent and physical size to play there.
I agree with the article that Australia’s centres are a big problem.
However JOC at 84 kg is a midget and would be monstered by SBW/Nonu/Roberts/ Tuilagi/Steyn who all weigh 20 or 25 kg more.
AAC is now an attacking dud like Mccabe, Horne and Faiingaa. His first 40 caps or so he was a very good attacking player but then suddenly lost his ability and is now no good at international level in offence.
July 4th 2012 @ 2:45pm
Dasher said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
Chris Sautia is 4kg heavier than JOC.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:59pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
KPM in theory those two guys make a mouth watering combination. In reality test rugby would swallow them whole suck them out of confidence and spit them back at the Super 15 where they currently belong. Way too early for these two.
July 5th 2012 @ 11:13pm
wre01 said | July 5th 2012 @ 11:13pm | Report comment
KPM
I think far too much hype is surrounding Sautia and even Tomane.
To suggest that they will be a ‘fix’ for centres this year, in 2013 against the LIons or even at the 2015 RWC is a stretch I think.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:14am
The Werewolf said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:14am | Report comment
Are we to ignore the fact that McCabe ran over the top of o’connor this year?
And Hornes’s try scoring of late. 6 tries in his past 7 games.
and the fact that between them this centre pairing had a missed tackle count of 0, scored 3 tries (as many as the NZ pair) and made more metres than the Welsh centres.
These are to be ignored? What has o’connor done this year excatly apart from winning a Vanilla ice look-a-like contest?
With the lions likely pair of Roberts and Tuilagi I think o’connor at 12 is a pipe dream.
July 4th 2012 @ 7:51am
Justin2 said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:51am | Report comment
Just about all were utterly simple and due more to the good work of others.
July 4th 2012 @ 8:52am
mikeylives said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:52am | Report comment
“What has o’connor done this year excatly apart from winning a Vanilla ice look-a-like contest?”
I knew there was someone he reminded me of. Great work.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:38am
soapit said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
do we take off the ones that he bombed? and one of those tries would have gone as a dolly to the winger if we had the nz pair but he held on and was lucky to get benefit of the doubt.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:57pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
Werewolf. They may have scored 3 tries between them, as much as the New Zealand pair, but the strength of Australian rugby is those other 3 numbers. 11, 14, 15 and just how many tries did that center combination lay on for those guys?
C Smith and SBW lay out tries on a silver platter for their team mates on a regular basis, this is the biggest factor, they create. Horne and McCabe don’t
July 5th 2012 @ 2:05am
Marky mark said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:05am | Report comment
That’s because the all blacks played Ireland. If heyd played Wales they’d have struggled to score tries and would have lost at least one match.
When the wallabies win the bledisloe all will make sense for you.
July 5th 2012 @ 1:00pm
Kuruki said | July 5th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Wales have not beaten the All Blacks in my lifetime. Your post makes no sense.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:51am
Athilnaur said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:51am | Report comment
The days of a playmaker artful dodger 12 are gone.
Visions of Gits crabbing still haunt me.
12s need to be able to;
- tackle dominantly
- straighten the attack
- provide powerful support to ball carriers
- be able to clean out
- pass, offload
- have a competant kicking game preferably
JOCs problem is that he doesn’t win collisions and doesn’t straighten our attack.
July 4th 2012 @ 4:06am
The Werewolf said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:06am | Report comment
Hear hear. You said in a few lines what it takes me an age. Thankyou!
July 4th 2012 @ 4:12pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:12pm | Report comment
Look at the most damaging backline in the Super 15. The Hurricanes have found a center combination based on secure not dominant tackling and excellent distribution and creativity. Where is the hulking physically dominant 12 that must be used today? They have scored more tries from the scraps they get then anyone else. Now imagine them behind a dominant pack. The days of a small creative 12 are not dead, they are just not in fashion at the moment.
A good coach would have JOC bringing sexy back to the Aussie backline instead of trying to go down the path of other nations who actually have the cattle to do what they do. Ive copped plenty of sheep jokes in my time, but to me the Aussie mindset seems to be that of a sheep, rather then using what they have to go down their own path.
July 4th 2012 @ 5:35pm
The Werewolf said | July 4th 2012 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
The second play maker comes from our 15.
In this way we don’t have a defensive liability in the front line and we have a second playmaker in attack.
July 4th 2012 @ 5:50pm
Red Kev said | July 4th 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
Except the Wallabies play 9-10-15 as their back three, meaning wingers (O’Connor) are in the front line anyway and we have no playmaker on turnover ball.
July 4th 2012 @ 5:59pm
The Werewolf said | July 4th 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
Wingers are wingers RK. When they are in the front line they defend on the wing and they are not asked to do a lot of tackling. Centres defend in the centre of the field from first phase and then as the wallabies showed in june they make their way out wide fro phase play, 1 in from the edge so they do a lot of important tackling and a lot of work at the breakdown.
JOC will be the no 10 in the long run and Beale the 15.
from turnover ball it does not take long for the back 3 to join the attack.
July 4th 2012 @ 6:01pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 6:01pm | Report comment
Horne has one of the highest missed tackle stats out of all players in the Super 15. So does Conrad Smith but he also provides much more for his outsides then Horne does on attack.
The second playmaker comes from your 15, yes that may be true but play making for who? Digby is being used as an inside channel runner, if Beale is coming into the line outside your center or even inside who is he making play for? your attacking wide runners are being used in traffic to make up for your lack of creativity there and therefore they are not outwide in space where they should be scoring tries and running at pace. You are killing your outside play to make up for your lack of ability to create on the inside. Look at Andre Taylor he is outside two creative centers and he is cashing in leading the competiton for tries Savea is up there aswell. Australia need to score more tries, burdening your fullback with a playmaking role in traffic is not working. Why anyone would rather have Beale and Ioane working in traffic rather then running wide in space is beyond me. I have no doubt whatsoever this is why you are not looking threatening from 11 14 15. I am quickly loosing all faith in Robbie Deans and although he done wonders at the Crusaders i think a fit and prime Carter and McCAw could have had a big part to play in that little run he had.
July 4th 2012 @ 6:12pm
The Werewolf said | July 4th 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
If you watched the 3rd test you’ll have seen the blue print for the wallaby backline structure going into the next few seasons. Whether individual selections change that won’t change the fact that Deans has come up with the ideal structure. Beale chimes in as second or first receiver and at times Barnes and Beale stood either side of rucks to keep the defense questioning as to which way the play was going. Either the 10 or 15 can link up with the wide runners ie our centres and sometimes loose forwards. It worked very well except for the fact that Beale’s skills were a little rusty at times.
To improve I think the winger Ioane’s roaming role should be kicked into touch so to speak.
Australia scored more tries in one match against the Welsh than the rest of the 6 nations combined. It is easy for the AB’s to carry on like they’ve invented running rugby but they played against an inferior side who were missing some if its key players. And Super rugby matters little at the next level. That has been proven time and time again.
Horne missed a huge amount of tackles early on in the season. He himself admits he had devloped a new tackling technique to avoid the amount of injuries he’s had and it took him awhile to get used to it. I’ll take the fact that in the June series he didn’t miss one tackle and was defensively dominant, did some good work at ruck time Faingaa style and carried for as many metres as the very good Jonathan Davies.
July 4th 2012 @ 7:26pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:26pm | Report comment
I did watch the 3rd test and the three before it. One thing i noticed that Australia have in past been brilliant at was the lack of strike power to finish off a well executed backline move. Infact i saw very little in the way of a well executed backline move. What i did see was a backline fortunate to have the best halfback in the world creating for them and the return of Barnes to form. Also Ioane making some strong runs in traffic. Other than that i saw nothing to be feared.
What i did see was a good inside channel play from Tomane and Beale they made the break and threatened the Welsh line but the ball was lost and turned over, what followed was a 90 meter counter from the Welsh because the fullback and the winger were doing someone elses job in the midfield and there was nobody home.
Another play i saw was Beale getting the ball directly from Barnes then throwing a long ball to Horne who almost bombed what should have been a simple ball in hand try. Another try he scored come from Genia throwing a brilliant long-ball to Barnes who dummied and made the break Horne caught the ball and put it down over the line as any Wallaby back should be able to do. In all these cases McCabe was missing.
I saw Ioane coming in to do another of his inside channel plays which are relied on as a weapon he overran the pass and the Welsh countered once again nobody was home as the winger and fullback were right there in traffic trying to create the play and the Welsh scored a long range try from it. You are basing these selections purely on defense yet the need to use your outside players on the inside to make up for lack of creativity is causing you to leak tries and massive meters.
Horne scored two tries that were created by the players inside him, he also bombed a couple that he should have created for the players outside him. McCabe ran one great angle onto a good ball from Genia. Neither McCabe or Horne created anything for the back three not once.
Yes we may have seen a blueprint of what is to come from Aussie and that should be very concerning for the Aussie fan. And how you believe this to be the ideal structure is beyond me. How do you not see that this structure and style of play using those players is seriously killing off the ability of the Australian team to score tries to cut loose out wide. Your backline is benefitting from having the best halfback in the world, none of those benefits are coming by way of McCabe and Horne in the midfield. If you seriously think you are going to win the Rugby championship based on the defense of McCabe and Horne you are in for a real rude awakening. The All Blacks will still score tries on you make no mistake about that, but will you still have the ability to score enough tries on them? I’m not so sure. Robbie Deans tactics may have already lost him the test before they even walk onto the paddock. Time will tell.
July 5th 2012 @ 12:26am
Rob9 said | July 5th 2012 @ 12:26am | Report comment
Kuruki, all of your posts make a heck of a lot of sense. It seems we’ve got one kiwi trying to help us out and one (unfortunately the one that counts) trying to kill our mojo. I’m at a loss to understand why Deans is trying to copy a game plan that ‘some’ of our international rivals have implemented when we don’t have the stock to enforce it. We’re going to be far better served playing to our strengths which is an effective ball playing 12 who’s capable of distributing and opening up so many options in attack. That includes making some meters themselves (just not meters made going over the top of defenders).
One of the greatest asset this team has is our strike power and as long as we’re persisting with a 12 who doesn’t or can’t pass then we’re selling ourselves short. Like you say, to beat teams we have to score points. This McCabe experiment gives us a one dimensional attacking game plan that starves our outside backs of ball and therefore limiting serious attacking opportunities (opportunities that lead to 5 pointers).
Beale is best served injecting himself into the backline when there is some momentum behind the play, just like any good fullback. Since he switched there he’s been on the end or in the middle of some brilliant attacking raids, he doesn’t belong at the beginning of one. Beale has the vision that allows him the opportunity to see where he needs to inject himself. He’s got the pace and the fancy feet to do this role effectively. Although he’s come from a play making background, he still needs to fulfill the role of a fullback first and foremost and that’s not as a second ball player closer to the action.
Digby has shown he likes to get his hands dirty and loves to go looking for work. He’ll take the bullocking runs from second reciever when required and he’ll be a hell of a lot more effective at it (in meters gained) than McCabe. Give Digby this role full time and let’s pick a centre that will once and for all open up this attack and involve our guys out wide.
July 5th 2012 @ 12:46am
kingplaymaker said | July 5th 2012 @ 12:46am | Report comment
Hang on Mccabe is a much more powerful defender than JOC. He still might have problems stopping Tuilagi but at least he wouldn’t be smashed to smithereens like the midget JOC. If he can do that to Jean De Villiers then every time he got the ball Tuilagi would walk through JOC. 3mins try Lion 6mins try Lions 9 mins try Lions. Within 10 minutes the match would be lost with JOC at 12.
July 5th 2012 @ 2:09am
Marky mark said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:09am | Report comment
Mate change the record. We all know your opinion. It’s wrong but we all know it. The second play maker comes from the 15 because we need our 12 ti be defensively domnant against the likes of SBW, steyn and next year Roberts. Read ww’s article again!
July 5th 2012 @ 2:15am
kingplaymaker said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:15am | Report comment
Marky Mark thatnkfully you’re not in charge of the Wallabies otherwise it would be 50-nil by half time. Your ideas are fortunately not what any international coach follows, luckily for them.
July 5th 2012 @ 2:20am
Marky mark said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:20am | Report comment
No dude I’m with you KPM! I’m having a go at rob9 who wants fairy boy band joc to take on tuilagi and Roberts next year. Agree it would be an onslaught if rob9 gets his way.
July 5th 2012 @ 3:54am
kingplaymaker said | July 5th 2012 @ 3:54am | Report comment
I see sorry Marky Mark. Yes I agree the Lions will undoubtedly fire off Tuilagi, Roberts and North (if not Cuthbert too) next year and the All Blacks SBW, Nonu, Gear, Savea who would all reduce JOC to fine particles.
July 5th 2012 @ 10:19am
Rob9 said | July 5th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
KPM you love to think that JOC is some dwarf that can’t tackle. You keep harping on about his 84kgs which you’ve been shown elsewhere isn’t the case. As Post has rightfully pointed out below, this ‘midget’ can tackle. He’s proven he can bring down some of the biggest units getting around in world rugby. You suggesting he will be smashed into ‘smithereens’ is a gross distortion of reality. I’ll concede that more often than not they won’t be dominant against the big boppers but neither will a lot of McCabes hits when Tuilagi, SBW or Nonu are running at him. Yes McCabe is a physically dominant defender but being 4kgs shy (yes KPM!) of McCabe’s weight, JOC isn’t exactly a slouch either.
I also haven’t mentioned JOC once in this comment above. Common boys, I’ve been accused of being swept away by his charms before, but is it you guys that obsessed by his boyish good looks? In all seriousness it doesn’t have to be him. We’ve got some other great ball playing 12s in Barnes and Harris who are up to it also. Just get anyone of them in place of McCabe and this backline will start to have the opportunity to show what it’s truly capable of.
To my old mate Whalberg, our second play maker shouldn’t come from our FB. To once again spoon feed you, that’s what I was saying above. In this particular backline, with no big offloader available, they should be closer to the action where they can actually make a difference and ensure the ball gets sent wide. Your buddy WW’s article was dead wrong and it seems that you guys are content going down on that sinking ship. All the best to you!
July 5th 2012 @ 1:07pm
Kuruki said | July 5th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
Marky Mark nobody is defensively dominant against SBW Steyn or Roberts. Nobody.
July 4th 2012 @ 5:45am
Who Needs Melon said | July 4th 2012 @ 5:45am | Report comment
We cannot pick a player in the Wallaby squad out of position. Whoever plays 12 needs recent (I.e. this year) extended (i.e. more than 1 game) experience in the position in a Super Rugby side. I’d love JOC to have had more experience there but he hasn’t so he isn’t an option in the run on squad in that position. Same goes for 13. Super Rugby is the place to try creative selections, not the Wallabies.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:43am
soapit said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
robbie deans doesnt agree with you unfortunately
July 4th 2012 @ 10:13am
Rob9 said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Agree with your sentiment here but I think you’ll find that JOC has played the majority of his SR at 12 (as well as cameo’s at 10 and 15, but never on the wing where Deans loves to play him) for both the Force and the Rebels.
July 5th 2012 @ 2:27am
Marky mark said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:27am | Report comment
No
July 4th 2012 @ 6:41am
mania said | July 4th 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
awesome line “While he runs like a cannibal with a new-born baby,”
agree digby doesnt belong in centres, yet. faainga is a much better defender. AAC would be a better 12 than JOC (who should stay on the wing) and have mcCabe outside him.
but centres isnt the problem. its the tight5. they’re lazy and dont take the initiative. sharpe and moore would be the hardest working but time is telling for sharpe. moore is the model of how the tight5 should be doing their core roles (ok occasionally he misses a lineout throw) but also looking for work.
July 4th 2012 @ 7:20am
post said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:20am | Report comment
Agree completely! It really irks me to hear the constant call that joc is too small to play at 12. Yes SBW, Roberts, etc are bigger, but so are most wingers. JOC brings the goods and needs to at least be given a crack at inside centre, my money would be on him causing all kinds of trouble for any opposing 12, as he has far more pace than any other international 12 and is a better playmaker than any of them as well. The days of the playmaker 12 are only gone because no other country has one available, we need to differentiate ourselves and show the rest of the world our aussie attacking rugby again.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:03am
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
post – I like where you’re coming from.
It seems to me that we see NZ do something & wish we could follow suit, rather than working out ways to expose flaws in their approach and play to OUR strengths.
Yes it’s a risk to have someone of JOC’s size up against someone 20kgs heavier but what about the advantages? I can’t see us beating the AB’s or Boks unless we score tries. And for that we need some zip, vision and skill (including the ability to put players through gaps). Our current centres are defensively sound and that’s about it.
Horne – Sorry to single him out but let’s not forget that he bombed one try & almost bombed another by not passing to a player in a better position. He either needs to pick up his pace or learn to pass.
My concern with JOC & Kurtley Beale is that both seemed to return to Super Rugby before they were 100%. We need to get that sorted out.
July 5th 2012 @ 11:17pm
wre01 said | July 5th 2012 @ 11:17pm | Report comment
Blinky Bill
You’ve seized on the exact thrust of my article.
We MUST play to OUR strengths- it has always been the Australian way to innovate. We picked Campo on the wing when everyone said you needed to be able to kick.
We played Larkham at 10 when almost every arm chair expert said he passed too flat and was a 15.
We pick two 7s in a squad of 22 when nobody else does.
Why bcause it suits our game and it suits our playing stocks.