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Australia has never had a great front row, but now it appears the Wallabies have a new problem – the centres.
This is an unfamilar position for Australians to be in. For many seasons we watched Horan and Little run, catch, pass and tackle. And kick, very occasionally.
They were, after all, arguably the greatest centre pairing ever to play the game.
Following them we had a gritty but skillful ball player in Elton Flatley at 12 and two big robust outside centres in Herbert and Mortlock, who never let the side down.
It was about combinations and combinations combine to score tries.
In the wake of the Welsh test series, the Wallabies have been criticised for “not daring to dare” by The Australian‘s Wayne Smith.
While it appears that Australia has found their long-lost compusure in tight games, critics were not satisfied with their recent 3-0 series win.
Fair enough; there has to be one eye on the Rugby Championship and scoring five tries in three tests won’t win that. So how do the Wallabies “dare to dare” again?
Why has there been a shortage of tries? The absence of Beale, Cooper and O’Connor certainly hasn’t helped.
But this isn’t an issue For mine; it starts and finishes in the centres.
Before I have a crack, credit where credit is due. In Pat McCabe, we have a number 12 who leaves it all on the field, a Nathan Grey, blood-and-guts type player.
I can’t say the same for Horne. In fact, can anybody recall Rob Horne doing anything special on a rugby field ever?
Anyway, while McCabe is a tremendously gutsy player and Horne is not, I don’t see either winning anything as the starting 12 and 13 for Australia.
By ‘anything’ I mean the trophies we all really care about – the Bledisloe, the British Lions Series, the 2015 Rugby World Cup.
Deans has been pilloried for picking McCabe at 12, but let’s take a moment to consider who the other starting inside centres are in international rugby.
The All Blacks have moved away from an Aaron Mauger-type player at second receiver and now look set on picking Sonny-Bill ahead of Nonu.
Stuart Lancaster picked one-dimensional Manu Tuilagi at 12 for England ahead of the ball-playing Owen Farrell.
The French have Fofana and the Welsh have Jamie Roberts when fit. Only South Africa picked close to a ball-playing inside centre in Frans Steyn and that is probably because Morne Steyn is about as creative as Matt Dunning.
Frans is still a lump. The preference in international rugby is clearly for big, ball-carrying inside centres who can offload. But that is wrong for Australia and here is why.
Firstly, McCabe is neither big or a ball carrier. All the heart in the world doesn’t equate to the two stone he is giving away each time he gets on the field.
Neither is he a guy who is an especially skillful passer or possesses a freakish offload like SBW.
He often runs standing upright into traffic and when he lowers his body height, god bless him, he merely moves one moment closer to oblivion.
Which leads me to my second point; we simply do not have a big, physically imposing, ball-carrying inside centre in Australian rugby right now.
Tapuai won’t cut it. Carter is a nonse. Lloyd Johansson is not international class.
We have Barnes and James O’Connor. Those are the only options at 12 as I see it and one of them must get the job.
After his problems with head knocks, Barnesy is not the man. I wish he was as he combines well with Cooper, but I’m not sure he will withstand the punishment in the long term.
James O’Connor must now be picked at 12 with one eye on 2013 and two eyes on 2015.
Aside from the fact that most of us would like to see a little arrogance knocked out of him by a particularly large back rower, the little Beiber lookalike is the best fit.
I hate to admit it, but he is strong, tenacious and skillful.
He can defend long enough for his backrow to arrivve and by gosh he can attack. He has the ability to show up a SBW or Jamie Roberts.
Whoever plays at ten will suddenly have options. Which brings me to 13.
Digby Ioane is not the answer. While he runs like a cannibal with a new-born baby, he cannot pass. He really really can’t.
For all the criticism of McCabe’s passing it isn’t nearly as bad as Digby’s. Which is why McCabe should play 13 outside James O’Connor.
Yes, you read that right. McCabe has the pace, has played there before and he offers more than Faingga.
From that point it boils down to a simple choice: Horne or MCabe.
It also allows room for Mitchell to be brought back at 14 alongside Ioane and Beale.
If and when matches are tight Barnes will still be available on the bench with Adam Ashley-Cooper the ultimate security blanket at 13 and for the back three.
Cooper and Beale will alternate seemlessly at first receiver. With Mr Beiber at 12, the three amigos will be in the thick of the action. And so they should be.
This duo get paid the big bucks and it’s time for them to stand up. Most importantly, it will bring the “daring to dare” dream alive.
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July 4th 2012 @ 7:46am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
JOC’s goods are 84kg which would rapidly be very bad when steamrolled by 110kg players. If Mccabe can steamroll JOC, then think what a player 15kg heavier and much better can do. Manu Tuilagi smashed through De Villers as if he were a scarecrow: JOC would be a pigmy scarecrow in comparison.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:06am
Johnno said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
KPM De Villiesr though my friend i have to correct you and disagree and protest on that one. JDevlliers is one of the best defensive players in world rugby.
Basically the way modern rugby is now your best teams defenders is basically the centres it seems.
-JDevlliers had to mark SBW last year in super rugby and did so with aplomb tackled him most of the time 1 on 1. He will miss some as do they all rob horne too misses a few tackles but he is an excellent defender.
Surely KPM you would know Jdevleliers is rated 1 of the best 1 on 1 defender in world rugby. He is 6:3 105kg and current springbok captain . Odriscoll misses tackles too but he sure can defend too can BOD.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:17am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Johnno disagreement is part of the rich tapestry of life and useful for developing ideas and so forth and thus it is far from a bad thing. Indeed man would have been unlikely to proceed from the jungle without minds that could question and doubt, debate, develop thought through affirmation, negation and resolution.
In this case I in fact agree anyway and was only citing a single instance more to point out the monumental power of Tuilagi than the defensive weakness of De Villiers. De Villiers is indeed the granite pillar you describe and it is because of that it was so extraordinary to see him rammed by Tuilagi in the first test. My point being that if Tuilagi can do that to such a tremendous defensive centre as JDV, even if only once, then what he would do to the munchkin JOC does not bear thinking about.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:23am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Johnno have a look, especially the second one:
This shows a full picture. What’s clear from this is that neither JOC wouldn’t have a hope of stopping either of them:
July 4th 2012 @ 1:07pm
rl said | July 4th 2012 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
umm, I might have missed the point, but isn’t Tuilagi wearing 13? So JOC wouldn’t be directly marking him.
And I agree with wre – Frans is a just a lump, and everything that Campo is decrying about today’s completely uninspiring and negative style of backline play. No thanks chaps, you can have your lumps, I’d prefer to see the great Australian tradition continue and have an ‘artful dodger’ at 12 any day.
And BTW – if I was Wallabies captain I’d be having a very long chat to the refs about Tualigi’s forearm ‘jolts’ when carrying the ball. Illegal AND grubby.
July 4th 2012 @ 1:29pm
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Yes you did miss the point: Tuilagi moved to 12 in the final test on what looks to be a permanent basis to partner Joseph. So he would be walking all over JOC for fun, if he can do that to JDV. Not only him for what it’s worth but SBW, Nonu et al..
July 4th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Justin2 said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
More than anything it highlights how poor JDV tackling technique was. Talk about going high with no leg drive. Got what he deserved!
The Tuilagi missing JDV badly in a simple one on one…
July 4th 2012 @ 3:42pm
Johnno said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
KPM yes agreed about Tuilagi i have seen SBW miss 1 tackle he sort off slid off a tackle once. ANd disagreement are great i love a good debate i thrive on it i think that’s why i come on the roar and other forums like it i liked to be proved wrong and also like to challenge other peoples opinions all in good taste, one develops when listening to others.
I have changed my mind on the ARC and super rugby. I now believe in super rugby for now coz haven’t found a suitable business model and realise the shut shield just doesn’t have the legs to survive eon it’s own full time pro, and curry cup and ITM cup cant stand alone either yet, i used to think they could and the rebels were a better option to invest in than keep a very sick busn=iness model ARC alive. But i believe we can have an ARC again if we change our super model to allow more private owners, moor eimports and basically just get a better business model and revenue stream going. IN my report KPM i wrote to SANZAR i said 1 wanted the waratahs HSBC sponsored to play 1 super rugby match a year in Asia to tap into new market there. English soccer does it really well it is a gold mine in Asia for teams like Man uNited and the embarrassing thing is KPM they are on other side of the world and are making millions out of Asia why aussy rugby is making nothing out of it particualry as so many exp pats there.
The london super 15 match in twickenham was an overwhelming success we need 1 suer rugby match in Asia per year they ar eon our dorrstep man united go to asia every 2nd year we can surly give Asia 1 super rugby match per year, and 1 in Africa like in morocco or somewhere or in eygpt or kenya .
Manu Tuilagi may now even be the no1 most destructive runne in world rugby. He is a 6’1 wrecking ball of muscle so strong he can bench press a lot and is ferocious even more so than his older brother who is a sensations the winger. And the eldest 1 in the family who has retired the no 8 Henry Tuilagi was one scary phenomenally strong no 8. What a talented and muscular family raw power just made for contact sports.
Manu Tuilagi too me is naturally stronger than Ma Nonu , and i am not surpassed he has sort of taken over england’s problem no 12 position. Mike Tindall is still going he can defend but is useless in attack now. And shontayn hape was physical but just seemed to exist in the match didn’t do anything at this level, kinda like rob simmons or ben mcelman or richard brown just exist with out actually doing anything invisible basically.
Manu Tuilagi though is as storng as they come he is up there with Jonah Lomu and Tony T-rex williams who would be one hell of a rugby union player.
July 4th 2012 @ 2:31pm
Post said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
Tuilagi also has the pace of a second rower. Give JOC an inch of space and he will leave Tuilagi in the dust. I just can’t agree with this negative mentality that our backline should focus on defense first. Sure McCabe and Horne won’t miss tackles, but that won’t do us any good if we aren’t scoring them as well. People go on and on about JOC being a defensive liability when in general he actually is a solid tackler. If anything, Horne is a far greater offensive liability and will cost us far more matches.
Yes McCabe blew through JOC earlier in the year, but at that pace and angle I’d wager McCabe would have scored over just about anyone.
July 4th 2012 @ 2:42pm
Justin2 said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:42pm | Report comment
Way too much has been made of that miss by JOC Post, way too much. I think JOC is a good defender but I need to see him at 12 more, this year he has been injured, in and out of 10 or 12.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:54pm
Johnno said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
No i disagree . D is all about attitude and if your centres cant tackle it stuffs the whole game plan up, and the other team gets to much attacking momentum.
Rod Kafer did proper video analyse last year of it on the rugby club.
-And when Mcabe tackles it showed he hits harder and turned the player over, where as when Barnes tackled at 12 he tackled but the player still got momentum and was able to get quick ball out and continue attack basically pick and go, where as Mcabe basically hit the man in his tracks turned him over and cussed the attacker and basically just slowed down the play and momentum.
-So much attack is directed in the centres if you cant tackle there in modern rugby you are gone all night the team will be on the back foot. D comes first for centres now in my opinion anyway.
-think all the good ones can tackle, Conrad smith, ma nonu, sbw, Kahui, tana umaga, tim horan, nathan gray what a tackler he was, Mcabe, they can all tackle
July 4th 2012 @ 4:34pm
Kuruki said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
What i saw in that video was Tuilagi running over a forward who was probably 110 plus kilo. So imo instead of basing your selections on what someone else can do, which would basically be pointless considering he can do the same thing to anyone you put there, maybe Australia should just worry about what is best for them and how they wish to play. Then when you have these mismatches the coach actually earns his pay by coaching !!! wow how ingenious. He comes up with a gameplan to contain the bigger opponent when possible and then exploit any weakness he has, which JOC could very well do with fast feet and pace. What’s the point of selecting someone like McCabe to contain these guys when they are bulldozing forwards 10 kilos heavier then McCabe? Not only are you fighting a losing battle you have just thrown your attacking game out the window also. JOC may be bulldozed one on one by Tuilagi but so would anyone else, that’s why it is a team sport.
July 5th 2012 @ 12:14am
Post said | July 5th 2012 @ 12:14am | Report comment
What Kuruki said. Horne and McCabe aren’t going to be dominating Tuilagi or Roberts in tackles any more than JOC. You’re just giving up a ton of attacking prowess for a small defensive gain.
I would like to point out that JOC actually did drop the hammer on SBW at least once when Force played Crusaders last year when they were opposing eachother at 12. I’ve also seen JOC produce dominating one on one tackles against forwards in international games (I specifically remember JOC lining Matfield up and hammering him). Realistically I think the JOC defensive weakness is based more on the fact that he is 84 kgs rather than on any actual statistics backing that claim up.
July 5th 2012 @ 2:01am
Adam-15 said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:01am | Report comment
I saw Cameron Smith tackle Tony Williams. Thats 25kg+ difference. I like McCabe but we need to move away from this one dimensional style of play and go back to playing how Australia has always played best with fast feet, hands and minds.
July 4th 2012 @ 7:55am
Fetus said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
McCabe has to be the 12 if not him then Barnes. JOC is a winger but I don’t think he particularly has claims to a starting jersey ATM he needs some form. Something tells me if Horne gets some confidence and some better direction as to his job he can be our best outside centre option. He does have speed and strength and size. He just looks like he is unsure. This probably comes from him rarely seeing the ball.
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July 4th 2012 @ 8:24am
Dasher said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Good article, but one criticism – I reckon Barnes only played well in attack at 12 (for any team) when he had Giteau at 10. PS Sorry but I’m “borrowing” your description of Ioane running – that is solid gold.
July 4th 2012 @ 8:57am
mikeylives said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
What about when he played at 12 outside Cooper against the huge French backline in 2010 and cut them to ribbons racking up 60 odd points ??
July 4th 2012 @ 8:43am
Rob9 said | July 4th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
Good to see an article that’s taken the other side of the fence by suggesting there is still a place for a ball playing 12 on an international rugby field. Your assessment of JOC is spot on. Offers so much more in attack and is up for it in defence. We’ve got arguably the best loosies getting around in world rugby who are the kings of slowing momentum and killing off front foot ball. A defensively dominant 12 isn’t a must! Yes JOCs been a bit off colour in defence in SR this year. He’s been praised for his defence before and defensive frailties are by far from the norm for him. I’d suggest it could have something to do with fitting into a new backline and playing one out from the defensive liability that is Cipriani.
McCabe fans love that one poor attempted tackle but need to realise that professional rugby players are human and do make mistakes on the field. And that’s what it was, he’s brought down far bigger units than McCabe before and he’ll continue to do it into the future and we can rely on him doing so for Australia. If you think otherwise you need to watch more of him. And the same people bringing up ‘that missed tackle’, did you see McCabe’s defensive blunder on the weekend that led to Cummins crossing over in the corner? Does that make him a bad defender? Of course not! Mistakes happen people and rugby players will continue to make them regardless of their size!
Agree almost all the way threw with your starting backline too. I can’t wait for a fully fit Drew Mitchell putting his hand up for a gold jersey again. The one change I’d make is AAC at 13. He’s proven the sort of rugby player he is and I think if we can stop using him as our Mr Fix-it in just about every position outside of 10 his game will benefit. Pidgeon hole him at 13 and allow him the chance to become the player he’s capable of. I see him as a BOD type 13 that’s a skillful user of the ball as well as being able to run good solid lines into and on the outside of contact. I think his best rugby has come when he’s played there before and he just needs to be left there (at SR and international level).
July 4th 2012 @ 10:19am
Kane said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
You say this “playing one out from the defensive liability that is Cipriani” but you forget to mention that putting him at 12 puts him one out from the defensive liability that is Cooper.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:31am
Rob9 said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
True, we hid Cooper for a while there but I genuinely believe Cooper’s not the defensive liability he was. It’s something he’s clearly worked on a lot. He had to seeing as the whole world knew about his short comings there. It’ll be interesting to see if he can continue to build his defensive game now that he’s back from injury. If not the answer could be Barnes/JOC 10/12. Barnes has again shown what he can bring at the test rugby level and I’d take that combo over Cooper/McCabe any day.
July 5th 2012 @ 2:29am
Marky mark said | July 5th 2012 @ 2:29am | Report comment
Omg you are struggling to stay with reality. Cooper is not a defensive liability. I’ll have what you’re having dude.
July 5th 2012 @ 9:58am
Rob9 said | July 5th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
It’s been acknowledged that I like to write an essay or two on here a bit. That’s in an attempt to get all the relevent info out in one hit and address all key points. What really gets my goat is having to spoon feed certain individuals who seem to struggle with the English language like yourself Mark.
Read again, I said ‘I don’t believe he’s not the defensive liability he was’. If it’s proven he still is lets go with Barnes/JOC or Barnes/Harris. Anything thing that isn’t the attack killing one dimensional game plan that you get when McCabe lines up at 12.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:02am
Markus said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
While a second playmaker is still a great addition, it doesn’t have to come from the 12.
What seems to be happening more often is the fullback coming into the line in attack and providing that support at first or second receiver. Jesse Mogg and Robbie Coleman do this at the Brumbies, Foley at the Tahs and Beale/Gerrard/Kingi have all done so at the Rebels.
Scrumhalves like Genia and Nic White also look to have taken on a South African scrumhalf mentality, bearing a lot more responsibility for the kicking duties and backline attack.
With that in mind, Athilnaur’s list above sums up perfectly what is needed in the 12 position at present. McCabe does not have the ability to offload like SBW, but his draw and pass is getting stronger and he is like a sponge when it comes to coaching orders.
Long term, the Reds look to have some very promising young prospects coming through in that regard, as do the Brumbies in Kuridrani and Joe Tomane.
While Tomane has been primarily playing wing, keep in mind it’s his first season of rugby in 5 years. He is big, fast, has great balance in the tackle, and can offload strongly off both hands. He would be a very wise investment as a 12 or 13 in the next couple of years.
July 5th 2012 @ 1:28pm
Kuruki said | July 5th 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
You are right it doesn’t have to come from 12 but there MUST be the ability to go swiftly thru the midfield and that is just not happening with McCabe and Horne. Every time the Wallabies wanted to go wide or execute a backline move Beale had to step into the midfield to do it. Horne could not even finish a simple wrap around he stuffed it up and ball went to ground, he just does not look comfortable or natural in anything he does with ball in hand, other then run.
People were moaning about having to hide Quade on defense because he was a liability, well news flash folks Deans has just gone and completely turned things upside down. Nolonger are you hiding a player on defense, you are now skipping him out on attack. For the Aussie backline to execute an effective backline play the ball must skip at least one set of hands in that midfield and unless the contact is planned at center probably two sets. You have gone from one extreme to the other, it’s simply baffling. When was the last time Aussie scored a genuine wingers try? Serious question i really can’t remember.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:27am
Touko said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
I was frankly disgusted by this article. How dare you say such things about Matt Dunning??! I was there when he nearly won the game for the Waratahs with his one and only successful drop goal after full time. That man not creative? He’s a bloody genius.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:46am
Red Kev said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
“Tapuai won’t cut it”
Complete and utter nonsense. No analysis, no facts, just a bald faced lie of a statement.
The fact is Ben Tapuai is the only natural centre Australia has. He has rock solid defence, good pace, but most importantly very good vision and a good pass, he also has the ability to offload in contact (not SBW freak style but better than anyone else).
I too am excited by the possibility of F’Sautia and Tomane and Kuridrani developing (although I hear rumours that F’Sautia is a lazy player and has relied on natural talent thus far which won’t work at the top level) into the type of centres Australia hasn’t had since Mortlock and Herbert. But they are not even close to ready yet. Australia needs to make the best of what it has, not wish for what it wants and a ball-playing 12 like Barnes with Tapuai at 13 makes best use of the talent on offer (and would actually involve our wingers) in attack.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:19am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
RK Tomane/Sautia looks the best bet in the long term. Kuridrani looks talented but White seems to hold him in low regard so we might not see much more of him sadly, as with Vaea. It would be nice if he moved somewhere else like the Force where he could get a start and took Vaea with him.
Genia, Ioane, Cooper, Tomane, Sautia, JOC, Beale certainly seems like a nice backline and would surely cause a few problems in attack to any opposition.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:58am
Markus said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
I don’t see it that White/Larkham hold Kuridrani in low regard, they are just aware he is still extremely raw. His game vs Wales showed he definitely needs work on his ball security in contact, as he was stripped of the pill several times.
While Kuridrani is very explosive and has huge potential, A Smith is the more balanced player at present.
Vaea was trialled as a South African style openside early this season, but Hooper’s form made it impossible to not start him every game. He’s still young and I have no doubt will get plenty of chances in future.
Agree with you RK that it is difficult to defend the statement “Tapuai won’t cut it”. If not for his injury he would still be the form Aus centre this year, at 12 or 13.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:05am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Markus that Wales match was against much of an international team so Kuridrani appearing raw at that level wouldn’t mean he did at Super level, and indeed he didn’t on the occasion White thought fit to start him.
Vaea is less raw than suggested. He was a starter the season before remember. Nor is he an openside at all but a 6 or 8.
If White shows no sign of starting these two they would surely be wise to go somewhere else where there is less competition for their specific positions. Playing centre at the Force now is not competitive, for example.
As for Tapuai, I would point out that being the form centre in Australia is exceptionally easy.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:34am
Red Kev said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Which doesn’t change the fact that Tapaui is the best we have right now.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:39am
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
RK in the sense that Tomane would need a positional change, Sautia is very young, and Leiifano injured, then yes at this very instant he may be though porbably not for long.
Sadly I must disagree with you on his merits though. He is a model of solidity and commitment, but is not exciting enough in attack to convince as the answer for an international centre, even if he is better than Mccabe/Horne etc…
July 4th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Markus said | July 4th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Vaea is extremely raw. He had been in the Brumbies Academy for all of about two months before being thrown to the wolves last year due to injuries to Hoiles and Elsom.
Being a starter in the worst Brumbies season on record does not immediately suggest he should be starting this season.
July 4th 2012 @ 12:19pm
kingplaymaker said | July 4th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
I’m not so sure. The Brumbies performances were not due to him. He is also 23 and has 24 Brumbies caps. After 24 caps you should be ready to start, especially, surely with months of the coaching of Jake White.
July 4th 2012 @ 4:46pm
Max Power said | July 4th 2012 @ 4:46pm | Report comment
RK what about Aidan Toua? He seems to be extremely injury prone but from what I’ve seen of him looks very promising.
July 4th 2012 @ 5:43pm
Red Kev said | July 4th 2012 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
I’ve not seen the guy at all other than in the Reds Season Guide (looks like he’s a winger rather than a centre though)
July 5th 2012 @ 11:21pm
wre01 said | July 5th 2012 @ 11:21pm | Report comment
Red Kev
Can you really see Tapuai winning a RWC with Australia at 12?
Horan, Greenwood, De-Villiers, SBW… sorry, Tapuai just isn’t in the same class.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:15am
Atawhai Drive said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
“Australia has never had a great front row.”
A courageous opening opinion, wre01.
Charitably, you might not have been around in the days of Daly, Kearns and McKenzie. Or Rodriguez, Lawton and McIntyre. Or Thornett, Johnson and White. Perhaps even Blades, Foley and Harry. But every so often a good trio turns up. We’re certainly struggling at present.
For what it’s worth, I can’t see any light on the centre horizon either.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:20am
jameswm said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
AD firstly I don’t think Daly, Keanrs and McKenzie was a great front row.
Secondly, I think we have 5 very good front rowers right now. Robinson, Kepu and Palmer, plus TPN and Moore. Saia Fainga’a with the right conditioning work would be a very good 3rd string hooker (his attitude and skills are good), and Alexander, Slipper and Holmes are on the next level as props, but still pretty good, and Paddy Ryan has been impressive this year too.
I think our front row stocks are as good now as they’ve been for 10-15 years. The biggest problem with our scrummaging is picking lightweight locks like Sharpe, Simmons and Dennis. The Tahs with Timani and Douglas scrum better than the Wallabies. Kevvy Horwill needs a good locking partner, maybe a Pyle or Neville will come through over the next year or two.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:23am
Atawhai Drive said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Looks like we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the quality of past and present front-row playing stocks, jameswm.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:31am
Red Kev said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
I always liked Blades, Foley and Harry as a front row, I thought they were technically superb and just did the hard work with no fanfare (Foley especially was a hooker I admired as a Wallaby). Or it may just be that I watched a lot of rugby during that time.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:21am
frisky said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:21am | Report comment
Interesting debate about JOC. I see him coming off the bench in almost any inner position and cutting up a tiring defence.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:31am
sixo_clock said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:31am | Report comment
A straight running offloading 12 is a good tactic, preserves width, and holds up the D. I wonder if we could train big blokes like the Honey Badger or he Rebel’s Inman to step up into this crash/promoter role? Looking wider Jesse Mogg is a playmaker (mmmm well if he likes protein shakes), ditto with ACT’s Smith. If we wish to copy the trend there are options.
However we have to play to our strengths and would much prefer the 10 and 12 to attract and pass to a big 13, and then back up either him or the winger. The most effective back line attacks require slick timely passing and game awareness by all so choose players on those criteria and they will work out the opposition. The quintessential centre these days is Conrad Smith. His contributions are first class, he is not that big but has ways of making things happen.