Where do Maroons sit in sport’s best-ever teams?
By John Davidson, 4 Jul 2012 John Davidson is a Roar Guru
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Queensland sits on the precipice of notching a tremendous feat; seven Origin series wins in a row. But where would this achievement rate in the all-time history of sport?
The Queensland team of the past seven years has been a special side. Any team that features the likes of Darren Lockyer, Billy Slater, Cameron Smith, Johnathan Thurston and Greg Inglis, and can win year-in-year-out in a very close two-horse race, is both ridiculously talented and stands out from virtually every other rugby league side ever.
If they can claim victory in Wednesday’s night decider, then they are above every other Queensland Origin team – yes, the ones that featured The King, Alfie and Big Mal himself. If they do win at Suncorp, maybe they are the best league team ever.
The 1982 Kangaroos outfit which won 22 games in a row were pretty handy. ‘The Invincibles’ had fantastic players in every position, perhaps more than any other team. This Australia line-up included the Parramatta trio of Brett Kenny, Peter Sterling, Eric Grothe and Ray Price, Queenslanders Mal Meninga, Wally Lewis and Gene Miles, not to mention Wayne Pearce, Steve Rogers, Steve Mortimer and Max Krilich and many others.
What a team! It’s little surprise they were unbeaten in Britain and France. The strength of international footy versus the Origin arena is a contentious one, but that kind of run and that kind of quality is special in any era.
Then you have the St George side that won 11 grand finals in a row, from 1956 to 1966. That is simply phenomenal. I never saw that team play but to pull off that kind of record, over more than a decade, is fantastic. This team evolved over the years with players coming in and out, but they featured some brilliant footballers.
Ken Kearney, Norm Provan, Billy Wilson, Brian Clay, Eddie Lumsden and Harry Bath were giants of the game, and they were followed by the equally freakish Johnny Raper, Reg Gasnier and Graeme Langlands. This Dragons side achieved something in rugby league that has never been bettered, and in reality, never will.
Moving away from rugby league, and we have just been treated to one of the greatest-ever international football (soccer) teams over the past four years. Spain have just collected their second European Championship title in a row, to go with their 2010 World Cup trophy, an achievement that has never been done before.
They have changed the face of football with their exquisite passing, attacking play and ball movement, and have done it in the most competitive sport in the world, played by more people than any other. The world awaits Brazil 2014 to see if they can be stopped.
Other great international sides include Brazil’s 1970 World Cup winners, which featured Pele, Carlos Alberto, Jairzinho, Tostao, Gerson and Rivelinho. They are probably the only other contenders to match up with today’s all-conquering Spanish XI.
On the club side, the greatest (in my mind), would be the Real Madrid side of the late 50s early 60s. Any team that boasts Di Stefano and Puskas – two of the best ever – is special, but it also included Gento, Del Sol, Canario, Zrraga, Vidal, Pachin, Santamari, Marquitos and Dominguez. Real won the European Cup won five times in a row between 1956 and 1960, something you are unlikely to see again. These were the real galaticos.
Who are the other teams from other sports that could match these sides? Well, the 1977-78 undefeated Australian Schoolboys rugby union team was a fabulous one. The three Ella brothers plus Wally Lewis, Michael O’Connor, Tony Melrose, Michael Hawker and Dominco Vaughan was an amazing assembly of talent that were unbeaten. In rugby union the All Blacks sides of 1905 and 1921 were outstanding, as was the inaugural 1987 World Cup winners.
In basketball, I can’t go past the original Dream Team, USA’s 1992 Olympics squad. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were just the tipping point of a team so deep it was insane.
They romped home to the gold medal without breaking a sweat, and apparently their practices where they faced off against each other were more intense than the games against their opposition. A kind of ultimate NBA All-Star game, with all the usual the pomp and glamour stripped away. Oh to be a fly on the wall in Barcelona then.
Of course there has been other fantastic sports in other sports – the 1961 New York Yankees, the 2001-02 Detroit Red Wings, 1927-30 Collingwood side, 1954-60 Melbourne Demons, 1997-2005 Australian cricket team, Don Bradman’s 1948 Invincibles etc etc.
Comparing different sports and different eras remains problematic. But the consideration of greatness, for me, comes down to a few things. Merely being talented is not enough. Ultimate success is paramount, as is prolonged success over time and the ability to take the sport to new heights and change it. The ability to juggle egos in such a quality team, is also important.
The 1974 and 1978 Dutch teams were stacked full of talent and brilliance, making two World Cup finals, but could not make the next step and win either penultimate games. The same goes for the fearsome 1995 All Blacks World Cup outfit.
So over to you Roarers …
Where do you rate this Queensland Origin team among the history of rugby league’s great sides? And across all codes who have been the best of the best, the greatest teams ever in the pantheon of world sport?
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July 4th 2012 @ 2:42am
Johnno said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:42am | Report comment
- Big centre and the great Bill Russell and the Boston celtics won 11 NBA titles from 1957-69. that is 11 championships in 12 years,
What a record and statistic.
-USA dream team Barcelona 92 Olympics Basketball team is the greatest assembly of talent ever formed in any sport I can think off.
(Jordan,Majic,Larry Bird, karl malone,scott pippen, patrick ewing, charles barkley,daivd robsinson what a team)
-Micheal Jordan and the chicago bulls 6 titles in 8 years and 2 he didn’t win , may of won 8 straight had jordan not taken time out and in the 5th year of that he only cam back late in the season and they lost to Houston in a semi. But with full preseasons he won 2 hatricks.
-St George dragons and rabbitohs teams were great.
-Brazil teams with Pele, and Manchester united 1999 team bekcham , peter scmicahal, ryan gigs,scholes, winning the treble was special team too.
-Hungary team and the Holland team that both failed when expected to win world cups were amazing teams too.
-LA Lakers and Majic Johnson were great too, and so were the boston celitcs and larry bird’s teams.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:55pm
Joshyyboi said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:55pm | Report comment
What about Arsenals ‘Invincibles’?
July 4th 2012 @ 6:09am
SandBox said | July 4th 2012 @ 6:09am | Report comment
on par with three WC victories in a row (and yes I know that makes 6 years v 12). So up there with the Oz ODI side for doing that.
July 4th 2012 @ 7:32am
The Grafter said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
With a winning percentage of 75.3 % having playing internationals since 1903, the New Zealand All Blacks stick out for me. The percentage would climb significantly if it included games on tour to.
They had the first ‘Invincibles’ when in 1924 they went through the UK, France, Ireland and Canada undefeated playing 32 games. One player, George Nepia played in every game.
From their first test match against Australia in Sydney in 1903 until the recent victory against Ireland they have played 487 tests winning367, losing 103 and drawing 17. They have never lost to Ireland, Argentina, Scotland, Fiji, Samoa, Italy, Japan, Tonga and the US (current Olympic Gold Medalists).
As only 5 nations have beaten them, the statistics say they are the most dominant team in the sporting world.
If
July 4th 2012 @ 7:47am
The Barry said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
George Nepia is the Terry Lamb of All Blacks rugby
July 4th 2012 @ 7:46am
The Barry said | July 4th 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
QLD are an absolutely great side – like the teams above they have remarkable team achievements and individuals like Smith, Slater, Inglis, Lockyer that will be remembered as legends of the game and many others as mere ‘greats’.
The only question mark is that QLD are only involved in a two horse race.
If Origins not the toughest, most intense sporting contest in the world it’s in the top couple. However it’s only contested by two teams and there’s not too many NSW players over the past 6 seasons that will go down as Origin legends, so that maybe dilutes their achievements a little bit when compared to club teams that have won comps involving many teams.
Then again, maybe the fact that it’s a concentrated “best of the best” selection it makes the 6 years even better.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:13am
Tigranes said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Have the All Blacks play the Maroons
I bet any Kiwis who had any ambitions of playing for Queensland would rather play for the All Blacks.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:19am
Jack Russell said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Hard to say, they only compete against one other team. It might be that NSW is one of the worst teams of all time.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:22am
MV Dave said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
This current Spanish side could be the greatest of all sports teams ever but…it needs to win in Brazil 2014 to confirm their best ever status. Currently they are one of the greatest ever. To be the greatest in the biggest team sport of all is the ultimate.
In terms of RL what can probably be said is that Queensland are the greatest Origin team of all time. However you couldn’t compare them with true international sporting teams because apart from NSW there is no one to play.
July 4th 2012 @ 9:28am
steve b said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
yeh maybe the most successful origin team ,,,but thats it ,,they only play one team,,, not a good comparison compared to others ….
July 4th 2012 @ 9:54am
tonysalerno said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
i agree with Steve B
It’s too hard to compare giving the circumstances of other international teams who play against different opposition on a regular basis
July 4th 2012 @ 9:47am
Josh said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:47am | Report comment
The All Blacks are the most successfull sports team in the world (based off their winning percentage of over 75%) and have probably laid claim to that title for over 100 years.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:16am
MV Dave said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
The All Blacks are the most successful RU team of all time but given their is only a handful of small countries where the sport is dominant then l would argue that Brazil with 4 WCs, 2 Runners Up, numerous South American and Confederations Cup wins they are the most successful national team of all.
Club football is a different beast again.
July 4th 2012 @ 2:34pm
WQ said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
No MV Dave you are not listening, they are the most successful National Team of any sport in the world over 100 years, google it.
July 4th 2012 @ 2:44pm
MV Dave said | July 4th 2012 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
Brazil have won 5 World Cups (not 4 as l listed above) in the biggest team sport in the world plus 2 runners up. Without being too disparaging to RU l think that surpasses the AB who beat the same handful of decent teams year after year.
July 5th 2012 @ 12:11pm
D Maaga said | July 5th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
and that will even make the kangaroos winning percentage looks like kids play compare to the all blacks.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:23am
The Greatest Game Of All said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Nowhere near as good as the Kangaroos, Id back any great Kangaroos side against any great All Blacks side.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:12am
nzmate said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
I would say the world outside of Australia would probably disagree with you. But i thought we were comparing teams who compete in the same sport which would pitch australian league against great britain and the kiwis.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:39am
The Greatest Game Of All said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Nah the bloke said the All Blacks have the best winning percentage, wrong, the Kangaroos have a superior winning percentage, fact.
July 4th 2012 @ 3:31pm
WQ said | July 4th 2012 @ 3:31pm | Report comment
No you are wrong The Greatest Game Of All, see my post below.
July 5th 2012 @ 1:36am
al said | July 5th 2012 @ 1:36am | Report comment
All blacks winning percentage 75.36%, kangaroos 68.10%. Source: wikipedia
July 4th 2012 @ 11:56am
D Maaga said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
well why don’t you share with us why you think the kangaroos has a better percentage winning than the AB’s?
July 4th 2012 @ 12:16pm
The Greatest Game Of All said | July 4th 2012 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
Aside from winning more games than they lose in comparison to the All Blacks?
July 4th 2012 @ 12:26pm
D Maaga said | July 4th 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
fair enough tggoa consider the kangaroos will probably play one or two test matches this year.
July 5th 2012 @ 1:10am
AIS said | July 5th 2012 @ 1:10am | Report comment
You mean the world outside NSW/QLD/(south auckland?)/crappiest place in england.
July 4th 2012 @ 11:18am
D Maaga said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:18am | Report comment
so whats the point of comparing a queensland origin team who only play against the same opposition every year to those teams who have come through many tournaments and test matches year in year out?
July 4th 2012 @ 11:18am
D Maaga said | July 4th 2012 @ 11:18am | Report comment
so whats the point of comparing a queensland origin team who only play against the same opposition every year to those teams who have come through many tournaments and test matches year in year out?
July 4th 2012 @ 9:55am
Gleeso said | July 4th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
great team, but I say that they play a fairly ugly brand of League. Similar to the old Melbourne style of just suffication. I have time for Craig Foster and his views on Football. The great teams should take some responsibility for the style they play. Barcelona FC of the last 5 years has been the greatest sporting team in the world. They made me want to watch a sport I am otherwise disinterested in. Thy brought glory to the sport.
I yearn for a rugby league coach to come along who has the balls to play the game in a way that is pleasing to the eye. Similar to the Eels of 09. Now if they had of dominated with that style for 3 years I think the game would be for the better and they would be remembered as great. Instead the dominant team was St George with that cynical, boring style that turned people to other forms of entertainment. And Qld with a similar style.
July 4th 2012 @ 10:13am
The Greatest Game Of All said | July 4th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
As far as Australia is concerned, they are right up there, i dont know if they are better than the Immortals that was a great side, the 86 tour side was brilliant also. You cant argue with names like Lockyer, Inglis, Slater, Smith, Thurston, Hodges, Folau, Hunt, Petero, Price, Thaiday just a champion side.
But at the end of the day you cant compare a great provincial side to a great international side such as the brilliant Brazilian Soccer teams, the awesome 80′s West Indies side or the USA Dream Team, they are in a league of their own.
Just sit back tonight knowing that you are watching a great once in a generation Rugby League team, Queenslander!