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“The most even season in recent memory” has been a common refrain during 2012, and rarely have we seen the race for every spot in the top four so open this far into the year.
With eight all-important rounds left to play, each of which contains at least one match-up between the current top six sides, it’s time to put my predicted top six down in black and white, and let the supporters of these teams know whether they’ll have secured the double chance come September.
1st – Collingwood – 18 wins
I’m pretty happy to write off the Pies defeat at the hands of Carlton as an aberration and ‘the loss they had to have’ after ten wins in a row.
While not the well-oiled machine of 2010-11, they are still the most impressively credentialed, well coached and talent-laden team in the comp.
We’ve yet to see Pendlebury, Swan and Thomas fit and firing in the same team this year alongside the impressive Beams and Sidebottom.
Jolly hasn’t been at his best, but the midfield depth can overcome any ruck deficiencies, and Jolly’s wiles and big game experience will carry him a long way.
Travis Cloke should find his powerhouse best in the lead-up to and during September, so they are still the team to beat.
The Pies run home isn’t particularly scary, perhaps dropping one more, to either Hawthorn in a blockbuster round 17 clash on Saturday afternoon at the MCG, or away to West Coast in round 22. Lose both of these, and they’ll be hopping on a plane in week one of the finals.
2nd – West Coast – 17 wins
The Eagles haven’t been at their best since the round nine derby win over Fremantle, going 3-2 from that point which included scrappy wins over Carlton and North, but a mid-year flat spot after a superb 7-1 opening is to be expected, if not encouraged.
This is the most structured team in the league, with a bevy of midfielders adept both inside and out being fed by the most lethal ruck combination in the history of the game.
Their backline is the most balanced in the league, and while Josh Kennedy’s absence will be felt if he can’t get fit for finals, their multi-pronged forward line has been impressive so far, with Cox and Naitanui filling the breach as the extra tall.
West Coast has four tricky matches in the run home, but the middle four rounds should all provide wins, and that should be enough to see them secure a top two spot, and potentially a home ground run through to the grand final.
3rd – Adelaide – 17 wins
The Crows are the surprise packet of the season that just won’t go away, and their ten goal showdown victory under injury duress on Saturday night suggests that they’re here to stay for a while longer.
Adelaide could be the most even team in the competition, with the gap between their best player and their worst the closest of any top side. Thompson provides the inside grunt and consistency of accumulation, while Dangerfield and Sloane provide explosiveness and are flint-hard at the contest.
A long kicking gameplan gives Walker and Tippett an edge that they’ve been all too happy to turn into goals, and they’ll need both to fire to go deep into September.
While the other sides in contention for the top four play only one of GWS, Gold Coast or Melbourne coming home, the Crows get to feast on all three.
Currently sixteen percentage points behind West Coast, this turn of good fortune could be enough to ensure their first final is played in Adelaide, and not Perth or Melbourne.
4th – Hawthorn – 16 wins
The Hawks own the highest percentage in the competition after their 162 point demolition of the Giants yesterday. It was their fifth straight comfortable victory, with an averaging winning margin of over thirteen goals during this period.
Hawthorn were the popular pre-season pick, but lost their way in the early part of the home and away rounds, losing to Geelong, West Coast and Sydney after being in positions of strength. But recent weeks have seen the confidence return, and with a hard-working midfield feeding Franklin, Roughead and Rioli, as destructive a forward trio as there is, they’ll fancy their chances against any opponent.
The Hawks will jump ahead of West Coast or Sydney into the top four next week, and the following three rounds will decide if they stay there, matches against Collingwood, Essendon and their arch-nemesis Geelong in that time. Win two of that three, followed by Port and Gold Coast, and they’ll get the double chance in September.
5th – Sydney – 16 wins
What Sydney has done as well as any team this year is beat up on weak prey when it’s been their turn. Wins over GWS by 63 and 92, victories over Melbourne by 101, Western Bulldogs by 92, Brisbane by 47 and North by 36, all in Sydney, have given them a percentage that sees them higher than they might otherwise be.
It is true that the Swans have beaten Essendon, Geelong and Hawthorn, but the first two were by bare margins, and the latter was arguably the strangest turnaround match of the year.
Losses to Adelaide, Richmond and St Kilda have the sceptics wary of rating them too highly, and they are yet to play Collingwood, West Coast or Carlton.
As stated a couple of weeks ago in this column, Sydney’s very best is probably unequalled, but it also isn’t sustained for long enough against the best teams, and when they have their flat patch during a game, they can struggle to even look like top eight material.
Jetta, Jack, Kennedy, Mumford and Goodes will carry them a long way this year, but just short of a top four berth for mine.
6th – Essendon – 14 wins
The Bombers got beaten in every facet of the contest against the Saints on Saturday night, but like Collingwood’s loss to Carlton, I’m happy to write it off as out-of-character; a bad performance from a good side.
Missing from that team were important players like Crameri, Zaharakis and Monfries, while Watson, Stanton and Ryder were unusually subdued – I’d be expecting all three to bounce back strongly against Port this week. Hurley going down with yet another hamstring won’t help, but Essendon have overcome injuries well this year.
They’re a solid team that isn’t a threat yet, but have the right building blocks in place to get there when their ‘premiership window’ does open.
The Bombers really only have one ‘gimme’ in the run home, but play a host of teams in and around them. I reckon they’ll go four and four, and are more likely to pinch another victory than lose one, but it won’t have any impact on their ladder position if they do. You can take it the bank that they’ll be finishing in sixth spot.
We’ll follow up next week with the fight for the lower echelons of the final eight, and work out who can book their holidays already.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.
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July 9th 2012 @ 8:36am
Christo the Daddyo said | July 9th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Another columnist writing off the Swans…this time using inconsistent arguments.
One one hand you disparage the Swans win over the Hawks as “the strangest turnaround match of the year”, and yet Collingwood lose to Carlton and it’s an “aberration”.
The fact is that ALL of the top teams have lost games that on paper they should have easily won – why disparage the Swans more than the other teams? I just checked the ladder and the Swans were on top. At the end of the day, wins are all that count.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:37am
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Christo – I’m prepared to keep my powder dry in regards to Sydney.
Hawthorn completely outplayed and outclassed Sydney in that first half and should have been much further in front, but then the opposite applied in the second, so i’m not sure what to make of that game.
The Swans haven’t played WC or Coll yet, were beaten by the only good side they’ve actually played at home (Adel), and were completely outplayed by Richmond and St Kilda, sides that won’t be playing finals.
Sydney were also outplayed for three quarters by Geelong at home, but also outplayed Essendon for three quarters away.
So yes, I have my doubts about Sydney as legitimate premiership material, I believe that Collingwood, West Coast and Hawthorn are better than them, and I will continue to do so until they prove otherwise.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:45am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
Cameron – no comment on the blues this week? And given the Bombers recent form why is the St Kilda game written off? Didn’t they get to 9-0 and now sit 10-4?
For me the Hawks are teh most likely simply because they have Roughhead, Gunston and Franklin as marking forwards with Rioli as the crumber, the only other side that could mathc that is the Eagles but they need Kennedy back quickly to be fit for finals.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:02am
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Macca,
I doubt there was anyone happier with the Blues display on Friday night than you, and that includes Brett Ratten and the Carlton players! For what it’s worth, I think your team will sneak into eighth on the back of that victory.
Essendon are going through a flattish patch, but Saturday night was too bad to be an accurate reflection of their ability. They’ll respond, and they also have a habit of knocking over very good teams at the right time.
Agree on Hawthorn being a huge chance, and I certainly hope they go all the way. Backed them to win the flag at the start of the year, and also had a double with them winning the flag into Jobe Watson for the Brownlow at around 75-1!
July 9th 2012 @ 10:10am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
A Flattish patch? Maybe so but they play Geelong, Hawthorn, Carlton, North Melbourne, Adelaide, Richmond and Collingwood after Port this week – not many easy wins there.
Carlton may only “sneak” into the 8 but will be dangerous if they do, Collingwood won’t want to play them in the second week.
July 9th 2012 @ 2:01pm
Australian Rules said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
If Carlton do make the 8, they are the team that every other finalist would like to play.
July 9th 2012 @ 2:37pm
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
I don’t thik Collingwood would say that!
And by the time finals roll around the blues will have Murphy, Waite, Henderson and Simpson back.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:48pm
TJ said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:48pm | Report comment
Cameron – you write off the Swans and claim Essendon had a bad night at the office. Did you forget that Essendon made it to 9-2 because they had the easiest draw to that stage of the comp: Port, Gold Coast, GWS, Brisbane and Melbourne.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:56am
Bullet said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Cameron – What will it take to “prove otherwise” to you though?….
Even if we fly over to Perth and put the eagles to the sword it will probably still be an “aberration”.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:05am
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Bullet – If the Swans lose this week as most people will predict (surely even you concede that there is some chance of that happening), then Sydney will be sitting in 5th place, so that hardly makes my prediction that crazy does it, or an unprovoked attack on all things Sydney?
But if Sydney do win, and I do rate the game a 50/50 chance, then yes, they will move up in my estimations.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:40am
Poohdini said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Sydney is on top this week. But as we have seen you can fall from the top of the ladder very quick this year. Collingwood went from 1st to 4th this weekend. Sydney lose to West Coast in WA this weekend, Collingwood beat Geelong, Adelaide beat GWS & Hawthorn beat the Bulldogs and your beloved Swans will fall to 5th. Would you then find this prediction realistic?
Poohdini out!
July 9th 2012 @ 9:00am
The Oudsman said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Quite a few coulda’s and shoulda’s surrounding the Pies, according to this column. Jolly and Cloke fill, historically, the two key planks to premiership success, and, crucially, both are without an obvious replacement.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:00am
Rob said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
It’s a great 8 weeks of footy coming up with four teams equal top of the ladder currently. Think this order is pretty much right, besides the Pies getting the top spot the scrap for the next 3 places will be great to watch, especially with the chance of teams finishing equal second and missing the home final on percentage.
Gee that first final you’ve got of the Pies v Hawks, is mouth watering. Funnily enough, you could see a team finish equal top this year and go interstate for their first final!
As a Bombers fan I’m worried about this week, losing Hurley and Hocking, I’m really hoping we got a bad one out of the way against the Saints.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:41am
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Ah, yes, the old ‘equal top’ talk. There has never been a more nonsensical phrase in the history of football.
And if Essendon lose to Port this week, not only do they not deserve to play finals, they don’t deserve to be in the AFL.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:52am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Cam – Why do the bombers get a pass becuase they were missing “Missing from that team were important players like Crameri, Zaharakis and Monfries” and the blues injuries which a far far more influential dismissed?
July 9th 2012 @ 11:17am
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Macca,
Carlton’s injuries haven’t been dismissed, they just aren’t the overriding reason for their poor season that people have made out, because every teams suffers them.
The proof of that was actually on Friday night. If Carlton had played with that level of intensity and conviction all season then they’d be in a better position than they are now.
Essendon were poor on Saturday night. Personally, i’m happy to forgive them one bad performance, but if it turns into a string of bad performances (like what Carlton offered up for so long), then things will change and injuries won’t be an excuse.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:31am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Cameron – As Ratten said on Friday, look at the Geeelong game, look at the west coast game, the effort has been there (even the Hawks game the key stats show reasonable effort) and yes Friday night was a higher level again but my point is that when you are missing 2 premier on ballers, a CHF, a CHB and a couple of back flankers small drop off’s in effort get exaggerated.
And Essendon get 1 bad performance, wasn’t that the Melbourne game? and Crameri, Zaharakis and Monfies aren’t exaclty elite.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:12pm
Bayman said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:12pm | Report comment
Cameron,
“And if Essendon lose to Port this week”………
A bit harsh…….but I know what you mean!
July 9th 2012 @ 9:19am
Australian Rules said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Most even season in a long time.
Gonna be a cracking finals series.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:23am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
I thin writing the Pies loss to the blues off as an abberation is silly. Carlton have now beaten them twice for the season, this time missing, Waite, Henderson, Murphy and Laidler with Hampson going down inside the first 10 minutes and losing SImpson late, other teams need to look at the way the blues play them.
Watching on TV (which doesn’t tell the full picture) the blues don’t try too hard to stop Swan but put enough time into him to try and make sure he gets his possessions in the back half where his 15m kicks don’t do much damage. They used Carrazzo on Pendlebury in the first game and Beams on Friday to shut out that outside run and the had Betts carve up O’brien and played defensive fprwards on both Shaw and Maxwell to good effect.
The other thing to take out of the game is Dawes is a dud and if you push Cloke high they struggle to score.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:53am
Poohdini said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
I was at the game on Friday & must say Carlton have the game plan down pat for my beloved Pies. It’s hard to tell on TV but when Carlton had the ball they chipped it around. They would chip 20-30 meters to a loose man. Collingwood play a zone so there are free Carlton players everywhere. They just kept chipping until they got to their 50. When Collingwood had the ball Carlton went man on man. Collingwood had no choice but to kick to a contest & turn it over. Collingwood showed no respect for their opponent & kept getting caught out. Carlton chipping around not only held possesion but took Collingwood’s run & momentum out of the game. A frustrating game to watch when you can see it in the first quarter & there is no change come the 4th quarter.
Poohdini Out!
July 9th 2012 @ 10:12am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
Poohdini – “Collingwood showed no respect for their opponent & kept getting caught out” Before the game the talk was Collingwood don’t tag anyone becasue the don’t have to, Judd then was fantastic and his possessions far more damaging than Swan.
July 11th 2012 @ 10:19am
Poohdini said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Collingwood don’t tag but it doesn’t stop the opposition using a quality player to make Swan or Pendlebury less effective. Clubs know that great players are going to get the ball regardless if you tag them or not. How effective they are depends on the pressure in which is put on them. Collingwood dont tag because of the way they set up their press. Now if a club makes the press ineffective not only does Judd look damaging but the whole Carlton side looks damaging.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:36am
Winston said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Agree on the number of number of coulda’s and shoulda’s on the Pies. If I was to apply the same optimism on the Swans, then first they’ll beat WC this weekend (Lions beat WC, and Swans smashed Lions, there Swans must smash WC); Reid has come good finally and will soldier on; Goodes will continue to improve and be scary once again; if they could beat Geelong in Geelong last year, surely they can do it again this year; if they could beat the Hawks in Tassie, then of course they’ll beat them at the SCG. As long as a couple of those assumptions hold true, they’ll finish the season in top 4 most definitely, if not minor premiers.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:29am
wisey_9 said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
I’m happy for Cam, and for everybody else, to continue to write off the Swans…
In fact, I’m happy for the Swans to be the dark horse all the way up to the Grand Final, and then for everyone in Melbourne to write them off because we apparently can’t play at the MCG!
The underdogs tag suits the Swans mentality, and it also suits my sportsbet account.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:37am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Wisey – Yeah the Swans do keep flyingunder the radar and look a good side. My query would be their record at the MCG, form memory it isn’t great is it?
Finishing top 2 would be very important to them.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:53am
Matt F said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Our MCG record is deplorable. It’s something like one win from our last fifteen matches or something like that. That being said, we don’t play at the MCG too often either. I think we played 3 games there last year, including a final, and we’ve only got one game their this season so most of our players wouldn’t have played in may of those 15 games. Still, it is probably the biggest question mark regarding our premiership credentials.
However, given how well West Coast and Adelaide are doing, there may not actually be a Victorian team in the GF which should negate the MCG effect a bit. Though there’s a lot of games to be played until that happens!
July 9th 2012 @ 2:05pm
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
I do love the way the commentators say things like haven’t won here since 2003 and then it turns out the have only played a handful of games there.
July 9th 2012 @ 2:36pm
Matt F said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
Before we played Geelong a few weeks ago some people were quoting a stat that we had only won 1 of our last 10 matches against Geelong. Whilst this was true, an equally accurate statistic could have been that we’d won 1of our last 1 game against Geelong. Naturally I look forward to Round 23 when they say that we’ve now only won 2 out of our last 10 against Geelong
Further proof that while stats don’t lie, they don’t always tell the whole truth.
That being said we seriously do need to work on our MCG record. If only we had a few more chances to do so!
July 9th 2012 @ 9:40am
D.Large said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Will have to take Cam at his word on this one as unless you study the rest of the draw and allocate your own wins and losses its hard to have an opinon. The only opinion in that case can be that those 6 teams will finish in the top 6. You can take that to the bank.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:44am
The Oudsman said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Anyone can have an opinion, D Large.
Whether it’s any good or not is an entirely different point.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:58am
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
That’s twice The Oudsman has commented without offering anything close to an opinion of his own.
Easier to go the hack on others I suppose, without offering a shred of evidence to suggest he watches anything other than his own team every week.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:51am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
D.Large – Have a look at the BOmbers last 7 games, there is no gurantee they will make the top 6. In fact if the bombers win 3 and the blues win 6 (very possible given the draw) it will only be percentage between them.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:26am
D.Large said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Macca,
Essendon will drop some they should win and pinch some they should not, the same with all of the other teams in the mix. But, if Essendon dont finish in the top 6 it wont be Carlton who are replacing them.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:35am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
I am not saying the blues will finish top 6, I am saying the bombers could conceivably miss the finals or finish 8th with Geelong getting to 6th and any of the blues, St Kilda, Richmond or Freo getting above them.
Carlton for example have North this week, the Buldogs, Richmond, Sydney brisabne Essendon, Gold Coast and St Kilda. It is very conceivable the blues (who will get back Murphy, Henderson and Wate in this few weeks) win at least 6 of those, Essendons draw is a lot tougher and only have 1 certainty (Port this week).
July 9th 2012 @ 11:53am
Redb said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Spot on. D Large.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:56am
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
How many do you have the bombers winning on the run home Redb?
July 9th 2012 @ 12:01pm
Redb said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Cant you read Macca, I agree with D Large’s comment.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:04pm
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
Don’t see D.Large putting a figure on it there Redb! Or saying exactly which games he thinks they’ll win!
You seem a bit touchy today, is reality setting in?
July 9th 2012 @ 11:40am
tonysalerno said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
It is all speculation at the moment. But to have Sydney who are ranked first, to drop all the way to fifth is a big statement. Granted, the competition is very tight and one win/loss will change the landscape drastically but i think Sydney will be in the four at the expense of the Adelaide Crows.
The Crows have been outstanding this year but i don’t know if they will be able to match it with the other 4(5) teams at the end of September
July 9th 2012 @ 12:08pm
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
Tony,
If Sydney lose this weekend they will be fifth, and that’s not an indictment on them, it’s very tight up the top and of five teams don’t fit into four spots. Some team has to miss out, and for mine it will be the Swans.
Even though I have Adelaide finishing higher due to their softer draw, I agree that they won’t be figuring come the end of September.
July 9th 2012 @ 2:39pm
Sean said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
The difference is one game and percentage between 1st and 5th.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:41am
Brian said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
The uneven draw will see Adelaide claim a top 4 spot and Carlton make the 8. I will also join the Sydney write off campaign, flag seems between Pies, Eagles and Hawthorn (if they can make top 4).
July 9th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
Ah Brian, a reasonable man amidst all this madness. Agree with every single word.
July 9th 2012 @ 12:14pm
Bullet said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
A “reasonable man”… In the “Sydney write off campaign”… hardly reasonable I’d say.
How can you say West Coast can win the flag and Sydney aren’t even a chance when “West Coast haven’t been at their best since round 9″ (against the poorly performing Dockers) and Sydney are undeniably the in-form team of the competition?
July 9th 2012 @ 12:36pm
Cameron Rose said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Bullet,
Right now, I hold the position that Sydney are not good enough to win the flag because they can’t sustain their best for long enough (for all of those accusing me of being a Sydney hater, I actually wrote that their best is probably the best of any team). They can also play some ordinary football, such as when Richmond and St Kilda made them look third rate.
I have Collingwood, West Coast and Hawthorn in front of them for premiership calculations.
The Swans will have their chance to make me change my mind over the next eight weeks.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:05pm
Matt F said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
I won’t argue that the Richmond and St Kilda games were poor for us, and in a comment below I have pointed out that I consider Collingwood and West Coast the two teams to beat, but your logic can easily be applied to every team in the Top 6 (and everyone else below.)
Every team has a few bad games in a season, and produce a few moments of very poor football, especially in a year as close as this. Collingwood have been belted by Carlton twice, West Coast by the Bombers, the Crows by the Hawks and Roos, the Hawks by the Swans and Tigers and the Bombers by the Saints and Demons (not a belting but, well, it’s Melbourne.) I’m curious why you hold these games against the Swans but not so much for the rest?
Don’t even get me started on the teams out of the Top 6
July 9th 2012 @ 3:25pm
Brian said | July 9th 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Sydney have a lot of good grafters but I don’t see many X factors to win them a GF on the MCG. Now before you list them Sydney record at the MCG is not great and I assume their home Finals this year will also be at ANZ due to the SCG redevelopment. Thier advantage there is much diminished from the SCG, unlike WCE who would be almost unbeatable in two home Subiaco Finals.
Coll, WCE and Hawthorn also look the 3 sides with the best personnel to come back in. Kennedy, Hodge etc.
July 9th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Matt F said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
Our record at ANZ is fine. We haven’t played a final at the SCG since 2005 anyway so it’s hardly new for us. The issues with ANZ these days are no longer performance related but about it’s location to the majority of the supporter base, turf quality and the fact that there’s nothing to do out there.
Is it as big of an advantage as West Coast have with Subiaco? Of course not, then again neither is the SCG. No other team has that kind of “fortress.” But it’s no different to having to play Adelaide at AAMI or for a non-victorian side playing a Collingwood/Hawthron/Essendon in Melbourne.
I’ve mentioned our MCG issue in numerous posts. It’s clearly the biggest issue we face, though given how rarely we play there, it’s more a mental issue then a tactical/technical one. However, if we can grab a Top 2 spot then we may not have to play there until the GF and even then it could very well be against a non-victorian side which would probably negate the issue somewhat.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:03pm
EddyJ said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:03pm | Report comment
Jeeze, you’ve got some strange logic when it comes to the Swans. Hawthorn were beaten by 37 points by the Swans – who cares about whether the Swans were smashed in the first half if they come out and win by 6 goals? Hawthorn were also smashed by 62 points by Richmond. The fact is that every team in the top half of the ladder has had a bad loss or two, which is what you’d expect during the season. You could apply your logic to any of the teams in the top five – West Coast failed to score a goal in the first half against Hawthorn but still won the game. It’s a long season – Hawthorn are travelling well at the moment but see how things pan out after Round 23.
July 15th 2012 @ 9:09pm
EddyJ said | July 15th 2012 @ 9:09pm | Report comment
Following the Swans win over West Coast in Perth, are there any new reasons why you think they can’t win the premiership this year?
July 16th 2012 @ 9:10am
Bullet said | July 16th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Changed your mind yet Cameron?
4 quarter performance against a top 4 team away from home.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:44am
Hawks9108 said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:44am | Report comment
Bombers are going one way fast…DOWN DOWN DOWN
they are overrated and rely too much on too few…Watson and Stanton (even though the Essendon supporters despise him).
Again i will say the draw has favoured the bombers very nicely and we will only now see where they are truly at.
I suspect that we will be told that they have injuries and that is why they will struggle
July 9th 2012 @ 11:52am
Redb said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:52am | Report comment
Oh look who is all up and about after beating GWS. lol
July 9th 2012 @ 12:00pm
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Both Hawks9108 and I warned you last week the bombers were looking shaky and you wouldn’t have it.
Hocking and Hurley looking at lengthy spells in the stands this week becomes a crunch game. Could be a case of lose it and you are goooorrrrrnnne! And my finger didn’t get stuck on the key.
July 9th 2012 @ 12:07pm
Redb said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Did you?
Where did you say Essendon will lose to St Kilda this week?
This will be good.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:09pm
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
Now it is you who seem to struggle reading, I said “we warned you the bombers were looking shaky” which is actually what happened and what more evidence of them being shaky than a 12 gola belting?
I did tip 9 this week in my local comp by the way but you’ll just have to take my word for that.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:30pm
Redb said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
No Macca, you said zip about St Kilda.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:39pm
Macca said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
Geez Redb read what I am saying before getting all defensive, I admitted that on this site I said nothing about the outcome of the Stkilda Essendon game, I did say that Essendon weren’t going as well as you thought and you said well we are 10-3 and Carlton are 6-7 so there,
Now you are saying well we are 10-4 but a month ago you were 9-1 and in a month time you could be 11-7 (which the blues could as well by the way), so how about you stop getting all snooty and think rationally.
And I know what I tipped and don’t care if you believe me frankly.