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The fearless prediction of the non-gambling Greek is that three South African sides, two New Zealand sides and just one Australian side will make the Super Rugby finals.
Those teams are the Stormers (62 points currently), the Chiefs (63) and the Brumbies (58) as the respective winners of their conferences.
The other three teams should be (provided there aren’t any massive upsets in the final round): the Crusaders (58), the Bulls (54) and the Sharks (54).
The history of the Super Rugby tournament is that the composition of the finals team is not often known until the last match of the last round is played.
In theory, this midnight knock could come again as the Bulls play the Lions to conclude the pool rounds of the 2012 tournaments.
I say, in theory, because the match is being played at Pretoria which is the home ground of the Bulls and as its nick-name ‘the bull ring’ suggests is a venue where the reverse of Christians being fed to the lions in ancient Rome will apply.
The Lions will be fed to the truest believers in world rugby, fans who put pig rings through their noses and pelt opposition teams with fruit and harder missiles if things don’t go right for their team.
I will certainly get some vicious and scatalogical emails from Bulls supporters but it should not be forgotten that this ‘anything goes’ mentality resulted, in my opinion, in one of the worst stunts in Super Rugby history earlier this year when two Bulls players complained about eye-gouging by a rampant Crusaders team. The complaints just before and after half-time completely destroyed the Crusaders momentum.
There are several very dicey aspects of these incidents (from a Bulls perspective, not a Crusaders perspective), again in my opinion, and it is worrying that the SANZAR investigation which cleared the Crusaders did not go more deeply into what actually did happen and why.
Anyway, the point here is that the Lions are not likely to defeat the Bulls at Pretoria.
The Sharks should defeat the Cheetahs at Durban. It seemed to me that the Shark were the most impressive of all the South African sides in week 20. They blitzed the Bulls, playing at home, and have the sort of team that could go deep into the finals with their power pack and hard-running backs.
On The Roar on Sunday I noticed that a fellow sports tragic ‘Sheek’ has picked the Sharks to defeat the Brumbies in the first round of the finals series.
This presumes that the Brumbies will be the third placed of the conference winners, behind the Chiefs and the Stormers, the respective New Zealand and South African conference winners.
The resolve and the rugby intelligence of the Brumbies this season should not be dismissed lightly. They are well-organised, well-led on the field by Ben Mowen, well-coached and have a clarity about their play which reflects this.
On Saturday at the Allianz Stadium they won only their second match in Sydney against the Waratahs in a Super Rugby tournament. The other victory was in 2002 in a finals match. So this was the only victory for the franchise in a pool round match.
It is a commonplace of sporting commentary to point out that ‘record are made to be broken’. But there is a pyschological drag when teams believe that there is a hoodoo on producing a certain result that has eluded them over a long period of time. Ask the NSW State of Origin players about this, or the All Blacks before last season’s RWC tournament.
The Brumbies played somewhat nervously for most of the matches knowing that a win virtually quarantees them the Australian Conference. In the end they won by only four points, 19 – 15 and by scoring only one try against the two scored by the Waratahs.
But they seemed to have the Waratahs well in hand, even when the Waratahs took the lead. When the Brumbies absolutely needed points, they scored them. They were much stronger, too, than the Waratahs in the last 20 minutes when the home side, as it has for most of the season, virtually ran out of gas.
The main worry about the Brumbies is that they lack any special players or X-factor players. This may explain their poor record against the top sides in the 2012 tournament. And the fact is that where the Stormers have lost only two matches and the Chiefs three, the Brumbies have lost five times which seems like a lot for a team that is aiming to win the entire tournament.
These five losses are put into context when it is considered that the Reds, too, have lost five matches. The Brumbies have picked up 10 bonus points (BPs). The Reds only 5 BPs.
Of the eight teams with a mathematical chance of making the finals, only the Stormers with 2 BPs have a smaller collection than the Reds.
The loss of Quade Cooper for most of the season explains the small collection of BPs by the Reds. On Saturday, too, Cooper showed against the Highlanders why with him in the side the Reds, if they somehow contrive to make the finals, could go much further into them than the Brumbies.
In finals, you need the big plays and the big match players. The Brumbies don’t really have any of these players. Cooper is a big match player, as he showed last season when he virtually won the Super Rugby championship for his team with a series of brilliant matches at the championship end of the season.
However, all of this is in the realm of speculation and fearless prediction.
What we do know is that the Brumbies need to defeat the Blues at Canberra to go into the finals with good momentum. The Blues showed some glimpses of attacking play against the Force. But their season, like the season of the Waratahs, has been blighted by an inability of the team to play with any coherence and certainty.
Both teams are poorly coached, and – in my opinion – not as fit aerobically as they should be. Players make mistakes when they crack under pressure. The pressure is intensified if the players have also run out of gas. It becomes unbearable when the players don’t have plans and systems to cope with the pressure points that come up for every team in a game.
This is a roundabout way of saying that the Waratahs and the Blues are poorly coached this season, and for the last few seasons. This time span covers Pat Lam at the Blues and Michael Foley at the Waratahs, as an assistant coach and head coach this season.
The Blues supporters at least have the comfort of knowing that Lam will be going at the end of this season. But the Waratahs board, without really much of an effort to sound out other possibilities, have allowed Foley to stay on for another year. This is despite the fact that while the June Tests were on and with a bye the Waratahs had something like five or six weeks to prepare for the match against the Brumbies.
The halves, Grayson Hart and Bernard Foley were an improvement on earlier pairing this season. But there was still the emperor penguin stance by Hart as he waited for seconds behind a ruck for the forwards to line up and then be knocked over like nine-pins by the waiting Brumbies tacklers. Greg Growden has improved on my emperor penguin metaphor by calling the play a meerkat stance (gold).
The Sunday Telegraph published some useful statistics of the game which give us broad hints as to why the Waratahs have exceeded expectations in their number of losses and the Brumbies in their number of wins:
Brumbies won only 39 per cent of possession compared with 61 per cent to the Waratahs. But they made 70 runs for 392m to the 117 runs for 618m by the Waratahs. The Brumbies kicked 23 times for 761m (average 33m) against the Waratahs 16 kicks for 396m (25).
The Brumbies missed 25 tackles and made 12 turnovers and conceded 13 penalties to the Waratahs 14 missed tackles, 18 turnovers and 7 penalties conceded.
In other words, the Waratahs beat the Brumbies on most of the statistics with the exception of the vital one, the result.
All this raises the fascinating question: what would have happened to these two teams if Jake White had coached the Waratahs and Michael Foley the Brumbies.
My guess is that both coaches would be in the same position they are in now, with White coaching a team going into the finals and Foley coaching a side that has recorded its worst losing season ever.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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July 9th 2012 @ 6:14am
The Grafter said | July 9th 2012 @ 6:14am | Report comment
Massive queries on the Chiefs after the weekend Spiro. Their set pieces were found out by the Crusdasers who if Read and Carter stay fit, are a huge chance to go one further than last year.
July 9th 2012 @ 6:49am
Justin2 said | July 9th 2012 @ 6:49am | Report comment
Crusaders scrum was lucky not to be penalized often. The loose heads continually boring in yet never picked up.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:06am
apelu said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
True Justin. The Crusaders always seem to be able to get away with lots of things other teams are penalised for. And they were awarded a try that should not have been awarded; don’t know what the TMO was seeing.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:07am
Red Kev said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
Well it was Bryce Lawrence so he probably wasn’t watching the replays…
July 9th 2012 @ 9:17am
John Doe said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Double movements cant’ be ruled on by TMO. Lawrence is by no measn perfect, but this time all he had to rule on was the grounding over the line.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:25am
Red Kev said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
I would be interested to see the TMO guidelines for that, but I still think you’re wrong.
The ball was clearly grounded short of the line. Then there was an attempt to push the ball forward (the place the ball that would result in a try) again this was clearly held short. Then he was shoved over the line.
The question asked was “Try, No Try”
All Lawrence had to do was say “No Try”
July 9th 2012 @ 9:31am
Riccardo said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Rennie, when interviewed on Radiosport over here, was asked to assess Ellis’ try.
His comment was that initially in real time he assessed it as legitimate. He added that after seeing the replay he was not so sure but that he has seen them given and not given under similar circumstances and that the real reason they lost related to the set-piece errors in the first half anyway.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:36am
John Doe said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
RK: Lyndon Bray on Radiosport stated that yes, it shouldn’t have been a try, based on the replay, but that neither Steve Walsh nor the TMO could rule anything else based on the current guidelines. Basically he said yup, stupid, but that’s how it is.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:43am
Red Kev said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Fair enough JD, but we’ve seen rulings during the last two seasons where the TMO ruled on things he wasn’t supposed to in the interest of fairness – because the evidence is there.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:07am
Sylvester said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
The slo-mo didn’t help. In real time, Whitelock’s arrival was almost within a split second.
I’m still not convinced it’s not a try. I don’t think Ellis promoted the ball himself and Kerr-Barlow’s arm prevented him from releasing it.
July 10th 2012 @ 7:08am
Jerry said | July 10th 2012 @ 7:08am | Report comment
TMO’s can rule on ‘double movements’ realistically. The laws allow for consultation in respect of the scoring of a try where there has possibly been foul play in-goal. If a player doesn’t play the ball immediately (remember, ‘double movement’ isn’t actually mentioned in the laws) and then reaches over the line to score, then at least part of the foul has occurred in goal.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:45am
soapit said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
game was pretty much a lottery with the refereeing.
July 9th 2012 @ 7:24am
Riccardo said | July 9th 2012 @ 7:24am | Report comment
“In other words, the Waratahs beat the Brumbies on most of the statistics with the exception of the vital one, the result.”
Spot on Spiro. Another masterclass in mediocrity from the Tahs. They continue to suck. The Tahs had the winning of this game and Foley’s position is now untenable. As you say at least my Blues are starting to address their issues although one can only hope that this redress spreads to the nepotism that drives the Blues’ entitlement culture. As a concession I would venture that the injured roster at the Blues negates the similarity at these franchises somewhat.
Grafter, your concern is understandable and it is true that the Chiefs’ finals experience is limited. However, I read a post by Kuruki that pretty much addresses your concerns. He highlighted the fact that Kane Thompson, Craig Clarke, Ben Afeaki were missing & that changes the whole dynamic of the forward pack and I agree. The Chiefs had the wood on the Crusdaders in their last meeting but without these guys their set-piece was appalling and they lost this game in the 1st 20 minutes IMO. It is to their credit that they improved enough to be still fighting for a draw in the last minute and they will be stronger in the finals for the experience.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:52am
Jutsie said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
The tahs have had their fair share of departures/injuries to key players this year so I’m not sure how the “Blues injury roster negates the similarity at these franchises”.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:12am
Riccardo said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
From memory: Jerome Kaino, Charles Faumuina, Isaia Toeava, Kevin Mealamu, Rudi Wolf, Anthony Boric, Benson Stanley, Brad Mika have all been injured, are injured or gone for the season. Tony Woodcock and Ma’a Nonu didn’t join the squad till well into the competition either. At least 8 of these names are current or former All Blacks and would waltz into most Test sides around the world, let alone Super franchises, and it is reasonable to assume their absence is detrimental.
Frankly Jutsie, the lack of depth in the Blues’ squad is their own doing and their problem. Like the Tahs there is also a problem with the culture as well as coaching. Only one of them is being addressed for the Blues and the other may well depend on who is the next coach.
Personally, I think BOTH organisations would benefit from a hatchet through the administration as much as attention to recruitment but apparently new lows need to be plumbed before this is likely which is a shame.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:22am
Jutsie said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
Im not disputing anything you said in this last comment but I fail to see how the tahs list of injuries/departures have had any less of an impact. But like you have said regarding the blues lack of depth, the tahs have also not worked on developing new talent enough, the fact that hart was only given a game in the 2nd last round and looked more impressive than mckibbin or pretorius have all season is an indictment on the tahs management.
For comparisions worth the tahs list of players out for significant chunks of the season or departed from memory are
-mtichell
-turner
-elsom
-vickerman
-fitzpatrick
-mucutcheon
-alcock
-burgess
-beale
Add to that players who had niggling injuries and were underdone for a number of games
-palu
-robinson (he still hasnt come anywhere close to his pre ACL injury form)
-Foley
July 9th 2012 @ 2:26pm
formeropenside said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Elsom and Vickerman were known injuries, and Palu has not been fit since 2009.
July 15th 2012 @ 9:47pm
dan said | July 15th 2012 @ 9:47pm | Report comment
so beale and burgess do not play for the tahs there champion, but u were talking about last year right? sort it out mate
July 9th 2012 @ 7:56am
Sailosi said | July 9th 2012 @ 7:56am | Report comment
After watching the goings on at the tahs it just seems to me they have not grasped the concept of running a professional sporting organisation. I still get the feeling that they think professionalism is hiring a strength and conditioning coach and running around at training with a gps on your back.
They need a complete clean out from top to bottom, in head office, marketing, coaching, recruitment and list management. I saw some suggestions yesterday about Dave Dennis for captain, that would be brilliant. He could lead them to a title. They’re at 2 or 3 year away from challenging for the title so players such as AAC, Palu should be let go. They are not going to be part of the premiership winning side so they should be developing going players who will be. Turner and Robinson should be told to pack their bags. I would love for them to bring in somebody from the AFL to direct them in list management. The plating roster is so stale but unfortunately this will never change. At least until they go bankrupt.
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July 9th 2012 @ 8:41am
Shaun said | July 9th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Occasionally enjoy your insight into rugby but your absurd comment that the bulls accusations were a stunt is absolutely ridiculous and just goes to prove your bias in anything that involves a South African team. It’s actually disgraceful!
All this does is reduce your opinion to drivel…
Just because nothing coud be found on camera doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You’d be lying if said you’d react the same way had it been a Crusader/aussie making the same accusation and the bulls being found not guilty…common on Spiro try and deny it!!!! We all know your self righteous self would be shouting from the roartops of how dirty the saffas are…blah blah
I personally know Ralepelle as an honest young man with integrity of the highest order. So I have no doubt that if complained of a finger in the eye that it definitely happened. Whether that finger was intentional or not is something completely different and definitely possible.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:10am
WQ said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Shaun, it is not just Spiro that thinks that it was a stunt!
July 9th 2012 @ 9:28am
Shaun said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Well I’d say the same to anyone….what if the shoe was on the other foot?
In life…just because no evidence is found, doesn’t mean a crime wasn’t committed.
Being blinded by provincialism/patriotism is pretty sad…
All I can go off is a man’s character…and in Ralepelle’s instance it is beyond reproach
July 9th 2012 @ 11:48am
Touko said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
Yeah, well probably if Ralepelle is beyond reproach then it means one of his teammates got him in the eye when he was aiming for a Crusader.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:10pm
Kuruki said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
When you make accusations you better back that shyt up. They could not and there was nothing on any of the many cameras. Were there any doctors reports presented by the Bulls? Did the players receive treatment for it?
July 9th 2012 @ 1:39pm
Shaun said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
OK…so running with that thought…when a woman is raped but no evidence is found then it didn’t happen…right…yeah ok.
Anyway…just came to me…Zavos’s reasoning that it somehow had something to do with the Crusaders momentum loss is ridiculous. No one got punished, it got placed on ‘report’ and the game went on.
I bet if Pocock or McCaw claimed to have been eye gauged you’d believe it right, even if nothing is caught on camera
Grow up please!
July 9th 2012 @ 2:39pm
Dan said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
inappropriate
July 9th 2012 @ 3:21pm
biltongbek said | July 9th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
Yeah, we are pretty much the “thugs” of rugby, no use denying it.
July 9th 2012 @ 3:33pm
Riccardo said | July 9th 2012 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
Great selfless humour Biltongbek.
You would have been within your rights to have a go.
The really funny thing is that the time is coming soon where the Boks will dismantle all in front of them provided Meyer continues down the path of change, which will be good for rugby.
Not sure Dan will be so verbose then.
July 9th 2012 @ 3:44pm
biltongbek said | July 9th 2012 @ 3:44pm | Report comment
Riccardo I have long since learned there are a few perceptions about the BOks that is not worth arguing about.
We are thugs
We kick to much
We play anti rugby
We are predictabble ( I actually agree with this one)
July 9th 2012 @ 4:21pm
jeznez said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:21pm | Report comment
biltong, classy response.
Dan – wow, just wow – ps it was 87…..
July 9th 2012 @ 4:34pm
Red Kev said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
You know I’ve been disappointed in that the boks haven’t really put forward a decent thug since AJ Venter left. Bakkies Botha looked like a thug but came off as a decent guy when I saw him spoken to on camera. Butch James tried hard with his no-arms-tackling style but he’s a bit of a pussyfoot in reality.
Bring back the rugby villain I say.
July 9th 2012 @ 4:40pm
biltongbek said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
Red Kev, come on mate don’t go against the grain here now.
Bakkies was a decent thug, have you forgotten all about justice4bakkies, the head butt on Cowan, granted in 70 odd test matches he could have done more, but he wasn’t that clean.
Butch was never a thug, his tackling technique was more a case of no upper body strength and wasn’t sure he could hold anyone in a tackle.
Besides, Bismarck and his boet Jannie is trying.
July 9th 2012 @ 3:33pm
Shaun said | July 9th 2012 @ 3:33pm | Report comment
95 food poisoning, do you have PROOF…? So obviously that didn’t happen, well that would be your reason just like the bulls don’t have proof.
All I was saying was that Spiros’s absurd notion of this being a “worst stunt” in Super rugby history is pathetic, knowing fully that if the shoe was on the other foot the accusation without proof would have been enough to condemn the bulls of eye gauging… so get over yourelf.
I’m not the one throwing accusations around and being a tart.
July 9th 2012 @ 3:46pm
Shaun said | July 9th 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
Biltongbek…I have to agree, we’ve had some dirty buggers playing for the boks. However I could pick a few dirty ones from every international team too.
July 9th 2012 @ 4:03pm
biltongbek said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
Shaun, true, but we sweep that under the carpet mate. Don’t bother yourself with it, everytime another nation’s players commits an act of foul play I just act surprised,
It helps to keep the farce going.
July 9th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Shaun said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
@ Biltongbek – You are a funny man!
I usually don’t argue with stupidity but just couldn’t help myself today
July 9th 2012 @ 7:33pm
Sprigs said | July 9th 2012 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
Does this kind of a post from Dan take us anywhere except down?
If a moderator can ban swearing, why not this kind of stuff?
July 9th 2012 @ 8:57am
Will Sinclair said | July 9th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
When the Waratahs hit the lead in the late stages of the game, I texted any who would listen “They’ll find a way to lose this”.
And sure enough, they did.
Agree with Spiro 100% on the aerobic fitness point, but I also think the Waratahs are VERY low on confidence, while the Brumbies are very high on confidence. And it showed in the latter stages of the game.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:00am
Gormon Kinchley said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Shaun, methinks you protest too much.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:41pm
Shaun said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
I just don’t like it when people write drivel because they have a bias. By doing this Spiro is attacking the character of someone I know personally. So I have every right to protest and stand up for what I believe
July 9th 2012 @ 5:43pm
danuk said | July 9th 2012 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
Gormon, me thinks Spiro was the one who started …
Then again he does protest against anything South African
July 9th 2012 @ 5:43pm
danuk said | July 9th 2012 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
except Jake White ironically …
July 9th 2012 @ 5:47pm
biltongbek said | July 9th 2012 @ 5:47pm | Report comment
Wait until White fails one season.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:25am
Elisha Pearce said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Dean Mumm’s 94 game career at the Waratahs finished on the weekend. His final act? A knock on. That about sums it up.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:26am
sheek said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Spiro,
You yourself said it, if the Brumbies line-up against the Sharks in a semi-final, the Brumbies will be playing a side that “have the sort of team that could go deep into the finals with their power pack and hard running backs”.
The best thing the Brumbies have going for them is coach Jake White, who apart from being a very canny coach, understands the Saffies mentality & players.
The Brumbies have made the play-offs by sticking to the basics, playing within themselves. But finals football requires you to suddenly have an extra bow or two to your game. I would be surprised, no shocked, if the Brumbies make it to the final by continuing to play their same brqnd of rugby from the home & away season.
I recall a much superior Reds outfit (to the current Brumbies) back in 1996 (the inaugural season) being blown away at home by a ‘blitzkrieg’ attack from the Sharks. The Reds had adopted a ‘steady as you go’ attitude, but suddenly it was no longer enough.
Of course, there’s always the possibility I could be wr… wr… wr… not right!
July 9th 2012 @ 9:49am
soapit said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
brumbies will be at home as well which will improve their chances a lot.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:39am
Rob from Brumby Country said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Didn’t do us much good in round 6…
But that’s okay. The thing about this Brumbies side is that I always feel like they will give themselves a chance to win. That’s an important knack to have when you don’t have any x-factor players.
July 9th 2012 @ 4:19pm
jeznez said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
Spot on Rob – the Sharks were good that day. I thought Vaea had a screamer of a running game against them that nearly brought your lads back into it but he really was under-used in that match as he has been all season.
July 9th 2012 @ 4:33pm
Markus said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:33pm | Report comment
As I remember, two or three of the Sharks four tries were completely against the run of play.
Some fantastic finishing on their part to capitalise no doubt, but each time the Brumbies were looking to come away with at least three points, and in at least one case it was a 14-point turnaround.
July 9th 2012 @ 4:34pm
Jutsie said | July 9th 2012 @ 4:34pm | Report comment
No shame in losing that game, was one of the most entertaining games of the year
July 9th 2012 @ 9:57am
Markus said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
A very good observation.
With the squad they put together, inexperience and depth were going to be the two biggest risks to the Brumbies this season. Jake countered both of these by spending the offseason hammering the entire squad with fitness and mastering of the basics.
And after picking up injuries to most of their key attacking X-factors (Coleman, Tomane, Auelua, Lealifano then Toomua), White’s obsession with those those two factors has been the difference between staying on course and them falling away at the business end of the season.
While I have been extremely impressed, I would also be surprised if this is enough to take them all the way.
This year, at least.
July 9th 2012 @ 12:19pm
bmwwilliams said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Markus, seeing that list makes me all the more impressed at the Brumbies’ current table position.
The Reds’ fanboys have been carrying on about how their team has potential to go further in the finals (Likely correct, but will probably be academic now) – But fair play to the Brums for their performance this year.
Doing as well as they have with third-stringers of what was an already inexperienced side is remarkable, especially considering how they went last year.
July 9th 2012 @ 12:27pm
Red Kev said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
Nah the Brumbies haven’t beaten any of the sides with the potential to make the finals except the Hurricanes (who let’s face it are even less likely than the Reds to make the top six). The Brubmies won’t make it past week one of the finals – but (and this is a big but) them even making the finals after their performance last year is impressive and they should count it a win.
July 9th 2012 @ 1:08pm
bmwwilliams said | July 9th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Agreed RK.
I wouldn’t expect them to go far in the finals, but even getting there should be considered a massive win for the franchise.
Think we have to remember the difference in context between the Reds’ and Brums’ seasons. They were certainly shooting for different goals on day one, so for the Brums to outperform the reds in an absolute sense is impressive.
July 9th 2012 @ 2:48pm
Rob from Brumby Country said | July 9th 2012 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
Maybe, RK, but those losses to the Chiefs and Bulls could, would, and should have been wins. The Brumbies aren’t exactly helpless.
Not sure I’d pick them to beat the Stormers in Cape Town, but I wouldn’t call the Sharks certainties at Bruce Stadium either.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:07pm
apelu said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:07pm | Report comment
You do have a point there Sheek. The Reds topped the ladder that year and Sharks (Natal then) sneaked in ahead of the Brumbies despite the Brumbies winning more games. They totally surprised the Reds in the semi, but could not repeat it against the Blues.
I think the Natal then was a much better side than the current Sharks, who lost to the Lions a few weeks ago. Yes, they beat the Brumbies early, but from what i saw, they capitalised on the Brumbies mistakes. The Brumbies have been learning and continue to improve, and learning how to win, as last weekend showed. I think they are confident in their system.
Players with x-factor qualities? I think the combination of Speight, Mogg, Holmes and Coleman may do something special. I think Coleman is a special player. There is also Hooper, and Tomane will be back. McCabe offers a calming hand, and Nick White might surprise us. They are finals games, and there is no tomorrow if they lose. Jake White has won tournaments, big ones, in fact, and he knows how to prepare teams to win tournaments. I am quietly confident the Brumbies will continue to confound the unbelievers.
July 9th 2012 @ 9:50am
Team Taniwha said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Chiefs need to get bonus win to escure home spot to be any chance IMO. Crusadrs looking ominous, but Read and Carters fitness imperative to their chances. Fact that they will probably have to travel to SA at sme stage makes things a lot tougher for them the Chiefs (provided Chiefs finish top).
July 9th 2012 @ 10:52am
justsaying said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
Remember though that even if the Chiefs place 2nd they will only have to travel if the Stormers make the final. That’s far from a done deal…
July 9th 2012 @ 9:55am
bennalong said | July 9th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
I agree Sheek,
As I said to David Lord’s piece, you can contrast the bitter criticism of the Tahs, a team that rightly or wrongly has attracted the worst criticism of any major sporting team in the country, with Spiros take on the Bumbies ‘win’, which they did NOT deserve.
The Tahs made errors based on their desire to change their game plan for their critics. They didn’t kick for territory when they should have and they didn’t take penalty shots which could have taken the wind out of the Brumbies sails and changed the result
I don’t have to join the criticism of the Tahs, who were blooding two new halves and playing two players recently returned from injury, giving them mitigating circumstances which should have seen them flogged by the conference leaders.
But again rightly or wrongly, the resurrection of the Brumbies by Jake White sees them being treated as sweethearts with no intelligent criticism of their poor game on Saturday
This is reminiscent of the sweetheart treatment given the Reds after they played pathetically early in the season
Give the players at the Tahs a break. They’re often mcompared to the Blues but they have lost by small margins and do not deserved to be dismissed when they still play for their national team and win
July 9th 2012 @ 10:24am
Markus said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
I fail to see how they did not deserve the win. Their defense was huge, they were more effective with their possession, and despite having several terrible decisions go against them when 5m out from the Tahs line, still scored more points.
The Tahs have been making poor tactical decisions all year, so your excuse that it was to appease their critics does not fly.
Regarding your claim that the Brumbies are being treated as sweethearts by the media, it’s tough to provide scathing criticism for a team who most were tipping to finish bottom of the Aus conference, and who many journos are still expecting the wheels to fall off at any second.
To put their ugly win on the weekend in perspective, you do have to consider that even a golden era Brumbies team of Gregan Larkham Roff Smith etc only managed the feat once in their careers.
July 9th 2012 @ 11:32am
bennalong said | July 9th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Markus,
Fair criticism is what I’m asking for
In another blog I pointed out how pleased I was to see the Brums back on top.
We’re talking here about two teams with entirely different objectives. The Tahs were launching a new backline with nothing to play for but pride. The Brums were playing to retain their top spot on the table.
Don’t you think it a might strange that the emphasis on the Roar is about bagging the team that’s down when the conference leaders performance was below expectations because they were dominated in so many areas.?
Fair Go!
July 9th 2012 @ 12:05pm
Markus said | July 9th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
It’s tough to say though. While the performance was below their own expectation and definitely below their previous performances, many journos see it as exceeding the zero expectation they still hold for this team.
For Sydney journos, the Brumbies success is a sideshow. The Tahs are considered more of a legitimate team, even when not performing, which is why the level of expectation, and scrutiny, is higher from said journos.
July 9th 2012 @ 10:59am
formeropenside said | July 9th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
but they should not be playing for the Wallabies in the first place. We should have thumped the Welsh: we didn’t.