Picking a NSW Origin team for 2013
By jamesb, 10 Jul 2012 jamesb is a Roar Guru
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- Mitchell Pearce, NRL, NSW Blues, Ricky Stuart, Rugby League, State Of Origin, Todd Carney
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Queensland winning seven series in a row has obviously meant that NSW may need to make a couple of changes if they are to stop Queensland’s dominance in 2013.
Looking back at the deciding game, I still couldn’t believe NSW coach Ricky Stuart selected four backrowers on the bench in Ben Creagh, Tony Williams, Anthony Watmough and Luke Lewis.
What was more bizarre was that Stuart was trying to manufacture Creagh into a prop forward.
Throughout this Origin series, I struggled to come to comprehend as to why Creagh was picked for NSW in the first place. Creagh’s form for the St. George-Illawarra Dragons has been down, plus he is a backrower who likes to play on the edge, not a hard hitting front rower who plays tight in the middle.
If Stuart is still the coach of NSW next year, I hope he picks at least one prop forward on the bench in each of the Origin games. Perhaps Stuart should give a call to Aiden Tolman, Aaron Woods, Keith Galloway, Tim Mannah, Trent Merrin or Michael Weyman. I’m sure one or two of those front rowers would be more than able back up for the starting front row of James Tamou and Tim Grant.
The two games that NSW lost in this series, the common denominator was on both occasions, NSW had two specialist front rowers. In the first game, Gallen started at prop with Trent Merrin on the bench. The backrowers meanwhile, is where NSW are strongest with Bird, Gallen and Glenn Stewart in the starting pack, with Lewis and Watmough coming off the bench
Tony Williams, used for his impact off the bench, could face competition next year with Tariq Sims coming back from injury. Many NSW fans would like to see both of them in the side. However, it could be a case where both of those players are fighting for the same spot. At this stage I go with T-Rex.
Although if any halves don’t come through for NSW, there is the option of putting either Bird or Glenn Stewart at five-eighth and putting T-Rex in the starting pack. You could then bring in Sims on the bench.
Robbie Farah should remain as hooker, although NSW might start to struggle for hooking options. Michael Ennis and Ryan Hinchhcliffe are well into their late twenties and sooner or later NSW will have to look into any young hookers coming through.
It may not be an issue for a year or two, but hopefully in the next couple of years, we may start seeing some young NSW hookers making the grade. Maybe a Mitch Rein or Cameron King. Interestingly, both are from the Dragons.
The backline should be similar, although there is a slight chance Brett Stewart could leave Manly and the NRL, which may open the door for Canberra’s Josh Dugan, or to shift Hayne to fullback. The Morris boys, Brett and Josh should still be there, as both were outstanding in the final Origin game.
Josh had a brilliant Origin series. His containment of Inglis in Origins I and II was a highlight. Akuila Uate can come back in the side, but he needs to work on a couple of things.
If a bomb comes near his direction, Uate should be more assertive by telling his fullback that it is his ball, and therefore not letting the ball bounce. While in defence, he needs to trust his centre partner more. He was exposed in Origin I, which allowed Darius Boyd to score two tries.
Moving through the backline, Michael Jennings is a very gifted centre. Every time he touches the ball he does look dangerous. However only attitude, not ability could stand in his way of returning to the NSW side. Let’s hope Jennings doesn’t spend much time playing for the Windsor Wolves.
Chris Lawrence could come into contention, while the forgotten man Jamal Idris needs a big twelve months to force his way into the side.
Finally, Jarryd Hayne is Jarryd Hayne. He may not be in the best of form at Parramtta, but when he pulls on the NSW jumper he always performs. He is an X-factor.
There could be a consideration for Hayne to play five-eighth if any halves from NSW don’t come up to speed in the next ten to twelve months. The halves partnership of Todd Carney and Mitchell in Origin III left a lot to be desired.
Their kicking game was awful throughout the series. In the last game, they kept finding Greg Inglis on the full on most occasions, and with it Inglis would always have Queensland in great field position. The Maroons would start their sets at 30 to 40 metres from the Queensland tryline on a regular basis.
Of the two halves, Pearce has copped the most flak. The reason is that Pearce has been there for nine matches. By now, you would think that he would come into his own. Unfortunately his development at halfback has gone backwards. He lacks creativity, and doesn’t threaten the line at all. He can also be found wanting in defence.
His partner, Carney isn’t too flash in defence either, but in some ways Carney escaped a lot of criticism simply because it was his debut series. Carney at club level does possess the creativity to unlock defences, while his kicking game for Cronulla has been terrific this year. Carney is slowly getting back to the sort of form that won him the Dally M a couple of years ago.
What Carney needs to do now is to translate that into the Origin arena next year. If he does that, NSW will be hard to beat. He, along with Hayne are the two players in the backline where on their day could break the game open. Something which Pearce at this stage is unable to do.
Pearce will have competition to keep his spot from the likes of James Maloney, Jarrod Mullen and Peter Wallace. Some have suggested that the two Reynolds boys, Josh and Adam (not related) could be up for consideration, but in my opinion they are probably another year or two away.
I probably go for Maloney at this point in time. His form leading into the Warriors charge to the grand final last year was superb. If Maloney gets back to that sort of form, he will come under strong consideration for NSW.
Both Maloney and Carney play five-eighth at NRL level. Carney has played a bit of halfback, so I would switch Carney to halfback. Then again, when he played halfback for Cronulla earlier in the year, he wasn’t effective. It does go to show that NSW don’t have many options at halfback.
If NSW are after a utility player, Josh Reynolds could fill the void (if he’s ready). In first grade he has played at hooker and five-eighth. Speaking of utility players, some reckon that Kurt Gidley was missed in this past series for NSW. However I think NSW should by pass Gidley and look for more younger options. Gidley has been injury prone the last couple of years.
My side for 2013
1. B.Stewart
2. B.Morris
3. J.Morris
4. M.Jennings
5. J.Hayne
6. J.Maloney
7. T.Carney
13. P.Gallen (c)
12. G.Stewart
11. G.Bird
10. J.Tamou
9. R.Farah
8. T.Grant
Reserves:
14. A.Woods
15. A.Watmough
16. L.Lewis
17. T.Willaims
Other players that will go close, Akuila Uate, Chris Lawrence, Josh Dugan, Tariq Sims, Trent Merrin, Josh Reynolds, Jarrod Mullen and Wade Graham. As always form and injury will dictate. It may well be a different side.
Since the decider, stories have been doing the rounds that Cameron Smith and Paul Gallen shared a drink after the game.
Gallen: “So Cam, is that a lemonade your drinking?”
Smith: ”Nah mate, it’s 7up.”
The jokes on NSW must end in 2013
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July 10th 2012 @ 4:05am
Knight Vision said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:05am | Report comment
I agree that Pearce has got to go, he offered nothing in attack by the way of taking on the line and his kicking game was off, forgetting the long kicking game even the short kicking game was non existent – the perfect example was the lack of forced goal line drop outs during the series. I would bring in Wallace he has been there before knows the pressure of the big games and has the maturity to pull it off. He has a great short kicking game to build the pressure that we so lacked this series , he’s no Joey Johns but Pearce isn’t either and never will be, he is and will remain a very good NRL player. Mullen hasn’t the mental strength to handle a game as big as a SOO in a half back role and direct a team forward and around the park, and as Uncle Wayne has said he isn’t a halfback – end of story, if Carney was ruled out I would consider him at 5/8 . Although Morris had a corker on the wing I think he lacks the x factor that Uate brings to the team. Give Uate a sliver of daylight and its game over, this year he lacked confidence. he will be back. Stuart is all class and i would leave him at the back , Dugan is young and perhaps if he can remain injury free his time will one day come but not yet, he would be better suited to be eased in with an established team that has already won a series. With the forwards I would love to see Sims in there somewhere, I’m a Watmough and Lewis fan they have runs on the board over many seasons – form is fleeting but class is permanent, Williams will have to convince me next year also i think Watmough would be pushing 30 next year ? so perhaps a look at a succession plan and bring in Sims ? – he is class and I have no doubt will come back from his injury well next year but then again Watmough would more than do the job , however if Williams isn’t up to it bring in Simms .The only change I would make to the team would be bring in Woods for some more mongrel , Wallace for a better direction and bring back Uate for some spark. The Marons know its coming hope they enjoyed their win because next year they will know how I’ve felt the last 7 years.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:29am
Matt said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
I’ve been watching Canberra’s games recently, Robinson has made a killing in the fullback role. Du-who?
Williams is good but they have to use him as a runner not as a sledge hammer.
Morris twins are solid in defence + attack. Much better than Uate & Hayne (yes they can spark, but they’re also a lot riskier).
Put Uate on the wing though if you want, good for QLD. I can’t remember the combo a year or two ago, it was Tahu & someone (maybe Hayne). They sucked so bad, it was great. Constantly gaps on that side.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:10am
The Barry said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
I’ve been working on a similar article which I might leave for a few days now.
We definitely need another prop – QLD play with four, we’re going in with two. Woods and Tolman are both good options – they are both workers which would contrast the ‘mongrel’ of Tamou and Grant nicely.
NSW need to decide who their best backrow out of Lewis, Gallen, Bird, Stewart, Watmough, etc. I really don’t see the point of having Scott play 46 minutes and Lewis 34. Other than the props the bench needs to be selected a bit more strategically for impact. Guys like Sims, Williams and Mateo that offer something different off the bench rather than the same old workhorse – regardless of how good they are.
Pearce was poor but is there really anyone kicking the door down to demand selection ? Wallace is a solid player but is he the sort that will take an Origin game by the scruff of the neck ? That seems to be what Pearce and Carney have been most criticised for. Is a series with two home games at Suncorp the place to be blooding a new halfback ?
I’ll be keeping an eye on Adam Reynolds from Souths. His first test will be leading Souths through the back half of the season into the semis. Souths have only played semis once since 1989 and have a history of imploding. Second test will be how he handles the pressure in the big games at the end of the year. Third test will be how he starts next year – his second year of first grade.
If he comes through those we may have an Origin half on our hands.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:25am
Matt said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Reynolds is too new. It might work – play the players in form. In general though there’s a ton of players who are on fire one season, then average the next, too early to really say how he’ll go. If the team is playing well it’s also easier to play well yourself.
And I was worried NSW might get a field goal right at the end. HA. Sharks vs Roosters game was classic.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:21am
Matt said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
This line up might do the trick:
Greg Inglis, Darius Boyd, Dane Nielsen, Justin Hodges, Brent Tate, Jonathan Thurston, Cooper Cronk, Matt Scott, Cameron Smith, Petero Civoniceva, Nate Myles, Sam Thaiday, Corey Parker, Matt Gillett, Dave Taylor, Ben Hannant, David Shillington
July 10th 2012 @ 9:09am
Jake said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:09am | Report comment
My side for 2013
1. B.Stewart
2. B.Morris
3. J.Morris
4. M.Jennings
5. J.Hayne
6. T.Carney
7. Reynolds (don’t know which one though lol)
13. P.Gallen (c)
12. G.Stewart
11. B.Creagh
10. J.Tamou
9. R.Farah
8. T.Grant
Reserves:
14. A.Woods
15. A.Watmough
16. L.Lewis
17. T.Willaims or T.Sims
I really Like your line up Jamesb and also agree that we may need to consider a new halfback. I never thought highly of Pearce and that he only got picked due to reputation from his old man. I had always preferred Mullen but Ricky said that Mullen is not a halfback player and would not consider him. The way both Reynolds boys have been ripping it up this has been very impressive and they are both rising superstars that have unlimited potential at the present time. If I were part of the NSW selectors I would be keeping a close eye on both Reynolds, Pearce, Maloney and Wallace for the rest of this season and start of next and I would pick the one that has displayed the best performance all round and who makes the biggest impact on the field, if the NSW selectors did that then I think in the end on of the Reynolds boys would get selected. Now I do agree it might be too soon for them to play rep footy but I also think that rep footy could be perfect for them to reach their full potential. The sooner you introduce them to that level the sooner we will see their best performance for us at that level, Remember Freddy Fittler was selected after just one season of playing first grade and look at what a superstar he turned out to be! as for the forwards, I agree that Ben Creagh should not have been an impact player, he needs to be playing on that edge but I also don’t rate Greg Bird, he is a great forward but i believe it would be better for us if you chucked Benny Creagh in Second row on the edge, he can be used an extra playmaker when we need it he has made big impact in doing that plus with his speed and strength I believe he is the better man for the job. Adam Woods would be great in the side too. I think he really would help in bruising up and tiring down that massive QLD forward line up.
I believe that is the side they should go with in 2013 BUT I also believe they shouldn’t be quick to axe Pearce and watch him for the rest of this season and compare him to other potential halfbacks, give him another chance to prove to us New South Welshmen that he wasn’t picked on reputation and that he is the man for the job.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:49pm
cwrigh13 said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:49pm | Report comment
Great article. Pearce has to go. Peter Wallace has to be his obvious replacement.
August 31st 2012 @ 5:19pm
Brett said | August 31st 2012 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
My team
1. Brett Stewart ( one word…….PERFECT a true tryscorer and the best fullback)
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Micheal Jennings
4. Josh Morris (jamie lyon if he decides to play) or Timana Tahu
5. Akuila Uate (give him a chance and he will work on his defence)
6. Todd Carney
7. Jamie Soward
8. Willie Mason (the best front rower of th year so far)
9. Robbie Farah or Danny Buderus
10. James Tamou
11 Anthony Watemough
12 Greg Bird
13 Paul Gallen c
14 Kurt Gidley
15 TREX
16 Feleti Mateo (PLEASE CHOOSE THIS GUY)
17 Luke Lewis
18 Glenn Stewart
19 Jamal Idris
August 31st 2012 @ 5:19pm
Brett said | August 31st 2012 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
My team
1. Brett Stewart ( one word…….PERFECT a true tryscorer and the best fullback)
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Micheal Jennings
4. Josh Morris (jamie lyon if he decides to play) or Timana Tahu
5. Akuila Uate (give him a chance and he will work on his defence)
6. Todd Carney
7. Jamie Soward
8. Willie Mason (the best front rower of th year so far)
9. Robbie Farah or Danny Buderus
10. James Tamou
11 Anthony Watemough
12 Greg Bird
13 Paul Gallen c
14 Kurt Gidley
15 TREX
16 Feleti Mateo (PLEASE CHOOSE THIS GUY)
17 Luke Lewis
18 Glenn Stewart
19 Jamal Idris
September 17th 2012 @ 8:49pm
Jamie said | September 17th 2012 @ 8:49pm | Report comment
Wow….worst selection for a NSW Origin team I have seen yet. Willie Mason? Are you serious? Jamie Soward at 7? Can you please explain this because I am stunned.
October 10th 2012 @ 4:00pm
Brett said | October 10th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
My team that i chose has 1 thing that NSW has mainly always lacked….SIZE. Willie Mason has been one of the top forward performs this year since his return, wether u love or hate hime he always raises for origin. soward was a bit of a wild shot i will admit but if you had him adn carney on different sides of the park NSW will have TO much creativity. I think the backline should stay the same. Feleti Mateo wins games.
October 25th 2012 @ 11:28am
jake said | October 25th 2012 @ 11:28am | Report comment
yesss jennings number 3 not 4 …..ahah cause i have a jersey sayinf JENNINGS 3
October 25th 2012 @ 3:17pm
Brett said | October 25th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
what would be bad if he was at 4
September 17th 2012 @ 8:52pm
Jamie said | September 17th 2012 @ 8:52pm | Report comment
My side for 2013
1. B.Stewart
2. B.Morris
3. J.Morris
4. M.Jennings
5. J.Hayne
6. T. Carney (possibly Josh Reynolds if Carney’s form is lacking and if Josh is ready)
7. P. Wallace
13. P. Gallen (c)
12. G.Stewart
11. G.Bird
10. J.Tamou
9. R .Farah
8. T. Grant
Reserves:
14. A.Woods
15. A.Watmough
16. L. Lewis
17. T. Willaims
Pretty much same as OP but I would change Halves up if it were up to me.
September 18th 2012 @ 6:00am
Brett said | September 18th 2012 @ 6:00am | Report comment
Whats about feleti mateo and kurt gidley and Akuilla who has been playing great for the secound half of this year
September 30th 2012 @ 10:17pm
Johnnie said | September 30th 2012 @ 10:17pm | Report comment
Look probaly the biggest thing we need to workout is who should be halfback. People say pearce isn’t good enough but after origin this year he scored a hatrick and his running game has been brilliant. The other guy we must look at is James Maloney. A fantastic kicker and has a great running game. He guided the warriors last year to a final. Todd Carney must stay. He made that fantastic break in game 2
November 22nd 2012 @ 6:54am
Brett said | November 22nd 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
the word is that Jamie Soward is switching back to HB. SO that would be great. imagine him and todd ing the halves
September 30th 2012 @ 10:26pm
Johnnie said | September 30th 2012 @ 10:26pm | Report comment
Also Todd has been still in great form and i think went great this year. Both the reynolds boys are too young and i don’t think have a great running game like Pearce, Carney and Maloney. Pearce is very elusive while carney has a better step then pearce and Maloney is great at finding holes and has a great dummy pass. My team for 2013 is
1. B.Stewart
2. Hayne/Morris
3. Morris
4.Jennings
5. Uate
6. Carney
7. Maloney/Pearce
8. Grant
9. Farah
10. Tamou
11. Lewis
12. Bird
13. Gallen (c)
Bench
14.Mateo
15. Stewart
16. Merrin
17. Maybe Reynolds
18. Watmough
October 2nd 2012 @ 5:49am
Brett said | October 2nd 2012 @ 5:49am | Report comment
how can u not hav TREX