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In the August edition of the world’s best selling rugby magazine, Rugby World, a current World XV has been named with two Australians gaining selection.
Will Genia the tremendously influential focal point of everything red and gold makes the grade at no. 9. This is no surprise, it is further confirmation of his standing in world rugby.
With such a disappointing World Cup and a poor first half of the 2012 Super XV season, question marks were surrounding Genia and rightly so.
It seems once he had settled his future with the Reds and got his mind in the right place, he has rediscovered his most influential form.
His first game against Wales this June was one for the ages and the fact that Mike Phillips was seen to be so inconsequential is testament to how much more valuable Genia really is.
Perhaps the Frenchmen Parra or Yachvili, or the Ulsterman Ruan Pienaar, might argue that their respective superior kicking games should consider them better players. The truth is Genia’s ability to keep defences guessing as to when a sniping run might cut them to shreads from phase play is too irresistible to ignore. Genia is as without peer as any other player named in the world XV.
There are no prizes for guessing the other Australian. It is of course the new captain David Pocock. His selection is further evidence that in most minds (with neutral agendas), there is a new king of the breakdown. It is no longer Richie McCaw.
For many this notion of a new king was first evident in 2010. It was consolidated at the 2011 World Cup Quarter Final and now it has been confirmed by the influence this modern no. seven has had over the best team in the Northern Hemisphere this June. In this series it seemed that every time the Wallabies desperately needed him, there was Pocock, asserting his defensive dominance by either driving ball carriers back or by making covering tackles. In both instances he has the amazing ability to also rise to his feet in the one motion in order to slow the phase play down, gain a penalty or pilfer the ball.
Pocock is not as far without peer as Genia but he is the best of the best Test opensides, most of whom are rival captains of the best Test sides in the world.
But what does having the world’s best no. seven and no nine really mean?
In the modern game, with so many breakdowns and so few set pieces in comparison, the man that has the most ruck involvements and the most influence in turn overs and or slowing down opposition phase ball is arguably the most important individual player in the pack. Pocock is this man for Australia and frankly his deeds have been carrying the Australian pack for the best part of two or three years.
In this time the Australian pack has been as ever inadequate at scrum time and average at the lineout, yet it is still accredited as being the forward pack of the no. two ranked side in the world. All because of what has been taking place at the breakdown, led by Pocock.
As mentioned, with so much phase play in the modern game the person that is involved in the most breakdowns is so vitally important. The man that handles all this ball from the base of these breakdowns is arguably now the most important player in the back-line.
Whether the no. seven can secure or slow down opposition ball at a disproportionate amount to his individual standing, and whether the no. nine can create chances from all this recycled ball now in the game is key to success in modern rugby.
With improvements in some other facets of play the Wallabies should go close to winning this year’s rugby championship. A bold prediction I know but one that is based on a hope that our two most influential players, Pocock and Genia stay fit.
On an Australian website I do not see the need to critique each of the other 13 named players, only to say this. With four All Blacks, three Welshman, three South Africans (two current players and one retired), two Scots and one Irishman, it sounds about right to me, although I might have had Dagg at 14 and a fit Beale at fullback.
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3. Euan Murray (Scotland and Newcastle)
4. Bakkies Botha (Toulon)
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6. Dan Lydiate (Wales and Dragons)
7. David Pocock (Australia and Western Force)
8. Kieran Read (New Zealand and Crusaders)
9. Will Genia (Australia and Queensland Reds)
10. Dan Carter (New Zealand and Crusaders)
11. George North (Wales and Scarlets)
12. Jamie Roberts (Wales and Cardiff)
13. Conrad Smith (New Zealand and Hurricanes)
14. JP Pieterson (South Africa and Sharks)
15. Rob Kearney (Ireland and Leinster)
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July 10th 2012 @ 2:02am
BD said | July 10th 2012 @ 2:02am | Report comment
Another fine article WW. Agree that Genia and Pocock are probably the two most important players in the world, along with Carter and Read.
But I’d have Jenkins and A Jones as props which would bring wales to 5 players in the world xv. I genuinely believe they have the best team on paper even better than the All Blacks and wallabies, except they don’t have a good no 9 and 10 which will prevent them from beating them.
and I’d have Cuthbert or Ioane for Pietersen.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:51am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:51am | Report comment
Cheers. I agree JP Pietersen is not a world xv candidate I’d have thought.
July 12th 2012 @ 5:23am
Charging Rhino said | July 12th 2012 @ 5:23am | Report comment
I can’t understand why JP is so underrated by so many people. He’d be my World number 14 any day and it looks like the writers of Rugby World agree with me.
He may not be the “flashiest” or a show-off but Watch him carefully when he plays. He is always in the right position, rarely makes a mistake, breaks the line and leaves his peers left for dead over and over again and his strongest aspect IMO is he is by far the best defensive winger in the world. I have never ever seen one player catch him offguard or step him or run through or around him and he has a knack to anticipate the oppositions attack every time, it’s something I’ve grown to notice about him over the years which most people are oblivious to seeing. He is Good! And being the size of a loose forward he knocks players backwards too which always helps.
Plus he scores tries… A wingers job.
Rigby Ioane would be my other winger with perhaps Chris Ashton on the bench. George North is okay.
July 12th 2012 @ 5:33am
The Werewolf said | July 12th 2012 @ 5:33am | Report comment
Good comment.
I think we are agreed he is a good player. Just not a world xv player IMHO. We all have differing opinions of course.
July 12th 2012 @ 10:23pm
Charging Rhino said | July 12th 2012 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
Should be Digby of course… either a typo or spell check… Hate that!
July 10th 2012 @ 9:26am
Coles said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
‘Wales better than the ABs’
Thats new
July 10th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Mantis said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Yeah i rate Wales, but the best team on paper in the world?
Not sure about that…
July 10th 2012 @ 12:46pm
sheek said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Of course, that’s precisely the underlying principle of ‘paper’ teams – they aren’t based in the “real” world……….
July 10th 2012 @ 4:53pm
Sprigs said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
Which is on grass.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:54pm
kumo said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:54pm | Report comment
Which is what BD has been smoking…
September 6th 2012 @ 2:21am
dozer42 said | September 6th 2012 @ 2:21am | Report comment
On what ground do u think u can make a comment about wales being better than the AB’s ?? They aren’t even ranked in the top 3 teams in the world??
November 25th 2012 @ 12:35pm
Moods said | November 25th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
I seriously seriously have to disagree with those statements,all blacks are the most dominant team in this sport,why you would think Australia and Wales are anywhere compared to is crazy.Where you got these facts from is hilarious.NZRU will continue to produce the finest Rugby stars for many years to come.RWC 15 will be a easy NZ v SA final.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:23am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:23am | Report comment
Having actually read the article I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a real world XV article, more of a two/three page space filler towards the end of the magazine. No opinions were sought from any of the regular ‘pundits’ they use like Stuart Barnes, Stephen Jones, Paul Wallace etc. Clearly this side is quite ridiculous and seems to be based partly on form and partly on past reputations. I thought the article had something to do with transfer fees too?
July 10th 2012 @ 3:48am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:48am | Report comment
The article was a four page spread from page 88-92 in a magazine containing 146 pages. Thats not a space filler at the back of the magazine.
Your integrity is in question yet again.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:55am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:55am | Report comment
You’re right – my integrity is in question again because I was a page short and because the article isn’t in the back draws of the magazine. Btw, the back 30-35 pages are filled with adverts, school rugby and regional rugby reports. Given that i’ve had a subscription for years now I think it would be fair to say that an article about the alleged best 15 players in the world would be a bit lower down in terms of page numbers. Also, what is the headline of the article, and what references are there to transfer fees? Why do no experts comment on the article? Try and stick to the rugby and not be insulting please.
July 10th 2012 @ 4:40am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:40am | Report comment
You knew full well that it was 11 pages on the other side of half way and was one of the main articles with a headline on the front cover but you chose to be dishonest and to try and discredit the article by saying it was an after thought at the back of the mag because you obviously get your kicks that way despite that it makes you appear dishonest. It also had nothing to do with transfer fees.
You were also hell bent on claiming on a previous thread that Dusatoir played at blindside for his club and that you were personally witness to this from watching french rugby, again in an attempt to discredit other bloggers. Of course if that were true and you have been watching ‘a ;ot’ of french rugby you’d know he only ever played openside and wore the no 7 in every match this year for his club Toulouse including the finals.
So you do have a history of this sort of thing.
July 10th 2012 @ 5:18am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:18am | Report comment
Right… It really wasn’t one of the main articles, hence the lack of words and expert input. I’m not trying to discredit anything, but trying to present a pretty weak article as some sort of NH verdict as to a world XV is pretty facile IMO. It stands to reason that a magazine that employs people like Stafford, Barnes and Jones would make more of an effort. Btw, what is the title?
There really is no need to bring up Dusautoir again, but the reality is he is a blindside as numerous other posters noted. That he wears 7 is for Toulouse is an irrelevance as Nyanga and Bouilhou aren’t blindsides. Even if he were an openside it would also be irrelevant as he is a completely disimilar player to Pocock, which was the entire point of your article. Really, whatever way you look at this, what you’re saying is pretty redundant, and that you’re bringing it on to another thread is pretty informative.
July 10th 2012 @ 5:22am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:22am | Report comment
If it wasn’t one of the main articles why was it on the front cover in big bold writing, “Who makes our World XV?” hmmmm?
July 10th 2012 @ 5:38am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:38am | Report comment
I repeat, and for the third time: why would a subject matter that has historically attracted so much debate only consist of 15 pictures and about 50-75 words per player with no expert input whatsoever? I’m pretty sure that an article on the world’s best players written by a Stephen Jones or Stuart Barnes would attract more attention than what is presented. Look, think what you want. A simple perusal of the actual article is sufficient enough to know that this is nothing more than a throwaway page filler.
July 11th 2012 @ 8:38pm
IvanN said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
Who had the final verdict on this anyways ? surely some sort of professional debate needed to happen around this ? I have reservations over 11-15. Also, Bakkies is no longer the best at 4.
The entire international lineup has changed this year, Its almost moronic to make any sort of ‘best’ calls right now… but I would not have gone with 10 of the 15 selected here.
Genia has 2 or 3 good matches and hes the best again ? Make that call after the 4N when he’s forced to play behind a retreating pack.
Carter still the premier 10 ? allot of pressure from quite a few new-comers.
Best ? 5th best, at best.
Roberts – solid, but not number 1.
Smith – not the force he once was, selecting on reputation
pietersen – not even the best in sa.
Kearney – wouldnt make SA,NZ or Aus.
July 11th 2012 @ 9:54pm
Ben S said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:54pm | Report comment
I agree with some of what you’re saying, Ivan – specifically the fact that there is a lot of rugby to be played before these sorts of ‘debates’ crop up, but IMHO Kearney would easily make the SA side, and on form Kurtley Beale is nowhere near the player he was last season. Look how Kearney played during the Lions series. The last time SA had a player near his class was arguably when Andre Joubert was playing.
Not sure how you can think Smith is playing on reputation either. He’s had an excellent Super series and was very good against Ireland.
July 11th 2012 @ 10:07pm
IvanN said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:07pm | Report comment
2009 was a long time ago. Maybe i need to see more of the NH domestic rugby to form more informed opinions about NH players. Agreed about his Lions performances though.
Conrad in Super Rugby just doesnt seem to have that same old spark. He’s a consistent performer, but its just not enough for me to rate him up there.
July 11th 2012 @ 10:53pm
Ben S said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:53pm | Report comment
Kearney was pretty good against NZ too. Safe under the high ball, great physical specimen and a good kick returner. Rarely makes mistakes too. Reminds me a bit of Latham, minus the routine errors.
I think Smith has been excellent for the Hurricanes. Can’t see anybody in world rugby currently touching him for consistency.
July 11th 2012 @ 11:13pm
mark said | July 11th 2012 @ 11:13pm | Report comment
kearney is nothing like latham. Latham was a good player.
July 11th 2012 @ 11:15pm
Ben S said | July 11th 2012 @ 11:15pm | Report comment
I see. And Kearney is therefore a bad player?
July 11th 2012 @ 11:27pm
IvanN said | July 11th 2012 @ 11:27pm | Report comment
I had a good chuckle now. tx mate
July 10th 2012 @ 3:24am
Colin N said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:24am | Report comment
Find it interesting that they put Murray in there when he’s set to play next season in the second tier of English rugby. A fine player, but if he was that good, someone might have looked to buy him out of his contract.
I just feel the likes of Jones, Cole, Franks, Ross are better.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:30am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:30am | Report comment
Sunday day games perhaps?
July 10th 2012 @ 3:50am
Colin N said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:50am | Report comment
Yes, possibly, although I remember he actually rejected Bath to go and play for Newcastle. I certainly don’t think he’s the player he was.
It just seems strange that a Championship player is named in a World XV. Anyway, it’s one of the wonderful quirks of European rugby that a player as good as him will be playing in the second tier next season.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:56am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:56am | Report comment
Have you read the article, Colin?
I agree re: Murray. His form is way off his 2009 best.
July 10th 2012 @ 6:04am
Colin N said | July 10th 2012 @ 6:04am | Report comment
I have. It was quite nicely presented to be fair. As a guess, it was probably a World XV selected by the regular staff on the magazine, but not from the regular columnists.
July 10th 2012 @ 7:42am
breakdown said | July 10th 2012 @ 7:42am | Report comment
haha how very gentlemanly of you two getting on so well together. Have you read the article Colin. why yes i have Ben. oh wonderful news Colin. thankyou Ben.
haha are you ben or are you Colin.
July 10th 2012 @ 4:48am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:48am | Report comment
A good discussion.
He may be at a club that was relegated but that doesn’t take away from the fact that he is a world class international. Still I’d have thought Cole or A Jones would have got the nod. Perhaps it was his performance against Australia in a winning team.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:40am
kingplaymaker said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:40am | Report comment
Crazy team. George North better than Digby Ioane and Rob Kearney than both Israel Dagg and Kurtley Beale. Dan Lydiate doing remarkably well. Botha the best in his position in the world? Richie Gray? I was disappointed with Nonu last year but haven’t seen Roberts do much since the last Lions tour. Nor does Roberts compare to SBW who would have been a possibility when this team was chosen.
Obviously there is a whole lot of exaggerated northern hemisphere bias there but even then it is inaccurate: Murray and Lydiate are not the best players in their positions in the northern hemisphere.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:50am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:50am | Report comment
You make some good discussion points but you don’t think Richie Gray is the best lock at the moment?
Lydiate is an obvious choice at 6 you’d think. 6 natiosn palyer of the tournament and he was very good defensively against the wallabies playing injured.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:59am
kingplaymaker said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:59am | Report comment
TWW sorry only just got to computer. I think Lydiate is a very overpraised player. He was anonymous against Australia and yet somehow is elevated to a world XV. If you want a better northern hemisphere 6 I would go for Croft or Dusautoir, both fine players in different ways. I haven’t seen Richie Gray do anything so special. Actually the one player who impressed me at times, though a little fitfully, was Ben Morgan for England: blockbusting ball-running against a side that are hard to break through.
July 10th 2012 @ 4:11pm
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:11pm | Report comment
I rate Morgan also.
Gray was another who was sensational in the 6 nations and was solid against Australia in the wet. There are things he can do that no other lock in world rugby can do. Just take his try against Ireland as an example.
Gotta agree to disagree on lydiate. He’s style may go unnoticed but his defence influences games.
July 10th 2012 @ 3:55am
Colin N said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:55am | Report comment
On form I would say Lydiate is. Croft’s injured as is Ferris and O’Brien hasn’t played much in his best positon for Ireland. Johnson’s done well, but not hasn’t been as good as the Welshman.
July 10th 2012 @ 4:27am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:27am | Report comment
If we were going on actual form of the recent Test series then I think Alberts and even McLaughlan (sic?) would be ahead of Lydiate. He had a fine 6N, but I thought he looked off the pace and sluggish in Australia. That said, very few players played a full 80 minutes recently, so it’s hard IMO to select anybody until a few months down the line.
July 10th 2012 @ 5:56am
Colin N said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:56am | Report comment
Agree about Alberts. He would be my pick for the blindside position. McLaughlin was outstanding in the second Test, but despite Wales’ defeats, I thought Lydiate was very good. He cuts down everything that moves.
In fact, when all fit, that Welsh back-row is a pretty fearsome tackling unit. I heard somewhere that Faletau made 84 tackles in the World Cup and didn’t miss one. Pretty impressive stats.
July 10th 2012 @ 6:15am
Ben S said | July 10th 2012 @ 6:15am | Report comment
I think I read that somewhere re: Faletau too. Awesome stats.
July 10th 2012 @ 7:39am
breakdown said | July 10th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
Without doubt coming on here and reading this shizo pretend conversations between Ben and Colin who are clearly the same person is one of the highlights of my life!
July 10th 2012 @ 3:01pm
katzilla said | July 10th 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
Breakdown you must be new here.
Both of those posters have been here a long time and have different writing styles.
July 11th 2012 @ 1:33am
Pot Hale said | July 11th 2012 @ 1:33am | Report comment
Indeed, breakdown. Both have been on The Roar for quite some time.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:00am
mark said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:00am | Report comment
how do we know you are not all just aliases of the same person.
maybe i’m the fifth?
July 10th 2012 @ 4:47am
biltongbek said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:47am | Report comment
These lists are usually subjective at best.
If each of us had to put a list together it would differ greatly with the above one, but it does usually make for interesting debate.
Cian Healy for me was the best loose head prop in June.
Not sure I would Bakkies Botha on that list at all.
Lydiate as 6 (SA 7), I would pick Willem Alberts
I know it will be controversial but based on form my 10 would be Cruden.
Full back, geez I know he hasn’t played test rugby, but if it was my team Andre Taylor would surely be under consideration. His attacking nous has been sublime this year.
Anyhow, just my opinion.
July 10th 2012 @ 4:58am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:58am | Report comment
All good points but i don’t think it was just picked on June. It took in 6 nations, club and super xv form as well based on the individual comments for each selection. Someone like Kearney was amazing for Leinster this year so that must’ve been the thinking cos his test form was much less impressive. In saying all that I agree he shouldn’t be there. His test from should’ve cost him a place IMHO.
Cian Healy got smashed against england a couple of months ago. It may take sometime for him to live that one down. But yes in June he was extremely impressive especially at carrying.
I want to see more of Alberts before I’d class him up with the likes of Lydiate and Kaino and co. I’m sure its a matter of time because in patches of rugby he’s unstoppable but is it just me or does he play in patches of brilliance and not for the full 80min? Happy to be proven wrong and shouted down, that’s just the impression i’m getting.
July 10th 2012 @ 5:05am
biltongbek said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:05am | Report comment
Yes, it all depends when the team was selected and based on exactly what competitions.
But like I said, subjective at best and good material for debate. Then again looking at tat you have 7 NH players there and looking at the June internationals, if you had to put a list together now, it will differ greatly.
July 10th 2012 @ 5:29am
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:29am | Report comment
its definitely subjective and 7 NH v 8 SH players is an interesting point.
what is also interesting to see not one English player was selected.
July 10th 2012 @ 5:31pm
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:31pm | Report comment
hang on a sec its 6 NH players and 9 SH.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:16am
Ben S said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:16am | Report comment
‘Cian Healy got smashed against england a couple of months ago. It may take sometime for him to live that one down. But yes in June he was extremely impressive especially at carrying.’
Healy didn’t really get smashed against England: the entire Irish scrum did. However, the English scrum only really started to get a serious ascendancy when Tom Court replaced Mike Ross. That aside, Dan Cole has pushed about some quality 1s, so coming second best to him is not the blackest mark in his career. Healy certainly took Owen Franks and his brother to the cleaners in the Second Test versus NZ this summer.
July 10th 2012 @ 4:55am
Viscount Crouchback said | July 10th 2012 @ 4:55am | Report comment
I’m a huge fan of Lydiate. He almost lassoos his opponents by the ankles; it’s absolutely brilliant. Not a flashy player by any means, but definite shades of Richard Hill.
July 10th 2012 @ 6:22am
Brett McKay said | July 10th 2012 @ 6:22am | Report comment
Jamie Roberts is the interesting inclusion for me. Hasn’t played in how many months, and there’s still no-one better at inside centre?
July 10th 2012 @ 7:43am
breakdown said | July 10th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Roberts is too good to not be picked.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:35am
Brett McKay said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
I’m not questioning that, Breakdown, I just find it interesting that he could hold a place in a World XV having not played for as long as he has. I mean even if there are other 12s around the world as good as Roberts (and there would be several), and actually played in the June Tests, surely they would have a claim? I mean, even if they don’t rate Sonny Bill Williams, Manu Tuilagi and Frans Steyn immediately come to mind, on current form..
July 10th 2012 @ 5:05pm
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:05pm | Report comment
Roberts has only been missing since April though fellas. i think his 6 nations form consolidated his mantle as the best no 12 there is.
I say lets see how SBW does in a proper championship before claiming he’s up there.
July 11th 2012 @ 6:44am
Jerry said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
If you can include Roberts from 5 games against 6N opposition why not include SBW for his 3 tests vs Ireland? I was more impressed by his form than Roberts – certainly his 3rd test form was better than any other 12 this season.
July 11th 2012 @ 9:58pm
mark said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:58pm | Report comment
nonsense. SBW was ordinary in 2 of 3 test against Ireland! how does that make him the better than Roberts. it just doesn’t. SBW is a s over-rated as anyone in world rugby. Roberts delivers the goods every time he plays.
July 11th 2012 @ 11:17pm
Ben S said | July 11th 2012 @ 11:17pm | Report comment
I think it’s a stretch to say that Roberts delivers EVERY time he plays, and in any case all he does is crash the ball up. England have managed to contain him pretty well in recent seasons. Fair enough Ireland got hold of Williams very well in the first two Tests, but Williams has an off-loading game that Roberts can only dream about. I’d certainly rather defend against Roberts than Williams.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:48am
Hoy said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
I agree with Brett. If they pick Roberts at 12 because he is irresistable, then why not Kaino? He was unlucky to not get worlds best player last year I thought. And I would rather him in my team than against.
Also, George North. I don’t get the love for this bloke. In 4 or 5 games against the Wallabies, he has done a sum total of nothing. He scored a try from 1 metre out, that honestly should have been a Wallaby penalty for the prop entering the ruck from about 60 degrees. There are any number of wingers who have better form than him against most nations. Digby would be a better winger than him. Gear would be a better winger than him.
July 10th 2012 @ 5:10pm
The Werewolf said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
A good point about North. Cuthbert was better for wales this year but i genuinely believe it’s because North has gone over to williams left wing position when he was clearly the best right winger at the RWC. If I were North I’d be asking to go back to the right wing where he played his best rugby last year.
Roberts and kaino is a point I’ve answered elsewhere. FYI roberts played the full 6 nations and only got injured at the end of his season. Kaino played 2 rounds of super rugby this year. i think there’s your answer.
July 11th 2012 @ 8:39am
Hoy said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
OK, so the last game of the 6 nations was in Mid March. Kaino’s injury was in… Early March.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:01pm
The Werewolf said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:01pm | Report comment
You do understand the NH play in a different season don’t you?
July 10th 2012 @ 10:12am
Whatchmacallit said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
After the drumming the South gave to the North in the June Tests, you really do have to question the number of North players in the mix. Even then showing JP Peterson as the only South back three is absolutely crazy. He is not the best by a long mile and the North got totally outplayed in this area of the game. I think it must hyav ebeen put together for reader consumption rather than a serious attempt at selection.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:17am
all7days said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Would argue for Ritchie but it would depend on the role in the team.
Easy to dispute Roberts over Nonu and JP over Jane.
also Kaino not being in the team throws their opinions into question.