Why all the love for Ricky Stuart?
By ScottWoodward.me, 10 Jul 2012 ScottWoodward.me is a Roar Guru
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If I read another Ricky Stuart ‘love story’ I will vomit! I asked a journalist at Fairfax who I respect why we only ever read ‘suck up’ stories about Ricky?
He told me that he thinks he is over-rated but gave me no answers regarding the amazingly unbalanced journalism in the NSW media.
As a consumer, I am happy to read all the positive things about Ricky but at the end of the day the judge pays out on the number in the frame, and all we request is some balanced reporting.
The cold hard facts that the mainstream media are adverse to publish are stark and real.
Ricky Stuart has been sacked from his previous three coaching jobs and left his last two clubs, the Roosters and the Sharks in tatters.
Ricky Stuart Origin coaching record (* with Andrew Johns at halfback):
2005 – Game 1: Loss, Game 2: Win*, Game 3: Win*
2011 – Game 1: Loss, Game 2: Win, Game 3: Loss
2012 – Game 1: Loss, Game 2: Win, Game 3: Loss
Total: Games nine, wins four, losses five.
He has now won only two games from the last six (33%), the same record that Graham Murray had (2006-2007) before he was sacked. Craig Bellamy (2008-2010) is regarded as a far superior coach to Stuart and he was sacked after only two wins from nine games.
Who cares if the players love their coach? They loved Bellamy also and you would never find a more passionate coach. Who cares if he has promoted the game well? If he is so good at developing a product then put him in marketing, but a coach should be rated on his winning record.
The Roosters and the Sharks only won 25% of their games in their last two years under Ricky so why are the media trying to get him a job with an NRL club by saying he is hot property?
There is no room for bias or passion when rating a rugby league game, player or coach. We deal in raw facts and they are very clear in the Stuart file.
Flash, a respected rugby league risk analyst who is in charge millions of dollars in wagers for a leading online bookie told me this week that when he is rating a team that is coached by Ricky Stuart it is a minus: “I would not want to be on a reserve grade kindergarten team that he (Stuart) coached”, Flash said from his trading floor.
The player selection and the tactics employed by NSW over the last two years have been shocking. The Blues would have won game one last year and the series had Stuart not got so many key selections horribly wrong.
This year looked to be no different but with the injury to Danny Buderus, NSW finally got the best qualified hooker in Robbie Farah and somebody must have nudged Ricky to put Brett Stewart in for Anthony Minichiello who was embarrassing last year.
Anybody that is a student of the game and studies the analytics would know that Farah and Kiwi Isaac Luke are clearly the next best hookers behind Cam Smith, but somehow the NSW coach preferred Dean Young, Michael Ennis and Danny Buderus at age 34.
What about last Wednesday night’s big deciding game?
This was a game that history tells you a team has to score, or be equipped to score, more than 22 points if you hope to win. Luke Lewis is one of the world’s best forwards who plays for 80 minutes and is a nightmare for any defence, but Stuart waited 46 minutes before he brought him on to replace the defensive Beau Scott, who did nothing in attack but managed to miss three tackles, one which led to a Maroon try.
You can see in the link to my story above that I requested Brett Morris should come on to the left wing and Hayne to switch to the right wing after game one. Stuart waited until game three to make that obvious move and we saw how good Brett was. He has been the best left wing in the world now for several years despite the fact that he plays fullback for his club.
Probably the most important and disappointing aspect of the Blues preparation was the lack of improvement in the six and seven. Todd Carney made only one run for a gain of seven metres and Mitch Pearce made three runs for 22 metres. Both halves missed eight tackles each.
Todd Carney told the cameras how much he loved being coached by Ricky Stuart, but the fact is he went backwards and will be very lucky to claim another Blue jersey again.
Given that the Blues have found a genuine leader and skilled organiser in Robbie Farah, even if by default, they can probably get away with not having your typical number seven who would normally run the team.
There is now a very good argument for 2013 that the Newcastle Knights pairing of Kurt Gidley and Jarrod Mullen could work very well with Farah and cause the Maroons some real problems.
Then again, if Ricky is still there, he may want to have all the Knights and include Danny Buderus at 35.
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July 10th 2012 @ 5:22am
Knight Vision said | July 10th 2012 @ 5:22am | Report comment
At the end of the day this bloke has won a Premiership as coach, the argument could be that he had the talent, but on the Cup/ Shield it doesnt say Jack Gibson won with Sterling , Kenny Cronin , Ella Growth , Price etc it just has the winner. Its all about the ability to get the best from men and he has proven that he can do that. Hindsight is 20/20 I’m not going to second guess the guys decision when to bring certain players into the contest, we dont know the up close and personal reasons why this may have been. Ive been watching footy for more than 30yrs but this bloke has played, coached lived a breathed it for at least that long. With Buderus the man is a legend and in his prime arguably the best hooker of his generation , a man who has been there done that – something the Blues could of utilized . His praise of Buderus also probably helped steal Farrah’s game in the weeks leading to the teams selection. Team sport as with any sport is half mental therefore mind games play their part. When I was in the Army as a young man the real difference in performing well or failing during grueling physical punishment was my state of mind , pride , the fear of failure and the ability to override my body when its screaming for me to stop. Stuart obviously has the ability to get these young boys to realize this- he must have otherwise we would be in the same position before he arrived with little hope of victory in sight, where as I believe we are now on the cusp of victory thanks to his efforts. We went within a whisker of it this time, so close we can smell it and we can taste it. Next year will be one if not 2 better and that Moron ( Moroon ) smugness will be all to a distant memory. Stuart is a legend.
July 10th 2012 @ 9:44am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Knight
For Vision is blurred and you must be related to him.
The majority of my story was about clear facts and not my opinion. It is not even up for discussion, his record at NRL level is poor and the smart people in the industry who do the ratings agree.
We would have won the series last year had he not stuffed up. His use of the bench this year and the lack of direcvtion he gave his 6 and 7 was shocking.
July 10th 2012 @ 9:24pm
josh said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:24pm | Report comment
They appear to me to be selective facts…
July 10th 2012 @ 8:20am
eagleJack said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
Scott, Im not sure why 2 of Ricky’s wins at Origin level require an asterisk because Joey Johns played. Should every one of Mal’s wins also carry an asterisk because Thurston has played in each match?
I guess you are also in the corner that Ricky’s 3 grand final appearances for 1 premiership with the Roosters was more to do with Gus Gould and Graham Murray. And the great playing squad at his disposal. Cause Wayne Bennett has always had duds in the sides he coached to success. When I pointed out the other day that he took the Sharks in 2008 to equal first on the ladder (Storm, Manly and Sharks all finished on 38 points) you said that “Flanagan has 100 yards on Ricky as a coach”. Really? I can’t help but think you are letting emotions cloud your judgement.
Look Im as disappointed as the next bloke that we lost another series. But the series came down to the last play of Game III to determine a winner. Sure there were mistakes in selections along the way (Buhrer) but what I saw was a squad finally being backed with only a handful of changes throughout. Im not in the boat that close enough is good enough, but I do feel the players have responded extremely well to Ricky at the helm and the passion on the field has been excellent. We swap Thurston for Pearce and we win the series. Easily. Ricky can only work with the players he has. And I think he did a very good job. And Ill be more than happy to see him back next year. Let’s just hope that the players step up.
July 10th 2012 @ 9:50am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Jack
Even my 11 yo can see how the Sharks have improved in every aspect of footy since Ricky left them in a mess and almost broke.
I NEVER let emotions get in my way when I do ratings, I deal in facts.
I agree with you about Andrew Johns and I believe Ricky would have gone well as the Maroon coach as he would have had Thurston but importantly he would have had a selection team who provide the team for him and he would have had a REAL assistant coach who will get the tactics right as they did in game 3 this year.
I think Ricky would be fine as a manager of people. Leave the selections and tactics to people with more idea.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:17am
eagleJack said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Scott, the financial troubles at Cronulla can hardly be blamed on Stuart and to even do so is ridiculous. I think you can focus your attention for that on Zappia and Pierce. Stuart took a struggling team that finished 13th in 2006 to one win from the 8 in 2007 (his first year). He then went on to take this team of nobodies to a prelim final in 2008.
I think you are a bit quick to praise Flanagan. He took the team to 13th in 2011 (5 wins out of the 8 ) and his 2012 is yet to be determined. But I guarantee they won’t finish equal first as Stuart had his team do in his 2nd year. And this is with a far superior side than Stuart had at his disposal. Just on last night they failed to put away a Roosters side that couldn’t hold onto the ball and had a 9-2 penalty count against them. Sides should win comfortably in those situations.
I agree with your final statement. If Stuart isn’t the coach then he certainly would make a fine director of coaching for the Blues. There is no doubt he excels at man management and getting the best out of his troops. But yes his tactic do leave a little to be desired. But again he is limited by the personnel.
July 10th 2012 @ 8:38am
steve b said | July 10th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
We lost the series by one point ,, leave things tha way they are,, we are not far of the mark,,and the main thing is all the players are all wanting ti do their best for him,,,and yes i would have look at the halves next year,, and pick on form,, not on he’s done it before.Give him another go for mine….
July 10th 2012 @ 9:54am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:54am | Report comment
Steve
In the fair dinkum department, Qld were far superior than 1 point in the last game. They got their tactics correct and used their bench properly. Ricky took nearly 50 mins before he brought on one of the worlds best forwards in Lewis and he only selected 2 props on the bench.
He makes mistake after mistake and the NSW media laud him as a guru.
July 10th 2012 @ 11:27am
steve b said | July 10th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
I do agree the late inclusion of Lewis had me scratching my head,,so who is your top five for the job ?
July 10th 2012 @ 11:48am
Nafe said | July 10th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
I’m not sure if 5 coached are good enough to coach at this level. I think to coach at this level where you only have limited preperation, you need to be good man management skills and good tactical skills. As the coach gets 12 months to prepare, alot of time should be spent looking at the opposition, looking at who could get selected for the opposition and set tactics around that, and then be flexible enough to change during the match.
I know Gus would love to be NSW saviour but i think his position at Penrith would preclude him from selection. Chris Anderson may be a good pick, or would Warren Ryan be prepared to take on the job? I don’t know if I would even offer someone of the experience of Steve Folks the job.
In my opinion Sticky hasn’t proven himself as a coach, He may be good as a mentor like Barrett, Johns and Dailey are around the dressing room, but i don;t think he has the quality to be in charge.
July 10th 2012 @ 12:07pm
steve b said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
Nafe Desi has to be in the mix if we are going to go hunting for a new man at the top…
July 10th 2012 @ 12:28pm
Nafe said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
I would agree, Butr I was thinking of people without a full time coaching gig which seems what NSW is preferring, But Des Hassler would be up there on the list if they allow a coach to also be an NRL coach.
July 10th 2012 @ 11:50am
Dogs Of War said | July 10th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
I think the funniest thing was that after only selecting 2 props, was to employ a tactic of playing one up footy when coming out of your half, which works when you have more than 2 props in the team. The guys got smashed by 3-4 Queensland forwards each time which left nothing in the bank when we did have the ball in their half and needed that go forward. Even passing a second time occasionally would have offered more variety and created more options with so many second rowers in the team who probably wouldn’t have been facing 3-4 Queensland forwards, probably more like one or two, especially if you have a runner or two provide options for offloading.
Stuart has done his time as coach, would prefer we go in a different direction now.
Personally I would like to see James Maloney get a crack at the NSW Halfback spot, he is a great organiser, and has played enough halfback that he would complement Carney who we do know has the ability, and maybe with the organisational stuff taken off him, he can take on the line a little more which is his strong suit.
July 10th 2012 @ 12:03pm
steve b said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
I to like Malony he dosen’t stop trying ,,and is a great organiser…
July 10th 2012 @ 12:35pm
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Dogs
I thought you may have been Graeme Hughes but he would never say Maloney is a great organiser. Maloney is an out and out ball runner who has excellent speed and finds a hole well, but he does not know how to run a team, also he is the worst defender in the NRL.
You are correct though about the Blues bench. The no brainer was for Lewis to start and a prop to replace Beau Scott and or Creagh.
July 10th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Dogs Of War said | July 10th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Well someone is organising stuff at the Warriors and it ain’t Shaun Johnson. So Maloney is can do a good job leading a team around the paddock. It’s a bonus that he can be a good ball runner as well, which is a good sign for any potential halfback.
July 10th 2012 @ 9:59am
MemberforDobell/PLANKO said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Scott the only 2 things that completely drove me nuts about last Wednesday was the Hodge’s try and not cause it was not a try under the current rules but it was clearly a case that both sides baulked cause they thought something was wrong with the play. The botom line for me is that when all of these players were growing up this was a shepherd… That is why they all paused for a sec. This is why Hodges looked towards the ref.
But this is not why we lost game. Slater and Inglis are great players but both players have some weaknesses. Inglis’s main weakness is his strength as well his height. You would have been better of running grubber kicks down the middle of the field than and making him pick the ball up than what we did. Kick it high and down his throat. This gave him the maximum time to build up a head of steam when running the balls back. We were starting sets at the 10 m line when they were starting them at the 30-40m lines on a regular basis.
Scott your thoughts on this.
btw Raiders have finally realised they don’t have the cattle and if they just don’t drop the ball and get their 50% of luck they can win games.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:15am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Planko
Once again the tactics employed by Ricky Stuart on Inglis was of kindergarten standard. I dont know what he told his 6 and 7 but they were not sighted and when they were they were ordinary. No direction from coach and it showed.
The Maroon game plan was brilliant.
Just on the Hodges try….at least 2 guys had every chance to get him and he was simply too good. Not only was it a fair try but a brilliant try, give Hodges the credit. Beau Scott had him on his right then left and Hodges just ran around him. I wonder what Lewis would have done?
The Raiders will have a good side next year.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:21am
MemberforDobell/PLANKO said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:21am | Report comment
Speaking of Lewis I reckon almost every club’s football manager went home last night and ran a slide rule over their “book” for next season to see if they could scronge together something together ! Even Manly especially if the Stewart Bros were going …
July 10th 2012 @ 10:36am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
Planko
We havent got the real story yet.
Lewis is world class and no forward is more influential in his club team than him.
Amazing call.
July 10th 2012 @ 2:13pm
Dogs Of War said | July 10th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
I see your Lewis, and raise your a Gallen.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:22am
eagleJack said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Brilliant try? You as well as I know that this is a pet play of the Maroons. Think they call it “Elvis”. Hodges will create space and throw the ball to Thurston. On this occassion Carney ran up on Thurston (as he knew the play), Hodges saw this and before he knew it he ran behind Hannant. He stuttered at this point knowing you can’t do this but continued on his way as he had already gone too far. He strolled through the gap and scored.
Under the “new clause” this is a fair try. But Im not sure brilliant is the word.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:37am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Jack
He didnt stroll thru the gap he ran around Scott from his left hand side to his right hand side and then left him cold whiile Carney on the side clung off him.
Yes a great try.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:50am
eagleJack said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Sorry Scott we clearly have different opinions on what a “gap” is. The gap was created by Carney running up quickly on Thurston to shut down the move. Knowing that if he doesn’t pass the ball to Thurston then he must retreat as he cannot run behind Hannant.
July 10th 2012 @ 12:37pm
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
Jack
They had every chance to get him and simply were NOT good enough. Its in the frame, get over it.
July 10th 2012 @ 12:46pm
MemberforDobell/PLANKO said | July 10th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Scott I agree with you but at any level of Rugby League apart from NRL it would have blown up as soon as he went behind the Hannant. I am growing increasing annoyed at the amount of NRL Rugby League Rules there are. Not all of them are bad but they either are not used at lower levels or make the referees life hell.
1) Staying down after being tackled. At park level if you are clipped high the ref misses it bad luck.
2) Shepherd rule
3) Corner post was brought in to make it easier for the linesmen
4) Replays being used for strippings. It should not be used but it does if a try is “scored”
July 10th 2012 @ 1:03pm
eagleJack said | July 10th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
Get over what?? Im not disputing it was a try. Just find it strange that a so called student of the game misinterprets a basic analysis of how the play unfolded.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:07am
Josh said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
Jack Gibson once said, ”The best coaches are the best recruiters,” and this is where Ricky falls down both as a club coach he can inspire and create passion but he picks the wrong player especially at club level and his passion piece only last so long – which to me makes his best coaching always at representative level. I think the only weakness in origin is that he selects the side.
He is a good club coach when he takes over a good team he can inspire them for a year or 2 – the problem being that passion gets tired over a few years and poor recrutiment really ruins his teams (Any Sharks supporter can tell you of Anhtony Tupou’s five years of magic)
July 10th 2012 @ 10:20am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Josh
Very true. His list of poor recruits is massive and so is the list of good players that he banished. Funny thing the Maroons have 2 of them in Hodges and harrison as Ricky had them as bench players so they left. He had Cuthbertson playing in the park until Bennett rang him and Soward could get a run at all, but the list is massive. So is the huge money he paid for players who never played 1st grade.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:07am
Pot Stirrer said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
Agreed with everything you siad till you brought up Jarrod Mullen. He is the 2nd most overated halve next to pearce. He cannot put more than 2 decent games together in a row and if it wasnt for the Johns’s blowing his trumpet all the time he would be seen for the very average player he is. Surley if Adam Reynolds keeps going the way he is should get a look in next year.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:23am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Pot
If Gids plays 7 then Mullen will have a combination with him and he has a better kicking game than Pearce and Carney.
I have liked Souths all year and have studied Reynolds very closely every game. Only a month ago I thought he needed this year and next year he would be much better, but he keeps coming on. He is reminding me know of Cherry-Evans last year. They have a great hope the Rabbits.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:08am
Nafe said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Saying Ricky Stuart is a good coach becasuse he won a premiership is like saying Michael Hagan is a good coach cause he won one with Newcastle.
The fact it Stuart took over a team at the top of their game playing the style of the Gus Gould years prior with a Gus built side like Hagan inherited a Warren Ryan side. The following years when both Sticky and Hagan had to build their own sides they failed. and failed at each club they went to.
July 10th 2012 @ 9:27pm
josh said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:27pm | Report comment
You might be right, you might be wrong, but Stuart built the 2008 Cronulla side, it had little to nothing to do with Raper or Anderson.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:34am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Nafe
You clearly have plenty of idea and study the game well.
He actually had several future coaches playing in the team.
July 10th 2012 @ 10:50am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Spiro Zavos said | July 10th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
The power of the rugby league media shouldn’t be over-looked here. Ricky Stuart is the darling of The Sunday Telegraph, for whom he writes a column. It is understandable that the paper promotes one of its stars. But if say Brian Smith were coaching the NSW Blues and had made the same coaching and selection mistakes of Stuart, would The Sunday Telegraph be as understanding as it has been with Stuart?
The fact of the matter is that NSW has the preponderance of rugby league numbers in players to select from, rather like the Waratahs. Admittedly, this is a golden period of supreme talent in Queensland for Mal Meninga to select his Maroons team from.
But the inability of Stuart to create a halves combination that has class and a winning element represents a failure of selection and coaching (in the limited time a State of Origin coach has with his team.)
The notion of Stuart being involved for the next 10 years is simply job-creation for a mate by Phil Gould.
The Blues looked to me to be poorly coached and selected throughout this State of Origin series, and last year. In the final game they were beginning to bunch after about 20 minutes.
Where the Maroons had clear and simple tactics, like Cameron Smith kicking early and deep to start putting the Blues under pressure after the Maroons had weathered a series of attacks, the Blues just kicked and hoped most of the time
July 10th 2012 @ 1:06pm
bjt said | July 10th 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
I think you’re being a bit hard on old Ricky, because even though the stats don’t say so, he’s never lost a match.
Why if it wasn’t for referees, home ground advantages, rule interpretations, Queensland’s conspiring and the odd 45 metre field goal he’d have a perfect record!
July 10th 2012 @ 1:12pm
MemberforDobell/PLANKO said | July 10th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
Look at his head. Ricky is a hard on goes hot for while then goes down.
July 10th 2012 @ 1:28pm
ScottWoodward.me said | July 10th 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
bjt
On NRL standards both Ricky and Mal are ordinary coaches. The difference is that Mal knows he is an ordinary NRL coach and Ricky has a huge ego and he thinks he is a star.
Mal has been made look good because he is a wonderful father figure and has a very professioanl infrastructure in place that includes a selection panel who I also have some concerns about, but you CANNOT have the coach making selections as it is a different skill. Lucky for the Maroons that Harrison was injured and parker was able to start at lock and set up 2 tries as Harrison would have never had the skill to do that.
Mal has also been blessed by having Thurston as Ricky was in 2005 by having Johns.
July 10th 2012 @ 1:32pm
MemberforDobell/PLANKO said | July 10th 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Scott,
Mals role strictly ceremonial ! The assistants coach that team ! Every time they went to him during the coverage it looked like he was concerned about who was getting his next Pie.