CAMPO: Why aren’t Australian teams scoring tries?
By David Campese, 11 Jul 2012 David Campese is a Roar Expert
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It was interesting watching the Super Rugby over the weekend, knowing the Reds needed 5 points to be in with a real chance of making the finals, yet seeing them quite content to just win the game.
I don’t understand the tactics.
With that carrot in front of them, you’d think they’d be pushing a little harder to score tries.
But, like the other Australian Super Rugby teams, they don’t appear confident enough in their skills to take a few chances with the ball.
And it’s not much different in South Africa.
I called the Stormers game on the weekend, which was lackluster at best. I believe that the priority for the team this season is
defence, not to score tries.
We saw the Blue Bulls also struggle to score tries when they are behind.
How can you seriously threaten the top Super Rugby teams if you go out onto the field with a mindset to not score tries?
It’s all very strange and I think these two teams will struggle if they are faced with trying to play catch up rugby.
Contrast the performances of the Reds and the Stormers with the pulsating Chiefs vs Crusaders encounter, which was not only exciting all the way down the final minute, but was played in a positive, attacking manner, which made it entertaining to watch regardless of whether you supported the teams or not.
It was one of the best games I’ve seen all year. And the skill factor was unbelievable.
But they have so many talented players in New Zealand willing to back themselves on the field.
Speaking of which, it was very disappointing to hear the news about Sonny Bill leaving New Zealand rugby. Mind you, it was no great surprise. Every time you read the paper lately, you’d hear about his manager trying to sell him somewhere.
And while Sonny is old enough to make the right calls himself, I can’t help but feel that he has been given poor guidance along the way.
He has a great profile in rugby. So why would he want to go to Japan unless it’s all about the money?
He’s 6’3; the Japanese are 4 foot nothing. For an athlete in the prime of his career, it’s pretty bad judgement and a sad realisation that loyalty and pride for your team is a thing of the past.
Back on Super Rugby, last week’s games were chalk and cheese.
The Kiwi sides run with the ball, and they have a real go at each other. The Waratahs and Brumbies: how boring was that?
Australian teams just struggle to score tries, and to be dominant in the finals, they will need to be more agressive with the ball.
A great example was during the Brumbies vs Waratahs game.
From the 64th minute till the end of the game, there were no points scored. It demonstrates that NSW are lacking players with flare and vision to keep them out front.
Alarmingly, this seems to be a pattern that has consistently occurred in NSW rugby over the last few years and it is very frustrating to watch.
With the talented Mitchell on the wing, we have no players inside him that allow him space to move. I still believe Foley should be number 10. He would provide them the flair and vision that they so badly need.
The team that wins this tournament will be one that can score tries and turn defence into attack. My money’s on the Crusaders: skill, flair and team work, they have got it all.
Let’s hope one of the Aussie teams can prove me wrong.
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July 11th 2012 @ 6:16am
Bakkies said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:16am | Report comment
The Brumbies have scored tries this season. It took us a while to adjust to Holmes and to allow him to settle in. Thankfully it happened earlier in the season. The Brumbies just had to keep on winning. We didn’t have a deficit to claw back like the Reds and not had the luxury of having to play the Lions at home close to a bye which handed them 9 points.
It is common for Finals matches to only have one or two tries scored in each match. Getting the scoreboard ticking over know matter what is important and forcing the opposition in to errors.
”With that carrot in front of them, you’d think they’d be pushing a little harder to score tries.”
There is a possibility of rain and the harder you try to play attacking rugby the more errors you make. There are only a couple of teams that carve the Tahs up. Despite their poor season they are tough to break down that’s why teams kick a lot of penalties to beat them.
July 11th 2012 @ 9:31am
formeropenside said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Well, you did have the luxury of missing the Stormers and Crusaders.
July 11th 2012 @ 9:43am
Brett McKay said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
And the Stormers have the luxury of not playing the NZ and Aust conference leaders, FOS. What’s your point? Crusaders don’t play the Sharks and Brumbies. It’s an imperfect draw, it’ll happen every year.
July 11th 2012 @ 10:42am
apelu said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Precisely Brett. Many of our fellow Roarers are still very primitive in their thinking, uncerdstaning, experience, etc. Travell the world my friends and see how advanced comps are doing it, whether it’s basketball, baseball, American footy in the US, or soccer in UEFA, etc. Super rugby is the best conference system, because teams from different conferrences play teams in other conferences, bar one, to determine who makes the finals. In other Conference systems, teams play only the teams in their pools to determine who gets into the finals. How should the Rugby World Cup be played. Get educated my friends, and stop this nonsense about the conference system that we have. The world is bigger than Australia.
July 11th 2012 @ 11:35am
Markus said | July 11th 2012 @ 11:35am | Report comment
People also always seem to forget that the Stormers have a terrible record against the Brumbies.
1 win in Canberra ever (in last year’s fiasco season), and only about a 40% win rate against the Brumbies even when playing in Newlands.
July 11th 2012 @ 11:41am
Dasher said | July 11th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
I thought this “Sandton” arrangement was only going to happen in RWC years. Is it really that hard to extend the season by 2 weeks?
July 11th 2012 @ 6:26am
mania said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:26am | Report comment
man that chiefs vs saders game was amazing. i think you hit it on the head campo when u say “players in New Zealand willing to back themselves on the field” thats it but not as individuals. its a team mentality and something thats harder to foster than just turning up at training one day and saying we’re going to have play expansively.
its a mentality that happens and is nurtured from age grade onwards. at grass roots we see the AB’s throw it around and want to be like them. when those kids make the AB’s they want to throw it around like their heroes did inspiring the next generation. its a vicious cycle.
i unfortunately made the mistake of watching the brumbies tahs game. what a come down after the nz derby.
SBW isnt that big a loss. NZ has the cover at the moment and i reckon in a year or 2 we’ll have a new rookie that will have everyone forgetting who SBW was. good luck to SBW he’s served NZ well and given his all whilst he wore the black. hope he does awesome and makes a couple mil before he retires. unfortunately Japan will be the end of his international career. few players come back from overseas and slot back into the AB’s environment easily.
July 11th 2012 @ 3:08pm
Kuruki said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Mate SBW is a huge loss. He has just found his feet and he brings something no other Nation on the planet has at the moment, he is the x-factor of all x-factor.
At the moment there really is no other proven international other then Nonu. I think our options are
Carter – Nonu
Cruden – Carter
Carter – Ellison
Carter – Kahui
I really would love to see Richrad Kahui have a crack at 2nd five alongside Smith.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:05pm
Riccardo said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
Agreed Kuruki.
While SBW’s skills are somewhat clouded by the ridiculous circus he is surrounded by the reality he has started to show glimpses of the awesome footballer he could have become with the Chiefs and the All Blacks.
I was a skeptic and his rugby has turned me around. It’s a shame he’s made this decision from that point of view. IMO he could have become one of the great All Blacks and the riches he’s chasing now would still have come albeit over a longer period.
While, like you, I’m a huge Kahui fan and would love to see him sharing the role of I/C with Ma’a, I don’t think Ma’a is a bad fall back position right now. He remains one of the premiere 12s in international rugby. Ellison will provide adequate cover and Cruden/Carter is kind of exciting too..
July 11th 2012 @ 7:53pm
Student said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:53pm | Report comment
Can’t really blame SBW for the move. Rugby players have a 10-15 year span to get the majority of the cash they’ll earn in their lifetimes. With that in mind, can you blame the guy for wanting a bigger retirement package? Smart move IMO.
July 11th 2012 @ 6:31am
Geoff Brisbane said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:31am | Report comment
Agree Campo people pay money to watch entertaing matches where tries are scored and both teams are playing to win and hence the problem I see with the Aus sides is that they are seemingly playing not to lose. If you do a tally of tries scored per conference that would give you some insight. I used to enjoy the have a go attitude Aus rugby used to be now I generally see a boring style associated with NH rugby then what Aus rugby were renowned and in many ways successful for. Come ON Aus teams have a go. Watching the contrasy of games between NZ and the Aus conference is like chalk and cheese. Ans I reckon that is also reflected in the respective International Matches. Oh well just my opinion.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:54am
Bakkies said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
Australia had to adapt because our forwards were getting mullered as a result the backs were living off scraps and back foot ball. Gregan got slated by SMH types for taking a step before passing. The reason why he did that was because the ball was slow, we were going backwards and the forwards weren’t cleaning out. In the games where we were going forward he provided quick clean service.
July 11th 2012 @ 6:12pm
jeznez said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
Gregan just didn’t like getting in there and working for the ball – he was too used to getting silver service ball at the Brumbies from a pack that was super competitive at that level and then failed to adjust when he went up to Test rugby and the Wallabies as you say were getting mullered.
Chris Whitaker played behind a Waratah pack that got bashed each week and learnt to live off scraps and slow ball and so was aggressive at the breakdown himself and didn’t mind getting his hands dirty and his head bashed to get in and clear the ball. Hence when Whitaker came on late in the game for the Wallabies suddenly the speed of service picked up. (Yes he was a fresh player coming on against tired ones, but that wasn’t the biggest factor influencing his speed of service).
The late years of Gregan were excruciating given Whitaker was the perfect halfback to stick behind that failing Wallaby pack.
July 11th 2012 @ 10:30pm
Peabody said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:30pm | Report comment
What rot. Anthems Whittaker was nowhere near as good as Gregan at any point.
July 11th 2012 @ 6:41am
liquorbox_ said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
it seems obvious to me that if the Reds lost they would not be able to make the finals, if they won, they could still m ake it without the BP. They did the right thing and can still make it.
Tries are nice, but making the finals is nicer. THis weekend is the test of if you go for goal or tries
July 11th 2012 @ 6:53am
mania said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:53am | Report comment
have to agree with liquorbox “Tries are nice, but making the finals is nicer.” qld and brumbies had to stick to a gameplan that would likely be most successful for them. as they say in NFL offense wins games . defense wins championships.
nz cant afford to not play expansive, being a small country its vital that the next generation gets inspired and when they get to the top they have the ball skills and mentality to inspire the next generation.
brumbies and qld dont have that culture. but just because they have a different style doesnt mean that they cant win the finals. all depends on the day and which team fronts.
for all the NZ teams “superior” (i say that tounge in cheek) ball running and handling skills they still lose games. defense may be boring but its the cornerstone and difference of a good team vs a great team.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:25am
Bakkies said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Brumbies don’t have that culture? The Brumbies unreal attacking Rugby from 1996 to 2004. In the past few years we were hamstrung by poor attacking coaches now Larkham is getting us back to where we should be. When I was growing up the Reds played forward oriented Rugby and the Tahs attacking Rugby. The Tahs couldn’t put it together due to their lack of quality 9s and 10s. In the early years of Super 12 the Reds found scoring 4 try bonus points a chore despite having an unbelievable backline (Horan, Latho, Tune, Herbert, D Smith, etc) whereas the Brumbies scored bonus points for fun. Attacking Rugby wasn’t in the Reds DNA and they only really started to cut loose when Cooper had his breakthrough season.
If you wanted to watch defenceless basketball style footy you might as well stick to watching AFL with its 100 point scorelines.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:32am
mania said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
sorry bakkies. your correct . forgetten the brumbies entire season after watching them play tahs in the weekend.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:37am
Bakkies said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:37am | Report comment
Most teams play dour Rugby against the Tahs as they suck you in to the type of Rugby. Only the Canes really punish their loose kicking, lack of fitness and dumb breakdown work.
I still find it hard to fathom that the Reds couldn’t win the Super 12 with that squad. Their pack was quality too (Connors, Foley, Eales, Kefu, Wilson, Cockbain). Imagine what Horan, Latham and Tune would have done running off Larkham at Super 12 level.
July 11th 2012 @ 9:18pm
jeznez said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
agree there was no need for that Reds team to have played as conservatively as they did – excellent pack and even better backs.
July 11th 2012 @ 6:14pm
jeznez said | July 11th 2012 @ 6:14pm | Report comment
liquor box, that is a fair point but I’m worried that they are going to repeat the dose this weekend and that is a mistake. Below is a quote from McKenzie from the rugbyheaven website:
“to start with the four tries and work backwards usually ends in tears”
Tt may well end in tears but winning without the four tries this weekend will also end in tears – his team have to go out and have a crack from the outset and get the four tries.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:05am
Sailosi said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:05am | Report comment
Please try to refrain from stereotyping Japanese players. I checked their world cup squad and there was no player under 5 feet. I would also suggest that they would all be as competent as you were in defence.
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July 11th 2012 @ 7:11am
BigAl said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:11am | Report comment
“…unless it’s all about the money?”
This guy CAMPO is a genius !!
July 11th 2012 @ 7:17am
biltongbek said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
I listened to Campo when he commentated on the sideline of the Stormers match and you could hear the disappointment in his voice when he spoke about the methodology of the Stormers.
I understand his point of view, and when you look at the sharks they knew they had to score four tries vs the bulls after their shock defeat agianst the Lions. so yes, some teams have it and others don’t.
The stormers have a different philosophy, win and don’t worry about the 4 try bonus point.
The stormers biggest problem in my view is JDV at 12, he isn’t a distributor, then Juan de Jongh next to him is even worse.
When you look at the tries being scored this season, even quick rucks aren’t always enough to breach defences, you have to now keep the ball moving, offload in the tackle, with a support runner hitting the space at speed.
I am not sure, but I would think that these have been fewer tries scored all round this season, could be wrong but that is my perception.
I think defences have improved.
Even when you look at the Crusaders, their appraoch is score 3 points until you lead by 10, only then do they have enough confidence to go all out for the try, it happened in their last few matches.
Only if they get a runaway start do they go for gold with little regard to 3 pointers.
July 11th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Kuruki said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Yeah, sometimes i think attitude will only get you so far then you actually need the cattle to play and execute that open style of game. If you go for the hard running tunnel vision centers your ball is going to come to a halt in the midfield. Same thing happened with the Wallabies. Canes are the complete opposite, they have two distributors in the midfield and that is why there back 3 have had all the glory this year, they may not dominate in defence but they dominate in attack. Hence there position on the table, they have not quite got that balance between both.
All teams should base their game style on what suits the players they have, not on what anyone else is doing. If the Hurricanes tried to play a game like the Stormers they would be dreadful. If the Stormers tried to play like the Canes they would be moving the ball away from their strengths which is a big pack.
IMO the teams that are successful are the ones who have the ability to foot it no matter what the game becomes. Crusaders can play both tight and expansive. The Bulls can also when they want. Chiefs for the most part of this year have also had the ability to play open and tight rugby effectively. The Tahs strength is there pack, they actually do have the backs to play expansive but chose not to. When you are really dominant in one facet of play i think it can be enough to get you up near the top end of the ladder, but when you get to the finals and those other good teams can match you in that one area, then more often then not they will punish you in the other.
The Brumbies had the ability early when Lealifano was fit to play the expansive game, but it has become less effective since, hence they have chosen to go back to the pack.
The reds missed the creativity of Cooper all season and they would have scored a ton more tries had he been fit.
I don’t think the Crusaders chose to do the slow accumulation as a first choice tactic, it is just the way the cookie crumbled in terms of what the opposition let them do. In tight games you always take the 3 when on offer.
I am not so sure the direction the Australian Super teams are heading and weather there will be an influx of exciting backs to turn the tide back to open exciting rugby, but i do feel once the Wallabies get the core of their backline fit , Cooper Occoner Beale Ioane Mitchell Genia AAC Barnes i think the right selection from Deans will reignite the ability and passion to play that open expansive and more importantly confident positive rugby.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:49pm
biltongbek said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:49pm | Report comment
“When you are really dominant in one facet of play i think it can be enough to get you up near the top end of the ladder, but when you get to the finals and those other good teams can match you in that one area, then more often then not they will punish you in the other.”
That is 100% correct. I’ve advocated many times that the Bulls and Stormers are good enough to win most games, but their limitations is what prevents them dominating all teams.
Running rugby is not the be all and end all fo those teams, however it does make them predictable.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:21am
Charging Rhino said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:21am | Report comment
Try Scored Stats 2012 Super Rugby:
1) Hurricanes 55
2) Bulls 46
3) Chiefs 44
4) Tied Sharks & Crusaders 43
6) Brumbies 40
Reds a long way down on 33 tries
And Stormers in stone cold last 15th position on 26 tries
What does these stats tell you? Squat All. Stormers have won the most amount of games than any other side -13 and are 1 point behind Chiefs in 2nd place on the log and probably consistently draw the biggests crowds in Cape Town.
Hurricanes are in 8th position and will probably not qualify.
Conclusion: Tries do not win games or attract crowds or ensure you make the playoffs. Winning does.
End of.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:32am
Bakkies said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
To me it tells you a bit about the personnel and philosophy of each team. The Canes love unstructured broken field running. The Brumbies beat them at their own game and got a crucial bonus point to take home. Stuff them in the forwards and don’t kick the ball to them.
The Bulls cop flack for their game plan but they still score tries. Their try count is no doubt padded by their results against the Reds and Cheetahs.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:35am
mania said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:35am | Report comment
hahaha bakkies. u see it as i do. for all the great work that hammett has done with the canes they’re still the same old canes. i wouldnt have it any other way. ok they dont have many finals under their belt but they are awesome to watch when on song.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:49am
Bakkies said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
The Canes have also gone without Cory Jane for most of the season. One of the most dangerous counterrattackers and broken field runners in the game. They have never had a decent tight five. They pick good back rowers to complement their backline. When Super Rugby wasn’t as tight as it now in terms of forward play and defence not having a good flyhalf really hurt the Canes.
July 11th 2012 @ 8:22am
mania said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
bakkies – agree about the decent tight5. has always been an issue for canes. though have to say that the current props have the goods to become awesome veterans. coles isnt an ideal hooker imo but saying that there are easily worse hookers out there.
locks, eaton has always been cagey at best for me but this season has really stepped up and become mrConsistent and has been playing good reliable foot ball. not everyone can be a dynamic try scorer and some players have to do the hard work. for me eaton is tirelessly doing the hard work with no glory. thrush needs to concentrate more on hardwork instead of glory.
janes has been a big loss but as leiua is a decent backup the loss hasnt been that great. the loss of perenara is a bigger loss as our only backup is chrisEaton, and he’s just a mistake waiting to happen. bring back piri i say. he’d make an awesome backup to perenara
July 11th 2012 @ 8:00am
Charging Rhino said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
Yep the Bulls have scored the 2nd most amount of tries on 46. Yet apparently they play “boring, kicking away possession and try milk a penalty for Morne to kick over” rugby? Well they may box kick and kick for territory but they certainly score lots of tries, which apparently to most Aussies is what “exciting” rugby is all about and supposedly inspires the younger generation and draws the crowds, so I can’t understand the flak they get because the stats seemingly show they play positive rugby. They’ve scored 46 tries! Well they need to score tries to win with Morne’s current kicking stats.
Anyway what do I care, I’m a Sharks supporter
And they opened up a can of some serious ass whooping on Saturday. I like the Reds too.
It’s first and foremost exciting when your team starts winning, this brings the supporters to the game. Thereafter, Yes it’s nice if they start scoring lots of tries whilst winning. But a drop-kick can be just as exciting as a well worked try, often harder to do and work it as a together as a team for the perfect field position. If it was so easy there’d by far more drop-kicks …. Right?
July 11th 2012 @ 10:59am
Galaxy Hop said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
“But a drop-kick can be just as exciting as a well worked try”, spoken like a true Saffa
July 11th 2012 @ 4:51pm
biltongbek said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
It seems Carter has been converted.
July 11th 2012 @ 9:44am
soapit said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
they might not win games or ensure you make the playoffs but the do ensure your crowds stick around if you happen to go through a period when ur not winning. people will tolerate dour winning rugby but law of averages says in a 15 team comp youre eventually gonna have a rough season and ask nsw how long fans will stick around with dour losing rugby.
maybe its just an aus problem with crowds in nz and sa turning up to their religion regardless.
July 11th 2012 @ 3:10pm
Jeff said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
What a load of bulls..t.
Have a look at the crowds the Blues have been getting in Auckland this year.I think I read that at one of the most recent games they got under 10,000.
Kiwis won’t go along to watch crap teams play crap football.
July 11th 2012 @ 5:59pm
soapit said | July 11th 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
well i did say maybe. was more just saying i dont know much about the kiwi and saffer crowd culture and was limiting to the area i knew something about.
considering i feel i was specifically saying i didnt know about kiwi crowds seems a bit harsh to describe this non opinion as a load of bs. something sure seems to have fired you up though so i apologise for whatever it was
July 11th 2012 @ 8:08pm
IvanN said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:08pm | Report comment
Pretoria, Cape Town, Durban – consistently over 45,000
I think the SA crowds are bigger than NZ ?
July 11th 2012 @ 8:34pm
biltongbek said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:34pm | Report comment
Ivan I think we value rugby as whole differently to other nations, provincial rivalry is very healthy here and our competitive nature means we support our teams strongly.
Some have mentioned Kiw teams muct play entertaining rugby to draw crowds.
But I suppose entertainment is viewed differently by different people, we love a hard tough forward battle as much as we love an open run to the try line.
Sometimes I think too much is made of which style of play draws crowds, it certainly makes no difference what style of play you play in SA.
For us the win is of utmost importance.
July 12th 2012 @ 6:26am
soapit said | July 12th 2012 @ 6:26am | Report comment
there is good and bad forward play though. endless pick and drives which take 30 seconds to set up and make zero metres makes you question what ur watching.
i dont mind forward play as long as there is a point (ie making ground). if a team can succeed this way then great, i can appreciate a game played that way.
the other thing i’m against is teams that rely on the other team having the ball as their major strategy for getting points. against the spirit of sport in my opinion.
July 12th 2012 @ 3:41pm
AWCMONREF said | July 12th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Whats wrong with winning with a bit of panache, granted the ABs beating Ireland 60 to Nil a bit over the top but some of the Kiwi derbies are brutal, hard running,, try scoring games, which are also very entertaining to watch, keeps fans on the edge of their seats and you just don’t know who’s going to win……
July 11th 2012 @ 10:22am
liquorbox_ said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
I think the Reds have the second least amount of Penalty conversions, and they have a great kicker, so they must not be choosing the goal option as often as thought
July 12th 2012 @ 3:33am
Pot Hale said | July 12th 2012 @ 3:33am | Report comment
Interesting stats on tries scored.
As a comparison, albeit they played more matches, Leicester topped the Aviva with 70 tries across 22 matches, and Ulster topped the Pro 12 with 53 tries, and Toulouse scored 56 across 26 games.
July 11th 2012 @ 7:29am
Jack said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
Campo has to talk about scoring tries – there’s no highlight real of his bone crunching defence. The Brumbies game had me on the edge of my seat, but then I cared about the result.
July 11th 2012 @ 8:21am
Johnno said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
-What does Campo want super rugby going back to the days when it was touch footy in style, scores like 55-50, or 45-40, give me a break. And no set piece football. Well hello rugby league why don’t you take up rugby league Campo you may as well as you seem to deathride set pieces and making it an effort to score a try rather than touch footy style rugby.
-And another thing about kicking Campo doesn’t ever mention. Anyone who knows rugby and has seen campo play a lot or in highlights reels will know Campo was a massive kicker.
-He had a massive boot on him frans stein style but not as big. No one kicks as big as big old Frans stein.
-Campo would do massive kicks from his own 22m, massive high bals and bombs in the air chip kicks, heck he was kicking all the tme in rugby to help his team. Kicking was a major part of campo’s tactics.
-So campo kicks a lot and if he doesn’t say he endorse’s kicking or kick athon in other players, well if you look on a highlights real on campo’s career you can see he kicked a massive amount of the time. Why do you think Campo was a full back first wing 2nd and played a large amount of his wallaby career at fullback. Because he had a massive boot.
-Also Mark Ella scored more field goals than tries in his wallaby career too ill add that as well.
July 11th 2012 @ 10:19am
sheek said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Johnno,
Your last sentence is non-sensical – “Also Mark Ella scored more field goals than tries in his Wallaby career…..”
Ella’s job as a flyhalf was to get the backline going, to setup tries for his outside backs. This was his primary job.
His secondary job was to be an opportunist & kick a field goal when it was obvious nothing else was “on”.
A flyhalf is NOT a primary try scorer in a rugby team. Nor should he be. So your statement makes no sense at all.
And Johnno,
Like a lot of other people, you’re in such a hurry to stick the knife into Campo because you don’t like him, you totally misread what he’s saying.
For him to question the inability of Aussie teams to score tries is perfectly legit, because it’s true – Aussie teams struggle to score tries in the same way as our Kiwi cousins.
Nowhere is Campo suggesting scorelines of 55-50. What he is suggesting, in fact saying, is that Aussie teams either don’t have the skills, or don’t trust their skills.
Where do you get that idea of 55-50 scorelines from??? That’s your interpretation, not his!
Yes, Campo did kick frequently, for two reasons. One, he usually kicked with purpose & effectively. two, he kicked for variety to keep the defence double-guessing. But he also ran the ball a lot. Defences rarely knew what he would do.
Which is all why he is one of the all-time greats……….
July 11th 2012 @ 10:27am
mania said | July 11th 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
i remember watcing aus play argentina in aus one time. puma’s were parked on the aus line for a long time, a good 5 minutes, bashing away at the aus d line. ball came loose and it got passed to campo, who was either on his goal line or close to it. campo booted the leather off it, sailed into puma’s 22, one bounce and went out only just missing the corner flag. u could see the puma’s hearts breaking each step walking all the way back to their goal line.
campo will always be a legend
July 11th 2012 @ 12:13pm
Johnno said | July 11th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Johnno the problem with Campo is this . He makes so many sweeping attacks and statements and hyperboles, yet he is no better. A hypocrite at times. Maybe he should check is facts before getting up about the code and check his own record. I like campo sort off but he does annoy me at times with his various hypocrisies, maybe i misunderstand him, and yes your right on his definition of running rugby. He doesn’t want touch footy style shorelines 55-50 with defence resembling touch footy.
And ella was a fly half not a winger and is a disrubutor.
Campo had great vision in rugby and did a lot but he did kick with a co-ordinated plan not just aimless box kicks like willy genia or aimless kicking like KBeale or Quade cooper.
But sometimes Campo give me the energy that he doesn’t codeine kicking when he did a hell of a lot him self in playing career sheek.
July 11th 2012 @ 3:57pm
Dexter William said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
Common, you just dislike Campo.
Campo speaks his mind unlike some ex-wallabies who tends to be more diplomatic – afraid of offending their peers.
Despite all the “bad” you find in Campo, he still rates as the best Winger of all time.
Like it or not, his posts are always a good read. In this one, I must agree that he is right and you are not.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:15pm
Kuruki said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:15pm | Report comment
Johnno, are you saying that Australia does not have the ability to play an all round positive style of rugby effectively?. Why does positive running rugby have to come with a big touch scoreline?. Did you not watch the Crusaders vs Chiefs game? it was tight all the way to the death, yet both teams played a positive attacking style of rugby and it was brilliant to watch.
There is positive kicking and negative kicking. Barnes was guilty of plenty of negative kicking during the season for the Tahs. Ball which should have been used to set up counter attacks was kicked away. Yes NZ teams kick plenty of ball but how often do they kick when there is a genuine opportunity to run the ball? not very often at all.
I understand why Campo is frustrated with Aussie rugby at the moment, heck i am also and i’m a Kiwi. The games are not as exciting for a neutral anymore, there is not the exciting flair of the likes of Cooper Beale and Oconner their is not enough of it on show to make me watch an Aussie derby where i genuinely have no preference over who wins. I find myself watching League games instead of the Aussie derby and that’s not meant as a dig, it is just telling it how it is at the moment.
IMO there is a real lack of confidence about some of the regular big name Aussie backs, those who are playing with it are standing out. Allot of it has to do with niggling injuries, and the fact that with those key players Beale JOC Cooper being hampered by injury this year their fellow backs have not been able to feed off the excitement and confidence these guys ooze when they are on song.