Rugby history: Maroon-hearted Waratah refused to play Reds
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The Reds-Waratahs meet in rugby battle on Saturday for the 294th time – the most played match-up of any top level football in Australia. Is the rivalry between NSW and Queensland in rugby still flourishing in the professional era?
Making comparisons with league’s Origin is unavoidable, but it is a long forgotten fact that the “Blues vs Maroons” annual series first became part of our winter sporting nomenclature in 1890s rugby.
After dabbling in various jersey colours through the 1880s (the first series was in 1882), by 1895 the two state rugby teams settled on their now traditional colours – in the popular press and amongst the sports-minded public the Queenslanders were styled “the Maroons” and NSW “the Blues”.
When league began in 1908 its state teams mirrored these colours and established its own annual series, which eventually gave rise to State of Origin.
It’s no revelation to anyone that the NSW and Queensland sides in Super Rugby are essentially now clubs, no longer representative teams – players can and are sourced and contracted from far beyond their state borders.
A prominent example of one of the early imported players to wear the Waratahs jersey, without ever having first played for a NSW club, was Jason Little in 1999. The following season he became NSW captain.
Of course, Queenslanders moving south and later being selected for NSW to play against their home state is no rare occurrence, extending back to the 1880s. Many young rugby players came to Sydney as a consequence of Queensland not having a University to complete studies and gain qualifications.
The story of one young man is worth recounting – Harry Abbott – a name that went unrivalled as the best outside back ever seen in Australian rugby, until the arrival of Dally Messenger. ‘The Referee’ wrote in 1907 of Messenger: “No New South Wales player since the days of Henry Abbott has ever shown such form in the centre three-quarter position.”
Abbott had moved down from Brisbane in 1891 to study law at Sydney University. He was already well-known as a schoolboy rugby star with Brisbane Grammar, playing against NSW (at the age of 14) in 1887. Two years later he played for Queensland against the New Zealand Maori and NSW. He was still a student when he came to Sydney in 1890 as a key member of the Queensland side for the annual series against NSW.
In 1891 Abbott arrived at Sydney University and naturally joined the rugby club. From then until retiring in 1897 he forged a career that was long revered by those that recalled him in action.
‘The Sydney Mail’ wrote towards the end of this playing days, Abbott “is admitted on all sides to be the finest rugby footballer in New South Wales. His superior has probably never been seen in Australia, not even excepting the best of the powerful 1888 English [British] team or the famous [1888/89]Maori combination.”
“He is a powerfully built well-proportioned man, standing over 6ft, remarkably quick on his legs, cool as a cucumber, and best of all he is thoroughly acquainted with the finer points of the game.”
“lt usually takes three opponents, or two at least, to stop Abbott when once fairly started, for his dodging and feinting tactics are superb. He has a habit too of kicking goals from the field with astonishing precision.”
A look at Abbott’s c.v. shows he was regularly selected for NSW against New Zealand and Victoria through the 1890s, including as captain. What is intriguingly noticeable though is his name only appears once for NSW against Queensland – in Brisbane in 1891.
At the end of his rookie season (1891) in Sydney the young Abbott opted to break his studies and return home for a short visit. At the same time, NSW were to sail to Brisbane to play the series against Queensland. Abbott taunted the NSW players that he would meet them on the rugby field, determined to take his place for Brisbane Grammars against NSW during the tour.
In the opening game though the Queenslanders held NSW to a surprise 9-all draw. Fearing an embarrassing lost series, the NSW manager and senior players called upon Abbott to play for his adopted state [colony] in the return match. Abbott agreed to join the NSW team, but refused to play against or for Grammars in the intervening mid-week game.
Though Abbott played well for NSW in the match against Queensland, the home side routed the visitors 11-0. Far from a pleasant experience of playing against friends, Abbott found the whole experience difficult to stomach. He vowed to never play for NSW against Queensland again.
‘The Sydney Mail’ explaining that “A native of Queensland, Abbott’s patriotism prevents him from taking the field against his colony in representative matches, “ and that “as each subsequent winter brought with it the inter-colonial contests he religiously held aloof.”
Abbott retired after injuring his ankle against New Zealand in 1897. He had stuck true to his word, forsaking five series worth of opportunities to wear the sky blue of NSW against Queensland.
The only player that threatened to displace Abbott atop the rugby popularity totem before the arrival of Messenger, was Stephen ‘Lonnie’ Spragg, a side-stepping centre/winger who starred for Australia in the 1899 Test series against the British Lions. Like Messenger, he was also a prodigious goal kicker.
In the summer of 1899/1900 Spragg moved to Rockhampton in Queensland. Sydney’s ‘The Referee’ sports newspaper wrote: “It will be a great pity if such a fine player as Spragg be unavailable for [NSW] this year’s inter-colonial matches. Even though residing in Rockhampton I am of the opinion he should play for NSW. The time has arrived, I think, for the observance of [such] a qualification for players in inter-colonial matches.”
While the journalist and many in NSW rugby were genuinely pining for Spragg to appear in the light-blue jersey, they were equally fearful of seeing him in maroon colours – concerns that were well-founded, for Spragg amassed 70 points for Queensland between 1900 and 1902, as he led his new state to a strong period of success against NSW. Despite the hammering from Spragg, the state’s continued to select teams based on residency.
Today, held within the tos and fros of the Super Rugby draw and operating as club teams, the Reds-Waratahs contests perhaps don’t exude the same love-hate relationship they once did.
NSW and Queensland continue to provide the bulk of Australia’s rugby players, but whether the opportunity and desire for a one-off Origin-style Reds vs Waratahs game exists seems unlikely.
Still, the concept of calling players back is not untested, indeed the Home Nations teams have always operated in that manner when choosing players, and aside from the the Wallabies and All Blacks, most national teams now do too.
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July 11th 2012 @ 12:49pm
Brett McKay said | July 11th 2012 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
more SF gold!! Thanks once again, Sean, yuo truly spoil us with these history lessons..
And how good would be to have a specialised sports newspaper like ‘The Referee’?!?
July 11th 2012 @ 1:43pm
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 11th 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Cheers Brett. Yeah, The Referee was out every Wednesday & was pretty much the only place you could get some decent coverage of what happened the past week. The only alternative was go to the game. The Monday dailies gave a few pars to club games, maybe a column for a rep fixture, but that was all. Partly explains why crowds were sometimes very big – 52,000 for Waratahs v All Blacks at SCG in 1907 – if you didn’t go, all you could do was read the newspaper or listen to a re-telling from someone that did go. For the first generations of rugby, history was handed along the line via oral tradition and oral lore. Now a player’s entire first class career is on video, available across the globe & in your hand at any time, as well as archived.
July 11th 2012 @ 1:49pm
p.Tah said | July 11th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Great read Sean. Is there any video footage of Daly Messenger when he played?
July 11th 2012 @ 2:17pm
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 11th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Sadly none is known to exist. I did find mentions that the 1907 Waratahs v All Blacks game referred to above was filmed for a theatre highlights reel, but it is long gone to dust. Probably more chance of something being found in UK from during the 1908/09 tour, but none to date. I’ve seen colour footage (about 5 seconds worth taken on a hand held camera) of him in early 1950s kicking off a British Lions (RL) tour game in country NSW, but that’s all.
You can however hear DallyM speak from a late 1940s ABC radio interview here > http://soundcloud.com/abc-grandstand/dally-messenger-package
July 11th 2012 @ 3:39pm
p.Tah said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
Thanks Sean. Off topic, but I understand Trumper and Giltinan lured Messenger away from RU. Why were they kicked out by the NSWRL in 1909?
July 11th 2012 @ 4:01pm
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
@ p.Tah – obviously detailed in The Rugby Rebellion http://jottingsonrugby.wordpress.com/books/ but Giltinan (secretary), Hoyle (president) & Trumper (treasurer) were basically a power to themselves when the NSWRL was founded in Aug 1907.
A NSWRL management committee was founded in early 1908 after the district clubs were established, and each sent two reps to be on the committee, but the understanding was they would always vote as Giltinan/Hoyle wished them to, for the first few years as Giltinan in particular had bankrolled the NSWRL & wasn’t going to hand control to the NSWRL management committee until he got a return on the investment or at least his money back.
However, much of the drive towards league’s birth here had come from the district RU clubs under the NSWRU, who wanted more power to run the game & wanted to share the profits from rep RU football. Like the RU players, the RU clubs got very little from the NSWRU.
The NSWRL copied the same structure (in other words the disgruntled people who ran the district RU clubs established the district RL clubs), but as noted above, the clubs weren’t immediately to get that power. By early 1909 the clubs had got tired of waiting to take control, wanted a share of gate money made from the 1908 season, and voted Giltinan, Hoyle & Trumper out of office.
The district clubs were something similar in design & sentiment to Labor branches. Then, as now, the clubs wanted the power & say over the game. You could say the dishing of the three founders was democracy at work! Still, it was a bit ungrateful too!
July 11th 2012 @ 4:54pm
p.Tah said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
Thanks. I’ve been meaning to get a copy of your book. I’ll have to now!
July 11th 2012 @ 9:56pm
p.Tah said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:56pm | Report comment
Just listen to the audio clip. Not what I thought Dally would have sounded like. He sounds a bit like Don Bradman. Must have been the sportsman’s speakers voice of the time. Love how he comments that today’s players (1949) aren’t as good as the players in his day (1910)! Something’s never change. How many ex-players say that.
Nice to hear what you sound like as well.
July 12th 2012 @ 8:30am
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 12th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
@ p.Tah. Cheers. Loved DallyM saying path to success is to follow “clean living”! Not all in modern sport have adopted that model.
July 11th 2012 @ 1:02pm
Johnno said | July 11th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
-love it if rugby brought back a 3 game a year or 1 game a year state of origin rugby by birth.
-All the tahs
-Berrick barnes, drew mitchell, rocky elsom, nathan gray, jason little, would play for the reds.
-And men like Beau robinson, would play for the blues. And digby Ioane born in NZ but raised in Victoria could play for the vics.
July 11th 2012 @ 1:55pm
formeropenside said | July 11th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
By schoolboy rugby is probably better.
Not even SOO does it by “birth”.
July 11th 2012 @ 2:09pm
Jutsie said | July 11th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
lol ur just saying that cos u want diggs and taps to play for qld instead of vics. SOO is done by the first club u played for as a junior so digs and taps would still be part of the vic squad by that rule.
If it was done by birth elsom would be in vic squad and mckenzie could be coach lol.
July 11th 2012 @ 3:11pm
Brett McKay said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
and Jutsie, that’s precisely why a rugby SOO will never get off the ground, there’s too many quality player now who wouldn’t be eligible for NSW or Qld..
Johnno, thought they might be fitter than Rocky Elsom currently, I would be surprised to the extreme if Nathan Gray and Jason Little lined up in such a game!
July 11th 2012 @ 3:26pm
Johnno said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:26pm | Report comment
I can be extreme Brett . or i can be a clown. But yes would be extreme if those old geezers turned up and played. And sharpie is a QLDnder not a WA boy. The nathan sharpe hill at ballymore.
July 11th 2012 @ 3:35pm
p.Tah said | July 11th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
I love RL SOO, but the concept is owned by Rugby League now. If rugby attempted it it would be a poor imitation. If Rugby wants it’s own show piece it needs to find something else. I think the Bledisloe is Australia’s ( and NZs) annual show piece. We just need to become more competitive.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:15pm
formeropenside said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:15pm | Report comment
Actually, he’s from Wagga in NSW, although started playing rugby at TSS. Still, given that, its not surprising he left no real loyalty to Queensland and went to the West back in 2005.
I hope there is never a Sharpe hill after he snubbed it.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:13pm
formeropenside said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:13pm | Report comment
Taps was born in Brisbane, actually. Check your facts please.
July 11th 2012 @ 4:30pm
Jutsie said | July 11th 2012 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
I said if it went by which club you first played for like in SOO he would be vic.
As he first played for box hill in the VRU juniors.
Check your facts and read my entire comment please.
July 11th 2012 @ 1:44pm
Father Time said | July 11th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Thanks Sean great read once again.
July 11th 2012 @ 2:07pm
D Maaga said | July 11th 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
that must have been something back then having nsw and grown men playing against brisbane grammar for those schoolboys.
July 11th 2012 @ 2:31pm
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 11th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
@ D Maaga. You’re right, though I should have clarified it was a “Past & Present” team – so there were a few old hands in there! In Sydney the Kings School played in the 1870s first grade for a long time too.
July 11th 2012 @ 5:15pm
sheek said | July 11th 2012 @ 5:15pm | Report comment
Thanks again Sean – you are an inspiration to me to learn more about my favourite sports.
The more you learn, the more realise how little you actually know!
BTW, State-of-Origin should never be considered for rugby union.
While it works outstandingly well for rugby league, it’s based on an entirely flimsy premise. That is, that the underdog – Queensland – will win more often than the big guy – NSW.
And if no-one believes me, just wait until NSW win 3 or 4 series (not 6 or 7) on the trot, just 3 or 4 on the trot. Then we’ll be hearing about how the concept is severely flawed & on its knees…..!
July 11th 2012 @ 9:24pm
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:24pm | Report comment
@ Thanks Sheek. You are right about Origin & we’ve already seen it happen. There were “death of Origin” articles & comments made in 2005 after NSW had just won its 3rd series in a row, with a 30+ win in G3 of 2005. In the G3 decider of 2006 NSW were ahead & within 8 minutes reach of 4 series in a row, which almost certainly would’ve cause a serious drop in interest in Origin plus club CEOs/coaches exerting influence on players choices – but the Maroons got two late tries, won the game & series, and the next 6 after that.
July 11th 2012 @ 5:58pm
kovana said | July 11th 2012 @ 5:58pm | Report comment
Wonderful article Sean!
July 11th 2012 @ 7:08pm
JohnB said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:08pm | Report comment
Sean, great read as always. Do you think he was really 14 when playing NSW, or might it have been a sort of Pakistani cricket type 14?
July 11th 2012 @ 9:14pm
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:14pm | Report comment
@ JohnB. I’m satisfied he was 14 & in the team – the 1887 match was a mixed team of current & past students, covered in the newspapers (with team lists) & he was placed in the backs (much safer!). He didn’t come to Sydney University until 1891, so an enrolment age of 18 or so fits well.
July 13th 2012 @ 1:21pm
JohnB said | July 13th 2012 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
Thanks Sean. I’ve read in connection with Australian Rules footbal in Melbourne in the late 19th century that very good players would stay at school to 20/21 before being forced to leave. A 14 year old – no matter how gifted – against adults (and acknowledging that time were different then, with most boys that age not at school, and many already working in manual jobs) in rugby is such a mis-match, I wondered whether this was a bit of age tampering to keep him eligible at school as long as possible. Wouldn’t put it past Brisbane Grammar!
July 11th 2012 @ 7:15pm
jeznez said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:15pm | Report comment
great stuff Sean – brilliant as always
July 11th 2012 @ 7:33pm
Handles said | July 11th 2012 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
Great article Sean. A quick question, a couple of time you refer to “Brisbane Grammars” as plural. Was the team from Brisbane Grammar School, or did it represent all the Grammar Schools? (Noting your “past and present” clarification).
July 11th 2012 @ 9:08pm
RugbyDiehards.com said | July 11th 2012 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
@ Handles. No, just the Brisbane Grammar school. The only three in existence at the time were Toowoomba, Ipswich and Brisbane. They all swung over to rugby in late 1880s, primarily at the insistence of the boys – knowing that serves to illustrate the nonsense of the Aust rules clan’s theory that a meeting of “Independent Schools headmasters” in 1887 agreed by just one vote to switch to rugby, and Aust rules as a result lost all of Qld – there was no “Independent Schools” group, there were just three senior schools in existence, and not any collective vote to do anything. 19th century history of rugby in Qld > http://jottingsonrugby.wordpress.com/rugby-in-australia/rugby-in-queensland/
July 11th 2012 @ 8:10pm
Geoff Brisbane now California said | July 11th 2012 @ 8:10pm | Report comment
Great article and the amazing sagas and characters involved are all colourful. Thanks Sean and well put together.