What we can learn from England
By The Crowd, 15 Jul 2012 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
England batsman Alistair Cook celebrates reaching 200 runs on day five of the first Ashes test. AAP Image/Dave Hun
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After the four-nil drubbing the Australian cricket team were handed by England in the recent ODI series, it would be easy to put this embarrassing humiliation down to the fact that our players lack ‘mongrel’.
It would be equally easy to dismiss the series as meaningless.
The fact is the losses had nothing to do with anyone not having enough ‘mongrel’ and the losses were unfortunately extremely meaningful.
So what should we say and do?
If we are smart, we will admit that we are currently inferior to England to the point of embarrassment. If we are smart we should use these losses to learn some valuable lessons.
Indeed we can learn a lot from the way England are dominating us at cricket and perhaps now sport in general. We need to lose our passionate patriotic demeanour that will not allow us to make such a humiliating admission.
Much like when we lost the rugby World Cup in 2003 and much like the fact that at the upcoming Olympics we will not win as many medals as Great Britain, we need to recognise a shift in dominance in sporting endeavours between the old dart and us, if we haven’t already done so.
We need to completely put to bed the ideology that our children come out of the womb with an inherited ability to take screamers in the gully and that English babies come out whinging about all the things that ‘poms’ whinge about.
This seemingly is no longer true, if it ever was.
One thing we can learn from England is that to their credit, they recognised in the 90s that they were the inferior of the two nations at most sports.
They knew that their Olympic teams needed a boost and so they funded their athletes with money made from the national lottery and they set up the same style of academies that Australia had through the AIS. Clearly they are now reaping the benefits from these changes. We will see in London 2012 that Australia has deteriorated so much that it is sending its smallest team to the Olympics in two decades.
Another example of this shift is in rugby. In the 90s, the English realised that they were losing the fight to have any chance at winning rugby world cups when in the southern hemisphere players were essentially becoming professional. They knew they couldn’t win by staying amateur and in this realisation the RFU changed the game that had remained amateur for one hundred and seventy odd years to become a fully professional one almost over night. They couldn’t beat ‘em so they joined ‘em
And with the emergence in the 90s of McGrath, Gilchrist and Warne and the like, England realised that they needed to start copying what Australia was doing in cricket as well. We had the cricket academy with Rod Marsh producing super stars, so England made Rod Marsh an offer he couldn’t refuse and hired him to lead their own academy in 2001. By 2005 they had won back the Ashes.
They also realised that they needed to improve their domestic game in order to create their own Sheffield Shield type of elite competition and went to a premier division in county cricket. This has made their domestic competition now arguably the best in the world.
They have a propensity to want to learn from those that are better.
It is time that we started to look to England for what to do next in cricket as they once did with us and perhaps in sport in general.
But for now let us stick with cricket.
It is curious that even though they invented it, England have not allowed the Twenty20 circus to infiltrate their Test or one-day side or psyche. They have not hero worshipped a ‘Warner’ and put him in to face the new ball at the 50 over or Test cricket arena. They have seen the emergence of players that could set new standards in one-day play but they play them where they are not a liability to good new ball bowling i.e. down the order.
Generally they have persisted with picking their best top order cricketers in both ODIs and Tests, (insisting that only Strauss their test captain miss the one-day games to prolong his more important Test career). Interestingly, they have not allowed Pietersen to pick and choose which of the one-day format he misses because he has not earned that right. We can learn from them on how they handled this despite much public outcry.
The English and Wales Cricket Board and selectors have sent out the message that they still know what is best for their national side. They will not be bowing to pressure from fans and they certainly will not pick fickle fan favourites to come out blazing at the top of the order.
They still consider the true fan the more important ticket buyer. He is the more sustainable fan that they need to keep happy and he wants to see top class cricketers play top class innings.
The Australian Cricket Board and Selectors on the other hand are trying to keep Mr Fickle Fan happy. He is the one that they see is key to prolonged financial success and he, ladies and gentleman, wants to see cheap thrills.
Our selectors should forget about appealing to the fickle fan. Instead they should be critiquing for example David Warner’s batting position in the team no matter how unpopular that would be. The odd blazing hundred won’t change the fact that Warner is technically inept and destined to average a mediocre 30 odd as a Test and one-day opener.
Everybody in cricket circles, at least in the UK, knows this to be true so why are we investing so much time and effort in players like this at the top of the order? Surely if he is to play Test cricket at all he needs to come in at a sensible no. six and perhaps in the ODIs as well. Lower down the order is where he could be more effective and less of a liability to the new ball.
We should be playing our most technically correct players at the top of the order like England. We should be requiring our domestic game to produce players in the ilk of Cook and Trott with their rock solid dependable techniques. We should not be producing top order players in the ilk of Warner or Hughes with their dodgy techniques. We used to produce quality top order players but our demand for the flamboyant flat track bullies is seemingly costing us dearly.
There are so many technical differences evident in comparison of the two top orders. Theirs rarely move their front feet across the line of middle stump ensuring they are balanced and not at risk of LBW or unnecessary edges. This also ensures that they play through the line. Ours walk across their stumps too much to play through the on-side and in English conditions that is tantamount to suicide.
Theirs can handle a swinging, seaming ball by playing less flamboyantly and relying on ones and twos to keep the score board ticking. Ours can’t handle any movement of the wicket at all apart from trying to slog their way out of it or by completely shutting up shop.
Theirs can manipulate spin bowling with the threat of playing sweep shots all day long. Ours, apart from Mike Hussey and to a lesser extent Clarke, lack the skill to sweep for historic Aussie macho reasons, which allows opposition spin bowlers to dictate terms more often than not. We need to be coaching our kids from a young age to sweep spin bowling!
We must learn from their domestic set up. We can do this by contracting more overseas players to play Shield cricket to make it more competitive and more of an indicator of class. We should also be allowing more of our young talent to spend time playing county cricket to learn their trades as a right of passage for a Test cricketer.
We should also learn that in England the money and infrastructure made available to the sensation that was Twenty20 has become in hindsight a bit of a mistake. The county fans have stopped going to watch this form of the game and essentially do not care about it. There are lessons to be learned for Australia’s ‘Big Bash’. Let’s not hasten to invest our time and money into what could become just a ‘fad’.
Indeed Twenty20 is yet to be proven a sustainable interest and could be a complete waste of time and energy in the long run. At the end of the day the fickle fans that demand such frivolous entertainment will turn away, as they have in England, when they inevitably come to realise cricket in any form must be enjoyed by a patient soul.
Eventually it seems you are going to be left with the true fans. These are the fans that will take an interest in all forms of it and these are the fans that will be demanding true Test class cricketers when it comes time for the Ashes.
If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em. It’s time to take a good hard look at what we the English are doing well and to try and learn from them.
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July 15th 2012 @ 7:41am
Viscount Crouchback said | July 15th 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Magnificent article.
July 15th 2012 @ 8:02am
gormon Kinchely said | July 15th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
and if all that fails, just bring in a bunch of South Africans into the team, and then get the support to vociferously argue that they’re proper Aussies like England do
Great article mate
July 15th 2012 @ 8:53am
Rabbitz said | July 15th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Hard to argue with that
July 15th 2012 @ 9:50am
Ben Carter said | July 15th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
“It is curious that even though they invented it, England have not allowed the Twenty20 circus to infiltrate their Test or one-day side or psyche. They have not hero worshiped a ‘Warner’ and put him in to face the new ball at the 50 over or Test cricket arena. They have seen the emergence of players that could set new standards in one-day play but they play them where they are not a liability to good new ball bowling i.e. down the order.
Generally they have persisted with picking their best top order cricketers in both ODIs and Tests, (insisting that only Strauss their test captain miss the one-day games to prolong his more important Test career). Interestingly, they have not allowed Pietersen to pick and choose which of the one-day format he misses because he has not earned that right. We can learn from them on how they handled this despite much public outcry.
The English and Wales Cricket Board and selectors have sent out the message that they still know what is best for their national side. They will not be bowing to pressure from fans and they certainly will not pick fickle fan favourites to come out blazing at the top of the order.
They still consider the true fan the more important ticket buyer. He is the more sustainable fan that they need to keep happy and he wants to see top class cricketers play top class innings.
The Australian Cricket Board and Selectors on the other hand are trying to keep Mr Fickle Fan happy. He is the one that they see is key to prolonged financial success and he, ladies and gentleman, wants to see cheap thrills.”
ALL OF THIS. At least. Well put Werewolf.
A few other points of note that come to mind…
(1) Always play your best XI in any format (bar injury) and you won’t go far wrong.
(2) Interesting as well that we Aussie fans used to scoff at the English for having three (yes, three!) separate domestic one-day series (40, 55 and 60-over competitions). And their main format now is 40 overs a side… Guess who is being scoffed at now?
(3) This is why the seemingly ever-expanding T20 series in Australia is NOT a good idea if “true fans” (so to speak, although it’s a clunky phrase) are to be convinced of our national team’s value. Perhaps, a la the A-League’s branding of “We Are Football”, we need a “We Are Cricket”. There are cricket fans (me) and fans of cricket (not me in particular). Why add more T20 games and still keep a clumsily-scheduled Ryobi Cup? I would keep (if required!) the eight-team Big Bash competition as-is (cap the amount of games, PLEASE!) and just go back to the Ryobi Cup of old – six states (I’d prefer NT and ACT of course), play once, 15 games then semis and a final. And make the thing 40 overs a side if that helps.
(4) After the ODI series defeat, one Roar writer asked why anyone would care that Australia even lost… I care because (a) I am an Australian, (b) I am a cricket fan and (c) I actually happen to think one-day internationals remain loads of fun.
Ramble over…!
July 15th 2012 @ 7:24pm
The Werewolf said | July 15th 2012 @ 7:24pm | Report comment
yes i’m not happy with my phrase ‘true fans’ but i thought it sums up what i mean by the fans that read, study, play and or love the game in all its forms.
July 15th 2012 @ 10:01am
Sailosi said | July 15th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
What I have learnt from England is that great cricket teams and players come in generations. Nothing more, nothing less. From the great west indies fast bowlers Griffith and Hall in the 50′s and 60′s to the pace battery of the 80′s and 90′s. The great Indian spinners of the 70′s and 80′s, prasanna, bedi, chandresaker, venkat to the bare Indian spin bowling cupboard of now. The great West Indies top orders of Fredericks, Greenidge, Haynes and Richardson to Ganga, Hinds, Campbell and Samuels. England now have some wonderful batsman and brilliant fast bowlers. Cricket goes in cycles and countries suffer from highs and lows. This will continue for ever and a day.
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July 15th 2012 @ 7:33pm
The Werewolf said | July 15th 2012 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
A fair point but are England’s batsman so great?
They are extremely good but they are not great. They are no 1 in the world without a ‘great’ player. They are just showing us up for poor selection and poor batsmanship.
England are so very beatable which is why the current australian set up is so disappointing. If only we could select some decent top order batsman that could employ quality strategy and technique. The talent is there in australian cricket but it isn’t being nurtured the way it should. We have lost sight of what makes a good test match and ODI batsman. i know I’m harping on Warner but he is a great example of what not to do ie promote a flat track bully to the australian top order.
yes it worked with Gilchrist in ODI’s but only because he was a rare talent and a great test match batsman to start with.
July 16th 2012 @ 5:04pm
Matt H said | July 16th 2012 @ 5:04pm | Report comment
Ah Gilchrist, rare talent yes (actually one of a kind), but a great test match batsman to start with? Not so sure given he played ODI’s for some years before pushing Healey out of the test side.
But a minor point. I agree mostly wholeheartedly with your article.
I think conditions have a bit to do with it as well. The Warners of this world just do not make it in England due to the nature of the pitches and the swinging ball. Warner will still do very well in Oz and the sub-continent, And he can certainly only do well as an opener in the sub-continent because he needs the pace bowlers and the hard ball.
And also, the Australian think tank have not adjusted to the two new balls in the OID’s. That makes playing Warner up the orde rin England even sillier. Clarke should have been opening the batting. He has done it sucessfully many times before and his style would have been much more appropriate.
God Warner! Might as well open the batting with Johnson! Actually ….
And I also think the turning point for England may have been Alan Stanford and his helicopter load of cash landing at Lords. I think the shock of that disaster may have turned the administrators over there on a different path.
Look I loved the BBL this year but its a club competition. Cricket has always been about club and state existing to support the national team (it’s not AFL for God’s sake), and that is not happening right now.
July 16th 2012 @ 6:53pm
The Werewolf said | July 16th 2012 @ 6:53pm | Report comment
Yes about gilchrist.
What I meant was that he was a conservative player suited to tests before he began to play the flamboyant style we came to know. If you read his autobiography he talks about this. Without the foundation of a solid technique and the confidence this gave him he would not have been able to play those amazing innings with those amazing shots that he did not play growing up and in the beginning of his first class career. In his pre international career he was a conservative player.
Good point about the two new balls which is another reason to play our best technical players at the top of the order. I’ve been saying for a few years that Mike Hussey should go back to opener for example. And yes the ECB and MCC are mortifiedly embarrassed about falling for that helicopter loaded with a million pounds trick, which they think now was more likely a top layer of cash and a hired helicopter.
July 15th 2012 @ 10:34am
Disco said | July 15th 2012 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Good article. You’re right about batting technique and the embarrassing, anti-cricket entertainment form that is T20.
July 15th 2012 @ 1:44pm
Johnno said | July 15th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
-England have really come forwad since the 2006 ASHES debacle. The loss was a blessing in disguise.
-No more beer and skittles matches, a clear pathway and seperation of the 3 teams
-Buliding a new high performance centre at lords
-Winning comes no 1 and 2nd is viewed s a failure
-Still making test cricket the no 1 priority
-We could learn somethings from England cricket
July 15th 2012 @ 3:38pm
James said | July 15th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
very good article, and glad to see not many people talking about england being south africa b. it is just so petulant in this multi cultural world to judge someones nationality simply by where they were born. strauss was born in south africa but he has got to be one of the most english people in the team. so long as someone lives, puts down roots and identifies with the country they represent then to question them just seems so childish, especially when they are completely dominating australia.
July 15th 2012 @ 7:21pm
The Werewolf said | July 15th 2012 @ 7:21pm | Report comment
A good point.
Trott, KP etc became international standard players by playing English county cricket. They have british passports. So they are British.
July 15th 2012 @ 8:22pm
Disco said | July 15th 2012 @ 8:22pm | Report comment
And as far as Test cricket goes, there is no ‘etc’. Strauss and Prior have English parents and left SA as kids.
July 15th 2012 @ 11:07pm
The Werewolf said | July 15th 2012 @ 11:07pm | Report comment
Agreed the argument that Strauss and Prior are actually african is far fetched. But I was not referring to them.
In using the term etc I was meaning Keiswetter and any number of historical selections of supposed foreigners. I am a strict believer that if you have a passport and or citizenship you are entitled to play for the country you choose if they indeed wish to choose you.
For us to say otherwise is hypocritical. For example we’d need a complete rethink of many of the current wallaby starting xv.
July 16th 2012 @ 9:27am
Disco said | July 16th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
I totally agree.
July 15th 2012 @ 6:41pm
lolly said | July 15th 2012 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
An awful lot of ‘shoulds’ here. I’m still in two minds about Warner, Someone that aggressive opening the batting in test cricket could be counter-productive but I’d prefer him to Watson who isn’t a top-order batsman as he has so little ability to sustain an innings. There are very few decent batsmen out there at present, so both of them are probably as good as it gets for now.
I’m not sure I agree about the sweeping of the spin bowlers. That was England’s downfall against Ajmal. It was comical watching them come to grief continually trying to sweep him.
What’s wrong with using your feet properly and I don’t mean just wandering down the pitch with no real idea of what you are trying to do( like I’ve seen Smith and Wade attempt). I nean getting your feet to the pitch of the ball or hitting the short balls by using the depth of the crease.
July 15th 2012 @ 7:16pm
The Werewolf said | July 15th 2012 @ 7:16pm | Report comment
cheers for your comment.
I am curious without ‘shoulds’ how do we critique a white wash where England only required 6 batsman to take guard in 4 matches? Are we to bury our heads in the sand?
Sweeping; Think Matthew Hayden.
He went to the sub continent while out of the side to practice against spin bowling in the late 90′s. Here he developed a sweep shot made him the only aussie batsman to handle the Indian spin attack in India on the next tour, scoring tonnes of runs predominantly by sweeping. This resurrected his career.
Allowing english finger spinners to dictate terms when they have such a good pace attack is inexcusablly poor batting. The sweep is a safe shot that brings the 1′s and 2′s and sometimes 4′s that are needed to upset a spin bowlers line and length and keep the score board ticking. It puts you on the front foot without having to risk always comng out of your crease. The only time you should come out of yor crease is when the bowler tosses it up. If you rely only on using your feet it becomes very easy to set a field to you. And against flatter spin bowling you can’t just sit in your crease and play off the back foot as you can in Australia. You must play spin on the front foot as much as possible and so the sweep is vitally important. Not sweeping in England or the sub continent is like not playing the cut shot in Australia.
Warner: its not about being aggressive. His strike rate for the series was 75% which was only slightly more than Cook for example. Cook averaged a lot more and that is what is key for an opener. Its about having the tools to deal with good seam bowling in testing conditions. Aggressive play does not have to be in the form of lofted sixes over the mid wicket boundary. I think the emglish batsman showed that you can score at a 75% strike rate by playing properly. Warner has a lot of work to do in terms of his batsmanship if he is to have any influence in 2013.
July 15th 2012 @ 8:24pm
Disco said | July 15th 2012 @ 8:24pm | Report comment
Quite so. My abiding memory of the recent series was Bailey and Watson playing back to Swann’s accurate bowling, unable to score anywhere. Then he tossed one up and Watson holed out.
July 15th 2012 @ 11:56pm
lolly said | July 15th 2012 @ 11:56pm | Report comment
Not many of the newish Aus batsmen seem to have any facility at all against spin, which is hardly surprising as they rarely face good quality spin bowling in Aus..
I distrust sweeping, it’s only really fine batsmen who can use that stroke effectively or very tall players. I’ll give WW Hayden and raise him Chanderpaul who sweeps beautifully. Mike Hussey can play it pretty well too. Once his eye is in he is an excellent reader of length that’s why I rarely think ‘crap shot selection’ even when he gets out.
I don’t know, maybe Huss should coach our batsmen as well as play. I don’t think I can bear knowing that Justin Langer is getting paid any more.
By the way, it was a good thoughtful article, even if I don’t agree with all of it.
July 16th 2012 @ 5:07pm
Matt H said | July 16th 2012 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
And Warner’s strike rate was 75% becasue once Plan A does not work, he does not have the skills or experience yet to be successful consistently with Plan B. He does have the ability (his century against NZ), but not the consistency.
July 15th 2012 @ 8:27pm
Johnno said | July 15th 2012 @ 8:27pm | Report comment
- -I think someone said England teams does not have that many greta batsman but i would say this.
-Alastair Cook could go down in history as one of best openers in the last 40 years by the time he retires if not no 1 .. He already is one of the best in the last 40 years but may get to no 1
-And that includes, Hayden , gavasker, sewahg , Mark Taylor, Greg Chappell, the great Gordon Grennige, Haynes, kepler wessels, mark richardson.
-Cook has the best powers of concentration i have ever seen out of any batsmen . And that includes tendulkar, and Laxman.
-And KP well what pure talant he has i have not seen any player with as much natural talant other than Gilchrist or maybe Warner.
-Trott is a highly concentrated man, as is strauss, and bell reminds me of a poor mans pointing or the amazingly talented Herschille Gibbs, who never reached his once in a generation potential.
-So they have a handy top order and Matt Prior is no slouch either defiantly I rate Matt Prior a better test batsmen at least than Mark Boucher.
July 15th 2012 @ 8:49pm
James said | July 15th 2012 @ 8:49pm | Report comment
yeah i have to agree with johnno, i think that you are underselling england by saying they dont have any ‘great’ batsman. alastair cook is what the 3rd fastest to get to x amount of centuries or something or runs only beaten by tendulkar and someone else haha sorry for not knowing. his average the last couple of years has been incredible and as a batsman he is still quite young and trott is just so solid aswell. granted neither of them are as glamourous as hayden, gavaskars, sewahg etc they dont bully the oposition bowlers as obviously but they get the runs and they stay in for so long, so they still have that x factor, its not the wham bam x factor but the ‘im going to be here all day scoring 4 runs an over at least and im not going to nick it or give you any hope of a wicket’.
July 15th 2012 @ 8:55pm
Johnno said | July 15th 2012 @ 8:55pm | Report comment
I am not underselling i said someone else on this thread did. I rate Cook very highly like you said with your stat example.
-Cook is up there with the best of them the best of all time. He was amazing in that 2010/11 series. And you right bam bam baseball style cricket is not a sign or greatness, neither are you a a great player if you dominate T20 or make a lot of runs in T20 cricket. Dave Warner’s achievements in T20 cricket are meaningless as T20 is not a real sport with any skill. Unlike test cricket which is true cricket and a true reflection of a person’s cricket abilities. And the purists only rate test cricket too, just ask the MCC old boys at lord’s .
July 15th 2012 @ 9:03pm
James said | July 15th 2012 @ 9:03pm | Report comment
i was agreeing with you
but then again englands batsman should be getting better, as indeed they are; having anderson, broad, tremlett, finn, bresnan etc bowling at you in the nets all the time must make playing against most other world attacks seem like christmas.
July 16th 2012 @ 5:11pm
Matt H said | July 16th 2012 @ 5:11pm | Report comment
Let Warner have his due, he is a very good 20-20 player. Yes this is fundamentally different to test cricket, but it’s not his fault that he got picked. There is room for the 20-20 sport but a “great” 20-20 cricketer will only be as great test match cricketer by coincidence. And it will be a bowler most likely. If anyone saw McGrath in the tail end of his career play 20-20 he would have been the one.
July 16th 2012 @ 2:48pm
Disco said | July 16th 2012 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
X-factor is, after all, a negative attribute.
July 15th 2012 @ 9:25pm
The Werewolf said | July 15th 2012 @ 9:25pm | Report comment
I think our definitions of ‘great’ are completely different.
When I say ‘great’ I mean it more literally. Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar, Lara.
Some of the names you’ve mentioned as ‘greats’ makes me think you are one that overuses the term so much that it has lost its meaning.
The players you mention range from good to very good test players. None of them are ‘greats’.
Cook is a very good test run getter that much is certain. That does not make him a ‘great’. Not yet anyway.
July 15th 2012 @ 10:30pm
Colin N said | July 15th 2012 @ 10:30pm | Report comment
“Cook is a very good test run getter that much is certain. That does not make him a ‘great’. Not yet anyway.”
Agreed. In fact, I think all of the England batsmen have weaknesses who are preventing them from reaching ‘great.’
Cook still has poor series, whereas ‘great’ players continue to get big scoes when the rest of the team fails, which is what happened in Pakistan.
Pieterson has lapses in concentration despite being immensely talented, Strauss is only really a decent Test-match batsman, but is a very good captain and has a good conversion rate when he gets to 50.
Bell is the most talented, but suffered from, for lack of a better phrase, mentally weak. However, he’s been excellent over the last couple of years and now averages just under 48.
Trott’s a tough competitor and a batttler, but he’s not great to watch tbh.
All, you could say, are world class, but they all have their lapses which still causes the odd stereotypical English batting collapse.
Big fan of Prior, though, and is probably the best keeper-batsman in the world.