Cheetahs the enigma in riddle of South African dominance
By biltongbek, 19 Jul 2012 biltongbek is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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Cheetahs Johan Goosen, left and Piet van Zyl celebrate their win over the Hurricanes. AAP Image/SNPA, Ross Setford
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Quite a few theories are going around as to how South Africa, not deemed the strongest conference in Super Rugby, has been able to provide three teams for the play-offs.
I have previously expressed my opinion that the Conference system is flawed and lacking credibility, so for the purpose of this discussion I am going to look at some facts.
I have run the results of the past two seasons and found interesting if not surprising statistics. There is one team in the competition that is an enigma, and their results are the catalyst for South Africa’s dominance in the play-offs.
Over the past two years these are the log points gained by each team inside their own conferences.
Stormers 60, Reds 56, Crusaders 52, Bulls 51, Waratahs 49, Sharks 45, Brumbies 41, Highlanders 40, Chiefs 38, Hurricanes 35, Blues 33, Force 26, Rebels 21, Lions 20 and Cheetahs 17.
From these results it is clear how competitive the matches have been within the New Zealand Conference. One could argue the consequences one of two ways.
You could consider that the equality between these teams gives them all a fighting chance to qualify by winning their matches against the South African and Australian franchises, or you could argue that it reduces their chances of having more than two teams qualify.
When considering the non-derby matches, these are the log points gained in the last two season by each team.
Sharks 55, Crusaders 54, Stormers 53, Reds 52, Chiefs 50, Hurricanes 48, Bulls 46, Cheetahs 45, Blues 43, Highlanders 39, Brumbies 34, Waratahs 27, Force 22, Rebels 19 and Lions 18.
From these results it shows which teams have been most successful over the past two seasons against the other two nations’ teams. Remember each team plays eight derby matches and eight international matches per season, and when you compare the non-derby statistics, there are six teams who stand out as gaining more log points outside of their conferences than inside.
Teams with a nett positive log point difference outside their conference were: Cheetahs 28, Hurricanes 13, Chiefs 12, Blues 10, Sharks 10 and Crusaders 2.
Now the enigma in this competition is none other than the Cheetahs, bottom dweller when it comes to the South African derbies. Consider that during the past two years they have not had one single victory over the Sharks, Bulls or Stormers, gaining only 17 log points from their own conference. Yet in 2011 they scalped the Waratahs (qualifiers), Crusaders (qualifiers) and Brumbies, and the in 2012 took the Hurricanes and Waratahs, for a total of 45 log points outside their conference.
They are in fact the perfect foil for the South African conference, taking zero points from the big three, yet competing very well with overseas teams.
That in my view is the single most determining factor in the qualifying results for the South African teams.
Some may say it is because of the Lions being bottom dwellers, yet every conference has had one team at least every year that has been disappointing. The Blues this year had no wins in their conference, the Rebels had no wins against the Reds or Brumbies, and the Cheetahs had no wins against the Sharks, Bulls or Stormers.
It’s what those bottom-dwellers do when they play outside their conference that can really make the difference.
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July 19th 2012 @ 1:49am
SamClench said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:49am | Report comment
Excellent analysis, well spotted. Really interesting that there is such a disparity between the Cheetahs’ performances in derbies versus international matches. Not sure how to explain it off the top of my head. Any suggestions?
July 19th 2012 @ 2:07am
Steve.H said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:07am | Report comment
They can’t match the other South African teams upfront, thus rendering their expansive game useless.Plus in each South African team you will most likely 5 or 6 players who grew up in the Free State
July 19th 2012 @ 6:25pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:25pm | Report comment
Very good points Steve, the Cheetahs if you have to categorise them play rugby more aligned with NZ teams but their pack doesn’t have the strengths of the Bulls, Stormers and Sharks, hence they don’t dominate the tight exchanges and set phases they need to.
However one aspect of their play that may show some reason for their improvement is that they don’t rely on just one player to pilfer at the breakdown, everyone in their team focuses on competing at the Breakdown, the biggest example of this is Coenie Oosthuizen that has in fact been more effective at pilfering or slowing down ball at ruck time.
Also one of the main reasons why the Cheetahs have not been able to win close fought games in the latter part of the pool rounds.
Of course their biggest threat in attack Johan Goosen hasn’t played for about two months, not only his general attacking play was missed, but also his deadly accurate boot.
Two matches of the Cheetahs was lost in the last ten simply due to poor goal kicking by Ebersohn who evetually got replaced by the more accurate Riaan Smith.
The biggest weakness though for the Cheetahs is not their attacking skills, but their defence. I suppose when you play the game like they do, there is more risk for mistakes and counter attack which leaves defences bare if executed at pace and with decisiveness.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:54am
King of the Gorgonites said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:54am | Report comment
Very good article. Spot on. Explains a lot.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:17am
matthew said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:17am | Report comment
Very insightful article Biltongbek. The Cheetah’s have been a vastly improved outfit over the last two years in particular. They’ve had some brutal encounters with the local teams too although coming short- I still remember that destructive clash with the Bulls? earlier this season where a massive fight broke out on the pitch.
Pity Goosen’s injury took the wind of of their sails a little this time around but if he sticks around they’ll be formidable next season. Also a pity that Johnson is heading off to England.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:39am
The Werewolf said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:39am | Report comment
I am not surprised that SA have 3 sides in the play offs.
There are 632,184 registered rugby players in SA. Thats in comparison to 137, 835 New Zealanders and 86, 952 in Australia.
(please note these are registered figures that the IRB released for the 2011 RWC. The figures that the ARU wants us to believe that there are hundreds of thousands of unregistered players in australia is a joke.)
July 19th 2012 @ 10:55am
Blinky Bill of Bellingen said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Are those numbers correct? I’ve read on here more than once that we actually have more registered players in Oz than does NZ, which sure surprised me.
I have to say that driving about here I see very little evidence of interest in Rugby. It’s all AFL, League or Soccer. Perhaps this area is not typical.
On the Cheetahs – I don’t know a lot about them but I’ve enjoyed watching them play. I’ve also thought they were pretty unlucky on a couple of occasions.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:47pm
Jerry said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Werewolf, are you still trying that on? Even if you discount the ‘Schools 2″ category, there are still about 130K registered players in Aus.
July 19th 2012 @ 6:36pm
The Werewolf said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/09/2103/rugby-world-cup-daily-player-numbers-around-the-world
schools categories and non registered players are estimations! NZ estimate about 10000 unregisteerd palyesr. The ARU estimates in comparaison about 200,000 unregistered players!???? Its a PR nonsense.
Think about it. The IRB released these numbers last year (go to the link) and the ARU has since come up with another 2hundred thousand players in a press release in early 2012. Nonsense! You’d have to be fairly easily manipulated to let this one through Jerry!
July 20th 2012 @ 7:48am
Jerry said | July 20th 2012 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Do you have short term memory loss, Werewolf – this was discussed in a fair bit of detail about 1 week ago. That figure for Australia doesn’t include high school aged players – unlike the NZRU figure.
Here’s my post, which you replied to at the time…..
“You might want to take a look at the ARU annual report for 2011. Page 69, in particular.
The total figure (including golden oldies & women) is 261,431. Now, obviously golden oldies & women should be subtracted which accounts for about 19,500 players. And there is a ‘schools 2″ figure which includes schools who only competed in one off knockout tournaments or gala days. This accounts for 111,063 players.
But that still leaves 39,948 senior players, 47,430 junior players and 43,435 school players (this category is for schools that played regularly). Which is a figure of 130,813.
So even with removing the schools 2 category, Aus still has comparable numbers to NZ.”
July 19th 2012 @ 5:52am
Pogo said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:52am | Report comment
Well that pretty much hit the nail on the head. Do you think the Cheetahs will ever kick on and start beating the other sides from the republic?
July 19th 2012 @ 6:59am
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:59am | Report comment
Pogo, the only way the Cheetahs will be able to improve within the local conference setup is if they manage to retain their players.
Until recently the Cheetahs were mainly stripped of their top class players by SA Franchises, but now Europe has climbed onto the bandwagon.
Again after this season, they are losing a number of players and these are just the players going to Europe, WP Nel, Ashley Johnson, Izak v d Westhuizen, George Earle.
Now those are all forwards, so once again their pack will be depleted, remember end of last season, Sarel Pretorius left for Australia.
So yeah, they struggle financially to retain players..
July 19th 2012 @ 9:33am
Spot said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Their on the take! The SARU is telling them to throw games in SA!
Very good read, I always saw the Cheetahs in recent years as been very competitive but this tell another story. I suppose to be competitve they would have to start playing a different style of rugby in SA, similar to the approach the Brumbies took this year, easier said then done!
July 19th 2012 @ 8:10am
sixo_clock said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
It is simply the ongoing struggle teams have to lift and perform at their best against strugglers. Remember the Rebels results against both the Crusaders and the Bulls, also the dour games played in Australian derbies, all these required would be a touch of desperation or will and determination to create different results. Rugby is principally a mind game and in the pro era it could be argued that self-starters are thin on the ground.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:04pm
Sylvester said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:04pm | Report comment
I’d also say many teams see the Cheetahs game as a chance to rest top players (as the Crusaders did when they lost), which gives them more chances to grab an upset. The local teams less likely because their fans wouldn’t be impressed.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:21pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:21pm | Report comment
I think you’ll have to provide more proof before I am going to entertain that as a possibility.
July 19th 2012 @ 8:56am
Vincent said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
The head to head results between conferences also explains a lot. The NZ teams played both the SA and Aus teams with the same number of wins and losses (13-7 against each). The SA teams won 15 and lost 5 against the Aus teams.
Therefore the NZ teams were dominant against both the Aus and SA teams, but the SA teams were more dominant against Aus. The NZ teams also tended to cancel each other out more with four strong contenders, only the Blues were canon fodder. The strong Aus and SA teams have at least two canon fodder teams, enabling their strong teams to pick up more easy wins.
This conference system needs some tweaking I think.
July 19th 2012 @ 8:56am
Hoy said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
I think Goosen is the find for South Africa. He looks a better player than Lambie, but whether South Africa like his running, or will pick Lambie for his kicking will set them up for the future. I would go with a running 5/8 every time.
I have no issue with the conference system. It is what it is. It was agreed upon by all three unions, regardless of who put it forward, or who pushed it. I don’t understand why people get so worked up about it, or say that the Reds were illegitimate winners last year, or this year it is X or whatever. It is the same with the World Cup. Teams win without playing everyone. I don’t rate the World Cup that highly, because we all know teams don’t play everyone, and better teams sometimes don’t make it. That is the way the ball bounces. Tough.
I don’t see the issue in having a team from the “weakest” conference guaranteed a place. All the teams know they have to beat teams from their own country to ensure they go through. Simple as that. It isn’t rocket science. And if they lose to teams in their own country, they have to beat teams from the other countries.
Before the conference system there was unfairness as well remember? Plenty of teams with more wins missed out to teams with bonus points.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:08am
Red Kev said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:08am | Report comment
I agree about Goosen – Goosen at 10, F.Steyn at 12 and Lambie at 15 makes the Springboks backline very strong for the future.
Not that Meyer will look beyond a team built around Morne – which is good news for the All Blacks and Wallabies I guess.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:58pm
IvanN said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
HM has actually stated that if Goosen was available he would have picked him, along with Duane Vermeulen(stormer).
I dont think HM is going to risk his position as coach, to favour his beloved Bulls – He had little choice going into his first test series, but things will shake up a bit now.
When players come back from injury, the Boks are going to be able to put a really good team out.
Beast,Biz,Coenie,Eben,Andries,Marcel,Willem,Duane – thats a 940 something kg pack.
Hougaard,Goosen,Habana,FSteyn,Div,Petersen,Lambie
im feeling positive about the Boks this year.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:19pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
I’d still like to see a nrw face in place of JdV to be honest, the rest of that backline will bring music to mu soul.
Can’t wait to see William Small Smith, Jan Serfontein from the Junior Boks there, a shame Jaque Fourie isn’t avaiable for that backline
July 19th 2012 @ 8:47pm
Matt said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:47pm | Report comment
Serfontein is definitely going to be knocking down JDV’s door for the 2015WC midfield spot I think. He’s a classy player who’ll really come to dominate. A shame, as he’s another lost star that the Cheetahs could have done with. Imagine Serfontein outside Goosen, lethal!!
July 19th 2012 @ 9:45am
Rusty said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:45am | Report comment
re the Conf and not to keep bashing the same record. There is one tweak that would be handy. The final six is decided in the same manner. However post the first set of finals the wild cards are ordered on points. So as an example using this year.
Sharks play Reds in Brisbane ->Reds win
Bulls play Crusaders in Christchurch ->Saders win
Reds with lowest points->Cape Town
Saders->Hamilton
If the Reds win then they play Saders/Chiefs away by virtue of having the least amount of points of finalists.
Basically this means the wildcard conference winner entry is only good for one round and after that its based on overall. Otherwise in the above scenario under the current system if the Saders beat the Bulls they are off to the Stormers. Reds beat the Shorks, they are off to Hamilton and if each win. Then effectively the number 6 by virtue of points gets home advantage over number 4.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:55am
Red Kev said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
I posted this in another thread but there is an interesting quote from Ewen McKenzie regarding the so-called conference problem that highlights an important fact that I had not considered:
“Fans wanting equality in the competition will never find it. Each country has its own rules around squad sizes, salary caps and foreign players.
July 20th 2012 @ 7:39am
Jerry said | July 20th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
Interesting point, but not really that relevant. There’s no such thing as perfect equality obviously, but that doesn’t mean you should accept an obviously flawed system which leads to the current situation.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:52am
Hoy said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:52am | Report comment
That would be fair enough I guess.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:38pm
Jutsie said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:38pm | Report comment
Thats reasonable and tbh I thought that was the way it was organised anyway till i read the roar this week.
I also was under the impression till halfway through this season (when it became apparent that the brumbies may end up with less wins than at least 3 teams from the other conferences) that being conference leader gauranteed u a spot in the 6 but not a spot in top 3. I thought if a conference leader finished 4th overall they would go into the finals as the 4th ranked team and if they finished 7th they would leapfrog whoever was in 6th position. I honestly wouldnt mind that method either but i guess giving the conference leader at least one home game provides more revenue for each country and makes the competition more viable.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:24am
Rusty said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Great analysis Biltongbek and long may it continue! Seriously though the Cheetahs are an enigma, often berated as easy beats and yes they have had their dire dire moments through the last 6 years but you cant deny the improvement over the last few. They are beginning to get more consistency to their game, started winning overseas and as you say taking points of the other conferences. I like their style and would comfortably say they are my second team. Hopefully with better results they will get better retention of players and this will then snowball for them
July 19th 2012 @ 9:44am
Brett McKay said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
Great analysis Bek, the Cheetahs are almost the perfect ‘what if’ team, in that you always think they should be pushing for the finals, yet always manage to both win and lose games they really shouldn’t..
July 19th 2012 @ 4:50pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:50pm | Report comment
Thanks Brett, yes the Cheetahs in reality had one of those “should have, could have featured ” seasons.
They had a number of close losses, some you could say unfortunate to lose and others where they pushed some very strong teams all the way.
They lost 25-27 to the Lions even though they outscored them in tries
They lost to the Brumbies with a last minute penalty 23-24
They pushed the Crusaders in Christchurch to within a score.
They had the Chiefs game won, and then sel destructed to lose 33-39
Same thing with the Highlanders 33-35
They pushed the Stormers hard at Newlands only to lose 14-16
Again in Bloemfontein they pushed them hard 6-13
I think Naka Drotske will be unhappy about so many close losses, but satisfied that the Cheetahs can compete against anyone.