Cheetahs the enigma in riddle of South African dominance
By biltongbek, 19 Jul 2012 biltongbek is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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Cheetahs Johan Goosen, left and Piet van Zyl celebrate their win over the Hurricanes. AAP Image/SNPA, Ross Setford
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Quite a few theories are going around as to how South Africa, not deemed the strongest conference in Super Rugby, has been able to provide three teams for the play-offs.
I have previously expressed my opinion that the Conference system is flawed and lacking credibility, so for the purpose of this discussion I am going to look at some facts.
I have run the results of the past two seasons and found interesting if not surprising statistics. There is one team in the competition that is an enigma, and their results are the catalyst for South Africa’s dominance in the play-offs.
Over the past two years these are the log points gained by each team inside their own conferences.
Stormers 60, Reds 56, Crusaders 52, Bulls 51, Waratahs 49, Sharks 45, Brumbies 41, Highlanders 40, Chiefs 38, Hurricanes 35, Blues 33, Force 26, Rebels 21, Lions 20 and Cheetahs 17.
From these results it is clear how competitive the matches have been within the New Zealand Conference. One could argue the consequences one of two ways.
You could consider that the equality between these teams gives them all a fighting chance to qualify by winning their matches against the South African and Australian franchises, or you could argue that it reduces their chances of having more than two teams qualify.
When considering the non-derby matches, these are the log points gained in the last two season by each team.
Sharks 55, Crusaders 54, Stormers 53, Reds 52, Chiefs 50, Hurricanes 48, Bulls 46, Cheetahs 45, Blues 43, Highlanders 39, Brumbies 34, Waratahs 27, Force 22, Rebels 19 and Lions 18.
From these results it shows which teams have been most successful over the past two seasons against the other two nations’ teams. Remember each team plays eight derby matches and eight international matches per season, and when you compare the non-derby statistics, there are six teams who stand out as gaining more log points outside of their conferences than inside.
Teams with a nett positive log point difference outside their conference were: Cheetahs 28, Hurricanes 13, Chiefs 12, Blues 10, Sharks 10 and Crusaders 2.
Now the enigma in this competition is none other than the Cheetahs, bottom dweller when it comes to the South African derbies. Consider that during the past two years they have not had one single victory over the Sharks, Bulls or Stormers, gaining only 17 log points from their own conference. Yet in 2011 they scalped the Waratahs (qualifiers), Crusaders (qualifiers) and Brumbies, and the in 2012 took the Hurricanes and Waratahs, for a total of 45 log points outside their conference.
They are in fact the perfect foil for the South African conference, taking zero points from the big three, yet competing very well with overseas teams.
That in my view is the single most determining factor in the qualifying results for the South African teams.
Some may say it is because of the Lions being bottom dwellers, yet every conference has had one team at least every year that has been disappointing. The Blues this year had no wins in their conference, the Rebels had no wins against the Reds or Brumbies, and the Cheetahs had no wins against the Sharks, Bulls or Stormers.
It’s what those bottom-dwellers do when they play outside their conference that can really make the difference.
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July 19th 2012 @ 9:53am
tugboat said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
The nz teams are set up by nzru they decide who plays where so they should be most balanced teams
Its a communist sports network no place in modern sports obviously nzru are control freaks though they have failed as the main city auckland has had worst team
I think aus and sa are independant teams
July 19th 2012 @ 2:40pm
Kuruki said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:40pm | Report comment
That is not exactly true. They more often then not let players go where they want. Only in extreme cases would they step in and pull rank like for example the Crusaders signed Carter Cruden and Barret next season. Control freaks or very clever?
July 20th 2012 @ 12:50pm
ncart said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
This is incorrect. The draft system in NZ is designed to ensure that the best players are out on the park playing, not sitting on the bench behind another top player so you don’t have a franchise with the top 2 hookers in the country for instance, which would mean the back up All Black hooker wouldn’t be getting any game time. Each franchise gets to name a certain number of players from within their catchment (ITM Cup teams) and then those players in the catchment who are not named go into the draft and can be picked up by other franchises. The Crusaders have historically been very good at bringing in draft players this way and developing them. Population wise an area like the Highlanders region (Otago and Southland) is much smaller than Auckland, so if you didn’t have a draft then you would end up a lopsided team makeup.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:32am
Dasher said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Great analysis. I’ve enjoyed watching the Cheetahs play over the last few years. They are a breath of fresh air compared to the stodgy and predictable gameplay of the Bulls, Stormers, Sharks. They also memorably took down the Blues and Hurricanes at home in 2010. Last year I was at the game in Whangarei between the Blues and Cheetahs and Sarel Pretorius played out of his skin. I was furious when I heard he was signed by the Waratahs, because the Cheetahs would have been a very potent team this year with him. Hopefully he returns to the Cheetahs next year and with Goosen they get some great wins on the board.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:45pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
Dasher I was myself quite disappointed, I actually thought Sarel Pretorius had a good chance of being called up for Springbok dutybthen, but to be honest I think Piet van Zyl had a good season for the Cheetahs
July 19th 2012 @ 5:03pm
WQ said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
I bet he wishes he had not done that!!!!!
July 19th 2012 @ 10:53am
jeznez said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Nice analysis Biltong, I will say that the Waratahs results flatter the Cheetahs the last two years but I think your point stands.
The Waratahs stand as the biggest beneficiaries of the conference system being 5th overall on the derby ladder and 12th on the non-derby ladder. Last year they scraped into the play-offs. Derby match results have papered over the cracks at Waratahs land and this year the results have been there to see.
The Cheetahs are my favourite SA team, lots of running, they score great tries and guys like Coenie are just great to see in the game. Real shame that Johnson is leaving.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:56am
Tigranes said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Pretorius was an outstanding player for the Cheetahs – but at the Waratahs he can barely get any time? Should point out he got MOM in his first game for NSW.
Does NSW seriously produce scrum halves of such quality that the Tahs can leave Pretoruis out of the match day 22?
July 19th 2012 @ 11:21am
formeropenside said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
No, they don’t, they have to import them from elsewhere. McKibbin and Matt Lucas are both Queenslanders, and Grayson Hart is of course a Kiwi.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:12pm
jeznez said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
And our last home grown product in Burgess threw homages to the Harbour Bridge with every ball he let fly
July 19th 2012 @ 1:33pm
Carnivean said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Yet, the teams attack was significantly more fluid and effective with him playing. His loss didn’t look significant at the time, but hindsight shows that he was highly influential to Waratahs results.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:40pm
Jutsie said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Also think he was a key member of the wallabies, when the pack is playing like powder puffs and genia is getting bullied and frustrated, burgess was the perfect rough and nuggety type scrum half to come on and tough it out. The only guy like that we have left is brett sheehan.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:37am
Jutsie said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:37am | Report comment
I just don’t understand the tahs brain trust, a team that missing their three biggest strike weapons from the previous season in mitchell, turner and beale recruit the highest try scorer from previous year and bench him for the majority of the season.
He may not have the best pass but then play him on the wing like bulls did with hougard or rebels do with kingi.
I’m pretty sure he spent a bit of time at the cheetahs on the wing anyway.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:39pm
Carnivean said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
He did, and seriously noone can understand the alleged brain’s trust of the Waratahs at the moment. Getting your best players on the park, utilising their talents is almost always the best option.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:14pm
jeznez said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
there are highly qualified clinical psychologists who cannot understand that Tahs brains trust. Pretorius has been badly wasted this year.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:30pm
Tigranes said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
tahs brains trust = oxymoron
July 19th 2012 @ 2:48pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
On Re-Union last night (we see it on wednesday nights in SA) they were talking about why Sarel Pretorius wasn’t being used, and their thinking was he didm’t fit the Waratahs style of play as his kicking wasn’t good enough.
Not sure I agree with that, I reckon he is a well rounded player.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:23pm
Tigranes said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
What style of play would the Tahs be playing? Losing – both fans and games?
I note Henrik Roodt is playing for the Lions – the Tahs called him Dud.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:37pm
Jutsie said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:37pm | Report comment
that nickname is more creative than any backline move the tahs have pulled off in the last few years.
July 19th 2012 @ 7:11pm
Carnivean said | July 19th 2012 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
I’m fairly certain he didn’t even get on the field for the Tahs. Spent the entire time injured, as many of our “star” signings seem to.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:43pm
jeznez said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
Biltong, both parties are right.
Pretorius is a halfback who thrives on up tempo play, getting to the breakdown quickly to use quickly recycled ball to release the backs quickly or take advantage of any gaps in the defensive line while it struggles to re-set. His running game is up there with the best half backs in the competition.
Unfortunately the Waratahs pack are not capable of playing that game and instead play a slow tempo game. Under those circumstances Pretorius’s pass is not precise enough to handle the fully set defence, and his size (which was shown up last year with him being the leading missed-tackler in the competition) becomes a liability, opposition teams were able to pressure him.
Ultimately I would like the Waratahs to be able to play that up tempo game, recycle and use the ball quickly, take advantage of gaps and support the ball carrier. If the team can get themselves in shape to play that game then Pretorius becomes a fantastic asset.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:54pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:54pm | Report comment
Cool, thanks for your explanation.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:52pm
matthew said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:52pm | Report comment
Good explanation, Jeznez. Thanks.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:31pm
Student said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:31pm | Report comment
Have to disagree with you here about Sarel being a well rounded player. I think he snipes well and is great in broken play, but his passing is weak and can be misdirected. Similar for his box kicks.
I figure if Sarel had stayed in SA, he would still be sitting behind Hougaard and Ruan for the 9 spot. I initially thought Sarel would free up Hougaard to play 11 (due to Habana’s lack of performance over the last few years) but realised that Sarel’s passes wouldn’t make it to Morne standing deep in the pocket nor would they give a running flyhalf (should that day ever come) width should the ball be taken flat. Obviously, with Habana’s rediscovered form, HM was allowed to play his best passing no. 9 at 9.
Sarel’s move makes sense as he probably realised he was too far down the pecking order to have a shot at making the Bok no. 9 spot his own. If you can’t play for your country, go where the money is.
Reason the Waratahs don’t play him is the other ‘tah players are not as alive to the counter-attack as the Cheetahs are. I noticed in the few games that he played that he would often be isolated on counter-attack with no options for a pass or a quick ruck resulting in turnover ball being turned back to Waratah opponents. I imagine his frustration with the lack of game time will eventually drive him back to the Cheetahs….if they’ll have him. As mentioned, the current Cheetah’s 9 has had a pretty solid season and he was included in the Bok training squad as part of the 6.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:44pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:44pm | Report comment
To be honest I haven’t seen him play for so long, I can’t really remember his pass. So I’ll bow down to your opinion.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:59pm
Ricta said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Disappointing thing from an AUS perspective is that 4 of the 5 bottom teams in the non-derby list are from AUS. Clearly the other AUS provinces will need to have some of whatever the Reds are drinking.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:49pm
sheek said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
The conference system might be flawed, but it is what both the provinces & most fans wanted.
For each conference, it means a guaranteed 8 matches WITHIN their own country. Considering the huge amount of travel involved, this is a boon for the provinces. And the fans also love the local derbies.
Okay, we know the conferences are flawed, but so is life. It’s about compromising, about selecting a path whereby most boxes are ticked. And the conference system does this.
Whichever way the final 6 are chosen, there is one absolute – the best province will win out anyway. So we should stop worrying about the ‘small’ stuff.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:05pm
Kuruki said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:05pm | Report comment
I have to admit i really enjoyed the local matches in NZ this season, but i was one fan who at the start of the season actually wanted to see more games vs SA and Aus sides. Reason being, i hate to see NZ sides kill each others chances off and i love to see us beat SA and Aus sides. I am a Chiefs supporter above all, but i am also just as passionate when a NZ team is playing anyone else. In neutral games, i just enjoy the game for what it is.
July 20th 2012 @ 6:54am
justsaying said | July 20th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Does anyone else think they should separate the domestic and international aspects of the tournament? I would love to see more emphasis placed on the conferences within themselves – until recently I wasn’t even sure trophies were awarded for winning conferences. Would it be so difficult to play the intra-conference rounds first, establish the domestic champions, and then play the international rounds after that with finals to follow? I think a structure like that would be so much more interesting…
July 20th 2012 @ 7:02am
biltongbek said | July 20th 2012 @ 7:02am | Report comment
Well my suggestion was have the conference matches first, then let the top three of each conference go to a single round robin Super 9′s and then have semi finals and finals.
Not been too popular with everyone.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:26pm
stuff happens said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:26pm | Report comment
V. interesting article, thanks. Goosens has been a big loss for the Cheetahs, but the guy they’ve missed the most for almost two seasons is Juan Smith, one of the best forwards in the game. Is he likely to return to rugby?
And what’s happening with the Lions scrum?! Two weeks ago they shoved an albeit weakened Stormers scrum around & last week they shunted the Bulls a few times?
July 19th 2012 @ 3:45pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
The question you should be asiking is whether Dean Greyling and Werner Kruger was actually any good.
The Lions front row is actually not their first choice front row, and they did very well against the Bulls first choice.
The Stormers had some injury worries as Brok Harris didn’t play, not sure what it was all about, but their replacement tighthead was very poor.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:55pm
jeznez said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
biltong we saw Greyling and Kruger struggle big time during the Tri-Nations in Oz last year and that was against Kepu, Slipper and Alexander. I think that answers the question doesn’t it?
We saw what happened to that Ozzie trio against stronger opposition later in the year.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:24pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
Jeznes, yes they played three tests now and have shown what poor scrummagers they are, my biggest concern is after seeing how poor they were last year, Meyer still selected Kruger for the last test against England and once again he got manhandled, I hope Meyer now realises that not all that is blue should stick to a springbok jersey like glue.
July 19th 2012 @ 6:50pm
stuff happens said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:50pm | Report comment
Poor scrummaging is rarely just the props; that whole ‘Bok pack was pretty weak as I recall. Hargreaves, Smit!
July 19th 2012 @ 6:57pm
biltongbek said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:57pm | Report comment
True, you need the back up of your pack, however it was his technique that showed he himself couldn’t cope with the basics.
You can see when a pack is not doing their work just as clearly as when a prop can’t stay up, or keeps getting turned, or pops out etc.
Werner Kruger is poor, there is no two ways about it.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:01pm
Kuruki said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
Great article very interesting. I look forward to the day when there are no weak teams in any conference.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:28pm
IvanN said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
Super Rugby needs two tiers – Top 8 and bottom 8.
After playoffs, bottom 8 winner replaced Top 8 loser.
July 19th 2012 @ 6:47pm
AndyS said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:47pm | Report comment
Quite right Ivan, no way the Chiefs deserved to be fighting out the finals this year…the Waratahs should have been there instead
July 19th 2012 @ 6:50pm
Kuruki said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:50pm | Report comment
Mate the Blues would have rolled them all and gone on to win the comp. JK would have left the coaches box at halftime and run out second half on the right wing, dominating.
July 19th 2012 @ 8:58pm
Matt said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:58pm | Report comment
Is it time that SARU started to look at implementing some kind of Salary Cap to their Super Rugby sides?
It would pave the way for a more even conference and see some of the rampant talent hoarding/poaching reduce.
The Blue Bulls have signed up half of the friggin Craven Week players!
I think it would be beneficial for all South African sides if matches were closer across the conferences, where more fans tune in to see an unpredictable result. It would also put in place some numbers for the Kings to aim towards.
In an ideal world we’d see a salary cap applied across Super Rugby, with expansion in 2016 to 6 team conferences and concessions for more imported players into each nation (3-5 per squad) targeting in particular: South African (Namibia, Kenya, Zimbabwe), Australia (Argentina, Canada, USA), New Zealand (Samoa, Tonga, Fiji).
I think it’s also high time that the IRB increased the residency law’s up to 5 years. The current trends for players shifting countries with the aim of representing the national teams (ala WP Nel) is undermining the international game. Most nations require 5 years of occupation prior to citizenship/resedency, so why doesn’t the game take a cue and force players to spend more than a single World Cup cycle in a new country before switching nationality.