Defence a dying art in modern fullbacks
By PuntPal, 19 Jul 2012 PuntPal is a Roar Pro
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There is no doubt that fullback is one of the key positions in the modern game. There is also no doubt we currently have a whole host of superstars that play fullback for their club teams.
Slater, Barber, Bowen, Stewart, Hayne….just to name a few.
But as coaches search for a speedy fullback that can return the ball with gusto and find holes in the opponent’s defence, there has been a drift towards accepting frail defence from the number 1.
This was clearly evident last weekend, when Lachlan Coote and Reece Robinson turned in horrible defensive performances for their teams.
Coote made only 4 tackles for the whole game, but more importantly he missed 4 tackles as well. Similarly, Robinson made a total of only 5 tackles, missing 5 tackles.
These guys therefore were a 50/50 chance of making a tackle when presented with that challenge. Luke Burt deserves a dishonourable mention as well, making 4 tackles, but missing 3.
I know fullbacks are asked to make the most difficult tackles (1-on-1), so they certainly have an envious task in defence. But this seems to be used by modern day fullbacks as excuse to not make any effort at all.
Fullbacks like Bowen and Hayne have also shown themselves to be no hope in defending a break this year.
Obviously an argument could be made that the poor defence of fullbacks in recent times is more a reflection of the improved attack (i.e. better support play, better runners of the ball etc…).
But I think coaches are opting for players based purely on their attacking ability, with not too much concern for the ability of their fullback to stop tries.
Old school fullbacks like Gary Belcher and Gary Jack were famous for their ability to bring down an opponent. But nowadays, most fullbacks are their team’s worst defender.
On the bright side
Although last week provided plenty of examples of a fullback impersonating a turnstile, there were some examples of what being a great fullback is all about.
The first example is a surprising one, as this bloke is usually a winger.
But Nightingale’s defence last Sunday was awesome against the Sharks. He made 6 tackles and only missed 1. Anyone left in doubt that Nightingale is not a superstar should have watched this game. If I was picking a squad of players from the current NRL talent pool, he would be in my top 10 without a doubt.
The other example that deserves to be pointed out (as it was far and away the best play of Round 20) was the cover tackle made by Josh Hoffman in the dying seconds of the Broncos v Warriors game on Friday night.
For those that missed it, the Warriors were down by two points in the dying seconds of the game.
Manu Vatuvei had just scooped up a great cross-field kick from Shaun Johnson. The only thing between Vatuvei and the try line (and an amazing Warriors victory) was an exhausted Hoffman.
Despite the massive size advantage, Hoffman put his body on the line and brought down Vatuvei in a brilliant 1-on-1 tackle.
The play was noted by the commentators, but it certainly didn’t make too many highlight reels. It seems that in the modern day game, scoring a try is so much more glamorous than stopping a try.
It is for this reason we are breeding a generation of fullbacks that are way too focussed on their attack and show little pride in their defence.
But the performance of Hoffman and Nightingale (and the impact this had on the outcome of those games), should send a timely reminder to all NRL coaches – the team that wins this year’s premiership will be the team that has a fullback that saves tries, as well as scoring them.
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July 19th 2012 @ 1:43am
SamClench said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:43am | Report comment
Nightingale is an absolute superstar, no doubt about it. People often forget about him. I would also put forward Minichiello as a fullback who really understood the defensive side of the game. In his twilight years now though.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:23am
Knight Vision said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:23am | Report comment
I forget what article it was but I remember reading around Origin time about the size difference of players today compared to 25 yrs ago and the difference is massive. Gary Jack and Gary Belcher were bringing down 75kg centres and 85kg back rowers , the modern day fullback is attempting to bring down 95 kg centres and 105 kg back rowers who are on the fly ( and they are the small ones ) . I believe Greg Inglis has a playing weight of around 105 kg and the bloke runs like a race horse, Good luck in trying to stop that guy one on one. Players of the past would just get eaten alive in the professional era of today where these modern day players are just so massive.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:14pm
PuntPal said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
This is a fair point and something I should have paid more attention to. The attacking abilities are amazing nowadays and some fullbacks dont stand a chance against Barba, Inglis etc….
July 19th 2012 @ 8:03am
Jimbo said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
I recall Brett Stewart making a tremendous cover tackle on Greg inglis i origin 2, 2008. It counted for nought because he was the only player on the field for NSW that night. Slater has also done some tremendous defensive work over the years, and to me, it is just as impressive and certainly as important as their work in attack.
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July 20th 2012 @ 8:35am
Mals said | July 20th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Brett Stewart is the best defensive fullback in the game followed closely by Slater who’s defence has improved out of sight in the past 3 years.
July 19th 2012 @ 8:55am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Barba struggled to get game time until he fixed his defence.
I think you are just look at past players with your rose coloured glasses, forgetting that they weren’t tackling machines, and made the same amount of mistakes as the top fullbacks are currently. No point bringing in the Reece Robinsons and Coote’s into the equation, as they aren’t fit to tie the laces of any of the top fullbacks until they can show they can play a total game. No fullback is going to make every tackle, you just hope they can make the ones that count when the game is on the line.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:15pm
PuntPal said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
True – the fact that Burt, Robinson and Coote are not genuine number 1′s is why they cant defend. Not proof that number 1′s cant defend any more
But I suppose that was my point too – coaches need to consider the defence of the players they pick for fullback, even if only standing in.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:12am
Andy said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
I think Stewart is one of if not the best defensive fullbacks given his try saves in the past two years. Also, if your teams fullback is saving more than 18 tries in the regular season it does help your team win the tight games and get them into the finals.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:17pm
PuntPal said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Exactly…I wish the media paid more attention to try savers.
I have seen Scott Sattlers cover tackle in th e GF against Roosters about 100 times, but a play like Josh Hoffman’s on Friday night was glossed over.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:25am
Ken said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Have to disagree with this point of view, you can name a couple of individual players in the fullback position that aren’t great defenders, especially easy when you highlight a specific bad weekend, but overall I think defence from the back has improved across the competition. I can think of a number of times players like Slater, Stewart, Barba, despite all of them being quite small, have pulled off great try saving moves this season that you wouldn’t have expected them to make.
Fullbacks are never going to have the greatest effective tackle stats, they generally only make a handful of tackles per game and a fair percentage will be broken field play – players coming at them at full speed with room to move and often players in support. The players from yesteryear that you mentioned were good defenders but it’s not like opposition teams never scored tries against them either, it’s unlikely their stats were significantly better than anyone going around today.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:55am
Cugel said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Jumper grabbing. it’s the modern way. The sort of stuff I used laugh at union players for doing years ago. It works obviously, but there are many situations where it’s absolutely the wrong choice – but they don’t know how to do anything else any more.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:15am
PuntPal said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Thanks for the replies, some very good points made.
I wonder whether this is a tactic thing…i.e. How do you stop someone 1-on-1 or even 2-on-1.
There are a few approaches, but the worst approach is to just line up the ball carrier while standing still. We saw Burt do this and Coote do this, with both guys getting nowhere near stopping their opponentss.
Bowen goes for interecepts and I cant remember him pulling off too many of these.
I think the best approach was the one used by Slater. Recognising his speed advantage, Slater would often turn and try to make sure he was running in the same direction as his opponent and effectively ‘jockey’ (to use a Soccer term) his opponent. Although this can make the fullback look like a fool (when they are turned inside out), I think it has the following advantages:
- you force the player to think and this can lead to an error
- you allow your team time to get back in cover and sometimes this is enough to cut off support players etc…
- you can at least ensure the player doesnt score under the posts, by making them run towards the sideline
I was a front rower, so old team mates of mine may laugh that I am putting forward this approach as I couldnt stop my grandma if I was a fullback, but the guys that have the speed should use this approach more often in my opinion
July 19th 2012 @ 11:05am
Toa said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
Good post.
Im no expert so personally i guess positioning is important being last man in defence your countering your oppositions four options 1.The kick over the top 2.The support play 3.The side step. 4.the bulldoze run. Standing square the outcome i’d imagine attackers would burn you on 12&3 if your a weak defender well number 4 gets a mention. From nrl games i’ve seen fullbacks on the goal line are good defenders with their full compliment of players where once there’re exposed they have the task within a couple of seconds of assessing 123&4. Fullbacks use learnt lessons to their advantage by always trying to turn their opposition number around.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:32am
The Barry said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
I don’t agree at all.
Some of the things that Slater, Minichello and Stewart in particular have done over recent seasons have been remarkable.
Ditto Barba and to a lesser degree Hoffman this year. I’ve also seen Bowen make plenty of try savers.
It’s not just a one-on-one tackle, it’s a one-on-one tackle on someone running at full pace while you’re flat footed, invariably with options to step either way, pass either side or kick over the top.
My view on this is that any try a fullback saves with defence is a bonus not an expectation.
Wally Lewis beat Garry Jack cold in 1989 to score in the corner and win an Origin game.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:08pm
PuntPal said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
As you may have read above, I clearly point out that fullbacks shouldnt be ‘flat footed’…so excusing them for this is part of the problem.
I think you have actually proven my point, there is no expectation now placed on fullbacks to make the tackle.
You have also glossed over the facts that I pointed out from last week (Burt, Coote and Robinson) were all made to look like scarecrows by their oppoints.
If you crunched the numbers, about 90% of 1-1 tackles from fullbacks are totally missed now. Just not good enough in my opinion.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:31pm
The Barry said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
Sorry mate too many spurious references for my liking.
“If” you crunched the numbers. Crunching the numbers is prettt important if you’re going to start throwing stats around.
Even if we allow that it is 90% it’s only bad if we have something to compare it to (other than your fond, vague memories of Garry Jack).
I’ve been watching footy for over 30 years and I’ve always thought that about fullbacks, it’s not just lately. Try saving tackles by fullbacks are normally when they’re coming across in cover defence, not faced one-on-one.
It’s all well and good saying you should turn and run in the same direction but only exceptionally gifted speedsters like Slater, Stewart and Barba can come close to pulling that off. If you watch closely even they only do it as a last resort.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:40pm
PuntPal said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:40pm | Report comment
Sorry, “when” I crunched the numbers – it was 90% during this season. Take it or leave it, but I think saying you have watched over 30 years and therefore you should know, it probably a little more spurious.
My fondness for the old days was probably overstated…I take your point, that I cannot properly support my claims that the 80′s / mid 90s had better defencive fullbacks, but I stand by my claim that last weekend we reached a new low for fullback defence in the NRL
July 19th 2012 @ 3:13pm
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
I would say the low is the same when Wingers fill it at fullback in any era, given your examples you used.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:22pm
PuntPal said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:22pm | Report comment
Fair call
July 20th 2012 @ 1:21pm
The Barry said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:21pm | Report comment
I didn’t say I KNEW anything. My point about watching footy for 30 years is that I’ve always had the same opinion that any time a fullback stops a try in that situation is a bonus.
Your fullback is your last line of defence and you’re suggesting that they should let attacking players past them and then turn and chase and round them up? How fast do you think these blokes are ?
This is a last resort tactic for the exceptionally fast not a standard play for all fullbacks.