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So far, a cheeky Gold Coast Suns promotional campaign featuring a defaced Brisbane player’s image has sparked the only thing nearing fiery in the lead-up to Queensland’s AFL derby.
It’s not quite the fire and brimstone stuff promised by the equivalent clashes in WA and South Australia.
Hunt post-siren goal gives Suns AFL win
Indeed, Suns assistant Ken Hinkley on Wednesday even tried to back away from the Suns tongue-in-cheek stunt in which graffiti appears on Lions midfielder Daniel Rich’s image on the Gold Coast website and billboards.
But Hinkley promised their rivalry would soon equal the bruising WA and SA derbies which AFL fans have come to relish.
The Lions were not impressed when Rich’s image sported horns, a beard, glasses and an “I love GC” tattoo on his arm on Tuesday – on Wednesday it was a tiara and tutu.
“The kids can do their finger paintings and the men will play footy this weekend,” Lions midfielder Jack Redden said of the images ahead of the Metricon Stadium clash on Saturday.
But Hinkley clearly did not want to enter a war of words.
“Part of the build-up to the rivalry game that we’ve got is that there’s a little bit of extra stuff going on from a marketing point of view,” he said.
“I’m sure it’s to create a little bit of flavour and hopefully we get a good, strong crowd that comes along because of that.
“But let’s be honest – the rivalry stands at 2-1 their way. We’ve got to do our best to get it to 2-2 on the footy ground.”
The Lions have won their past two clashes by 11 (2012) and 10 goals (2011) respectively – but Hinkley said their rivalry would soon be the envy of the AFL.
“It’ll build – I guarantee it will build,” Hinkley said after a closed Suns training session on Wednesday.
“It’ll take off. No doubt both sides will want to own their part of the territory.
“It’s going to be a powerful game in a few years to come. The game will be a sell-out – people will be wanting to get in and see it.”
After Lions coach Michael Voss said his side would walk “an aggressive tightrope” this weekend, Hinkley claimed the Suns would not back down – especially after their shock last-round upset over Richmond.
“It’s a brutal game and, if you’re not going close to the line all the time, you’re probably going to get beaten,” he said.
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July 19th 2012 @ 7:43am
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
Oh please, enough of this rivalry rubbish. It is an insult to all teams that actually engage in a genuine rivalry each year. Is there any ‘rivalries’ as closely media-managed as the QLD and NSW AFL derbies? Cringe.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:01am
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:01am | Report comment
When I saw this article I knew there would be some Rugby League tragic commenting on it. Good to see you are showing an interest though.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:11am
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Sorry to disappoint, but not a RL fan at all. Code-waring has nothing to do with it, all sports fans including AFL fans should find this sort of contrivance of rivalries deplorable. Good to see the AFL volunteer PR officers monitoring the situation though.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:24am
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
Overlooking the fact that I have seen you post on many rugby league articles, why is it that you care so much? It’s 4 games in, of course it’s not big, of course they’re trying to build it up. Not once have I seen them claim it will be as big as state of origin, or even the Broncos vs Titans (which was very contrived itself) but it’s Brisbane vs Goldcoast – there’s something there. Anyway you don’t strike me as someone who listens to common sense so i’ll let you continue this crusade with the rest of your little buddies, it has clearly prevented the AFL becoming the number 1 sport in Australia..
July 19th 2012 @ 11:33am
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
I care because it makes a mockery out of the real rivalries we enjoy in all football codes, rivalries that actually have historical and cultural meaning. These sort of contrived rivalries (yes, they do occur in all football codes) are damaging to the whole concept of sporting rivalry – the concept will end up meaning nothing, just some word marketers plonk onto the end of promos. Surely you must be able to grasp this? The fact is that the Lions are a merger between a Melbourne club and a failed Brisbane franchise, the Suns are a completely manufactured strategic outpost led by a bloke from Geelong, it is not “Brisbane v Gold Coast” it is AFL Queensland franchise 1 v AFL Queensland franchise 2. The only reason anyone thinks this is a rivalry is because that is the line from AFL head office, the whole thing is completely stage-managed. Luckily they have both a compliant media and an army of subordinate volunteer PR officers that will eat this stuff up and continue to push the AFL’s agenda.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:39am
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Well said
July 19th 2012 @ 12:04pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
So tell me RC, when the NRL finally pull their finger out and bring in a second Brisbane team will you carry on about a contrived rivalry with the Broncos? Because that’s is exactly what it will be. You make the point that it is AFL Qld franchise 1 vs 2 and while that is true, at the same time it is also two AFL teams that represent Brisbane and the Gold Coast respectively. And contrary to all the trolls on here there are many aussie rules fans in SEQ.
What are we not allowed any rivalries anymore unless the teams have been around 100 years? The Suns are in their second year and it makes complete sense to have a derby between them and the lions. It won’t happen overnight but it will happen. Now if the AFL was trying to push a rivalry between St kilda and Port then you would have every right to jump up and down but it’s not. It’s Lions vs Suns, exactly the same as Victory vs heart or Broncos vs Cowboys, the only reason you care is because it’s the AFL – tall poppy syndrome at it’s finest.
And as for Macca, you are just some grumpy old man i’m guessing. All you ever do is right negative dribble. You don’t like aussie rules, you just love Carlton – and for that i’m sorry. But honestly, get a life. Or a hobby.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:33pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
“It won’t happen overnight but it will happen” This statement suggests that it has not happened yet! Exactly what I have been saying, so we actually agree. When it does “happen” I will welcome all mid-week hype articles, until then we should not be subjected to this cringe worthy talk of rivalry.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:02pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
But if it was an article about the Broncos playing the bombers you would not bat an eyelid. That is my point.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:05pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Complete rubbish, I have mentioned several times that this is not exclusively an AFL issue. It is entirely possible that a Brisbane RL ‘derby’ could be completely contrived, it depends on the identity of the second team. It is far less likely though considering the significant presence of the “love RL – hate the Broncos” sentiment in Brisbane that would instantly warm to an alternative Brisbane RL team. This fact does not however make the idea of the “Q-Clash” and all the faux rivalry and stage-management that comes with it any less deplorable.
July 23rd 2012 @ 1:57pm
Australian Rules said | July 23rd 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Not sure what RC is going on about.
You don’t need 100 years of history to have a “rivalry”…though time does help.
All teams which share a city will have a natural rivalry…just like the Heart v Victory do.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:23am
Nathan of Perth said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Yeah, I will say that the difference between a legitimate rivalry and a fabricated rivalry is as that between night and day. Close games, heartache and dirty deeds will eventually net the Suns and Giants more noteworthy rivalries.
With their last two games in Cairns, the Suns might have the start of something with Richmond already (nyuk nyuk).
I don’t think that bragging rights “around town” are going to be a huge issue even for a local derby. And whoever thought of the name “Q-Clash” should have been dragged onto the street in front of AFL House and shot repeatedly, then run over with a tram.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:39am
mds1970 said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Rivalries evolve over time.
As a GWS supporter, the local derby against the Swans was billed as a rivalry; but we haven’t really developed anything there yet. From a GWS perspective, our biggest rival so far is Melbourne.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Redb said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Correct.
Rivalries often kick in when the teams are near the top of the ladder. I suspect a competitive GWS would be a more formidable rival in years to come for the Swans.
There is a natural rivalry however small between all the clubs in the one state though. Its a bit of fun this GC v BL, hurts no-one.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:10pm
John D said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
“then run over with a tram”. Nice final flourish, that.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:23pm
Nathan of Perth said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
I’m feeling creative today.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:19am
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
I am with you rivalry’s develop organically you can’t impose one just because of geographic convenience.
I would suggest West Coast and Sydney have a bigger rivalry than wither of the new teams have with their “derby rivals” which developed out of 2 classic grand finals and a series of close matches.
Carlton Essendon Richomnd and Collingwood are all great rivals but North Melbourne, Melbourne, St Kilda and the Bulldogs would struggle to name a real rival.
These exapansion teams rivalries will only be built by being competitive and building an actual supporter base, both of which they are a long way off.
I would alos say Richmond and the Gold Coast probably have a greater rivalry than the Lions and the gold coast, which will probably get bigger if the Tiges miss the finals because of last weekends loss.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:31am
Nathan of Perth said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:31am | Report comment
West Coast is starting to worm into the consciousness of a few clubs like that.
But even things as small as the jacket-waving incident has echoed through the years and now WCE-Ess matches are serious business on both ends. It wasn’t a scripted moment, it was an organic thing.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:44am
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:44am | Report comment
Exactly, you can’t just see these clubs have a rivalry, it starts because someone broke someones jaw, or the coach responds to a great victory, or after a series of grand final losses. Not because the AFL said so.
July 19th 2012 @ 7:57am
Brewski said | July 19th 2012 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Hopefully will be a close and interesting game, I am looking forward to it, can the Suns be competetive back to bacK.
Also interesting to note that there are more QLDers on the Suns list than there are on the Brisbane Lions list, and FWIW there are more QLDers on the Suns list than the Titans NRL list.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:32am
Australian Rules said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Didn’t realise that, interesting Brew.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:47pm
yewonk said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:47pm | Report comment
how many fron northern nsw on the titans team?
July 19th 2012 @ 9:52am
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
Interesting fact about the number of QLDers in the Suns compared to the Titans. Maybe the Suns should use that as part of their marketing. That would get the other crowd really frothing at the mouth.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:49am
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
No it won’t. Any real red blooded Queenslander will be watching the Reds beat the Sharks on Saturday night. The only people who care about the Q clash will be X southerns like yourself GCS.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:58am
Redb said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
You obviously care Cman. Would you like a tissue?
July 19th 2012 @ 12:00pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
Yes, I do care about the Reds winning the comp.
Hope no tissues are needed.
But thank you for thinking of me.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:38pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
It must be killing you that Union is the poor relation of the Rugby codes in Australia. Any news on a Gold Coast rugby team? Would there be any support for it?
I guess I could say that the only people who care about Reds V Sharks are dinosaurs like you and X South Africans, but I’m a gentleman, so I won’t.
July 19th 2012 @ 1:56pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
GCS if you must know Im a NRL fan first then a RU fan a distance second.
The Reds are a great Queensland team that have been around for 130 years and earned their place in the hearts and minds of Queenslanders. Not a Disneyland team invented in Melbourne by the AFL to keep people like yourself from missing home.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:00pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:00pm | Report comment
‘Earned their place in the hearts and minds of Queenslanders’ – yeah because they were really big before they won last year, watch the bandwaggon jump off as they slip down the ladder.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:18pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
Thats probably true Michael/Brisbane.
Just like fans that have left the Brisbane Lions in record numbers.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:34pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
It’s a bit sad that old timers like you hate the fact that born and bred Queenslanders like AFL. Never mind, your numbers are slowly dwindling.
Make sure you tune in at 4.40pm this Saturday, so that you can then dispute the crowd figure.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:47pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
GCS, I believe you when you say their are more QLD guys in the Suns than the Titans and thats why they are coming equal last.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
Are you trying to say that QLDers are bad athletes? It’s hard to pick your agenda on this one Cman.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:34pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
@ Michael/Brisbane
They are at AFL
July 19th 2012 @ 2:16pm
clipper said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
GCS – Maybe you should re word this – Rugby has always been played by the more affluent people in Australia, so therefore league is the ‘poor’ cousin. Maybe one day Rugby could have a team in the Gold Coast, as it has quite a traditional following, but not anytime soon that’s for sure.
Do like your point about there being more QLD guys in the Suns than the Titans – shows they have a strong base to grow on.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:40pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:40pm | Report comment
I meant ‘poor relation’ in the context of media attention and general interest, but get your drift.
I’m sure Cman would like to see the Queenslander Suns birth certificates for verification, and if any of them have a Victorian parent, then it doesn’t count.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:57am
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:57am | Report comment
@ Brewski
Ahhh… Is that why the Sun’s are coming last. We QLD’s should be so proud of that team of losers
July 19th 2012 @ 1:28pm
Phelpsy said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
Suns aren’t last ???
July 19th 2012 @ 1:59pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Don’t tell him that, you’ll ruin his day. He is already stroppy about the Suns having a good news story.
July 19th 2012 @ 2:45pm
PJ said | July 19th 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
GCS buzz off down to Melbourne I have to agree with Cman suncorp stadium will be full on Saturday night with Qlders wanting to watch and appreciate a real game. Metricon will be lucky to be half full – you can guarantee sums officials will inflate crowd figures just like their brothers at the Titans will be doing tomorrow night #wearered
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July 19th 2012 @ 3:08pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
Has Suncorp ever been full for a Reds match? My guess is probably not. The bandwagon seems to have plateaued. Have fun watching your ‘real’ English game.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:12pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
Has the bandwagon even been built for the Suns?
July 19th 2012 @ 3:14pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
They are not after a bandwagon, they are after real supporters. Supporters that will appreciate success when it comes.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
They’ll definitely appreciate success when (if) it comes, just like a starving man appreciates catching a mouse.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:15pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
Seems pretty much everyone on here that likes AFL is on it Macca.
Except for holdouts like your good self and Hawks8109(?). It’s like finding a old Japanese dude on a Phillipine Island in the 70′s.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Must be a fun trip does the abdn play anything but funeral dirges?
And you really should of put the wheels on before everyone piled in!!
I can’t think why myself and Hawks 9108 wouldn’t want to jump on, maybe it has something to do with them winning 1 game in the last 23 and 4 in 40.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:27pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Oh so you’re one of those supporters eh?
July 19th 2012 @ 3:35pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
No I am a Carlton supporter.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:36pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Pow. that is solid support MAcca. Were you a Blues supporter when we were at the bottom of the ladder?
July 19th 2012 @ 3:43pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Certainly was, but I wasn’t going around spruiking they were about to win a premiership.
I don’t have a problem with people supporting their team, I do have a problem with people seeing a turd and trying to convince me it is chocolate.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
You are such a Victorian GCS.
The Super 15 Grand Final last year was a sell out. The Reds have over 30,000 members.
They got over 42,000 last week and 50,000 strong crowd this Saturday night looks likely.
The Q clash will get 12,000 with who knows how many free-tickets and TV ratings might crack 20,000. Money well spent AFL
July 19th 2012 @ 3:32pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
You really want to compare crowds with the AFL? How were those Red’s crowds before they started winning? You’ll get close to 50 000 for a final with a team that represents a whole state, there will be 15 000-20 000 on Saturday for a team that has won 4 out of 40. I know which is more impressive.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Let’s just wait to see that 15-20k before you start bragging too much and considering it has the 2 teams that represent the whole state and one of those has been one of the more successful clubs of the last decade I am not sure you argument is as strong as you hoped.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:39pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:39pm | Report comment
Yeah, I do want to compare crowds with the AFL. Reds are averaging 33,000 plus. What are the Lion’s and Suns averaging?
The Suns wont even get 20,000 people watching on TV let along at the game.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:47pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:47pm | Report comment
Apples with apples champ, answer me this: when the lions were winning did they have a higher crowd average and memberships then the reds? I’ll save you the trouble: YES, yes they did.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:53pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
And what happenned to them all? It has been what 8 years since they won the premiership for the third time in a row, 7 since they made the grand final and what 3 since they made the finals and the supporter base couldn’t hold up to this small drop in form? Is it Premisership or nothing up there?
If a club that has had the success Brisbane has had can’t hold supporters what hope do the Suns have?
July 19th 2012 @ 4:02pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
Macca, the Lions have a core following of about 20 000, and I expect the Suns to have about 10-15. When they are winning and playing attractive football then the numbers will grow. My point wasn’t that the Lions are super popular, old mate is just bragging about having big crowds and members for the reds which have only come about after they won and will disapear when they go back down. There is a case to be made for the bandwaggon support of QLDers though.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:19pm
Macca said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:19pm | Report comment
A core group of 20k how many of them buy a membership?
And 20k isn’t sustainable in the long term and 10-15 definitely isn’t.
And if Brisbane has dropped that far so shortly after being very successful how successul will the Suns have to be?
Remember the only teams to have won an AFL premiership this century (2001) are Brisbane, Port Adelaide, Sydney, West Coast, Geelong, Hawthorn and Collingwood. Of them Collingwoods was the first since 1990, Hawthorns was their first since 1991, Ports was the only one they have had, West Coast was the first since 1994 and Sydney was still South Melbourne.
From all this you can see premierships don’t come often or easy and if a clubs supporters can’t handle waiting 8 years then there future is clouded.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:48pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
Since that period of success though the Lions have been horrible, they have fallen away on and off the field and off-sided a lot of fans (the fevola incident etc). this isn/t about the Lions future, nor the Suns for that matter. if you want, write an article about that. this was a harmless article about the game this Saturday that got hijacked by anti-AFL trolls and you being the grumpy, negative, wish-they-would-return-to-the-VFL guy you are have jumped on board.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:35pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
I’m not, but I don’t consider that an insult anyway. There are a lot of South Africans in Brisbane, so you might get a good crowd. Let me know where I can get these free tickets from, so my friends can get their $38.50 back.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:40pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
July 19th 2012 @ 3:45pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
Don’t be shy RC, spit it out.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:51pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
With every small fries at McDonalds
$38.50 is a lot of money to watch a team that have never won at home.
The AFL BrainWash you good in Melbourne.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:03pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
That’s the cheapest ticket as well. Just shows how dedicated AFL fans are. We are here for the long haul. Let’s see whether you keep going to Reds games when they go down the table.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:06pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Spoken like a true League fan, no wonder the crowds are so embarrassing.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:06pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
What team are you going to follow when the Reds aren’t winning Fairweather Fred?
July 20th 2012 @ 8:27am
Redb said | July 20th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Hilarious from Cman, the rugby league faithful have been brainwashed for years by their Lord Masters – News Ltd. lol
Here it goes “Fear the AFL”, “Fear the AFL” ….. stop being scared it’s just sport.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:12pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
Head down to Suncorp to watch a bunch of NSWelshmen, New Guineans, New Zealanders and maybe a couple of actual QLDers, or, head to metricon and watch a team containg actual Queenslanders.
But seriously, have a good night. I hear Suncorp staff will be handing out rule books like footy records.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:25pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:25pm | Report comment
Micka,
Again, with so many Queenslanders in the team thats why the Suns are coming equal last.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:36pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Please explain?
July 19th 2012 @ 3:40pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:40pm | Report comment
Cman is strangely saying that QLders are terrible at sport… and trying to justify why there are bug*er all Qlders in a team that is meant to be representing the state of Qld in Union.
Kind of sad really.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:43pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
Reds will have 50,000 Queenslanders at Suncorp – all who recognise the gravity of the contest, the magnitude of their opposition and the importance of having our state represented in the best provincial rugby competition in the world. Most of them will know who the players are at which Brisbane school or club they have received their rugby education. This team means something, they represents someone.
The “Q-Clash” will have a crowd of Victorian ex-pats at the game because the AFL told them they should go, they will rabidly support a game that carries no significance to the state or even the AFL competition out of a sense of parochialism to their home state and blind loyalty to their leader. The teams are complete fabrications, the result is moot.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:54pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
“AFL competition out of a sense of parochialism to their home state and blind loyalty to their leader. The teams are complete fabrications, the result is moot.”
LoL…It’s Funny because it’s so true!
Well said RC!
July 19th 2012 @ 4:06pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Cman – I don’t know what is funnier, RC’s post or you saying that “it’s so true”?
I thought most Union supporters were privately educated. You really should ask for your money back.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:32pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
Cman, I’d return fire but I couldn’t for the life of me tell you who runs the ARU.
I assume he must be a dynamic go getter affecting progress and change in the Australian sporting landscape…..hahahahaha.
I’ve gotta go, I have to get ready for the big Stormers v. Cheaters game. Big buy in for Aussie sport fans there…
July 24th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Australian Rules said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
RC and Cman, the Reds crowd on the wknd was 36,000…for a knockout final. This, as you say, in Australian rugby heartland.
You can talk all you want about which clubs are “real” and which games “mean something” (it was a final after all)…but there were tens of thousands of people around Australia who were more engaged in Australian Footy on the wknd.
4 AFL games had higher crowds than the Reds final…including 84,000 at the Collingwood v Hawthorn game.
Make whatever rousing speech you want…but that’s the reality.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:56pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
This whole expat argument is p*ssweak, I could claim the same for the Reds and Broncos (Kiwi’s, Safas, Mexicans). Me ( a born and bred QLDer) and all of my QLD mates will be going to the game, not because we were told to, but because we enjoy live aussie rules football and are fortunate enough to have 2 teams that represent SEQ – which are aparently fabrications because they havn’t always been here?
July 19th 2012 @ 3:56pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
RC… There are very few Qlders in the Reds team which is pretty wierd considering it is the only QLD team “representing” the state in Super Rugby.
Surely the fact they could only scrounge 5 teams in the whole country is a bit worrying, no?
And it’s not the Q Clash, its the Pinapple Grapple. Get it right.
At least the parochial Vic expats will actually be watching Qlders put boot to ball.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:20pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
Complete rubbish. The majority of the team are Queenslanders, even if they weren’t born in Queensland they are still a product of Queensland rugby.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:38pm
micka said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
“Even if they weren’t born in QLD…”
Plenty of born and Bred QLDers in the Suns…
July 19th 2012 @ 6:22pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
Yes I’m sure there are Micka. Just like there are in the Reds, skipper James Horwill for instance – where was the captain of the Suns born I wonder? I was referring to the likes Genia and Cooper, born overseas but have been developed and nutured by Queensland rugby from juniors to the Reds. The squad is from all over Queensland, Simmons is from Theodore, Holmes from Allora, Davies from Rockhampton. The notion that there are “very few” Queenslanders in the Reds is complete rubbish, it shows you know sweet fa about Queensland Rugby.
July 20th 2012 @ 9:05am
micka said | July 20th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
It shows you haven’t actually gone through their list RC. There is at least as many Islanders as there are QLDers (actual queenslanders, not just people who happen to have trained at some point within the boundaries of QLD- or developed as you call it).
I believe Ablett was born in Geelong but I could be wrong. Makes sense to have the strongest and most inspiring player with leadership qualities as your capitano. Nathing wrong with that.
July 20th 2012 @ 10:09am
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
So you have now gone from “very few” and “bugger all” to “just as many islanders as Queenslanders”? The Reds draw from the Queensland Rugby system, that is what makes them representative of the state, it shows the strength of our schools and clubs that we can produce such quality players. Queensland Rugby has a long tradition of developing players with a Pacific Island background, what is wrong with this? Many players of islander background are through and through Queenslanders, look at the Kefu brothers – these boys are every inch Queenslanders. It is the Queensland Rugby pathways that develop them from raw talent into professional Rugby players. The likes of Harris and Robinson have been recruited from outside, but this is the reality of professional rugby and the salary cap, it is impossible to keep all of our best players. The fact is that the Reds although not a representative team like The Wallabies or Maroons, still represent the strength of the sport in this state, with many of their players including the captain born and bred Queenslanders. This is in stark contrast to the Suns who have had to bring in a skipper and senior players from Victoria, then top that up with the publicity-driven recruitment of K.Hunt – a product of Brisbane Rugby League. What does this say about the sport in Queensland?
July 19th 2012 @ 3:56pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
That is a brilliant post RC, and I’m so glad they have given you internet access at the asylum.
You’re right though, all Victorian ex-pats receive a weekly email from the AFL with instructions to attend the next AFL match.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:14pm
NF said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
GCS AFL fans should be the last to talk about bandwagons when it come to QLD. Now I’m a leaguie compared to Rough Conduct who was a unionist who hates league yet he shows up in league forums for the sake of trolling which is pathetic of him. I don’t mind if the Suns/Lions create there niche but don’t even think QLD will become a AFL state. People thought it was during Lions 01-03 but it fell off onto the QLD Reds. Sooner than later the Reds bandwagon will fall too.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:28pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
I don’t recall anyone thinking that QLD was an AFL state during the Lions reign. I’m sure everyone is well aware that League is a lot more popular than AFL to the general population. The AFL are after more than a niche and understand that it will take decades. There are a lot of anti-AFL silly old fools in Queensland, but they won’t be around forever.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:32pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:32pm | Report comment
Neither will the Suns!
July 19th 2012 @ 4:42pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
Longer than the Reds, Rams, the 99 Gold Coast Rugby League teams they/ve had, oh, and the Titans for that matter.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:13pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:13pm | Report comment
Reds 130 years old. Rugby Union is played in 130 countries around the world and is a Olympic and Commonwealth games sport. With a World Cup every 4 years.
Then you have the Suns.
Pull the Victorian money and the team is dead by next week and thats a fact!
July 19th 2012 @ 5:24pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
What Victorian money? What do you think the sponsorship deals with HostPlus and Virgin are for?
You can dress up the 130 countries baloney anyway you want. We’re Australian and we love the Australian game. You can stick with the English game.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:37pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
I was talking about the Western Reds..
but you knew that anyway.
July 19th 2012 @ 6:12pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:12pm | Report comment
The irony of AFL people writing comments like “You can stick with the English game” in English is hilarious – do you really not see it? How do you feel about cricket, tea and Westminster government? Despise them also? Is there some hideous Victorian alternatives you want to force down our throats for these as well?
July 19th 2012 @ 6:30pm
Titus said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:30pm | Report comment
If Australia invents a better form of football than Football then I’m on board, till then I won’t be watching it just because it’s Australian…..I like the tradition and the passion of the Victorian fans, but I find the game extremely scrappy and way to long, with frequent blowouts.
I apply the same formula to Australian bands and movies.
July 19th 2012 @ 6:52pm
Nathan of Perth said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:52pm | Report comment
“I apply the same formula to Australian bands and movies.”
There are not-for-profits and government departments that would lynch you for that
July 20th 2012 @ 9:29am
clipper said | July 20th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
This ‘english’ game is a bit silly – Rugby is not Aussie Rules enemy. League has almost become a NSW / QLD game as it becomes stronger here and weaker in the couple of other countries that play it. Therefore the hostility is between two domestic sports scrapping over state lines, with AFL increasing its share across league states and league well … having a team in Melbourne.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:37pm
Cman said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
HostPlus and Virgin would go broke if they had to fund the Suns.
Without the AFL millions getting pumped in they would be gone. (So would the Lions)
The Reds, Titians, Broncos are all funded by themselves.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:41pm
Redb said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
The Titans are well funded yes – what a dolt you are
July 19th 2012 @ 4:43pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
Not even you believe that. You know they will be around, long after you have gone to meet your maker.
July 19th 2012 @ 6:06pm
Rough Conduct said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:06pm | Report comment
They will be around until the AFL get sick of pumping Melbourne money into them, they will then send a struggling Melbourne club up there to merge with the Suns.
July 19th 2012 @ 6:41pm
Brewski said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
I reckon you will get sick of trolling before the AFL stops supporting them, but keep em coming, i can talk all day about something i like, and you can talk all day about ….
July 20th 2012 @ 3:36pm
Redb said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
yawn wake me up when you’ve finished trolling rough conduct.
July 23rd 2012 @ 2:06pm
Australian Rules said | July 23rd 2012 @ 2:06pm | Report comment
The Suns made a profit in their first year…from operations, not from “pumping Melbourne money”.
July 23rd 2012 @ 2:31pm
Macca said | July 23rd 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
Australian Rules – How much Melbourne money has been put in to paying Hunt, or building Metricon? What did the AFL spend on the Suns last year in total?
How much of the salary cap did the suns use last year?
As for this talk of profit, something doesn’t add up in those figures, no AFL club could have that low membership and attendances and make money.
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:36pm
Australian Rules said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
This “Melbourne money” comment is nonsense. The competition has been a national one for decades now…even if HQ resides in Melbourne.
As for the Suns making a profit…they fell into the black at the end of the year after the Foo Fighters concert. The club holds management rights to Metricon, meaning they can profit for ALL events held there.
This was made posisble through the AFL’s $10M contribution to the re-fit of the carrara stadium.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:52pm
JVGO said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
Certainly appears to be some sort of rivalry going on up there in Qld.
July 19th 2012 @ 5:23pm
Nathan of Perth said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
This thread is the most concentrated dose of mindless knobbishness that I have seen in a long time. What the hell is wrong with you nutters?
July 19th 2012 @ 5:30pm
GCS said | July 19th 2012 @ 5:30pm | Report comment
What can I say, we’re Queenslanders
July 19th 2012 @ 6:36pm
Brewski said | July 19th 2012 @ 6:36pm | Report comment
Its quite comical , and quite sad as well, that people go out of their way to put Australian football down in the great state of QLD, QLDers by and large love all sport and give everyone a fair go, bar the one or two losers that have posted on here.
The facts are that, over 50 QLDers are on AFL club lists, our indigenous game was established in QLD before both rugbys, and ATM there are more QLDers on the Suns list than either the Brisbane Lions or the NRL’S Titans, that is a pretty telling statement of what the Suns have been doing, and are currently doing to grow the native code in QLD.
A great game was played in Cairns, with the Suns winning last weekend, and i look forward to the Suns giving as much against the Lions.
Perhaps one day their will be a great rivalry between both QLD AFL teams, but as we know that takes time.
The Eagles and Dockers certainly did take a bit of time.
When Collingwood played Carlton in their first first VFA game in 1892, Carlton offered to play at Vic Park, although it was officialy a Carlton home game, and donate all their proceeds to Collingwood. …… look at their rivalry now.
July 19th 2012 @ 7:27pm
Michael/Brisbane said | July 19th 2012 @ 7:27pm | Report comment
Exactly right. I just don’t understand some people. If you hate the AFL and think it’s a stain on Australian society then just don’t give it any of your time or money. The fact that certain people feel the need to deathride Aussie rules at every opportunity says more about fear then it does about hatred. It’s absolutely disgraceful that this culture of hating Australian football has been created by the NSW rugby league fraternity all because it originated in Victoria. There’s room for them all, they’re all great in their own way, open your mind a little.
July 20th 2012 @ 12:27pm
Emric said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
Open your mind. I was reading the hereld sun the other week and out of the 10 pages on sports there was 10 pages of AFL and 1 tiny article on cricket.
July 20th 2012 @ 12:58pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
When its cricket season, it will be the other way around, it’s quite difficult to find lots of AFL news in the off season, and that is the way i like it.
Considering the crowds, membership and interest the 10 pages of news are quite justified, if you don’t like it, don’t read it, pretty simple really, and BTW i would imagine that Rugger in NZ would be exactly the same, do you have a problem with that ??.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:05pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
Do you read the Herald Sun Brewski? Football takes up a lot of pages between the grand final and the draft, especially with trade week in there, then it has maybe a brief lull (although never disappearing completely through december before ramping up again in January with the “so and so looks great” preseason guff and the “X days to go” stories then February sees the preseason comp return and by march it is back to being full blown coverage.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:16pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
Dont buy it now but you would be very hard pressed to say it takes up the majority of space after the GF, although the draft gets good coverage, but by and large the sport disappears.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:25pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
It isn’t the 6 or seven pages it gets now but everyday there would be a least a page and usually more then that. I would say it only really “disappears” for a month.
As I said from the GF to trade week there are all the season reviews and who will get traded, then there starts the analysis of who will drafted and what you club needs, then december is quiet althgouh it still gets a page or so, then January it ramps up agian.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:46pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
Macca, what do a lot of people buy the HS for , if you are not happy with the level of AFL news, my advice would be to not buy it.
IME football does disappear off the radar, so i disagree with you, but that is not unusual, as you seem to disagree with everyone anyway.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:57pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Brewski – I never commented on my happiness or otherwise with the HS, just stating the facts, you claimed “When its cricket season, it will be the other way around, it’s quite difficult to find lots of AFL news in the off season, and that is the way i like it” When the facts are quite the opposite, the biggest selling paper in Victoria carries a lot of AFL news in the off season.
July 20th 2012 @ 2:05pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
Well Macca, if as you say you are stating FACTS, then i will need some proof, because IMO football disappears off the screen after the GF save for the draft, and cricket takes center stage.
Do you have some proof, or is this just YO, there is a big difference.
I await your facts.
BTW Macca the HS is the biggest selling newspaper in the land, why do think is a big part of that reason ??.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:07pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:07pm | Report comment
Go to your local library and have a look if you don’t believe me.
But let’s just look at what both of us are saying, you say the only AFL news story post season is the AFL draft, no mention of trade week (which wass actually 10 days and now will be 3 weeks) in October which also has stories before and after about what teams need and what teams got. Then we have the draft in November wich you agree has good coverage, December we both agree is failry low key, then I say January builds as the preseason kicks up (plenty of stories baout time around the Tan and who turned up overweight) the Feb sees the return of the NAB cup.
None of that is my opinion, all of that is fact. It is one of the AFL’s greatest achievements, keeping themselves in the news almost all year.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:18pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
Macca, i never said i did not believe you, you stated you had facts, and now if you expect me to believe them , i have to go and do my own research, the onus is on you to produce the facts you claim you have, otherwise all you have is an UNSUBSTANTIATED opinion.
IMO the AFL is off the back pages far far more than it is on, in the off season, there is no way that the AFL has 10 pages of news in the off season, and IMO this is the way the AFL wants it.
The AFL does not want to over expose itself in the off season, it wants to stay on the radar but not be the main event, and then build up to the season.
If you believe that AFL coverage is wall to wall 24x7x365, then you are welcome to YO, don’t pass it off as fact though.
BTW Macca, and don’t take this as a criticism, but at times your posts appear old, jaded and cynical, maybe you need to find another hobby.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:27pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Brewski – Is trade week held in October? Are there a lot of stories written around trade week?
Is the draft held in November? Are there a lot of Stories written about the Draft?
Does the NAB Cup Start in February? Are there a lot of stories written about the NAB Cup?
Assuming you answer honestly in the affirmative to all these questions we are down to an “offseason of just 2 months out of 12. One of those months I don’t dispute AFL does only get a passing mention, the other I contend AFL stories become more and more frequent, if you don’t accept that well I ask you to take more notice this summer but even if I am wrong on that 1 month 2 months of down time out of a 5-6 month break from regular season AFL proves my point.
As for me producing facts, would you like me to track down last summers herald suns and mail them to you? Just post your full name and address and go stand by the mail box.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:56pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
So now you want me post my name and adress on here do you, is this how you win a argument is it.
Macca, in the AFL off season what is main sport reported on in the Melbourne HS, and around this country.
July 20th 2012 @ 4:22pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
Brewski – I don’t want you to post your name and address but as you refuse to do any investigation yourself or go to the library as I suggested the only way for me to “prove it” is by mailing you the copies of the HS from last summer. Do you have an alternative?
And there is a big difference form being the “main sport” to being “quite difficult to find lots of AFL news in the off season”.
As for the main sport there isn’t one, October November there is a lot of Racing, some cricket and some football, December the “main” sport would be cricket, January it is Tennis, Cricket and then football (not much early in the month bubt building over the month) and Feb It is cricket and Football in equal quantities.
As for how I win an argument, I simply use facts, and as you didn’t contradict my assertions on the timing and reporting on trade week, the draft anf the NAB cup I assume you agree with the facts presented and therefore the argument is won.
Also note I answered you question you did not answer mine.
July 20th 2012 @ 4:40pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
Macca, you answer your own question, as you say horse racing, tennis, cricket are all the main sports over the summer and spring, and take the bulk of the headlines, sounds good to me. Football is not the main sport and for the average punter , they might glance over their new draftees, a couple of trades if the actually happen, to keep an eye out for the March champions.
Only to the most devoted fans do the NAB cup matches mean a lot, or do they take a keen interest, i think even the real footy AGE site closed down last year for a while.
But i will give you a fact, when Collingwood loses the HS circulation around Northcote, Thornbury, Clifton Hill, Heildelberg etc etc is way down.
July 20th 2012 @ 4:59pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 4:59pm | Report comment
Ahh Brewski you see you argument lost so you change the parametres, no longer is it ““quite difficult to find lots of AFL news in the off season” it has become “not the main sport” and “to only the most devoted fans does the NAB cup matches mean anything”, and “the average punter might glance over “. Whether they glance over it or don’t tkae any notice of it is irrelevant, the fact is that the articles are there if they want to read them and it isn’t “diificult” to find them, all you have to do is turn a couple of pages in from the back.
And the fact that collingwood people aren’t buying the paper doesn’t mean the articles aren’t in there!
And Brewski, I don’t remember asking oyu what the main sports were, I asked you about the timing and reporting of the draft, trade week and the NAb cup and you still haven’t answered.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:31pm
Emric said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
I used to read the Dominion Post which is Wellingtons Morning Newspaper. The phoenix, Warriors, Kiwis, Shakers, and Pulse and not only get a good amount of coverage, they also get to take the backpages off the Lions, Hurricanes and All Blacks ..
July 20th 2012 @ 1:42pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Bleat, bleat, bleat, Emric, it’s all so unfair ….. tissue !!
July 20th 2012 @ 3:32pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Spot on Emric, the only place I have ever seen anything like the AFL suturation in the Melbourne papers was Football in South American papers. The kiwi papers don’t come close, nothing like the myopic obsession of the Melboune media.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:37pm
Macca said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
RC – Don’t lay it all at the media’s feet, it has been a deliberate strategy from the AFL to ensure the game is never out of the news.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:42pm
GCS said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
So are the South Americans myopic or do you put it down to them just being passionate about their football.
Wonder if there is an Argentinian version of you over there complaining that Rugby doesn’t get a fair go?
July 20th 2012 @ 3:49pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
Absolute rubbish
English papers – soccer
Sydney papers – rugby league
America during NFL season, or depending on which part of country, the northern part or Canada may have ice hockey, southern part baseball etc etc.
Different counties in Ireland may have either Gaelic or hurling taking up most of the sporting space.
In fact anywhere in the world that has a favuorite sport is exactly the same.
July 20th 2012 @ 7:50pm
Emric said | July 20th 2012 @ 7:50pm | Report comment
Brewski
Have you ever read an English Newspaper? They give pretty good coverage of a lot of sports.
Sydney, and Brisbane papers give pretty good coverage to the Swans, Lions, Waratahs, Reds, Roar, and Sydney FC.
I’ve lived in Both Sydney and Brisbane.
Melbourne is like a black hole for most sports when Cricket isn’t being played.
July 20th 2012 @ 8:29pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 8:29pm | Report comment
@ Emric, you sooks make me laugh, every sport you could ever want is on their website, HS is the same.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport
As i said, want a tissue. LOL
July 21st 2012 @ 8:29am
Emric said | July 21st 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Did I say the website? No I said the paper.
July 20th 2012 @ 7:34am
Pete London said | July 20th 2012 @ 7:34am | Report comment
These Victorian expats that keep being talked about must be taking over the whole of Australia???
July 20th 2012 @ 7:48am
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 7:48am | Report comment
“Victorian expats” is a term usually used to describe expats from all the AFL (VFL) states, not just Victoria, and yes, their movements are being monitored closely.
July 20th 2012 @ 9:52am
Nathan of Perth said | July 20th 2012 @ 9:52am | Report comment
““Victorian expats” is a term usually used to describe expats from all the AFL (VFL) states, not just Victoria”
Wash your mouth out with soap!
July 20th 2012 @ 1:23pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Victorian expat is used by ignorants like rough conduct for anyone that has a interest in Australian Football, whether they be a 4th or 5th generation QLDer, according to RC they must have known a Victorian, related to a Victorian or some such rubbish.
He dismisses the fact that AF was established in QLD before both rugbies, so i wonder what QLDers did before the blow in rugbies . LOL.
I presume they just said, we are not playing football, we are waiting for the English to bring rugby over, and we are going to wait another 20 years before RL comes along, as that is our real QLDer game.
I guess any QLDer that played AF back then, was not a real QLDer … LOL.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:03pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
Oh thank God for those early Queenslanders, imagine if they persisted with that awful folk game, I hate to think what would could have been. But you may be right, maybe the many young Queenslanders who are currently at the business end of the best provincial rugby competition in the world and will set off to represent their country in New Zealand, South Africa and Argentina in the Rugby Championship this year then later on in Britain, France and Italy will be cursing those early Queenslanders. “If only they had kept hacking that ball around a cricket field, if only, they could have been heading to…Melbourne! To play suburban teams from….Melbourne! Then we could have qualified for the Grand Final, in Melbourne!”
July 20th 2012 @ 3:10pm
Redb said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:10pm | Report comment
Trolling still.
Don’t fear Rough Conduct let go of your hate. Perhaps you do have a shot at joining Scared Wierd Little Guys after all.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Cultural cringeworthy in the extreme. LOL.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:28pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Oh come on, that was funny. You VICTORIANS have no sense of humour.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:28pm
GCS said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Yeah playing in front of 100,000 people, what a grind that would be.
July 20th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Isn’t it funny when a ignorant troll is found out, that he pretends it ‘s all funny, and it was all just a joke.
LOL.
July 20th 2012 @ 6:22pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 6:22pm | Report comment
100,000 Melbournians what a thrill.
July 20th 2012 @ 6:26pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
Found out? Oh, yes, your little story about QLD being an AFL state – a dagger to me heart! LOL
July 20th 2012 @ 6:41pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
Never stated QLD was a AFL state, never will be, but you have been found out as a ignorant troll, but no doubt you wear you ignorance as a badge of honour.
July 21st 2012 @ 8:55am
Emric said | July 21st 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Brewski says
“Never stated QLD was a AFL state, never will be, but you have been found out as a ignorant troll, but no doubt you wear you ignorance as a badge of honour.”
Not what they tell me at work – They are very resolved in their convictions that the AFL will dominate Queensland within the next 5 years and will eventually overtake League as the no.1 sport in NSWs.
July 21st 2012 @ 11:05am
Michael/Brisbane said | July 21st 2012 @ 11:05am | Report comment
I would suggest you go elsewhere for your advice Emric as your work mates clearly have no idea what they’re talking about. Most sensible people would realise that rugby league will be the dominant code in Qld/NSW for a while yet. However if we could get rid of this hate campaign towards Aussie Rules it could grow a lot more too.
July 21st 2012 @ 11:49am
Emric said | July 21st 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
—I would suggest you go elsewhere for your advice Emric as your work mates clearly have no idea what they’re talking about. Most sensible people would realise that rugby league will be the dominant code in Qld/NSW for a while yet. However if we could get rid of this hate campaign towards Aussie Rules it could grow a lot more too.—
Since I’m working in Melbourne I can only assume that the opinions are fairly common of your average AFL Melbourne citizen
July 20th 2012 @ 11:10am
Camshaft said | July 20th 2012 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Excuse my Victorian ignorance, but what is the difference between League and Union. I know that in Rugby League you have to throw the ball backwards and you have tries and converted goals and I think drop-kick goals. What do you do in Union then?
July 20th 2012 @ 11:21am
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Nice try. Even Victorians are not that stupid.
July 20th 2012 @ 12:03pm
Redb said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Union is the game they play in heaven, league is the game played by heavens.
July 20th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
??
July 20th 2012 @ 12:18pm
Nathan of Perth said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
I think he’s playing at “heathens” but I could be wrong. He does follow Essendon and they’re all a bit … curious upstairs.
July 20th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Redb said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Makes more sense that way – geez you coasters are party poopers – except for Cuz
July 20th 2012 @ 12:47pm
Camshaft said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Nathan – you’re not that big fella from the cheer squad that Mickey O’Loughlin screamed at a few years ago, by any chance? Saw that footage again just last week, and it’s a classic.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:30pm
Nathan of Perth said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Even our tubbies have the balls to stand up to that kind of bullying, was a stirring sight to see.
July 20th 2012 @ 12:12pm
Emric said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
RC – I used to think that until I started living in Melbourne
I really need to get out of this place
July 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Nathan of Perth said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
My old man didn’t even know there were two forms of rugby until I happened to mention it this year.
July 20th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Camshaft said | July 20th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Someone just told me that Union is played with 13 players and League with 15, so that clears that up. Suppose the extra two are on the wings.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:02pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:02pm | Report comment
It is not ignorance, it is just stupidity. It’s like saying that you didn’t realise that there was a difference between Ireland or Northern Ireland. You don’t have to ever have been to Ireland or know any Irish people to know this, you just know, anyone who doesn’t is more than ignorant – they are stupid. That is why I don’t believe Victorians when they say they don’t know, I have faith that they are really not that stupid, a more believable explanation is that they pretend not to know – it is a convenient insult to both Rugby codes that is easily covered up by “oh, I didn’t realise”.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:15pm
Camshaft said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Trust me, there would be plenty of Victorians or people from the AFL states that don’t know that there are two codes of Rugby. Not me though, I’m one of the smart ones.
Having said that, to the untrained eye they look the same. Now that I know that League has 15 players per side, iI’ll be able to do a quick count to work out which one I’m watching.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:23pm
clipper said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Rough Conduct – I think you’re being a bit harsh there – most people in the world outside NSW /QLD don’t even know league exists so just assume you’re talking about Union when you mention Rugby. This includes WA and SA, athough VIC had had the two codes for a few years now, so perhaps it’s just indifference. You’d also be suprised by how many people wouldn’t know there are two Irelands – especially since ‘the troubles’ don’t get in the news anymore.
July 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm
Emric said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Its not about having a team in your city its how well that team is supported by the media, TV Stations, and Advertises itself.
In Victoria – The Storm are shutout of the media, have little access to decent TV time slots on FTA, it does try to advertise itself well
July 20th 2012 @ 1:28pm
Brewski said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
The real reason, is not that they are ignorant, they are just not interested, it’s not a hate thing like you have for AF, they just don’t really care, and BTW many many people would not know the difference between Northern Ireland and Ireland, and have little idea of the religious and political differences, not because they are ignorant, it’ si just because they dont’t care.
July 21st 2012 @ 8:36am
Emric said | July 21st 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Wrong.
The reason they are ignorant is because they are shut out of the media (Papers, News) and primetime tv time slots.
Living in Melbourne was been an eye opener about how utterly biased the media and tv stations here are towards the AFL no other sport gets a glance and thus struggle to grow their brand.
Yet in Sydney and Brisbane the AFL get a equal share of newspaper, tvnews, sports why? Because Melbourne is only the sporting capital of Australia in name only the reality is Sydney and Brisbane support multiple football codes (League, Soccer, AFL, Rugby) and their papers reflect the reality on the ground.
Melbourne is a sporting blackhole if you don’t support AFL you are shunned even people who don’t like AFL have a AFL team (like 2 of the guys I work with here) purely because it makes life easier for them.
July 21st 2012 @ 10:29am
Brewski said | July 21st 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
How about 3 tissues, 1 for you, and then 1 each for your other mates, i suggest you contact boomshanka, you expat kiwis can start a “it’s all so unfair club”.
The HS certainly covers the storm, there are 2 games each friday night on Gem, another 2 at midnight replayed, and foxtel for every other game and they play out of a stadium built by the government that they did not contribute to.
Not sure but maybe a sunday game on tele in Melbourne, there is one in Perth.
Lets face it, your a sook, and if i am not mistaken, up in arms about a AFL game in Wellington, being so unfair to ratepayers. LOL
And the irony of it is, there is a mountain of RL news on the respective HS and Age websites, but you are on the internet complaining about newspapers, LOL.
July 21st 2012 @ 11:22am
Emric said | July 21st 2012 @ 11:22am | Report comment
—”How about 3 tissues, 1 for you, and then 1 each for your other mates, i suggest you contact boomshanka, you expat kiwis can start a “it’s all so unfair club”.”—
Why because they don’t follow AFL and yet don’t want to be social outcasts? I honestly couldn’t care what Melbourne thinks of me. I’m looking forward to my job here in Melbourne to be finished and going back to Brisbane.
—-”The HS certainly covers the storm, there are 2 games each friday night on Gem, another 2 at midnight replayed, and foxtel for every other game and they play out of a stadium built by the government that they did not contribute to.”—
I don’t think you’ve read the Herald Sun before. The GEM thing is very very new. I’ve been in Melbourne for 6 months (about 6 months longer then I can stomach) and the GEM NRL programming started happening only about a month ago. I guess for Melbourne TV its progress. As for the Stadium they didn’t pay for well the AFL wants to play a game in Wellington, how much money did they contribute to its building? What about the AFL playing at the Gabba did they help pay for it or was that a Brisbane (rugby league centric) tax payers initiative?
—Not sure but maybe a sunday game on tele in Melbourne, there is one in Perth.—
Possible.
—Lets face it, your a sook, and if i am not mistaken, up in arms about a AFL game in Wellington, being so unfair to ratepayers. LOL—
I don’t care if they play AFL in Wellington – my issue is with the Tax Payers funding the teams playing (1 million dollars?) and the AFL using ANZAC day as a way to promote the game.
July 23rd 2012 @ 9:14am
Macca said | July 23rd 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Brewski – The HS do cover the Storm but they have a contract in place to ensure article are written about them. And who owns the Storm?
July 20th 2012 @ 1:43pm
Nathan of Perth said | July 20th 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Or, and here’s a weird one for a site like The Roar, they’re like my old man and don’t follow sports.
July 20th 2012 @ 2:21pm
Rough Conduct said | July 20th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Yep, agreed. I meant to mention that, those outside Australia and the many thousands who have no real interest in sport are exempt from my stupid people policy.
July 20th 2012 @ 6:38pm
Titus said | July 20th 2012 @ 6:38pm | Report comment
Well if you mentioned Australian football to most people around the world they would just think you meant Tim Cahill, Harry Kewell, Mark Viduka etc.