Toovey revives the old fibros versus silvertails hatred
By David Lord, 19 Jul 2012 David Lord is a Roar Expert
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- Des Hasler, Geoff Toovey, Manly Sea Eagles, NRL, Rugby League
New Manly Sea Eagles head coach Geoff Toovey. AAP Image/Dean Lewins
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Manly coach Geoff Toovey has made sure the bad old days around 1978, engineered by Western Suburbs coach Roy Masters, have returned: a different version of the battle of the fibros against the silvertails.
Toovey has suggested to the Manly faithful to boo and jeer Bulldogs coach Des Hasler tomorrow night at Brookvale for leaving Manly to go the Belmore just five days after winning last year’s NRL premiership.
Turn the clock back 34 years and before any game against Manly-Warringah at Lidcombe or Brookvale, Masters would pair off his squad and have them slap each other in the face, then spit on each other between the eyes.
It signified the intense social hate between the fibro-living Western Suburbs and the elite-living upper class of the North Shore.
It was all bullshit.
But Masters was a master at using social bias to make his team fired up to the max in the shed before they took to the field.
Magpies against Eagles were always brutal affairs, fibros and silvertails became cemented in rugby league folklore.
Toovey has sparked a dangerous repeat of that bias, even though the target is Hasler, not the Bulldogs.
This is especially poor as Toovey was Hasler’s assistant coach on the way to the premiership. Bad call, Toovey, virtually ensuring he will incite a riot.
Rugby league is better than that, and so too is Toovey.
But, as some commentators would say, any way you can get an edge in this tight competition, grab it.
This game in particular promises to be a blockbuster between the reigning premiers and the front-line pretenders who have won their last eight games playing entertaining and enterprising rugby league.
Roy Masters will be sitting back and enjoying every tension-filled minute of this game, reminding him of what he created in his side with the likes of Tommy Raudonikis, Les Boyd, Bruce Gibbs, and John Donnelly against Frank Stanton’s Max Krilich, John Gray, Terry Randall, and Graham Eadie – refereed by Greg Hartley, controversial enough in his own right.
Yesterday Roar expert, Tim Prentice, a Manly faithful, called on Manly fans to show Des Hasler his due respect for what he did for the Peninsula club through 255 first grade games and 11 years on the coaching staff that produced three grand finals and two premierships.
Prentice was right on the money; Toovey is way out of line.
But Toovey will win his point and Prentice, along with rugby league, will be the losers.
It will just reinforce the old saying: every rugby league fan supports his own team, and any team playing against Manly.
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July 19th 2012 @ 7:51am
Andrew said | July 19th 2012 @ 7:51am | Report comment
I Love the Hate, Bring it on,
Guess What? Manly Hates You Too!!
Go Manly!!!
July 19th 2012 @ 8:57am
Tim Prentice said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Hey Lordy, I am not a Sea Eagle, merely an oldish Bear and a keen RL fan.
I just respect Hasler the man and coach and want things to be lively but sensible in the NRL game of the year.
July 19th 2012 @ 7:52am
eagleJack said | July 19th 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
Good to see, like many others, you simply read the headline from the Telegraph and wrote about that. Did you even watch the interview? All the questioning this week has been aimed at stirring up a frenzy. Complete media built hysteria.
When asked for the umpteenth time about the crowd reaction to Des, after previously ignoring this line of questioning, here is what Toovey said:
“I’m sure there will be some heckling but that’s just rugby league – that’s why it’s so good. I’d love to be a fan sometimes on the hill and join in on it. I think the fans will treat Des with a lot of respect. He’s done a wonderful job at Manly here over the last few years and he’s doing a great job at Canterbury so there’s no dramas there.
From that we get the headline that Toovey wants to sit on the hill and heckle Des.
And by the way the Bulldogs have won 7 in a row. But don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:07am
The Barry said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
I was surprised to see this article. Toovey (and most Manly fans) have been very respectful of Hasler.
No doubt the Manly fans will boo him and no doubt if Manly win there will be a few jeers directed towards the visitors coaching box – but so what.
July 19th 2012 @ 3:11pm
Larry said | July 19th 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
How lazy!
eagleJack bang on the money, ridiculous article to represent Toovey’s quote devoid of any context whatsoever!
DL can be more ill-considered than many posters on this site with his almost stream of consciousness, reactionary opinion pieces.
July 19th 2012 @ 8:21am
Meesta Cool said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Media frenzy puts bums on seats…. look at Origin!…
July 19th 2012 @ 8:25am
Mals said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Disgraceful article.
David – did you even read the transcript of what Geoff Toovey said? Did you get the context of how Geoff was talking about his good friend Des Hasler? Did you try to get a comment from Geoff yourself?
I notice you fail to bring balance to your hyperbole & fail to mention what other Manly greats have said about Des.
e.g. Ken Arthuson said “I think Des has done a good job for Manly, I think it would be poor taste for them to start to bag him, I really do. He’s given terrific service to Manly, not only as a player but in winning premierships as a coach. I sincerely hope the Brookvale crowd remember the great service rendered with the club as a player and coach, and give him the respect he’s entitled.”
Or how about a quote from your great mate, Manly board member Peter Peters.
“I’m not saying the maroon and white faithful should stand and applaud their old coach on Friday night. But they should respect what he did for the club, especially when it was on its knees.”
July 19th 2012 @ 8:51am
Andrew said | July 19th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
I don’t think anyone who conflates the ‘North Shore’ (not Manly territory) with the ‘Northern Beaches’ (Manly territory) is quite qualified to write an article such as this.
July 19th 2012 @ 9:13am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
When did the Bulldogs become Silvertails?!?!???!
July 19th 2012 @ 9:28am
Andy said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
when manly became a pauper club and later when the dogs bought all our staff (2011).
July 19th 2012 @ 9:42am
Andrew said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Dogs Bought, not Bred,
July 19th 2012 @ 9:49am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
You guys had 18 months to lock him up, but your club didn’t want to pay him. You guys need start pointing fingers at who is running the club, otherwise history is sure to repeat itself.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:17am
Gerry @ YourLawnAndGarden said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
From another Doggeez supporter that bleeds blue and white, similar sentiments as you Dogs Of War.
You gotta laugh at the boofheads in the Manly boardroom. I mean how do you let a pay rise get in the way of retaining the services of Des Halla.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:23am
Andrew said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Your club claims to be the family club but what happened to Kevin Moore?
July 19th 2012 @ 10:26am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
All the family got a go at coaching the club. It got us 2 premierships, and now it’s time to go in a different direction.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:23am
MemberforDobell/PLANKO said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:23am | Report comment
Yeah that stupid manly board that was thinking of sucession plan and still are with Cliff Lyons waiting for his shot when Tooves gets to big for this boots.
They let hasler go cause he was playing games with the board. He thought he was bigger than the club until the door hit him on the arse.
David go back to what you know ….. Or dear not much to write about is there !!!
July 19th 2012 @ 10:30am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
No, he was a low paid coach who had at that time, won you a premiership, and got you to another grand final, and wanted to be paid accordingly. The Manly board members probably thought that would mean he got paid more than they did, and resented that. So they got what they deserved.
As I said, you need to start looking at the boardroom, if the place was so good to work out, Des would have stayed, but when their is conflict in the leadership team, that can only affect those who work underneath them. It is even more remarkable what Des was able to achieve in those circumstances.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:40am
eagleJack said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Hang on Dogs of War. Des was contracted until the end of the 2012 season. Yet he started contract negotiations BEFORE the 2011 season.
Compare this to Bellamy who is contracted to the end of the 2013 season at Melbourne. He has stated he won’t even think about contract negotiations until 2013. Des was effectively already 6 months into his negotiations at this point.
Manly outlined they would be willing to upgrade his contract if he met some KPI’s. This was BEFORE the 2011 season. We hadn’t yet made the GF.
Yes things could have been handled better. But Des only cares about one person and that’s Des. I love the guy. But he is far from an innocent party in all of this.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:49am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
KPI’s?
As I said, he had got you to two grand finals winning one, and you guys never missed the finals with him running the show. So how I see it, he wanted to be rewarded per market rates, which you guys were paying unders for. It would have been easy to fix, and come half way when the issue first came up and provide some more cash immediately bringing him closer to what he was after, with more bonus’s built in for performance, but you guys played with fire and got burnt.
What Bellamy is doing is different, he is already very well paid, so your comparing apples with oranges.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:58am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:58am | Report comment
BTW when I say KPI’s like that, I mean it in jest, it’s just management speak for we don’t want to pay you what your worth. He helped the club out when it was down on it’s knees, and now the club is doing a lot better off the field, he felt he should get some of those rewards.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:09am
eagleJack said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
Haha yeah I used to hate being told about KPIs. That’s why I went out on my own!
In relation to Manly from a business sense our 2009 and 2010 seasons were pretty poor. We limped into the finals and were duly beaten convincingly. Des came to them at the end of the 2010 season and said he wanted a payrise. The Board would have said yes, we can see what you did in 2007, 2008 and we are very happy with that. But let’s see if you can match that in 2011 first. You are contracted until the end of 2012. We will look after you at the end of 2011. Des and his ego didn’t like that. I, too, would have been annoyed. But I understand it.
Im not backing the board. I think they stuffed up. They had a chance to nip in the bud immediately but chose to drag it out. But it always takes 2 to tango.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:39am
Haradasun said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Hard to agree to a pay rise when you dont have the cash. Manly just don’t have the funds that the Bulldog$ command.
July 19th 2012 @ 11:50am
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 11:50am | Report comment
So that then begs the question, why is a team that has made the top eight since 2004 struggling.
It’s not like Manly didn’t make a very large offer to keep Des after the horse had bolted.
So once again, start pointing fingers at management, and make them accountable. Otherwise it will happen again and again till it’s fixed.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:13pm
Mals said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Manly didn’t make the top 8 in 2004. Try 13.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Point still remains, you can argue over 1 year, but making the finals for 7 straight years, and being in the Grand Final three times, winning two, should mean you are doing a lot better off the field than you are.
I think you guys really need to abandon Brookie, and get that money that is being thrown at it, pushed to either developing Rat Park properly which has heaps of room and could bring in more locals through the gate with up to date facilities, while still retaining a hill at either end for that old school feel, or exploring what it would take to develop Manly Oval so more visiting fans attend as it’s much easier to get to.
Brookie is the noose that hangs over the clubs head, and with Warringah council being very unhelpful, big decisions need to be made. Is your board strong enough to make that decision? Otherwise your club will just fall further and further behind by denying revenue that other clubs are able to achieve, and the difference in income will only get worse in another 10 years as most other clubs grow their pie.
July 19th 2012 @ 4:27pm
Rabbitz said | July 19th 2012 @ 4:27pm | Report comment
Keep ya cotton picking fingers well away from Rat Park. We had enough trouble with the shin grabbers and hooligans when they wanted to try and take over. We ain’t lettin’ no mungos onto the hallowed turf.
And before the abuse starts my tongue is firmly in my cheek…
July 19th 2012 @ 12:06pm
Andy said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
Manly could not match the prices your club was throwing at our staff and thats why most of them left.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:23pm
Dogs Of War said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Or maybe they too were sick of the issues that were occurring at board level and when the opportunity to join Des in a much more professionally run club was available, they took it.
July 19th 2012 @ 10:36am
Andrew said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
July 19th 2012 @ 10:43am
Worlds Biggest said | July 19th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
I was going to mention that Tim is a Bears man Lordy. TP must have dropped his cup of tea when reading the Manly inference !
This is a great rivalry between these Clubs and now get’s a whole lot better with Dessie’s move to Belmore.
July 19th 2012 @ 12:12pm
apaway said | July 19th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Having read the article which David has based this story on, I can find no reference to Toovey encouraging Manly fans to boo Des Hasler tomorrow night. The vast majority worship Des and what he did for the club, and as Dogs Of War has pointed out, their vitriole is more aimed at the Manly board for allowing him to slip through their fingers. I sincerely hope that a packed house at Brookvale gives Hasler a tremendous reception because it wouldn’t have been the packed house it almost surely will be without Hasler’s guidance from 2004 to 2011. Of course, the “Des-love” won’t extend to being happy with a Bulldogs win…
July 19th 2012 @ 1:55pm
onside said | July 19th 2012 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
‘Toovey revives the old fibros versus silvertails hatred’
Should read,
‘David Lord tries to revive the old fibros versus silvertails hatred’
Trite stuff.