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Well, the dark horses have struck. Few tipped the Sharks to knock off Queensland at Suncorp Stadium last night, even with Quade Cooper missing, but the underdogs silenced their hosts and the doubters with an outstanding display of rugby.
Next week’s second semifinal will now be an emotionally charged derby match between the Sharks and Stormers in Cape Town. Having already beaten the Stormers this season, the men from Natal will undoubtedly be confident of causing another big upset.
The Sharks will no longer be underestimated, that much is certain. Aside from sinking the Reds, last night’s performance sent an unmistakably clear message to the other remaining teams. It was as comprehensive a victory as you are likely to witness in a finals match.
There was a period of at least ten minutes midway through the second half during which the Reds were camped on their opposition’s try line. Queensland spent an eternity hammering away at the visitors’ defense, but the Sharks refused to buckle.
That level of determination wins finals. The Sharks’ stubborn second half defense alone has earned them the right to be taken seriously in these playoffs.
On the other hand, last night’s game ended Australia’s contribution to Super Rugby for another year. This season has been horribly illuminating to say the least.
Queensland, as the most successful Aussie team and the nation’s sole representative in the finals, finished the regular season in sixth place on the overall ladder.
The Reds were granted third position in the final standings for topping the Australian conference, but no objective observer could count them among the competition’s three best teams.
It gets no better when the other Aussie sides are taken into consideration. Three of the five worst teams in Super Rugby this year were Australian: the Waratahs (11th), Rebels (13th) and Force (14th).
Australia provided just two of the top ten teams, and only one of the six finalists.
Could the problem be any more obvious? There is a glaring lack of depth in Australian rugby, and it is growing worse every year. If anyone doubted that before, they have surely been exposed to the truth now.
In fact, the performance of the Reds’ attack without Quade Cooper last night was emblematic of this issue. Earlier this season, before the regular flyhalf returned from injury, Queensland often looked lost on the field.
Ask yourselves, if the Wallabies played a full second string team against any top tier rugby nation, how would the result pan out? Would victory be certain or in serious doubt?
Now ask the same questions for the All Blacks and Springboks. Notice the difference? That is your cue to start worrying.
There are blokes running around playing park footy in New Zealand with more talent than some of Australia’s Super Rugby players.
The suits in charge of Aussie rugby cannot let that situation endure. There needs to be a concentrated effort to improve the development of young talent from the local level up.
Beyond the private schools and prestigious universities of Australia’s big cities, rugby just is not in the recruitment game. In Brisbane and Sydney, most of the young talent is siphoned off to rugby league. Elsewhere the kids dream of playing Aussie Rules.
If Australia wants to compete with the depth of New Zealand and South Africa, those young superstars have to be seduced by rugby. That will require a lot of hard work, concentrated locally. It will also take many years for the dividends to materialise.
It must be done though. Depth is of immense importance in the international arena, and if this year’s Super 15 competition has taught us anything, it is that Australian Rugby is seriously lacking in that department.
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July 22nd 2012 @ 5:25am
biltongbek said | July 22nd 2012 @ 5:25am | Report comment
Well I think you need to consider the fact that Australia is only in their second season with 5 Franchises, you aren’t going to be super competitive when you need to spread your talent amongst 5 teams immediately.
I still believe Australia’s problem is not really so much the lack of depth in players all over the park, but rather in the forwards.
Just as the Crusaders controlled the breakdown against the Bulls today, the Sharks did the same, but with less players at the breakdown, and they benefitted in attack and defence from that.
The Sharks had just about a full conpliment of ball carriers in their pack as well, only Higginbotham really stood out for the Reds.
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:45am
Jeff said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Unfortunately John O’Neill has a great deal to answer for here.The 4th team [the Force] added to the Australian Conference has always struggled and yet he was stupid enough to want and get a fifth team.All the arguments about increasing the number of quality players just don’t wash.We still haven”t got a top forward pack for the Wallabies let alone for 5 Super teams.
July 22nd 2012 @ 9:28am
sheek said | July 22nd 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Jeff,
You might get your wish about contraction.
The Force are sliding towards oblivion at the moment, while the Rebels’ future is far from secure. I’m against Australian rugby contracting, but it seems that the powers-that-be, from the ARU right down to the leading coaches & players, couldn’t care less.
July 22nd 2012 @ 10:53am
Go_the_Wannabe's said | July 22nd 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
If the east coasters wish to see the Force fold, then they’re going the right way about it.
Force struggled to be competitive when they had Sharpe, Pocock, Giteau, Ioane, Mitchell etc.
Now they only have Pocock……maybe. If they lose him, it’s all down hill.
Over to you ARU, do you want a competitive Force? Do you want them to fold?
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:43pm
AndyS said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:43pm | Report comment
Sheek, the ARU won’t contract. What will contract is the support they give certain teams in favour of the other three, preparatory to expanding the conference system. Where they are heading – what they’re working towards – is three well supported teams, with the others reduced to development feeder teams and never really competitive.
July 22nd 2012 @ 2:59pm
Roger the Alien said | July 22nd 2012 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
They should abolish the Super15 because Australia cannot sustain 5 franchises against the rugby-religious Kiwis and Boks. They need to have a state of origin concept (NSW vs QLD) and bulid rugby enthusiasm in this country that way, Forget about teams down south, they don’t have the playing stocks to hold their own.
July 22nd 2012 @ 4:20pm
p.Tah said | July 22nd 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
Mate, I think you’ve been Rogering too many Aliens.
July 22nd 2012 @ 4:42pm
Roger the Alien said | July 22nd 2012 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
But what did you think of my idea?
July 22nd 2012 @ 4:57pm
p.Tah said | July 22nd 2012 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
July 22nd 2012 @ 5:03pm
Sluggy said | July 22nd 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
Back to 1978…. not sure that’s the way forward.
July 22nd 2012 @ 6:30pm
David said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:30pm | Report comment
From a SA perspective…
Aus was quite correct to push for more franchises (as much as it screwed our 6th franchise)
You will never grow your game if ou don’t spread t around a bit.
There is a short to medium term pain in this endeavor and that is evidenced by e dilution .
The long term gain is not for a few generations. Probably 10-30 years hence.
It’s the young boy accompanying his dad to matches in Perth and Melbourne. The young boy plays the game, his mates play it, eventually it becomes a school sport and then you have growth.
Of course the ARU have to market the game better.
Sure, in the meantime you push the same set of players around your plate and most people enjoy the meal less.
But it’s for the long term good of rugby.
July 22nd 2012 @ 9:06pm
Roger the Alien said | July 22nd 2012 @ 9:06pm | Report comment
Very sensible post, David. You might be right, but it will be a long, painful haul. Hopefully, the other football codes will be happy to share and not try to undermine.
July 22nd 2012 @ 5:47pm
Ktjnwebb said | July 22nd 2012 @ 5:47pm | Report comment
Sheek, I’m not going to comment on the Force, but the Rebels are rock solid, don’t know where you get your info from. The fourth team should always have been in Melbourne, there is far more support from the corporate types, and certainly enough public support. The problem is the structure of rugby in this country where it has traditionally been controlled in Sydney and Brisbane. Until decisions are taken that will strengthen rugby Australia wide, there will never be the depth we need, not just for five Super sides but for the Wallabies.
July 22nd 2012 @ 2:36pm
SamClench said | July 22nd 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
I think the expansion from four teams to five came too early. But that changes nothing if we’re comparing our depth with NZ and SA, both of whom also have their talent spread across five sides.
July 22nd 2012 @ 6:21am
Ash said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:21am | Report comment
Well done Sharks. They deserved to win.
There’s certainly no lack of depth in the bad referee department. SANZA has to answer for this and it’s time for Lyndon Bray to go. There is no excuse for Kaplan refereeing last night’s game.
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July 22nd 2012 @ 6:24am
biltongbek said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:24am | Report comment
I doubt the result would have been any different with another referee.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:13am
formeropenside said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:13am | Report comment
Throw in Gill’s try to the reds, a yellow card or two against the Sharks for repeated 5m cynical infringements, note the offside on the intercept…
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:31am
Jerry said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:31am | Report comment
The intercept wasn’t remotely offside. And I’m still not convinced on Gill’s try – I think he did get it down, but I’m not sure he was legally allowed to play the ball when he took it off Ioane.
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:53am
Harry said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
Jerry is correct on the try, painful as it is to concede. The Sharks interceptor was onside when the ball left the ruck. Mind you both teams were guilty of numerous offsides in the first 20 minutes and once again slackly policed by Kaplan.
However I thought the decision on Gill’s try was wrong, it should have been given. Kaplan asked the wrong question – he should have said, try or no try.
July 23rd 2012 @ 1:46am
biltongbek said | July 23rd 2012 @ 1:46am | Report comment
The Gill try was illegal, nevermind whether the ball was grounded.
It wasn’t a pick and go which would be legal, it was Ioane tackled short, Gill in the ruck of his feet, hands in then dives forward to ground the ball.
July 23rd 2012 @ 2:50am
The Werewolf said | July 23rd 2012 @ 2:50am | Report comment
Harry I don’t blame you for your opinion on the Gill try. Kafer and co did say that Kaplan should’ve asked try or no try. But Biltongbek is right and our commentators should know better. Gill was in the ruck and off his feet so he was not entitled to use his hands in the ruck including to score a try. Once the ruck had formed it needs to have come from a pick and go.
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:38pm
SamClench said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
These two gurus are absolutely right. Off his feat, hands in the ruck, no try.
July 24th 2012 @ 5:31am
mania said | July 24th 2012 @ 5:31am | Report comment
wow harry. cant believe your giving gill that try. not one camera angle showed gill on his feet at any time from when ioane went to ground. gill is clearly lying in the middle of the ruck on top of some players when he’s driven over the line. gill ripping the ball off ioane is playing the ball on the ground. should’ve been penalty to the sharks.
July 22nd 2012 @ 6:53am
Trevor DeAngelo said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:53am | Report comment
Yes Ash you are right – Kaplan was far to hard on the sharks and went way to easy on the Reds – letting them away with many rule infringements. At least he ruled the Sharks offside infringements well. Well done Sharks. Terrible display of bad sportsmanship with Kaplan being booed by the crowd as he walked from the field.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:33am
Ash said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:33am | Report comment
Cut it out. The performance from a home grown born and bred Shark’s man was absolutely appalling.
I’m not denying the Sharks were the better team and deserved to win.
What I am saying is that Kaplan’s performance never gave the Reds a hope.
July 22nd 2012 @ 12:25pm
Cattledog said | July 22nd 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
I get the feeling there will be a shake up in the off-season regarding referee appointments. It’s unfair to the referees and the players.
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:39pm
Ryan said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
Its unfair the Reds got home advantage but Hey Cattledog EVERYONE knew the rules including ref appointments not necessarily being neutral before the season kicked off.
Oh how funny it is that it only matters when it works against your teams.
I for one am against Refsfrom the same country officiating teams in a match, but you can not seriously blame Kaplan for that tired schoolboy error ridden performance that the Reds put out last night.
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:41pm
Cattledog said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:41pm | Report comment
You’re loving this, aren’t you Ryan.
July 23rd 2012 @ 5:21am
mania said | July 23rd 2012 @ 5:21am | Report comment
puh lease ash, blaming the ref for the reds demise. kaplan had a good game. i thought he favoured the reds in the fist 30minutes, but regardless of that kaplan had a good game.
if your gonna btch about kaplans performance then no referee will make you happy unless your team wins.
bottom line sharks were the better team with a better all round attack and a much more tight defence
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:36pm
Ryan said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Yes absolutely disgusting show of bad sportsmanship there at the end and Australians have the gall to harass Kiwis on this issue.
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:43pm
Cattledog said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:43pm | Report comment
Finally have a Kiwi admit booing is a sign of bad sportsmanship. We accept your apology graciously!
July 22nd 2012 @ 9:35am
El Gamba said | July 22nd 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
The problem that I find with Rugby in general at the moment is the ref lottery in every game.
The nuance of the game was one of the things I loved about it. Now I find myself more and more frustrated by different and inconsistent decisions game to game, team to team. So often this ruins a team’s momentum at crucial times and dictates the outcome.
The Reds/Sharks game wasn’t too bad but there were a couple of clangers. In my opinion it was a terrible tactical decision to play Genia at 10 by, if the media are correct, the shoe in next Wallabies coach.
The Bulls/Crusaders game on the other hand was a shocker. Starting with Sir Ritchie’s dive back over the ruck, a number of calls halted the Bulls at every turn and the game was gone before they had a run.
July 24th 2012 @ 2:12pm
SamClench said | July 24th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Also the Bulls played terribly from the opening whistle. No use kicking the ball away all the time when you’re having a shocker with the boot.
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:33pm
Ryan said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
On one hand you say well done then in the very next sentence you show your true colours by blaming SANZAr and Lyndon Bray.
I guess everytime an Australian team loses you will be calling for the boards to resign and new Ref bosses to be appointed all until the stars align and Australia gets a ref that whistles them over the line?
The Reds were woeful they have no one to blame for their loss except themselves and I include Quade Cooper.
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:45pm
Ryan said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
Had it been a New Zealand Offical last night and a similar result you would have been heralding another conspircay but it would’ve been something along the lines of
-The bias ref whistled the Reds out of the game because they (Kiwis) know the Reds would beat the Chiefs in Hamilton.
-Lyndon Bray gave a directive to keep the Australians out of the top four
Or some other excuse
You see it never stops disgruntled fans always fathom up some excuse why their team lost, and looking at these forums there are countless articles and posts directed at Kiwi and South African fans about needing to suck it up the better team one on the day mumbo jumbo after controversial decisons go against them but in an Australian teams favour.
I’d say its high time for certain fans to take a bit of their own mendicine and suck it up the better team won.
July 22nd 2012 @ 2:29pm
Xiedazhou said | July 22nd 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
So Ryan, we should all suck it up, the better team won? Just like last years tournament victory by the Reds I suppose? Physician, health thyself.
Oh, and by the way, the Goebbells principle still isnt working for you. But keep trying, your persistence is to be admired.
July 22nd 2012 @ 6:35pm
Ryan said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:35pm | Report comment
Oh dear another personal attack from you Xie why does that not surprise me?
It seems a trait of yours to play the man not the ball, but hey all power to you if it turns you on be my guest.
I love it how you consistently use the term Goebells Principle.
Sadly for you Xie it is quite evident you do not actually understand the principle itself nor when to use it.
Chin up son always next year.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:15am
DC of nz said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:15am | Report comment
Well the post match interview with Genia shows his ego has ballooned in size … He failed to concede that they were well beaten ……
So that’s Link and Jake now gone for the season..
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:39am
ohtani's jacket said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
The Reds are serial cheats and as usual people here have their blinkers on. When the Sbarks were hot on attack in the first half, the Reds were infringing just as much as the Sharks did defending their line in the opening quarter of the second half. The Sharks did infringe a lot in that passage of play but it wasn’t as though Kaplan let they them get away with it. He repeatedly penalised them. Why didn’t the Reds take three points? I don’t buy the lack of depth argument because Cooper’s back-up was injured. That’s a heavy blow. Genia at first five was a mistake and he made poor choices as captain such as not taking three points and ultimately wasting 15 minutes of game time and possession. Even if Gill had scored the Reds would have needed to score two more times. They were rattled from the outset. The Sharks made so many fantastic first up tackles and were sensational on the counter attack. A well deserved victory. It’s too bad Genia is such a sore loser.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:44am
jeznez said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:44am | Report comment
agree OJ, thought the obvious sub when Lucas got hurt was to move Harris to 10 and bring Tapuai into 12. Just an odd decision to move Genia out of position and bring on Frisby.
July 22nd 2012 @ 9:29am
sheek said | July 22nd 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
OJ,
You ought to realise by now that we Aussies are the fairest, most objectively minded people in the world. It’s just everyone else who cheats & has a problem……….!!!
July 24th 2012 @ 10:11am
Damo said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:11am | Report comment
Sheek, finally someone has said it!
But whoever you support you want to see a real contest.
Great defense by Sharks yes but would it have been so effective if offsides and yellows had been enforced?
We will. never know.
Just like we’ll never know how state of origin would have turned out if Inglis had played for his state of origin.
See I’m not always a Qld fan.
July 22nd 2012 @ 10:33am
El Gamba said | July 22nd 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Didn’t see the Crusaders game OJ?
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:22am
Charging Rhino said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
Mate this was no upset. The Sharks were always the better team. Bar a few Aussie’s here on the Roar there was a lot of other media tipping the Sharks as favorites. It won’t be a “big upset” if the Sharks beat the Stormers either, they are 1-1 in 2012 with a very narrow loss at Newlands.
Great game from the Sharks and great running rugby all round. I like the Reds, it’s my wife’s team, but the Sharks surely bossed them around that field!
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:04am
Australopithecus Africanus said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:04am | Report comment
Absolutely no upset mate – two-thirds of Superbru fans thought the Sharks would win – and besides – the bulk of the most recent Springbok team came from the Sharks – and most followers would have known that . . the Sharks should also take the Stormers – but for the travelling . . . . .
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:31am
biltongbek said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:31am | Report comment
Yes, I think the travelling is going to be their undoing, even if they get past the Stormers, they’ll have to then fly back to NZ.
What I will say though, if the Sharks do manage to win the trophy (however the odds are against them) then they will have triumphed over the toughest series od finals yet.
I won’t put any money on it though.
July 23rd 2012 @ 5:25am
mania said | July 23rd 2012 @ 5:25am | Report comment
rhino i fully agree. sharks have been quietly peaking while all the media attention has been on the top 3. i can easily see the sharks beating the stormers
kankowski is the man
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:41pm
SamClench said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:41pm | Report comment
With the game being at Suncorp, I maintain that it was an upset. The Sharks are dark horses, but I can’t see them winning it.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:41am
jeznez said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:41am | Report comment
As Sam noted the defense from the Sharks was huge and as Bek pointed out the Sharks controlled the breakdown with less numbers than the Reds utilised. The Sharks played really well and deserved their win.
On the Reds side they needed to find a way to pressure Michalak, with Lambie and Steyn gone he was the lone playmaker. McLeod really stepped up and took pressure off him, controlling the game with the forward runners and only bringing in Michalak when it was time to go wide. The Reds failed to mount any serious pressure on the flyhalf and he enjoyed a strong game.
Most glaring for me was Michalak’s drop goal, not a single Reds defender went at him, the only Reds player moving forward was going across in cover and aiming at the man standing outside Michalak, why on earth would you run at a player further from you, who doesn’t have the ball? Michalak is a player who has previously shown that he can be cracked under pressure, he has also shown that when he is on song he is hard to stop. The Reds failed to ask the critical question in the game.
From an Aussie perspective it is the end of a dissapointing Super season, the glimmer of positive for me is that Deans will get an extended preparation period with the Wallabies now. August 18 will bring the All Blacks to Sydney and Deans now has an uninterupted month with his side to prepare. The questions of depth can be quietened with a strong showing in the RC, it is up to Deans and the players to provide that strong showing.
July 22nd 2012 @ 2:39pm
SamClench said | July 22nd 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Don’t be surprised if the Wallabies win in Sydney, with that long preparation. Should be a tight game. Just watch out the week after at Eden Park.
July 22nd 2012 @ 4:18pm
jeznez said | July 22nd 2012 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
Could the Wallabies lay an ambush!!!!!????!!!!!! I agree the Blacklash if we get up in the first test will be immense.
July 22nd 2012 @ 4:20pm
SamClench said | July 22nd 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
Seems to happen every few years. The Aussies win at home, get all cocky and then get their asses kicked a week later across the ditch.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:45am
Sailosi said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Recruitment really has to be looked at. I read with interest last week that Edwin Maka, the 202cm 125 kg 18 year old nephew of All Black Isitolo Maka has just signed a 3 year deal with the biggest club in the world Toulouse. And yes he is a Victorian, so another young Victorian backrower just like Talelei Grey, the best Australian no8 in the world has been let go of. What are the Rebels doing?
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July 22nd 2012 @ 8:03am
jeznez said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
that is a shocker, how can we not have that guy on a development pathway?
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:52pm
Johnno said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
jeznez this is a big guy this 19 yr old look at him in this article, how the wallabies or ARU let this larger than Lomu man go I will never know.
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_7904548,00.html
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:24pm
Sircoolalot said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
$ and his family all played for Toulouse, i’m guessing he’s planning on playing for France as well
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:43pm
Sluggy said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
“his family all played for Toulouse”
Didn’t one play for the All Blacks? I seem to remember Matt Cockbain taking him in a crunching ball and all tackle.
July 23rd 2012 @ 9:38pm
Sircoolalot said | July 23rd 2012 @ 9:38pm | Report comment
If you’re going to be picky…. A lot of his family has played for Toulouse then
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:25am
stillmissit said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
What dead head media we have. Here is a critical piece of information on a loss of talent that I have not seen mentioned anywhere but here!
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:57am
Sailosi said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
I know i go on about Talelei Grey a lot but he is a pleasure to watch. Biarritz can’t belive they have a 21 year old Australian of his quality. He’s big, fast, aggressive a.d provides a lineout option. He was an Aussie u/20 rep and was for some reason just left to perish at 21.
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:17pm
the Bone said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Wait a few more weeks and hear about the signing of 21 year old lock from Perth Jake Ball to another one of the biggest clubs in the world. Our recruitment and retention of players is a joke. Look at Dane Haylett-Petty 55 caps for Biarritz, killing it
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:35pm
p.Tah said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
Add to that three players leaving Southern Districts who have taken up contracts in Japan and Europe and another three from Eastwood who have left/leaving to go overseas.
July 22nd 2012 @ 2:04pm
the Bone said | July 22nd 2012 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Really, who are these players? I heard Brackin Henry is going to Japan, Nicky Price is in France and Tim Bennetts is at cannon in Japan and that awesome #12 from Woods but he was Tongan
July 22nd 2012 @ 6:43pm
p.Tah said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:43pm | Report comment
From Souths: Brackin (Japan), Nicky Price (France), Dewet Roos (France), Sean Dolye (Ulster)
Eastwood: Tim Bennetts (Japan), Sione Piukala (France), John Grant (West Tigers left in 2011)
There are probably others but these are the ones who’ve I read about recently.
July 22nd 2012 @ 6:54pm
SamClench said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:54pm | Report comment
Is Timmy Bennetts in Japan now? Fancy that. Went to high school with the bloke.
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:02pm
p.Tah said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:02pm | Report comment
Apparently Sam
http://northern-district-times.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/eastwood-lose-centre-pairing-overseas/
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:51pm
Kuruki said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:51pm | Report comment
There is also no genuine 2nd tier competition for these guys to move into. if they are not signed by a super side then they need to go looking for a job.
That is the biggest reason.
Also the Wallaby jersey has very little pulling power.
July 22nd 2012 @ 9:02am
nickoldschool said | July 22nd 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
For the record, Finau and Isitolo his uncles played for Toulouse in the past, hence his move to the club. But yes, i agree, it’s sad to lose a guy like that. http://yfrog.com/oehe1kjj
Stillmissit, french media announced the news 3 weeks ago. Maka is probably not ‘big news’ enough for us in Oz. Appalling.
July 22nd 2012 @ 9:21am
Jiggles said | July 22nd 2012 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Grey has been fantastic in France. I can’t believe the Rebels turned him down.
July 23rd 2012 @ 5:10am
RebelRanger said | July 23rd 2012 @ 5:10am | Report comment
Much as I love Delve I would rather have Talalei. He’s young, alot cheaper and would stay with the team long term. He’s a home product which would have given us some grounds to justify our inclusion.
July 22nd 2012 @ 1:46pm
Justin2 said | July 22nd 2012 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
Without knowing potentially money is more important than a gold jersey???
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:49am
hog said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:49am | Report comment
The reality is Aus have gone from 3 teams to 5 in the last few years yet still choosing from the same playing pool. It will take time and is not going to be easy as the afl and nrl have so much more money to throw at recruitment.
July 22nd 2012 @ 2:10pm
AndyS said | July 22nd 2012 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
It is not a question of recruitment; that implies the talent exists but hasn’t been spotted. They’ve made spots available but have done less than nothing about player development. Instead, they’ve eliminated academies and forced even greater reliance on club rugby, which does little or nothing to actually prepare players for the rigours of professional rugby. There is simply no way for players to bridge the gap, which is why there is no depth when the underprepared inevitably break.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:52am
stillatragic said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:52am | Report comment
This article is about the depth of Australian Rugby right? OK. How many teams would be able to field a competent play maker with Cooper, Harris, Lucus, and San Lane all out with injury? These are injuries to the same position mind you. How much depth can a team have? Not to mention Horwill, both Fainga’as, Jono Lance, Rod Davies and Van Humphries all out with injuries. None of these are fringe players. A lot are Wallabies. Add the 5 week suspension for Digby (usual suspension is 2 weeks), and the 1 week for Cooper, both excessive in terms of SANZA suspensions, and I think the Reds have done well to get to the finals. Yes they were outplayed and out thought last night, but this article is about depth, and this article is a bit light on facts.
July 22nd 2012 @ 9:49am
AWCMONREF said | July 22nd 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Didn’t the ABs do that in the RWC, lose the brilliant Dan Carter and a host of others,your absolutely right no wonder NZ got no where in that tournament, mind you credit to the Reds the ABs were only playing INTERNATIONAL TEAMS and not SUPER RUGBY TEAMS, didn’t the Sharks lose Lambie and Steyn before the game, your a genuis freakin genius now suck it up the Crusaders replaced Read who imo is a bigger loss then Cooper when your playing a South African team and the Sharks replaced Lambie and Steyn but the Reds as you put it couldn’t reolace their injured players, which I thought was the point of the article……
July 22nd 2012 @ 2:43pm
SamClench said | July 22nd 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
The Reds have suffered from a long injury list, but that says nothing about the rest of the conference. The rest of Australia has managed to perform pretty poorly without those setbacks.
July 22nd 2012 @ 6:40pm
Ryan said | July 22nd 2012 @ 6:40pm | Report comment
The Reds are not the only team to have been affected by injury this year.
July 23rd 2012 @ 5:30am
mania said | July 23rd 2012 @ 5:30am | Report comment
stillatragic – your putting rodDavies up as a test quality player? really?
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:54am
Rabbitz said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:54am | Report comment
I wonder how much it would cost to fly to Cape Town….
It would be worth it for the spectacle!
July 23rd 2012 @ 4:42pm
SamClench said | July 23rd 2012 @ 4:42pm | Report comment
Too right. Gonna be one hell of a game.
July 22nd 2012 @ 7:55am
Bellringer said | July 22nd 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
There is a real generational problem in Australia at the moment in producing rugby talent of either code. Anybody who thinks the NRL is a talent laden goldmine is sadly mistaken. I had the unfortunate experience of going to watch the GC v Broncos match the other night and it was terrible. As a schoolteacher who has been involved in the coaching of representative schoolboy league and union teams for the best part of 20 years I can tell you that the last 5 years have been pretty barren and it’s a concern that has been raised on many occasions. If you look at the last state of origin out of the 34 players only 5 had debuted since 2007. I feel that the administratiors of the contact sports in this country need to get together and come up with a solution to keeping more kids involved past the age of 15.
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July 22nd 2012 @ 8:31am
stillmissit said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Bellringer: Very pertinent. I have been involved in rugby for the last 30 years and I have never seen such a dearth of commitment by young players to the game. A season here, a season there, then nothing.
This approach to contact sport in Australia has been coming since the 80′s and I think it won’t stop. I can see a Labor/Green Government of the future banning all contact sport to ‘save a life’ . We may be part of a dying (pun intended) breed…..
July 23rd 2012 @ 5:03pm
Kuruki said | July 23rd 2012 @ 5:03pm | Report comment
There are so many jobs paying good money these days. Guys would rather be out drinking and mingling with the young sheilas then in bed getting rest for a big game in the morning.
Half of the blokes i work with have stopped playing sport because they had pressure put on them from the employer not to miss days of work due to sport injuries. I told em to get stuffed.
There are tons of young Kiwis in the NRL feeder sides and junior teams, allot of them give it up to go and work because there mates are earning big money and having the time of their lives while they have to stay semi disciplined.
Maybe there are just more opportunities with mining booms and what not, that a small chance of making good coin in the NRL or Super Rugby is not really worth the risk when you can go earn big money in the mines and live it up.
July 22nd 2012 @ 8:45am
stillmissit said | July 22nd 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Or maybe there will be a ‘pool fence’ placed around rugby where only professional players who have signed a statement that they know they are risking their life and they are not entitled to sue the government can play. No school will be allowed to play the game and any private arrangements for a game will result in fines or imprisonment….