NRL big hits: Inglis’ shoulder charge and the Blues’ next coach
By Ryan O'Connell, 24 Jul 2012 Ryan O'Connell is a Roar Expert
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Greg Inglis and Trent Merrin face off. AAP Image/Action Photographics, Renee Mckay
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Last week, I wrote an article about how the NRL had sustained the fantastic momentum built up by the State of Origin series, even though there is traditionally a bit of a lull after the hyped interstate battle.
This was based on some fantastic football on the park, and plenty of dramatic headlines off it.
And so it continued this weekend, with plenty of talking points coming out of round 20.
Souths, Dragons seething over Inglis
The Bulldogs winning streak hit eight with a sensational victory over Manly at Fortress Brookvale, which moved them to the top of the competition ladder. Likewise, the Rabbitohs continued their impressive form of late, again looking the goods in disposing of the Dragons.
Both victories had fans dreaming of an all Sydney NRL grand final, however, such talk is premature, and there were plenty of other relevant topics to discuss after the weekend’s footy.
Though none bigger than Greg Inglis’ shoulder charge on Dean Young, and the ramifications of Stephen Kearney getting sacked by the Parramatta Eels.
I was watching the Rabbitohs versus Dragons game live, and my first impression of the Greg Inglis shoulder charge was that it was a brutal, but legal hit. It seemed like Inglis’ upper arm/shoulder hit Young’s chest, with the resulting impact knocking the Dragons forward out cold.
Upon watching the replay, I felt that while there was some residual impact on the jaw, the hit was still OK. It did seem to me that the first point of contact was not Young’s head, and that it was simply a very unfortunate accident.
However, it soon became quite evident that I was in the minority. The vast majority of people seemed the think the hit was illegal, with many even believing that Inglis should have been sent off.
I’m big enough to admit when I’m wrong, and I clearly was in my initial reaction to the shoulder charge.
The bottom line is that players have a duty of care not to injure their fellow players. While I maintain that it was accident, the fact is that it was somewhat avoidable, and Inglis should have had the presence of mind to pull back on his desired impact, or at least change the type of tackle he was going to execute on Young.
I personally don’t believe there was a lot in the incident. It was not a ‘dog act’ or ‘cheap shot’, as many Dragons fans are claiming. I think Inglis’ towering height was the crucial factor in the tackle going awry. It’s important to remember that rugby league is a contact sport, and when you have elite athletes running hard at each other, accidents are going to happen.
But regardless, it’s the responsibility of the tackler to not impact the attacking player’s head. The head must remain sacrosanct, and offending players must be punished accordingly in order to discourage any notion of going anywhere near an opponent’s head.
If you do, the margin for error becomes very small, and the game can’t have players being stretchered off the field. Plain and simple.
I’d be happy to see Inglis get anywhere between 1-3 weeks suspension – depending of his plea – but nothing more.
The second big hit from the weekend was less violent, yet will have much larger ramifications upon rugby league.
It was quite strange that Stephen Kearney was sacked during the week, yet still coached against the Melbourne Storm on Saturday night. Even weirder, while in the process of upsetting the competition leaders and therefore departing the Eels as a winner, the rumours circulated at halftime that Ricky Stuart had signed on with Parramatta.
It was a bizarre set of circumstances.
The decision by the Eels to sign Stuart, once confirmed, obviously impacts upon the New South Wales Blues team, as at this stage the NSWRL continue to insist that a club coach cannot fulfil dual duties.
So it seems NSW will have a new man at the helm next year. But who will it be?
Blues assistant Trent Barrett, NSW Country coach Laurie Daley, NSW City coach Brad Fittler and Andrew Johns were immediately trumpeted to be the favourites. This quick shortlist was compiled by the media because none have club coaching commitments, all have strong ties to the Blues, and all understand what Origin is all about.
However, Johns has already ruled himself out. Showing great self awareness – which was sadly lacking during certain times in his life – Johns stated that there is no chance of him applying for the role, because he has no head coaching experience, and he doesn’t think he’s up to the pressure involved.
That leaves Barrett, Daley and Fittler, though I’m almost certain other candidates will emerge.
As great as all three ex-five eighths were as players, their coaching experience is either limited, unimpressive, or both. However, you could have levelled the same charge against Mal Meninga when he took over the Queensland Maroons.
At this very early stage, Barrett would have to be the favourite, as he’s the current Blues assistant coach. That obviously means he’s been around the playing group, and can offer a sense of continuity despite Stuart moving on.
However, I’m sure the speculation on who will be the next Blues coach is only in its diapers.
Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.
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July 24th 2012 @ 3:00am
Gremlin said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:00am | Report comment
Ryan, I think your pretty close to the mark on most of what you have wrote, though I would lean toward reckless as opposed to careless with the Inglis tackle. Not sure what that means in weeks?
July 24th 2012 @ 3:19am
falcore said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:19am | Report comment
“The bottom line is that players have a duty of care not to injure their fellow players.”
Very true. The trouble is that players are conditioned from a young age to hurt an opponent. “It’s the nature of the game son. We gotta destroy those (insert arch-nemesis)”. This is where cheap shots come from – players know if/when they cross the line with respect to the written rules, but somewhere in their mind are lesons learned from their junior days when Davo the half-back’s boozy dad was coach. It’s a culture thing, and it’s not just a rugby league problem – concussion discussions and the bounty scandal at the Saints have bought a tonne of pressure on Goodell and the NFL over the last few years.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:07am
B.A Sports said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:07am | Report comment
What % of parents do you think actually tell their kids to go out and hurt someone? Surely it wouldn’t be more than say the standard 5% slack jaw yokel allocation that we factor into any poll or segment of society? Inglis is what 25/26? He is old enough to have his own view on right v wrong. “Conditioning” isn’t going to be a defence a 25 year old can use in a court of law or at a judicary.
I agree with most of what Ryan said (though I thought it was a straight send off and still do). The head is a straight no go zone, if you want to tackle anywhere near the head, fine, but even if it is an accident, the moment you make contact you need to face the consequences. Then it comes down to careless or reckless and in this case the way in which Inglis took to Young was reckless.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:59am
Ryan O'Connell said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
B.A., what concerns me is that the match review committee believe Inglis’ offence is worth 5 weeks, yet the on-field referees and video referee both felt it didn’t warrant being sent off.
Surely this is a massive disconnect there? They’re clearly not on the same page, so to speak.
Also, it’s not fair that Inglis is ruled to have made an illegal play against the Dragons, yet they receive little benefit from his punishment. Other teams are the lucky ones that don’t get to face Inglis.
July 24th 2012 @ 1:15pm
soapit said | July 24th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
change will always take longer for decisions that have to be made on the spot. the judiciary will have to lead and the on field refs will eventually follow.
July 24th 2012 @ 2:27pm
B.A Sports said | July 24th 2012 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
Agree Ryan. The moment you see “grade 4″ for any offence, you have to wonder why it wasn’t deemed serious enough for a send off (or vice versa). While the refs don’t have the same time to review precedents like the Review Committee, they clearly need to sit down and map some guidelines so that they are making consistant rulings across both groups.
July 24th 2012 @ 3:52pm
Ken said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:52pm | Report comment
As a Dragons fan, that lack of fairness definitely hurts. I don’t believe I’m biased thinking it should have been a send-off, since plenty of neutral fans have said the same thing, and it seems that the judiciary agree as well. The Dragons lost the player and still had to face Inglis for the rest of the game, while the next team gets a significantly weaker Souths for free.
The below hypothetical is kind of pointless but, hey, if we didn’t debate these things this site might cease to exist! If Inglis was sent off it’s very likely the scoreline would have been reversed. The game was still in the balance at that point, Inglis amongst a strong general game, later pulled off a try saving tackle and then scored a try that no-one else on the field would probably have done. Considering all the upsets over the weekend the Dragons would have been in 8th and looking good for the finals – now they’re 13th and requiring a minor miracle. Of course the obvious riposte is that if they’d won a couple more games it wouldn’t be an issue but it does rankle the fans when the on-field official gives a penalty and the match review committee then give a charge indicating it was in send-off territory.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:08am
liquorbox_ said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:08am | Report comment
how are you meant to tackle without trying to injure a player, by nature the contact is designed to impact a body and there can only be one result. The injury might be so minor that it does not bruise, but if you are contacted enough you wear out through the constant contact.
Cheap Shots outside of the rules are the issue.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:31am
B.A Sports said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
I always tried to tackle hard, but i was never trying to hurt the person i was tackling. huge difference.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:06am
steve b said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
B.A .Sports i said it the other day in another article ,,i was taught back in the day the other side is the enemy and to stop them at all cost,,,..I was good at putting on the shoulder charge and did it every chance i got ,,until one day playing Green Valley at Liverpool my good mate was hit with a shoulder charge that put him in intensive care for three weeks and ended this champion footballers career …I can remember it like it happened yesterday the not knowing if the brain was ok his parents were a bloody mess my parents were a mess our team went gun shy ..It modified my behaviour on the feild from that day on i still tackled hard but never again did i use the shoulder charge,,i hear the so called tough guys who write on this site ,,saying get over it you sook but it really scared the piss out of me when we thought he might end up a vegetable ,,he is ok now and works as club strapper but he never put a boot on again ..Since that day i have been on the band wagon of get rid of this tackle out of our game ..
July 24th 2012 @ 11:04am
WQ said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Nice response steve b, the only thing I can ad is that I don’t believe the shoulder charge is a tackle, it’s just a shoulder charge and most of them aren’t a shoulder charge more a hip and shoulder barge!
July 24th 2012 @ 10:26am
liquorbox_ said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
really? I alway tried to takcle hard enough to knock the wind out of an opponant, or for him to be slow to his feet.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:53am
The Greatest Game Of All said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Thats one of the lamest thing Ive heard, who do you think your opponents going to run at all day, Tallis, Gillespie or B.A Sports.
July 24th 2012 @ 2:24pm
B.A Sports said | July 24th 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Maybe i would make an exception for you “Greatest Game of All”…
How many players has Nathan Hindmarsh injured in his career through his tackles? or Dallas Johnson? – it would be near none yet they are lauded as some of the best defenders of their time.
Glen Stewart hits everyone high, but I would run at him before the other two i mentioned, because the other two will stop me me and i know if i run around Stewart he will either get me high for a penalty or miss me.
July 24th 2012 @ 3:22am
Knight Vision said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:22am | Report comment
Daley , Johns , Barrett , Fittler are not only inexperienced in coaching but more importantly they lack the man management skills needed due to their age. There can be no question that lifes experiences are invaluable in assembling the right team and having them perform to their ability. If any of these guys are appointed to the top job we may as well hand QLD the series right now. Great as assistants but no way are they up for the top gig. Maybe in 10 years or so they could have a shot. I give you the example of Kearney at the Eels , a young guy coming into a pressure cooker situation and probably more of a friend to the boys than the ruthless elder statesman type role required. There can be nothing like a steady experienced hand at the wheel in trying times.
July 24th 2012 @ 11:51am
tonysalerno said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
We want Phil Gould!
I know it’s a pipe dream but he would be the best replacement for Ricky Stuart. The four players mentioned are too inexperienced for one of the most important coaching in rugby league so i agree with you in that sense Knight Vision.
Although the Eels performances did not help Kearney’s cause which ultimately led to his downfall.
GI’s shoulder charge should not see the end of the ‘tackle’ in rugby league. The rugby league would be hypocritical to ban the shoulder charge as they use it as a promotion tool and popularity gimmick.
I think if Inglis fights it will be downgraded to maybe three weeks which ultimately hands Ben Barba the Dally M medal barring injury.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:36pm
Devout Saint said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:36pm | Report comment
I want Peter Sterling to coach NSW. I think/hope he would be able to fit it in with his channel nine commitments and his family commitments. I know he has knocked back club coaching positions in the past, he has a very stable and well paying job job at nine, but origin is only 3 games a year. Lets get the Sterlo for NSW coach campaign going. I do think he is the best rugby league brain that I know of, he could get a couple of assistants to help him too, if he wanted to.
July 25th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Ryan O'Connell said | July 25th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
One of the smartest rugby league brains going around, respected by the players, and despite no coaching experience, he has plenty of tactical nous.
I’d love to see Sterlo in the role.
July 24th 2012 @ 7:40am
Mals said | July 24th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Ryan, ah so Inglis is a tall man therefore the judiciary should hit him with a feather duster? I am surprised you didn’t use the “It’s not his go” line as well.
If you are a tall player you bend your knees & back to get in the right hitting zone, it’s not hard! All these apologists for Inglis also forget he was hitting a stationary target not a man running at speed which makes it even easier for him to calculate the correct hitting zone & execute a legal tackle.
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July 24th 2012 @ 11:01am
Ryan O'Connell said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
It’s not an apology for Inglis, it’s an observation. Clear difference, Mals.
July 24th 2012 @ 4:04pm
Ken said | July 24th 2012 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
I get your gist Ryan, smaller guys don’t have as much to worry about but in this case I think it should actually go against him. He is a tall man, easily half a head taller than Young, yet he felt the need to jump into the shoulder charge. Despite the fact he was lining up a player basically jogging on the spot and had plenty of time and space on his side to aim his shot. It’s why plenty of us see this as more than just a simple shoulder charge gone wrong.
July 24th 2012 @ 5:19pm
Ryan O'Connell said | July 24th 2012 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
I don’t think he jumped that much, to be fair, but I take your point.
At the end of the day, Inglis is well aware he’s tall, and he’s needs to adjust his tackling accordingly.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:08am
A1 said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:08am | Report comment
The games gone soft. It was a good hit! It was shoulder on shoulder with the resulting impact knocking Young out. He didn’t hit his head at all. I’ve seen it happen plenty of times, with the whiplash of the impact knocking a player out. Young getting hurt is irrelevant unless the tackle was illegal. Do players get suspended when a player sprains their ankle in a legal tackle? No.
As for duty of care, maybe Young should look where he’s running and where the defense is.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:36am
Damo said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Perhaps it’s best you watch the footage again. His shoulder DOES hit his jaw. And Young getting injured is totally relevant because the tackle WAS illegal. Why do you think he was penalised, put on report and is facing the judiciary?
July 24th 2012 @ 11:07am
Ryan O'Connell said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
A1, if you have a son, would you like him to be on the end of what you think was a ‘legal’ tackle like that?
July 24th 2012 @ 5:25pm
A1 said | July 24th 2012 @ 5:25pm | Report comment
It’s a tough sport and it’s the nature of the game. I don’t have a son, but if I did I’d want him to play golf or tennis. More money.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:22am
steve b said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:22am | Report comment
I am not a St George supporter in fact far from it ,,ingliss had ample time to change the way he hit Young it was reckless and he deserves what he is about to get …
July 24th 2012 @ 9:27am
Lovey said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
I thought he was totally committed to that shoulder charge, and he arrived a fraction of a second after Young got caught from behind. A fraction of a second, not ample time. So it was a shoulder charge (legal) that went somewhat wrong (all too common). Either way, when all the club doctors are saying to ban the shoulder charge, it will be banned. It is an intimidation technique. It is all about intent. People like the big collisions, but I am not convinced that they are really the game-changers they are made out to be.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:29am
Blaze said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:29am | Report comment
“didn’t hit his head at all”?? So his jaw naturally pushes back into his earhole everytime he is shoulder charged?
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July 24th 2012 @ 9:23am
WQ said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
The whole debate about Inglis and his shoulder charge is rubbish.
You see these types of hits occurring regularly in Rugby League as a result of the shoulder charge being legal. The reason the shoulder charge is legal is because it allows for spectacular hits in the game, so called crowd pleasers. I personally think it is a cheap shot as it allows people to put a hit on with minimum impact to them and maximum impact to the person receiving the hit.
The whole dynamic of putting a hit on changes significantly if you have to use your arms. This forces a tackle using the point of your shoulder as opposed to a hip and shoulder. The impact can be as big for the person putting the hit on as it is for the person receiving the hit if they get it wrong.
Rugby League needs to make a decision about the legality of Shoulder Charges in the game! If they are going to be a legal way of attacking another player then what ever comes of it needs to be accepted, if they are not prepared to accept what comes from Shoulder charges then make them illegal.
It seems to me that the current arrangement says that you can put a hit on with a shoulder charge as long as it looks good and not bad and as long as nobody gets hurt!
July 24th 2012 @ 9:43am
Dawso said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Is it non-negotiable that the Blues have a non-club coach? I know the arguments in favour of this setup but Des Hasler would do a better job than Barrett, Daley or Fittler. I can’t believe Fittler is even being talked about.
So often in Origin we just look at what QLD are doing and copy it. “Mal’s fulltime, we need a fulltime coach!” I don’t think Mal’s undivided attention is really the reason they have won 7 in a row. Plenty of people reckon that Mal more just a legendary presence than a hands-on coach.
July 24th 2012 @ 11:02am
Ryan O'Connell said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
If NSW are fair dinkum about winning, how could you NOT select Des Hasler, regardless of the circumstances?
Winning should be the only thing that matters.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:33pm
Dan said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:33pm | Report comment
Wasn’t that why they appointed Belly ache?
July 25th 2012 @ 12:10pm
Ryan O'Connell said | July 25th 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
Potentially – but I don’t think NSW were as strong, player wise, under Bellyache. Of course, a lot fo that had to do with his selections!
July 24th 2012 @ 9:50am
Razza said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
HOORAY,HOORAY,HOORAY
And it is about time too to see the punishnent dealt out to these headhunters in the game and the high profile players also, good to see.
And it is also great to see a player sent off instead of this stupid crossed arms put on report crap that has been going on, it is a game of skill and a defending player has got to use his skill (brain) when going in for a tackle, if he is a short player, dont shoulder charge, but what ever get it right and hit the player well below the head.
But the best thing to do is ban it, like in Rugby Union where it is penalised as a dangerous tackle and that is what it is a lazy players tackle, sure it looks spectactular and gets the fans out of their seats, but they are not the ones who may end up seriously injured from it.
The headhigh tackle, or coathanger, is here to stay, sure there are deliberate headhigh tackles put on, but most of them are a reaction that we would all do in the same situation and unfortunately some go wrong and end up hitting the attacking player in the head and most come off the shoulder, but that is not to say they should not be treated as a dangerous tackle and a player has got to control his approach into a tackle a little better.
Good to see that the League are getting fairdinkum and this may be the start of other infringements that go unchecked having heavy off field penalties applied.
Like it or hate it, this is my thoughts.