Picky gripe over Sticky hype: How will Parramatta fare?
By rselvage7, 24 Jul 2012 rselvage7 is a Roar Rookie
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With Ricky Stuart’s possible move to the Parramatta Eels in season 2013, rival clubs also competing for his services may be better off by not luring the NSW Origin coach.
The following compilation of statistics and associated insights bring the coaching career of Ricky Stuart into question.
2002 Premiership, 2003 and 2004 grand finals
Sure, Stuart has tasted premiership success with the Sydney Roosters: albeit a decade ago. The 2002 campaign was lead mostly by experienced, developed players. These were players who knew how to win.
The coach also took the team to the following two grand finals. However, the side was unable to capitalise on their regular season successes – losing to the Panthers and Bulldogs respectively.
It is worth mentioning that the Roosters were in a good position when Stuart took over, having narrowly lost the 2000 grand final to the Brisbane Broncos. During this golden period – where the Roosters made four of five grand finals, was based largely on captain Brad Fittler and the platform built by Stuart’s mentor Phil Gould. As of 2005, these men had left the club.
This left Stuart with an under performing roster flailing hopelessly at the bottom of the NRL ladder, with just eight wins from 24 starts.
Enter Chris Anderson.
Stuart handed over the reigns to the former Melbourne and Cronulla boss in 2006, The plight experienced by the club literally gave Anderson heart concerns. The 1999 premiership winning coach could not halt the downwards spiral of the Bondi based club and he later made way for Fittler.
2007 – 2009: Sticky confirms ‘The Perennial Strugglers’ tag at Cronulla
Stuart arrived at the helm in the shire as of 2007, after coaching 73 games for just 33 wins in the first three seasons of his tenure. 2008, the last time Cronulla reached the NRL finals series, was by far the highlight in Stuart’s coaching career. Cronulla finished equal minor premiers with 38 competition points – before tumbling out of the competition 28-0 to eventual runners up Melbourne.
During this time, the Sharks said goodbye to the likes of Greg Bird, Brett Seymour, Brett Kimmorley, Ben Ross, Danny Nutley, Adam Peek and Isaac De Gois.
Along with these exits, the winning culture and stability at the club also left, as did club sponsors.
Cronulla finished equal last in the 2009 season with just 14 points, finishing ahead of, ironically, the Sydney Roosters, on points differential.
2010: Ricky talks in the third person about Ricky, quits Cronulla.
The ‘marquee’ recruitment of the then 32-year-old Trent Barrett and former Parramatta exile Tim Smith, unsurprisingly failed to cease Cronulla’s losing ways.
The coach held a press conference where it was discussed that “Ricky Stuart needed to do what was best for Ricky Stuart”, calling short his time as Cronulla’s mentor with a year remaining on his contract.
In his final year at the club, the Sharks finished with just seven wins. They were third last, only above the Cowboys and the disqualified Melbourne Storm.
2011 – 2012 : “What’s best” for Stuart still not good enough for NSW
Ricky Stuart has had success outside club coaching. He was the last NSW coach to win a series, taking the Andrew Johns inspired Blues to victory in 2005.
Stuart took over from Craig Bellamy as NSW Origin coach again in season 2011, looking to prevent a sixth straight Origin series loss. NSW went on to lose the series 2-1. The 2012 campaign, while close, also ended in a 2-1 defeat for the Blues.
2013 – What’s changed since 2010?
Superficially it would appear very little, However those in the inner sanctum of Origin have credited Stuart’s works for reinstating belief in NSW’s abilities. There is little doubt that the Blues were much more competitive this year than in previous seasons, however they were still unable to come up with a series victory.
Ricky moved on from the Sharks in order to do what was best for Ricky. Presumably, if he moves to the Eels, his motivation will be the same.
It remains to be seen, however, whether what is good for Ricky, is good for the Eels.
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July 24th 2012 @ 7:38am
Ask said | July 24th 2012 @ 7:38am | Report comment
I think the 2002 premiership could be more attibuted to Graham Murray than Ricky Stuart coaching-wise which would explain why any other time Stuart coached teams have got there they could not go the distance. You can easily retort by saying Murray coached teams are 0 from 2 for grand final appearances but I am of the belief that most teams need to lose one to learn how to win one and Stuart had a reasonably identical team to Murray’s 2000 team but one with the benefit of more experience. Murray was given the arse from the Roosters and the Cowboys before he could get them to another.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:12am
GM1 said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:12am | Report comment
Don’t forget the lost world cup and his go at the referee after the match. Somehow R Stuart has this glow around him at the moment of the best coach in the game, where his record does not reflect this.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:25am
rselvage7 said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
I couldn’t agree more – where has this aura surrounding his coaching come from? surely statistics can prove that there are better coaches out there.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:37am
Gareth said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Yeah, I’m not sure I’d be falling over myself to hire a guy whose current credentials are “instilling 5/6 time origin losers with a winning hunger”. To me, that sounds about as challenging as convincing a bloke to have a drink after he’s just spent a week in the desert. We’ll see though. If nothing else, it might turn into a cautionary tale of what happens when you keep giving “one of the boys” jobs he’s not up for.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:40am
Michael said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Hi.
This potential announcement fills me with the same feeling I had when Parra announced they had signed Chris Sandow. It could be great, but will probably be a disaster……
July 24th 2012 @ 11:21am
ScottWoodward.me said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:21am | Report comment
Fellas,
Life is about not what you know but who you know and Ricky is a master of illusion and he has RLNSW and the Sydney media wrapped around his little halfback fingers.
The journos in the Sydney papers and at Fox Sports and Channel 9 are quite capable of thinking for themselves but continue to ram this biased crap down our throats.
As journos who are supposed to report the facts, they have let themselves down and lost credibility with their audience.
What is a fact and not known to the public is that professionals who compile analytics for the purposes of ratings which end up developing actual real time prices that millions is invested upon have a low rating on Ricky Stuart similar to the Canberra and Titans coaches, which strangely happen to be close mates of Ricky.
What this means is that all the figures that are compiled go into a data base with the many filters on the teams, but the coach is then added and his rating is based on his stats and the quality of players he has had available to him.
July 24th 2012 @ 1:16pm
rselvage7 said | July 24th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
sure, Furner has had his ups and downs, but look at the players that have been missing from the line up in recent years. Campese played only 9 minutes last season, and another season ending injury this year has not helped the raiders. Throw in the loss of Josh Dugan this season and poor signings (orford) and thats why he has been under media scrutiny.
July 24th 2012 @ 7:47pm
PuntPal said | July 24th 2012 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
Totally agree rselvage7!
Replacing Funer with Stuart was not what I wanted as wanted as a Raiders fan. Furner has this season to still prove himself, the Eels (and Roosters and Panthers!) are gone!
July 24th 2012 @ 9:14pm
rselvage7 said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:14pm | Report comment
The majority of Raiders fans – and the wider rugby league community – forget the 2010 season. The raiders were essentially 1 win away from a grand final berth if Croker’s conversion is good. The next season, Campese goes down after 9 mins, Orford under performs and the place is heavily scrutinized. Furner deserves his place.
July 24th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Bestywins said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
I think you will find that one Ivan Cleary was an assistant coach at the roosters for the premiership year. Murray left the place after doing most of the hard work and I rate him highly as a coach. Scott rightly points out Stuart had the whole world bluffed with his ability and it will all end in tears. his selections in origin over the last two years have cost the blues any chance of winning.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:15pm
rselvage7 said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:15pm | Report comment
I think you will find that Ivan Cleary played in the grand final losing warriors side of 2002
July 24th 2012 @ 3:23pm
ThomasHudson9 said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
If history is anything to go by, Stuart will struggle in his newest position as player signings will be key to Parramatta’s success in the future. Their heat and soul, Nathan Hindmarsh, is retiring come season’s end.
July 24th 2012 @ 9:15pm
rselvage7 said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:15pm | Report comment
The whole club is a shambles – good luck Stuart.
July 25th 2012 @ 1:17pm
Mal Melingerer! said | July 25th 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Bulldogs fans are loving this decision….