What will Heyneke Meyer do for SA rugby?
By biltongbek, 24 Jul 2012 biltongbek is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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The appointment of Heyneke Meyer was akin to the second coming if you were to believe any Blue Bull supporter in South Africa.
After four frustrating years under Pieter de Villiers, the Springbok supporters in South Africa felt it was high time for a head coach appointed for ‘rugby reasons’ only.
Although I don’t know a lot about Heyneke Meyer, I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. Let me make it clear I do not support any specific franchise in South Africa and therefore have no bias either way.
For me the Springboks are the ultimate goal and hence the best team must run onto the field, regardless where the players come from.
So what has he shown us in the English Test series?
While it’s true the Springboks at times did show some incredible intensity, hitting the line hard and at pace, the usual game plan was not altered much, except perhaps the forwards hitting their lines harder and less runs from a standing start.
Frans Steyn has shown his influence with a number of skip passes over Jean de Villiers to his wings and JP Pietersen has found sublime form. Even Habana, along with JP Pietersen, had some scintillating runs from kick returns and it wasn’t just the usual aerial ping pong from the back.
So even though there were some glimmers of hope, considering injuries limited ‘experiments in selection’, there are still a good number of questions needing answers.
Why did Meyer not allow Jantjies to come off the bench in the last test? Why did Meyer not give Lambie an opportunity at 10? Why is Meyer so intent on his 8, 9, 10 and 15 to come from the Bulls? And is there any chance of expanding on the existing strengths and allow players more freedom to use their instinct and vision to play the game, or is he content with playing one structure only?
When looking at the selections of Spies, Hougaard, Morne Steyn and Zane Kirchner in those pivotal positions, and the current form of those players, it begs the question would any of them have been selected if Graham Henry was the coach of the Springboks?
Henry was a firm believer in picking players on form, and had no issue with selecting an uncapped form player in place of a seasoned out of form international.
Pierre Spies has been mediocre at best for some time now and, as captain of the Bulls, does not look like he is leading from the front or inspiring his players in any way.
Morne Steyn has been in poor form since 2009, when Fourie du Preez injured his shoulder, and has not been the same player since. The 2009 laws and gameplan suited Steyn’s skills to a tee, but since then the game has moved on and Steyn has not only stagnated, he has lost form and confidence.
Zane Kirchner has never been that great to begin with, he is a front foot player. The only time you see Kirchner affecting an offload or breaking the line is when his forwards have put the opposition on the back foot.
Hougaard is a talented player and, if you were to put him in a Sharks jersey where he would have more freedom to snipe around the rucks and mauls, using his attacking nous and strength to create space for his support runners, he would thrive. But within a Bulls setup he will never reach his full potential as he is forced to play a Fourie du Preez style game.
By selecting these four players (with the exception of a Hougaard given freedom) players such as Frans Steyn, Jean de Villiers, JP Pietersen and Bryan Habana will continue to be underused and ineffective.
Schalk Burger, Duane Vermeulen and yes even Kankowski will be more physical, more effective and much, much more beneficial to the South African pack than Spies. I would even give Josh Strauss an opportunity if needed.
Johan Goosen has shown in only half a Super XV season that he is by far the best attacking option at 10 for SA. He is still leading the statistics with the most offloads, most line breaks and most tries of all the fly halves in South Africa, with Patrick Lambie and Peter Grant all ahead of Morne Steyn.
At Fullback, South Africa have players like Louis Ludick, Jaco Taute and even Joe Pietersen ahead of Zane Kirchner.
So the question remains, will Meyer remove his Blue-tinted glasses and realize that the Springboks have at least three players with more potential and in better form than his incumbents in each of those positions and will he realize the Sharks, Cheetahs and even the Lions show the way forward for Springbok evolution?
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July 24th 2012 @ 9:34am
Rusty said | July 24th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
I think BB that Meyer started cautiously to win using players he already knows the strengths and weaknesses for. For him its a trust thing and as he takes the current squad under his wing I think you will find as he gets the same knowledge on other players the squad will become strengthened by better prospects than those at the existing Bulls franchise. Flyhalf is going to be our biggest concern at the moment as Steyn is completely shot of confidence at the moment
July 24th 2012 @ 10:13am
kingplaymaker said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
There’s something sinister about Meyer in terms of what he might or rather might not do: it’s not so much the conservative and unimaginative nature of his selections and strategy but the tone of what he says, shot through with a love of keeping things the same, a deep belief that what’s old and well-known is good. As I often say the outrageous statement he made that the 31 year-old De Villiers, a player who has been a passenger in attack compared to his younger self for years, could be the next great Springbok captain, is ominous for this South African team.
There looms the prospect that Meyer may be even worse than Peter De Villiers: the latter at least apparently listened to his coaching assistants and put his conservative game-plan into practice as well as possible (the problem being that the plan was outdated by the 2009 law interpretation changes, but it worked fine in 2008). Meyer seems at least so far to genuinely believe in an outdated strategy and in not changing systems or players that are not working. It comes to me as a great suprise. I expected he would instantly cull any old or failing players, choose the more dynamic backline players available and evolve the team’s strategy to add modern expansive back play to the traditional power, speed and ferocity of the Springbok pack. That he seems another and maybe even worse De Villiers is quite bewildering.
Although they have to make do with far more limited players than other franchise coaches, I would say the Cheetahs coaching staff produce teams with imagination and can play a modern attacking game. I think they would do well with the national team or at least as attack coaches to someone like Jake White or Nick Mallett.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:38pm
Ben S said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
Sinister? He’s a coach, and apparently a very decent man, not a Bond villain.
July 25th 2012 @ 9:50pm
Shane said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:50pm | Report comment
You keep mentioning that “Jean is the next great captain” quote. I think what you fail to understand that there is a language and culture effect at work here. Heyneke is an extremely polite man, and all he means is that he believes Jean could be great at his role. He is not saying Jean will go down in history next to the greats, he is just using emotive language to express his confidence in Jean, at least for the interim captain role which Jean has been given. You cant be excessively pedantic when dealing with HM quotes, because remember he is speaking in his second language.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:33am
Hoy said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Until South Africa throw caution to the wind, and select a running 5/8, we will never know how good they really could be. With the backs they have, it is a terrible waste that they don’t use them with the great ball provided by their forwards.
I predict Lambie will be selected as the next 10, but Goosen should be give a go ahead of Lambie.
July 24th 2012 @ 10:49am
Suzy Poison said | July 24th 2012 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Great Article Biltong. I agree with everything you have say.
We can only live in hope. It seems Meyer has frozen under the intense spotlight of South African rugby and gone with a win at all cost strategy. It is strange but folks criticised Pieter De Villiers for doing the exactly same thing, whereas it was in fact the players Smit and Matfield dictating the strategy anyways. Part of it is, Meyer was terrified to lose, especially his first test. I think the Boks relaxed in the second test, and played some really good footy for the first 40 anyways. But then again, perhaps they relaxed too much and let England back in.
In the third test, three things counted against us. Firstly Morne Styen is badly out of form. Then we really missed Frans Steyn and Willem Alberts to get us over the advantage line.
Meyer has done some good things, and some poor things. Some of his selections are really poor. His loyalty to his Bulls players Kirchner, Morne Steyn, Pierre Spies, Jacques Potgieter and Wynard Olivier is very questionable. I would hope was because he has very little time, to work with most of the players in the lead up to the English games. On the positive side, the selection of Coetzee, Elzebeth, and Kruger was great to see. These new young guns showed, they are the future. I don’t buy into the argument that Heinrich Brussow should be in the team, I think Marcel Coetzee, is awesome, and especially against an out and out poacher like Gill from the Reds, Marcel excelled.
After this weekend, it’s plain to see who is in form, and who is not. The Bulls were quite frankly, embarrassing on Saturday night. They really are a poor advertisement for South African rugby. The kick and chase game plan only works if the kicking is accurate, and the chasers really pressurise the opposition. It has become so predictable, and Meyer really needs to vary this strategy a better developed attacking strategy. I only hope Meyer is not too stubbon and has seen the light and he should pick his team, mostly from the Sharks and Stormers. The Sharks showed the kind of enterprising play, that has been missing from the Boks for so long. I guess the positive is, I am a Stormers fan, but it comforting to me, that there are more Sharks in the Bok team, than any other Super team. Meyer has mentioned a few times how highly he rates rates Duane Vermeulen. It’s good to see that Vermeulen has a good chance of starting for the Stormers on Saturday. I think Meyer will select him , ahead of Spies. Unfortunately I think Meyer will still select Morne against Argentina. I would rather have anyone else. Peter Grant or even Elton Jantjies, because Morne’s form is shot of pieces. Goosen is due back from his injury, at the end of August. Unless he re-injures himself, I am sure before too long he will be in the Bok team, by the time the Boks play Australia in Perth This is my team for that game. In my team, I have excluded Morne Steyn and Pierre Spies from the match 22 altogether.
15. Patrick Lambie (Sharks)
14. JP Pietersen (Sharks)
13. Jean De Villiers (Stormers and Captain)
12. Frans Steyn (Sharks)
11. Bryan Habana (Stormers)
10. Johan Goosen (Cheetahs and new cap)
9. Frans Hougaard (Bulls)
8. Duane Vermeulen (Stormers)
7. Williem Alberts (Sharks)
6. Marcell Coetzee (Sharks)
5. Andries Bekker (Stormers)
4. Eben Etzebeth (Stormers)
3. Jannie du Plessis (Sharks)
2. Bismark Du Plessis (Sharks)
1. Tendai “Beast “Mtawarira (Sharks)
Bench
Coenrad Oosthuizen (Cheetahs)
Adrian Strauss (Cheetahs)
Juandre Kruger (Bulls)
Siya Kolisi (Stormers)
Ryan Kankowski (Sharks)
Ruan Pienaar (Ulster)
Gio Aplon (Stormers)
Juan De Jong (Stormers)
July 24th 2012 @ 11:56am
Red Kev said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:56am | Report comment
I like your team Suzy, but you have 23 players there, ditch Kankowski.
July 24th 2012 @ 11:59am
Suzy Poison said | July 24th 2012 @ 11:59am | Report comment
Oops my maths was never that good. Agree ditch Kankowski.
July 24th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Riccardo said | July 24th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
This is a great team and the way forward under Meyer as he continues to grow and move ever so slightly away from the Bulls game he knows and which has been his refuge for the 1st assignment of his tenure.
July 24th 2012 @ 1:48pm
jeznez said | July 24th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Good side Suzy.
Nice article Biltong.
July 24th 2012 @ 12:44pm
AussieKiwi said | July 24th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Yup, SA lineup is looking formidable, even when reduced to 22 players (nice try Suzy!) Looking forward to some titanic clashes in the four nations.
July 24th 2012 @ 2:29pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Suzy that is basically my “hope he will select them” team with the exception of Schalk Burger.
The problem with the last test when Frans Steyn and Willem Alberts being missing showed again just like the Bulls on the weekend, the game plan with Norne Steyn is only effective if they can dominate the breakdown.
That is why we need sorely to find a new pivot.
July 24th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Suzy Poison said | July 24th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
Word on the street is, Schalk’s injury is far more serious than previously thought. Every time he tries to train, he gets swelling and inflammation. I doubt we will see him, play in this year’s Rugby Championship, but I hope he proves me wrong. It could be worse than that, we might never see “The Incredible Schalk” play again, and that would be a tragedy. One of real servants of South African rugby, who always puts his body on the line. The guy plays with two of his vertebrae fused together.
Not 100% sure when Coenie returns either, he could be out of RC.
Everyone is waiting for news on when Goosen returns to training. I have heard it is in August, which will mean, he should play against Australia in Perth on September 8th.
July 24th 2012 @ 4:25pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 4:25pm | Report comment
Yes, Suzie, I read Schalk is unlikely to play, from what I have heard Coenie is out for the year.
July 24th 2012 @ 3:09pm
Gerrard said | July 24th 2012 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
Where the heck were you when they chose PDivvy, Suzy for next coach!!
July 24th 2012 @ 6:59pm
Student said | July 24th 2012 @ 6:59pm | Report comment
Encouraging in my mind is: this team selected by SP is a no-brainer. Everyone knows who are the best players in position in the Republic. Disagreement is usually over a player or two here and there.
My disagreement is Andries Bekker. For my money he spends way too much time on the wing and not enough time getting stuck in. Also, not a fan of his attitude towards team mates when a lineout goes awry. And not convinced he has the tactical nous to call lineouts in the first place. Has a tendency to call on himself even when double marked. Glory boy in my opinion.
I would stick Juandre Kruger into start and perhaps Steven Sykes on the bench (a bit of an iffy call on Sykes…). I think Juandre has shown enough to warrant a run in the starting lineup. And he seems to combine well with Eben Etzebeth, despite not combining on a franchise level.
Love the Lambie at 15 call. There seems to be a general idea that Lambie’s best position is at 10. From watching his games at the Sharks (admittedly with the incredibly slow service of Charl Mcleod) he just does not seem to have the time that Michalak (also receiving two-steps-then-pass service from Mcleod) or Jantjies (Lions) have on the ball. The backline seems to stagnate when he’s at 10. From 15, he has plenty of time to scope out where the soft points are and join the line decisively. His positional play is usually exceptional, cutting down opponents’ kick option and usually shutting down line breaks as they happen. He’s not a dominant tackler, generally, but has stopping power that ties up attackers until the big men get there (and usually, opponents are smart enough to go down before Alberts and co. show up).
All in all, this RC is going to be a cracker. All Blacks look strong, SA have a vigour about them under the new coach and there’s the addition of a new contender. If Deans can settle on an Aussie backline (i.e. run out the same team in the same positions in consecutive games) I think the any of the former trination teams could take it this year.
July 24th 2012 @ 7:16pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 7:16pm | Report comment
Student good points about Juandre and Lambie.
With Goosen not available yet either Lambie or Grant will be a better option than Steyn. The problem for me is Lambie has not had an extended run at 10 for some time now, his injuries didn’t help either this season, so Plumtree has gone for the settled combination of Mcleod and Michalack. However in the beginning of the Super XV season, Lambie had some credible stats on attack.
I do agree however once Goosen is available that Lambie will be the best option at fifteen.
Juandre is good, and I take on board what you are saying about Andries Bekker, but to me when on form he is simply the best lock in SA.
July 25th 2012 @ 2:22pm
Suzy Poison said | July 25th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
Student
We both agree Lambie is a better 15, than 10. It’s obvious, the Sharks have gotten better once Michalak has been playing ten. Secondly I think you make a very good point about Andries Bekker. I think Nick Mallet called it, he said Bekker was not the next Victor Matfield. He said it would not be easy to replace Victor and he was correct. You are correct too, Juandre has done a pretty good job, for a rookie. Only a coach or ex-coach would be able to see that kind of finer rugby lineout specific detail. You are not Nick Mallet, are you? He he.
Also agree with what you have said to Biltong. I would start Grant against Argentina, with Jantjies on the bench, and bring in Goosen in the initial training group and introduce him very slowly. That makes sense. I guess Flyhalf is a real contentious position, it’s the real Achilles heal for the Boks right now. The selection of the player with the number 10 on his back, will ultimately decide the fate of the Boks this RC. All in all, I like to read your informed opinions, which are not based on any emotional attachment to any particular player, or team. Plus you tend to answer with thought out solutions, instead of most posters, who simply express problems or frustration with players/refs/coaches etc.
July 25th 2012 @ 5:23pm
biltongbek said | July 25th 2012 @ 5:23pm | Report comment
Thanks Suzy.
August 11th 2012 @ 10:42pm
Donovan said | August 11th 2012 @ 10:42pm | Report comment
I think if HM wants to do something good for SA rugby he should try convince a couple of guys overseas to committ to SA rugby as Jake White did. He should also avoid a Nick Mallett’esqe ‘I think I’m clever now’ attitude that leads to picking undeserved bulls (like Malletts inclusion of Bishops boitjies Von Hoesslin and Gaffie Du Toit) And I think he should re-evaluate the purpose of his ‘bench’. For too long we have put good rugby players like Adriaan Strauss on the bench even though they don’t offer anything different to the players they replace. No doubt Strauss would start in my team if Bismark was injured but would a guy like Craig Burden not offer you a different dimension comming on from the bench? That X-Factor we havnt seen since Brent Russell graced the field of play with 20min remaining. Too often our team is severely weakend by the subs we make. If I was HM, everyone in SA rugby was fit and on form, and we where facing the All Blacks tomorrow, my team would look something like this:
1) Wiaan du Preez
2) Bismark
3) Jannie
4) Deysel
5) Bekker
6) Brussow
7) J. Smith
8) Schalk (c)
9) Super-Sarel
10) Goosen
11) Hougaard
12) F.Steyn
13) Petersen
14) WILLIE LE ROUX
15) Lambie
16) Burden
17) Coenie
18) W. Kruger
19) Flip
20) W. Alberts
21) Pienaar
22) Viljoen
For too long Pierre Spies has been mediocre at international level, Morne Steyn is over-rated. Please don’t pick them and FYI Kirshner and Olivier are NOT international quality. In 100 games for the boks I doubt either of them would ever be ‘man of the match’
Its time we start picking guys that can turn a game on its head with individual brilliance, like willie le roux or francois hougaard on wing! I’m sure though, that the ABs would be much happier taking on a Bok team made up of Heyneke Meyers woft squad than my dream team, ohwell!
July 24th 2012 @ 12:42pm
Johnno said | July 24th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
-All coaches pick teams that suit there system. Graham Henry did always picking auckland blues men, deans defiantly has favourites. John knuckles connolly picked a lot of queenslanders. All coaches pick players familiar to them. Martin Johnson defiantly did by always appointing steve borthwick as captain from his home province.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:08pm
Student said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:08pm | Report comment
Also seem to remember Graham Henry persisting with Mils when Dagg was clearly the better choice. However, I think this is a recommendation on Henry’s character: Mils was a great servant of AB rugby and deserved a winners medal. Shows great loyalty from Henry.
July 24th 2012 @ 12:42pm
Sluggy said | July 24th 2012 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
Is it possible Meyer picked a team to execute a specific game plan against England (beating them at their own game, perhaps, or at least nullifying their perceived strengths) and get a first series win under the belt? And having won tests 1 & 2 stuck with it for #3?
Perhaps if he decides something different is needed as things move along, the selections will reflect that, as well as bringing in some new players such as Goosen – without throwing them in the deep end.
July 24th 2012 @ 2:30pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
I really do hope so sluggy.
July 24th 2012 @ 12:47pm
kingplaymaker said | July 24th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Sluggy Meyer has spoken and acted like an arch-reactionary, not the radical that is probably needed.
July 24th 2012 @ 4:52pm
Sluggy said | July 24th 2012 @ 4:52pm | Report comment
If I was appointed coach of a national team the last thing I’d do is announce that I was radically going to change the way the team played, and also make radical and immediate personnel changes… particularly if they are winning a series.
Softly softly, build some rapport first, and then incrementally crank things up, hopefully convincing the senior player group they had input and it is their idea as well. The time to introduce a couple of new players without upsetting everyone is after a loss, or in this case a draw, same goes for changing the basic structure of the team game plan. Or sometimes one of the old favourites is injured and the door opens for his long term successor.
I seem to recall reading somewhere in someone’s auto biography that Bob Dwyer waited until after the Lion’s series loss in ’89 to announce “Right, that didn’t work, now you’re going to do it my way!”. The rest is history.
July 24th 2012 @ 6:00pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 6:00pm | Report comment
Sluggy, the thing is South Africa doesn’t need wholesale changes, they don’t even have to chane their game plan a lot either.
Our problem over the past 4 years have been that we simply refused to look at rugby in any other way than kick and chase and were happy with living off scraps to counter attack and score tries. But then only when we were in a favourable field position.
The Bulls has shown it this season that every time they meet a team capable of matching their physicality in the breakdown, they had no other ideas how to score.
The Springboks showed the same lack in the last test against england.
Now I am not advocating that we change much, keep the strengths you currently have and maintain those standards.
BUT.
Morne steyn has no vision and doesn’t recognise when opportunities to go wide arise. I firmly beleive that you need to earn the right to go wide, but you must have players that recognise the opportunity.
Francois Hougaard is trying too hard to be Fourie du Preez, I don’t know if he is coached to play that manner, but he needs to play his natural game.
Patrick Lambie and Johan Goosen, are running 5/8′s Peter Grant is more in the mould of Morne Steyn but does play creative now and then. Morne Steyn doesn’t at all, he doesn’t provide the opposition defence with any amount of hesitation, and that in modern rugby brings nothing to the table.
My problem with Kirchner is he has talent, but no vision.
So looking at our backline.
Hougaard
Goosen
Frans Steyn
J D Villiers ( to be replaced by Jan Serfontein within the next year)
Bryan Habana
JP Pietersen
Patrick Lambie.
With hougaard playing naturally, Goosen being allowed to use his instinct and not play a regimented game, Frans Steyn with his power and offload capabilities, Habana with good defensive organisation and running ability, JP in the form of his life, and Lambie at the back we would have a backline that boasts a number of players whith vision, an eye for the gap all willing to offload, willing to be the support runner and all of them with a good boot to do the variation kicks, into the gap, grubber through the rush defence etc.
It isn’t just about changing the game plan, it is about variety in attack with players who has the instinctiveness rather than the regimented approach of there is only one way to play the game.
The reality is this, if the status quo remains, we will always only be 2 or 3 in the world, if Meyer is happy with that, then he doesn’t need to change anything.
However I am tired of sucking the hind leg of the All BLacks, we have dangerous players grossly under used, we need to give them a life line, and Morne steyn in my view is and have been the eliment sucking the life out of our potential.
July 24th 2012 @ 7:59pm
Student said | July 24th 2012 @ 7:59pm | Report comment
Quick question: Who does Jan Serfontein play for? haven’t seen him play, but I’ve seen his name touted as a possible replacement for Jean de Villiers. I had Tim Whitehead pencilled in to take over (not my most inspired pencilling. However, Sadie has had limited game time, not sure about JJ Engelbrecht just yet and Ebersohn is a little too small…Whitehead, I feel, is not quite quick enough to play 13 edges Juan de Jongh who doesn’t pass others into space imo).
July 24th 2012 @ 8:08pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:08pm | Report comment
It could be serfontein or Paul jordaan or William small smith.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:09pm
chris said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:09pm | Report comment
Serfontein is at the bulls system, played vodacom cup this season. At nineteen he probably needs another year at super rugby to have schoolboy-bully beat out of him before he is considered for the boks.
Look out for Paul Jordaan at the sharks, seems a good ball carrier and has fantasic speed, might be tad small though.
July 24th 2012 @ 6:26pm
The Werewolf said | July 24th 2012 @ 6:26pm | Report comment
Great article Biltongbek. I would love to see the boks run the ball a bit more than they kick and chase. It worked in 2007 but they’ve not been as succesful with it since.
One thing i was impressed with in June was how deep their forwards came from when they carried which gave them great go forward against an equally big english side. There was that one twenty minute period where they’d have smashed even the all blacks. Can they do that for 80 minutes though. I hope not!
July 24th 2012 @ 8:12pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:12pm | Report comment
Werewolf, the way the forwards came onto the ball at pace rather than a standing pod of three was revitalising and refreshing to see.
I don;t like these pods of three forwards, it is far too predictable and the only course of action for them is to set another rck, you don;t really need three defenders to take them down, just one well executed tackle and all three fall to the floor. The one off runners from deep actuall gives you gainline advantage and front foot ball, I also liked the way that Frans Steyn kept the wings in the game.
We just need more of that.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:43pm
Ben S said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:43pm | Report comment
That was actually quite a small English side, btw.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:54pm
The Werewolf said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:54pm | Report comment
Please stop this. It’s really petty and not at all encouraged. Play the ball people. Same goes for you Ben S. Thanks, Roar Mods.
July 25th 2012 @ 2:15am
Ben S said | July 25th 2012 @ 2:15am | Report comment
Fair enough, mods, just saying that it was a small English side – which it was. Nothing provocative about that surely?
July 24th 2012 @ 7:49pm
Student said | July 24th 2012 @ 7:49pm | Report comment
Great article Biltong! To address some of the points you’ve raised:
I feel that HM’s choice of Morne for the English test made sense because:
- England’s a very competent side, the match was likely to be tight, any points on offer needed to be taken. Morne has a high conversion success percentage from the tee (obviously, this fell apart in the actual series, but HM had no way of knowing this beforehand). Morne also offers the dropgoal option from distance (as does Frans Steyn, but not as accurately, historically).
- Limited time to prepare patterns of play meant using an established pattern of play: the Bulls pattern of play which has proven successful in the past, is simple to coach and which HM is comfortable with. Morne’s kicking is the cornerstone of the Bulls’ gameplan.
- History with the player. Morne has won a lot of matches for HM. Can’t blame the man for picking the player to do the business for him again.
Now that the English series is done and dusted, Morne’s lack of performance warrants a relook at his inclusion in the Bok starting lineup. Part of the problem is: no plan B was cultivated under Peter de Villiers. While it’s a tired discussion to blame PdV for the Bok’s woes, the fact that Heyneke Meyer has few experienced options at 10 is due to the lack of blooding reserve players (And having Earl Rose in the mix…).
Based on Super rugby performance, I believe Peter Grant deserved a look-in over the last 4 years. He has a great conversion percentage, a great defensive record and he runs the ball well. Well, this last point is arguable. He takes the ball flat on attack and gets the ball to his no. 12. Never seen him put in a cut out pass into space though. Also, Grant needs to shoulder some of the blame for the Stormers lack of 4 try bonus points this year. Grant’s 28. He’ll be 31 or so at the next world cup, so he’s young enough to play. I would definitely include him in the RC squad and give him a run against the Argentines.
I’m a little hesitant to play Goosen at 10 just yet. On raw talent alone, the kid deserves to play. However, SA has a history of rushing players in to 10 just to have those players jaded and unusuable (Gaffie du Toit, Meyer Bosman, etc). Admittedly, Frans Steyn and JP Pietersen are proof of the converse. In their favour though, they’re physically huge players and so not susceptible to injury. Goosen on the other hand has already take a serious knock. I think it’s too early to get him in just in. Give him a few more years to add a coupla kilos, temper his talent and get some experience. He’ll perform in 2015.
Same can be said for Jantjies, though, I would play him earlier than Goosen as he has been around longer and seems to be less prone to injury. Also, I think Carlos Spencer’s tutelage has improved Jantjies game immensely.
I would have Jantjies on the bench to Peter Grant starting (assuming Morne is dropped altogether if he continues to misfire…), with Jantjies moving to start and Goosen on the bench (impact player in the last 10-20) in a year or so, with Goosen eventually starting if the promise he has shown in half a season (!!!) is the real deal.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:32pm
chris said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
What I would be looking for in a no.10 for South Africa:
- passing ability
- threat as runner
- good kicking
- competent defence.
The candidates are Steyn, Lambie, Grant, Goosen and Jantjies. I am pretty happy with all these as goal kickers, though Goosen offers something different as he can slot them consistently from 60 at sea-level and even further on the veld.
Steyn does nothing for me, I would score him poorly on all the criteria listed above, including tactical kicking. He offers nothing as a running threat, his passing is slow and, when isolated in defence, a liability.
Grant is better defender than Steyn, also lacks the running and passing skills to unlock the better defences.
I really like Jantjies as a player. I think he has the best passing game of the candidates listed and runs straight, making room for guys on his outside. I will be capped eventually and play some good games, I just think he lacks the physical gifts to command his channel in attack or defence.
Goosen is a freak. Fast, strong, massive boot and an instinct to attack. I think 2012 is little early for him though. So far it doesn’t seem he have learnt to apply his skills to help his team. Take Carter and Larkham as examples, they were/are great playmakers partly because they were/are also a very good strike runners. By mixing passing and running they made space for themselves and the players outside them. I don’t think Goosen has learnt this yet, but 20 he still has ages to get it right.
Lambie is at the moment the most rounded of the players listed here and would be my choice to start in the RC if fit. Concerns about his kicking distance is overblown and only looks poor when compared with the Steyns and Goosen. And before anybody asks , Taute to start at fullback.
July 24th 2012 @ 8:07pm
biltongbek said | July 24th 2012 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
Student, I agree with you why Meyer picked Steyn, however his reasoning is blinkered. Steyn has been in poor kicking form this year, in fact when comparing him to Grant, Grant has had a 95% kicking accuracy compared to Morne with 75%.
I agree meyer’s options were limited firstly due to injuries and also not wanting to lose his first test series.
Athough he made some smart selections in Marcell Coetzee, Juandre Kruger and Etzebeth he made some worrying mistakes as well.
He picked Werner Kruger who has been proven not to be able to scrum at international level.
As a bench option he would pick the one tirck pony Basson above Gio Aplon who is multi skilled and could cover more positions.
In the last test when it was clear Morne Steyn was falling apart, he had Elton Jantjies on the bench and chose not to put him on the field, why was he there then?
If we are talkijg right now, selections for the rugby championship.
1. Beast
2. Bismarck
3. Jannie
4. Etzebeth
5. Bekker
6. Marcell
7. Brussouw
8 . Vermeulen
9, Hougaard
10 Grant
11 Habana
12. Steyn F
13. Jdv
14 Pietersen
15. Lambie
That would be my first choice.
If we are loooking towards November tour. We need Goosen at 10, Jan Serfontein at 13 to see how this team will perfomr with those two youngsters.
July 25th 2012 @ 10:07am
T.C. said | July 25th 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
I have read a lot of what have been said on this forum under this subject and conclude that a lot of sence have been exhibitioned-most of which I agree to.I however do not see Hougaard as the No 1 halfback-at least not yet.A very talented player he is,but he still need some time to properly develop in that posittion of play.It has been some time since there was such a lot of upcoming talent and in form players on hand,regardless the unfortunate injuries to some of our star players.A view in the march up to the 2015 WC must be maintained,as it is doubtfull that a very few number of players currently sure of their places in the Bok team will stil be at their very best.Heyneke Meyer must just refrain from giving in to pressure from outside critics and mass demands,and select only the best players.There were at least two inclusions in the team over the three test series against England that made me fear that he is vunrable to said pressure as meant.I believe the current turn out in the Super 14 championship should have also served as a great eye opener to him.