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Jonathan Kaplan did not cost the Queensland Reds a chance of victory against the Sharks on Saturday night. In the build-up to the match, there had been a fair bit of grumbling about the appointment of the referees.
In fact, so much so that there was an element of self-fulfilling prophecy when the boos started to ring out around Suncorp Stadium.
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Fans on the wrong end of the result are easily persuaded to feel hard done by.
The Sharks are South African, Kaplan is South African.
Therefore, Kaplan officiated in a manner to ensure the South Africans progressed. It is ropey logic.
And supporters being what they are it is certain that if you asked enough questions in the Republic you would uncover Sharks fans who would swear blind that Kaplan has been ruling against them in Currie Cup for years.
Did the whistle-blower make mistakes? Which one doesn’t?
The nature of the question in the lead-up to Liam Gill’s ‘no try’ ruling made it difficult for the TMO to award a try.
Also, there was a lack of clarity in the conversations he had with Sharks captain Keegan Daniel in relation to repeat offences inside the Sharks’ 22.
The disincentive to infringe further might not have been expressed strongly enough in those chats, and most observers would have been surprised that JP Pietersen was allowed to remain on the paddock after he petulantly kicked the ball away with the Reds on attack.
The Sharks could have easily been down to 14 men earlier than they were, but even this wasn’t inconsistent with Kaplan’s recent work.
Against the Highlanders two weeks ago, the Reds actually conceded one more penalty in their own 22 than the Sharks (8 to 7), but Kaplan kept all 15 Queenslanders on the paddock.
And the disputable calls were not one-way traffic against the Reds. Kaplan missed, at least, two forward passes from the Reds, who are the competition leaders in this field.
Will Genia was also permitted to walk around one Sharks defensive scrum and tackle Charl McLeod from an offside position, pressuring him enough to cause the Sharks No.9 to fire a wild pass beyond his own in-goal area.
Kaplan also showed some leniency in an area that has become a blight on the modern game – holding the defensive player at, and beyond, the ruck.
The repeat offender on this occasion was Rob Simmons. (All teams do it but there are some who are more familiar with it than others – I’ll let you come to your own conclusions about their identities.)
Yet you could go through every game of rugby ever played and pick out a litany of similar judgment calls that go one way or another.
And apart from completely draining the joy out of sport, it undermines the concept of merit.
The Sharks deserved to win on Saturday night, unquestionably.
They were 20 points up until Radike Samo’s late try. Would a score to Gill have changed the outcome of the game? Not with the visitors winning every breakdown and disturbing the raw Nick Frisby, with Genia inexplicably stationed at No.10.
In the first 30 minutes they did against the Reds what the Queenslanders did against sides in 2011 – they tore them apart. All the big performers were wearing the black of the visitors, all the big collisions won by players such as Willem Alberts, Ryan Kankowski, Anton Bresler and Marcell Coetzee.
Even when the Reds camped in their 22 in the second half the Sharks’ big men were lining up for the next heavy defensive contact.
They are a well conditioned side.
Even more impressively, the offloads stuck.
Some in the Suncorp Stadium crowd reported that they could barely catch a ball in the warm-up but the handling during the game was quite outstanding, and not what we have come to expect from past South Africa sides. And that neatly sums up where the Reds, and the Australian conference, are at the end of the 2012 season.
While others clearly went away at the end of 2011 to re-examine their game, identify weaknesses and borrow ideas where needed (a number of Genia-style running halfbacks have emerged to brighten some NZ sides) only the Brumbies among the Australian outfits have progressed in 2012.
Stand still for a second in this brilliant and unforgiving competition, and you’ll quickly be overtaken.
My Super Rugby team of the season: 15. Andre Taylor (Hurricanes), 14. JP Pietersen (Sharks), 13. Conrad Smith (Hurricanes) 12. Sonny Bill Williams (Chiefs), 11. Julian Savea (Hurricanes), 10. Aaron Cruden (Chiefs), 9. Will Genia (Reds), 8. Kieran Read (Crusaders), 7 Siya Kolisi (Stormers), 6. Marcell Coetzee (Sharks), 5 Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), 4. Eben Etzebeth (Stormers), 3. Owen Franks (Crusaders), 2. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks), 1. Sona Taumalolo (Chiefs)
Paul Cully is a freelance journalist who was born in New Zealand, raised in Northern Ireland, but spent most of his working life in Australia. He is a former Sun-Herald sports editor, rugby tragic, and current Roar and RugbyHeaven contributor.
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July 25th 2012 @ 6:28am
mania said | July 25th 2012 @ 6:28am | Report comment
kaplan is a moderate. sure he didnt have a great game but he’s loads better than the mojority of refs out there.
qld lost because they were the lesser team on the day. to qld supporters show some decorum and lose with some dignity
and nice team PC
July 25th 2012 @ 7:42am
Red Kev said | July 25th 2012 @ 7:42am | Report comment
Expecting Reds supporters to sit there and take it after 12 months of continued abuse and derision from small-minded NZ and SA supporters claiming they didn’t deserve to win in 2011 is a bit much.
The crowd should not have boo-ed Kaplan, certainly. But to expect decorum you have to conduct yourself with decorum and if NZ and SA fans are going to continue to refuse to acknowledge the worthiness of the 2011 Reds team then they should expect to be treated to the worst sort of mob reaction from Queensland fans, it is as simple as that.
July 25th 2012 @ 8:03am
mania said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
arent u generalising redKev? since when have i ever said that reds didnt deserve their super title last year? if you can be bothered looking back you’ll find that i’ve said they deserved it because they won it regardless of any other factors ppl have volunteered.
also another article on roar today is pointing out that the worse vitriol towards qld is coming from other aussies not saffa’s and kiwi’s.
i try to conduct myself with decorum and consider myself respectful to all non-trolls. i think you should narrow down the target audience of your response to people who actually care what happens to qld.
July 25th 2012 @ 8:12am
Red Kev said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Aren’t you generalising mania?
“to qld supporters show some decorum and lose with some dignity”
I wasn’t singling you out either (if you took it that way there’s nothing I can do about that) I was merely offering an opinion as to why Reds fans (another generalisation – shock horror) are being so belligerent.
July 25th 2012 @ 8:17am
mania said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
RK – yes suppose i am, i retract it.
wheres your retraction RK?
July 25th 2012 @ 8:17am
Thurl said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
The 2012 Red’s season is proof of what people were saying about them. Good team in 2011, well coached, well organized and took the opportunities that the draw presented. Did they deserve to win last year? Yes they did, they did after all beat the Crusaders twice; the first being the most telling. Referee mistakes or no ref mistakes that was a gutsy win.
But were they the best team in the comp, I think not. To most people’s mind, if the Reds had to cope with no home advantage and the travel schedule the Crusaders had, they wouldn’t have made the grand Final. I won’t take anything away from them for the 2011 win. It was a smart win delivered through their ability to capitalize on the opportunities that came their way, but you do have to see it in that wider context
Then of course, there’s the heralding of a new dynasty. I guess people love it when things like that come back to bite you
July 25th 2012 @ 8:33am
Red Kev said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Ahh the dynasty nonsense – I’d forgotten that. Fair call, the people on that bandwagon deserve all the hate they’re getting.
July 25th 2012 @ 2:13pm
soapit said | July 25th 2012 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
the best team in 2011, a different and not the best team in 2012. nuff said.
July 25th 2012 @ 8:33am
biltongbek said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Yeah, I know I am new here, but would like to know who these South Africans are.
July 25th 2012 @ 8:42am
Red Kev said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Dear biltongbek and mania,
I am not going to bother drawing up a list of names – I’m not McCarthy. Most regular posters (yourselves included) if you do have a point regarding the Australian conference make it well, but there are regular posters who jsut spew anti-Australian drivel, and many random posters who do the same.
My post was not aimed as anyone specifically, it was a general comment (as I already explained to mania above) as to why Reds fans are being so belligerent.
Sincerely,
Red Kev
July 25th 2012 @ 8:45am
mania said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
rk – fair nuff
i’d like to point tho that this isnt a rare occurence and all races, creeds, supporters are targets of abuse by everyone else
July 25th 2012 @ 4:48pm
Photon said | July 25th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
I’m here, my name is Photon and I’ll say it loud and proud. The only reason the Reds won last year and made a semi this year is cause they are playing out the easiest conference. I think everyone is willinging to acknowledge this now. Damn the Sharks gave them a bit** slap of note
July 25th 2012 @ 11:08am
David said | July 25th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
Well coming from this SA supporter, the Reds fully deserved to win the 2011 tournament in that they were the best side across e tournament.
I didn’t post much last year but I don’t remember many Saffers contending that you didn’t deserve it. Not enough to single us out anyway.
Inasmuch as I say the above I also believe at the best 4 sides in 2012 are in the semis.
Re: bad sportsmanship – be it booing or a captain being ungracious – you are right that one set of bad bevaiviour encourages another. Having said that I reject it as an excuse for bad grace or sportsmanship. Otherwise it’s a spiral that can never, ever end. Teams, captains, franchises and supporters have to try and set an example.
I will be at the Newlands semi is weekend supporting my Sharks (away supporter despite living in Cape Town). The Newlands crowd (well some sections of it) are awful when it comes to booing, the worst in the country. There is an additional pro-NZ dynamic in Cape Town that I won’t go into but it contributes to the issue. It’s not edemic. I have been to schools rugby in Cape Town and you can hear a pin drop when either side kicks for posts (despite there being 10k supporters there)
I do admire that Jean de Villiers has taken a stand on behalf of his team and appealed for them not to boo and be good sports
He is also very gracious in victory and defeat. Quite a captain and he is the enemy on Saturday.
Such stands lead to gradual improvement. Such improvement rubs off on others.
Everyone has to try and take a stand that such actions are never excusable no matter who does what first.
That creed of sportsmanship is one of the many things that dress lot of us to that game.
July 25th 2012 @ 2:17pm
Let the One King Rule said | July 25th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
It’s not just the NZ and SA supporters – it’s pretty much every supporter who isn’t a Reds fan. I’m an Australian expat (now in Canada) who supports the Force and the Wallabies – even I had to have a cynical laugh at the gong show that was last year’s Super championship. A point I’ve brought up numerous times before is that Australian – and South African – teams have won in the past, and never attracted a fraction of the criticism hurled at the Reds. The reason is simple: for most fans, they simply weren’t deserving.
July 25th 2012 @ 10:05pm
Xiedazhou said | July 25th 2012 @ 10:05pm | Report comment
Not deserving? In 2011 the Reds topped the table and won the finals. You can’t get any more deserving than that. I believe that the bitterness and spite directed at the Reds is basically because they had the audacity to win the competition and thus upset what some folks considered to be the “natural order”. The message that these disgruntled and bitter individuals should digest is that no team is “entitled” to win. Teams play what is before them, under the rules of the tournament and the results speak for themselves. The winner of the competition deserves to be respected for their acheivements.
Now that the perceived “natural order” has been restored, as the Reds can’t win this year, its likely that the vitriol directed towards the Reds and their fan base will abate. Of course there will be a period of puerile gloating by those that can’t help themselves……
July 25th 2012 @ 6:34am
Gpr-SA said | July 25th 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
Perhaps Spiro needs to read this article and also go back to his own previous writings about not blaming the ref. good article.
July 25th 2012 @ 6:47am
Justin2 said | July 25th 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
Hopefully Sanzar reads this and drops Kaplan. It clearly shows he had a shocker on the weekend. Decision making and communication were very ordinary.
July 25th 2012 @ 7:26am
mania said | July 25th 2012 @ 7:26am | Report comment
Justin2 – while i agree that kaplan didnt have a stellar game in the weekend usually he has better matches.
imho sanzar/irb needs to get rid of bryce before they even comtemplate retiring out kaplan.
which refs would be better than kaplan?
the few i can think of is markLawrence and craigJoubert, ironically also saffa’s
steveWalsh would be just as good but also prone to human errors
chrisPollock would be NZ’s best but i dont think he’s ready for test rugby
cant think of any from aus.
europe i’d say roland allain’s good
but this isnt a hell of a lot when you find u can count them on one hand
leave kaplan alone. he’s better than most refs
and i’d dare to say that had any other ref (other than bryce) officiated the game the result still would’ve been a win to sharx
July 25th 2012 @ 7:20pm
Carnivean said | July 25th 2012 @ 7:20pm | Report comment
1. Joubert
2. Mark Lawrence (retired from tests)
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Kaplan makes mind-numbing decisions too frequently. Anyone remember the quick throw in that he allowed last year up north? They aren’t sporadic either. 80% of his calls in each game would be great reffing, but the remaining 20% leave you wondering.
Walsh has games where he tries to let it flow and it gets out of hand. When he isn’t doing that, he’s 3 on the list above. 80 of his games will be great reffing, and the remaining 20% leave you wondering.
Both of those 2 leave you wondering if they can control a big game.
Someone here said that Bryce was retiring at the end of the year? I really hope so. I’ve turned off matches that he was reffing, just because of things he does.
July 26th 2012 @ 6:19am
mania said | July 26th 2012 @ 6:19am | Report comment
Carnivean yeah gotta agree with u. walsh can have some great games and others his ego gets in the way, tho will admit less ego explosions since reffing for aus.
i cringe when bryce is incharge of a game because no matter how good one team is its all a lottery as to who is gonna win
but back to my earlier question, how many refs would be better than kaplan? if you get to counting on 2 hands then you did better than i did
July 25th 2012 @ 8:17pm
Banger said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:17pm | Report comment
Just read on another article that they have dropped Goddard, and not Kaplan. Quite bizarre, Bray must not have considered Kaplan’s question to have been correct, and blames the decision on Goddard.
I for one believe it was Kaplan’s question that prevented any chance of a try to be awarded
July 26th 2012 @ 5:44am
David said | July 26th 2012 @ 5:44am | Report comment
If he had asked the try or no try question it still would have been no try.
In fact it would have been a penalty to the sharks because Gill played the ball on the ground.
Kaplan wasn’t wonderful, both ways.
But almost everyone thinks the best side won.
Some posters seem to only single out the ‘bad’ decisions that favored the sharks and not the ‘bad’ decisions that favored the reds
July 26th 2012 @ 9:12pm
Banger said | July 26th 2012 @ 9:12pm | Report comment
I had no real issues with Kaplan’s performance other then this incident. In a situation where there was a stoppage and he had a moment to compose himself and consider his options he still stuffed it up.
In regards to the try, Lyndon Bray has said it should have been given. I can only conclude that Ioane must have been over the try line, and this allowed Gill to play the ball as a result of the different ruck rules in the in goal.
July 25th 2012 @ 7:07am
murph73 said | July 25th 2012 @ 7:07am | Report comment
Utter drivel. The Reds penalties against the Highlanders were nowhere near as blatant or nowhere near as close to the tryline.
What’s your thoughts on Greg Holmes being punched in the face in front of a touch judge, that touch judge reporting it and nothing happening?
How about Bismarck being repeatedly popped and no penalties awarded?
Ridiculous.
July 25th 2012 @ 8:34am
biltongbek said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Have you ever thought about why he popped?
July 25th 2012 @ 8:44am
Red Kev said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Because he was out-scrummed. Must be embarrassing for him against a weak Australian pack.
Considering the Reds/Wallaby scrum gets penalised when that happens why would it matter “why”? No-one ever stops to consider “why” when the Australian scrum is penalised.
July 25th 2012 @ 11:08am
Colin said | July 25th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
You could also argue that Bismark was continually played off the ball, because he is such a threat in the loose. I think Kaplan warned the reds four times about that?
I used to get worked up about referees and perceived injustices myself, but if we’re really honest with ourselves its usually a case of swings and roundabouts – its just a pity referees have some much influence, but I guess its the best we have.
I don’t think professional referees are biased, they just seem to favour the dominant team, but for the sake of peace and perception, we need to go back to neutral referees.
July 25th 2012 @ 12:45pm
Demon Dez said | July 25th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
“A weak Australian pack” Red Kev? Australian has had weak packs for about a decade now. Bismark wasn’t out-scrummed, he was repeatedly played off the ball and the Reds were repeatedly warned about that…
July 25th 2012 @ 1:12pm
Red Kev said | July 25th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
I am not sure how the two of you are relating being popped out of a scrum to being played off the ball at ruck time. This particular section of the thread is about Bismark being repeatedly head out of the scrum. What happens are ruck time has zero relevance.
Nice of you to try and pour on the excuses though.
July 25th 2012 @ 1:37pm
Colin said | July 25th 2012 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
You cited a number of perceived illegalities against the Reds that the ref didn’t pick up on. My point is that the Sharks also had cause for complaint – swings and roundabouts.
July 25th 2012 @ 1:48pm
Red Kev said | July 25th 2012 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
I cited nothing of the sort, I said “Bismark was out-scrummed”.
July 25th 2012 @ 4:00pm
Royce Strauss said | July 25th 2012 @ 4:00pm | Report comment
The Sharks were all over the Reds at the scrum. So much so that the Reds couldn’t even have a solid set piece 5 meters out. One of the reasons why the Sharks could defend their line so easily.
Bismarck is the best Hooker I’ve ever seen play the game.
July 26th 2012 @ 12:41am
biltongbek said | July 26th 2012 @ 12:41am | Report comment
He was outscrummed Royce,…. haven’t you heard?
July 25th 2012 @ 4:02pm
Royce Strauss said | July 25th 2012 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
Maybe Greg Holmes and Rob Simmons shouldn’t be grabbing and holding onto players around the ruck? That is so infuriating. If I were the ref and I caught someone doing it, It’d be in instant yellow card without question. Pathetic. Kaplan warned Simmons yet let him continue to do it for the whole game.
July 26th 2012 @ 6:05am
mania said | July 26th 2012 @ 6:05am | Report comment
royce – u reckon this is a team tactic from the coach? i saw quade doing this a lot since his comeback. its pretty annoying but not the worst cheating that goes one. basically the player being held needs to deal with it with a good hook.
July 26th 2012 @ 6:40am
biltongbek said | July 26th 2012 @ 6:40am | Report comment
I definitely think it is a tactic, obstruction at rucks in an offside position is also one of those deliberate tactics and is becoming common these days.
franks is a likely candidate in every match he plays, probably not the only one,but he is a master at it.
July 26th 2012 @ 6:45am
mania said | July 26th 2012 @ 6:45am | Report comment
biltongbek – which franks? owen or ben?
July 26th 2012 @ 6:53am
Jerry said | July 26th 2012 @ 6:53am | Report comment
Owen – he does it a lot. Ali Williams, Rob Simmons and (previously) John Smit are also masters.
July 26th 2012 @ 6:58am
mania said | July 26th 2012 @ 6:58am | Report comment
nah jerry a true master was seanFitzpatrick
July 26th 2012 @ 7:05am
biltongbek said | July 26th 2012 @ 7:05am | Report comment
Sorry mate, I can never remember which one is which, the one that plays tighthead.
July 26th 2012 @ 11:27am
Jerry said | July 26th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Ha, just to confuse you further biltong, they both play tighthead (at times).
Owen is the younger, better one who plays tighthead exclusively.
Ben is the older, not quite as good* one who plays loosehead mostly but can also play tighthead.
*I blame his unfortunate place of birth.
July 26th 2012 @ 3:27pm
Jutsie said | July 26th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
*Cough* Mccaw *Cough*
July 26th 2012 @ 3:36pm
biltongbek said | July 26th 2012 @ 3:36pm | Report comment
Now you see where my confusion comes from Jerry.
July 26th 2012 @ 3:21pm
Royce Strauss said | July 26th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
Definitely a tactic. When Brussow came back in 2011 and destroyed the Waratahs at their home ground for the Cheetahs to win something like 23-3 the next week they faced the Reds. Brussow before injurying his ribs, was being held back by a reds player in every single ruck – not just the rucks where he was trying to steal the ball. Refs need to look at it more often, driving a player past the ruck as well. The Reds tried this same tactic to Bismarck.
July 25th 2012 @ 8:50am
Brett McKay said | July 25th 2012 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Good one PC, and nice team, too. It would’ve been nice to see some more Aussies in there, but your selection is a pretty decent indication of form throughough Super Rugby. Perhaps, maybe, someone like Henry Speight or Dom Shipperley might have a case, but Savea had a beakout season and JP Pietersen have been quite superb. And Sona Taumalolo is as good a try-sneak anyway!
July 25th 2012 @ 10:59am
Will Sinclair said | July 25th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
Where are all the Waratahs, Brett?
Oh, right.
July 25th 2012 @ 2:17pm
soapit said | July 25th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
pretty much bang on team. genia lucky to be there but perhaps just shaded some of the young nz halves by his reputation.
i think israel dagg might have some competition for the ab 15 jersey. bet he wasnt expecting a genuine challenger to arise so quickly.
July 25th 2012 @ 9:05am
Hoy said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
I must say whenever whatever team I am supporting draws Kaplan as a ref, I know the game is going to be tough to win, unless they absolutley dominate the opposition.
I think this is mainly due to the inconsistencies with his rulings. You just know some small oddity is going to go against you, and you hope it isn’t a crucial one.
Of course this is from my supporting anyway. I am sure there are Sharks fans saying “How did he miss X”?
You are right, the Sharks beat the Reds, not Kaplan. As I said above, they dominated, and rightfully won.
July 25th 2012 @ 9:14am
Red Menace said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Don’t care about Kaplan or any other ref for that matter….I thought this year was one of the best super rugby seasons ever. Enjoyed the Highlanders early on and the Hurricanes later on. Remember that crazy game the Hurricanes and Cheetahs played? That Chiefs prop that kept scoring tries, how good was that? The free flowing entertainment of the Reds Chiefs game….the SA derbies were big hits were the order of the day….loved every minute of it and it still hasn’t finished. Expect these next 3 games to be awesome.
The above team is well chosen!
Way too much negativity on this site at times….lighten up and enjoy the rugby.
BTW, I am a Reds fan and I actually enjoyed those Sharks tries on Saturday….bloody good rugby.
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July 25th 2012 @ 9:59am
AussieKiwi said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Agreed that it has been a truly memorable season so far, what I have loved most is the closeness of the competition. With the possible exception of the Force, there has been no such thing as an easy game and the upsets have been many. Hopefully the best is still to come, although sometimes the finals matches are not conducive to attractive rugby.
July 25th 2012 @ 10:45am
Blue to the Bone said | July 25th 2012 @ 10:45am | Report comment
my boys (Wforce), while i agree having not had a great season, do not deserve to be belittled as much as they are.
Quite alot of their games were won and lost with a 2 point difference…. doesn’t this mean a ‘closeness of the competition’
Red Menace, totally agree, way too much negativitety on this site, but then thats what happens when you give the masses the opportunity to whinge. And dont be mistaken, it comes from all sides (Aus/NZ/SA).
Quite simply the Reds didnt play their best rugby on Saturday night and that is why they lost.
There have been alot of bad ref calls over the whole season, and its been pretty consistent in that aspect, so i don’t think this can be blamed for their loss.
The sharks came out firing and didnt stop the whole game. Being an Aussie supporter, the Aussie conference was pretty weak this season and i don’t think any of them actually deserved to be in the finals (wether they won the conference table or not).
I don’t think the extra international is going to help my Force win, how can we rely on imports to improve the international game?
We need to build at a grassroots level if we are ever going to have a hope in hell of competing in the future.
July 25th 2012 @ 1:03pm
steve.h said | July 25th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
I don’t think its the masses, just a few people with to much time. Yeah it was a really great season and people forget how well the Waratahs played against the Sharks (even though I didn’t enjoy the result). The TV viewership numbers seem to agree with this being the Best season of Super Rugby in years.
Living in Perth now my girlfriend and I are seriously considering getting a Force membership but what does concern me is the Force academy doesn’t seem to be producing any decent young players. The next wave of Force players must come from Perth or at least been developed post High school in Perth but this doesn’t seem to be happening. Are you able to give any insight into this?
July 25th 2012 @ 3:29pm
Blue to the Bone said | July 25th 2012 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
we produce alot of good players, problem is we don’t seem to keep them here in the west.
Case in point: Zac Holmes
He played for Aquinas and was in the WA academy, but Wforce only offered him a development position, which doesn’t really mean anything. Look what he’s produced since moving to the Brumbies.
The Force need to stop looking at internationals and start keeping the players we have here. My personal trainer players for Wests in the WA Comp, he always gets fustrated at how the local players get overlooked for positions in the Force. They always bring the players for over East who haven’t even been here before.
Its the Force board and management that make the wrong decisions and it costs us dearly!
I advise you to get a Force membership, if nothing else then to enjoy the comradery. The Sea of Blue are always enjoying themselves, wether our team win or lose (!) and the players always come by after the games to say hello.
July 25th 2012 @ 7:09pm
matthew said | July 25th 2012 @ 7:09pm | Report comment
The Force have easily the best fans in the Aussie conference.
July 25th 2012 @ 4:01pm
Rusty said | July 25th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
you mate are a legend – great attitude
July 25th 2012 @ 9:23am
Tissot Time said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:23am | Report comment
Like your team Paul. Tough as Teak Siya Kolisi is a player for the future.
July 25th 2012 @ 9:34am
CraigB said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Its not about fair, but the perception of fair. Its not that hard to make ref’s neutral and take it out of the discussion, not that I believe refs deliberately favour one side or another.
Sharks easily too good in the end, but the disallowed Gill try did kill off the slender hopes of the Reds. It was good to see that Bray admitted a mistake in that ruling.
July 26th 2012 @ 11:05pm
David said | July 26th 2012 @ 11:05pm | Report comment
To be honest I dont think its good that Bray got publically involved.
My reason is because its selective.
There are also piecemeal quotes.
Furthermore he does not answer the questions we all ask. i.e. why wasnt Gill playing the ball on the ground.
Or did he even analyse it formally?
Bray also went public the Bulls / Blues game earlier in the season.
But there have been many other issues. The TMO mistakles the previous week in the Crusaders game.
Paddy OBrien used to be equally selective in his public statements
To me I see 2 alternatives. Either
a) The refs report cards and feedback gets published OR
b) It doesnt get published by the Refs boss’are very thorough and enforce the performance management of refs. But its behind the scenes
When Bray says things (or whoever sits in his seat going forward) I will always wonder how compelte the statements are, how thorough his analysis is and why he has chosen that game to comment on.
So when does Bray go public and and when not?
When people shout a lot? Of spo that is really dumb because not only is the squeaky wheel getting the grease but you are encouring squeakiness.
July 25th 2012 @ 9:42am
MR said | July 25th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Grest article, if I was being diplomatic I would say the author has a very different style from Spiro and David’s peices as I rarely accused of being diplomatic,, it is one of the few well written & balanced articles I have seen
July 25th 2012 @ 2:25pm
chachi said | July 25th 2012 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
Agreed – imo Paul Cully is the best rugby journalist currently being published in Australia. Fair and balanced, great knowledge and a terrific turn of phrase. Hope to read much more from him at theroar and fairfax.
July 25th 2012 @ 7:25pm
Carnivean said | July 25th 2012 @ 7:25pm | Report comment
Paul is definitely the best rugby journo around. He’s made me re-think my positions on things many a time.
The other 2 that you mentioned are not interested in analysing in a balanced fashion, they’re interested in generating clicks and interest in the site. Either that, or their knowledge is not at Paul’s level. I think they’d have better success as a site if they found another 2 Paul Cully’s and published them.