Henry’s ‘final word’ on suspected match-fixing in RWC 2007
By Spiro Zavos, 31 Jul 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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All Blacks rugby coach Graham Henry attends a press conference with the Webb Ellis trophy after his team's Rugby World Cup final win over France at Eden Park, Auckland, New Zealand
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Here is what Graham Henry says in his biography, ‘Graham Henry: Final World’, about his suspicions as the All Blacks coach of the refereeing in the Rugby World Cup 2007 quarter-final between France and New Zealand.
After endless studies of the television tape of the match, he reached the following conclusion from the video:
“… would confirm that referee Wayne Barnes and his touch judges, Jonathan Kaplan from South Africa and Tony Spreadbury from England, hadn’t exactly coverted themselves in glory at the Millennium Stadium, that they missed an obvious forward pass when France scored its match-winning try – a pass so forward everyone in the stadium had witnessed it except the referee – and that Barnes had been pretty lenient on France at the breakdowns, probably costing the All Blacks the game.”
The video he watched had three different camera angles and featured statistical breakdowns of lineouts, scrums, penalties, tackle counts, territory and possession. These statistics revealed that the All Blacks had 73 per cent of the territorial advantage, won 166 rucks to 42 and made only 73 tackles compared with 331 (surely the most ever in a Test?) made by France.
From his own analysis of the match, Henry says Barnes missed 40 penalty infringements by France and that if New Zealand had got all the penalties they deserved, the final score would have been 42-3 or 42-6: “The All Blacks didn’t get a penalty for the last 60 minutes of the game and attacked over 70 per cent of that time.”
He had been so ‘stunned’ by the lopsided penalty count that favoured France (he became physically ill watching the video, in fact) that he “briefly contemplated match-fixing as the only logical explanation’ for the All Blacks upset 20-18 loss to France … I have been involved in 140 Test matches and 20 years of coaching at the provincial level or the level above it and years of coaching international rugby and I’ve never been involved in a game that was like this game.”
In the end, he says he asked the NZRU and the IRB “if there was any, any laws or system that they use to look at bizarre games and look at the possibility of sports betting. But apparently they don’t which surprised me.” The IRB refused to have an investigation which Henry says he found to be ‘incomprehensible’.
Asked on television if the officials were cheating or were incompetent, Henry replied: “I guess that’s why you have a system of analysing those things. If you had a system of analysing, maybe you would come to a result and I could answer that question.”
In summary then: the gist of the Henry complaint is that the refereeing decisions did not equate with the way the game was played: that they were so out of line that the possibility of match-fixing was an allegation that needed to be thought about, at least: and that the reasons why the All Blacks were ‘sawn off’ by the refereeing needed to be reviewed to establish an explanation why France suddenly became ‘the most disciplined team in the history of international rugby.’
In my view, the case made out by Henry is a strong one. It should not have been dismissed by the IRB as an inconvenient complaint.
Stephen Jones, a hater of New Zealand (and Australian) rugby, its successes and its methods, was in a typically Basil Fawlty mode in his twittered response: the comments were a “puke-making assault on Wayne Barnes by a bitter Graham Henry.”
Murray Deaker is the talkback host in Auckland of a popular radio and television sports programs. “To bring it out, now,” he says, “after everything that rugby has done for him, I find amazing.”
Wynne Gray is the chief rugby writer for NZ’s biggest newspaper, The New Zealand Herald. For him, the Henry complaint is all about selling his biography: “Rather than dredge up five-year-old bile to help sell this modest read, Henry would have served rugby and himself better if he had used that time to work to simplify the laws and the game’s officiating.”
Paris-based Ian Borthwick is the foremost English-speaking expert on French rugby. He conceded that the match statistics are bizarre but insisted that Henry’s ‘negative feelings’ should have been revealed a long time ago.
Bob Francis was a New Zealand who was on the IRB panel that selected Barnes for the 2007 RWC quarter-final. He told the NZ Radio Sports network that Henry’s claims are “totally unacceptable and I refute them totally.” Barnes, he said, had refereed the All Blacks in their tournament match against Italy and the IRB had received ‘very good feedback’ about his performances from the All Blacks coaches. Barnes is a “man of integrity… he’s a lawyer… and was a form referee and that’s what convinced us to appoint him to the quarter final.”
Francis said in the interview that an independent refereeing panel reviewed the game in Paris the next day and found that there were ‘some issues’ including the “clearly missed forward pass’ and ‘offsides late in the game that should have been penalised.”
I find all of this does not deal properly with the valid points that Henry has made.
I was at Marseilles for the All Blacks-Italy match. One of my clear impressions, which I wrote about at the time, was that the penalty count seemed to run against the All Blacks, despite the fact that they scored over 70 points against their opponents. Wayne Barnes, of course, was the referee.
I also wrote in several articles about the strange atmosphere throughout the tournament which involved (or so it seemed to me) a fierce desire by the northern hemisphere nations to get one of their teams up to win a second Rugby World Cup after England’s triumph in the 2003 RWC.
This desire seemed (to me, at least) to be expressed in toleration of aspects of the tournament that impacted especially on the All Blacks that should not have been tolerated.
As Graham Henry points out, the All Blacks came into the tournament as the red-hot favourites after winning 20 of their last 21 Tests.
It seemed to me that some curious things happened around the All Blacks in RWC 2007.
They were required to play a pool match in Scotland, although they were based in the south of France in Marseilles.
Scotland rubbed in the home advantage by lying to the IRB about their jerseys. They showed the IRB a tournament jersey before the tournament which had lots of black in it. The All Blacks found to their amazement that Scotland was actually playing in a greyish/purplish jersey that was very similar to the gray/black New Zealand away kit.
There was so much confusion on the field (and for the television viewing audience) that the All Blacks were asked by the IRB officials to come out in the second half of the match in their All Blacks jerseys. They couldn’t do this because they did not bring any back-up kit from Marseilles.
The IRB had all the evidence they needed to prosecute Scotland for lying to them (at least one official told me that the matter had been raised) but, in the end, nothing was done. At the very least, Scotland should have had a couple of tournament points deducted from their tally for this gamesmanship which bordered on cheating.
The seeding of the All Blacks virtually ensured, too, that they would play their quarter-final at Cardiff. This made no sense in a RWC tournament that was supposed to be played throughout France.
Before the tournament, too, France announced that they were changing the colour of their jerseys from the historical electric blue (to which they have recently returned, in fact) to a dark blue which was so dark it would certainly clash with the All Blacks colours. Throughout the tournament, the management of the French side refused to allow journalists to refer to ‘the All Blacks’ at their press conferences.
You had the slightly creepy feeling, then, throughout the tournament that there was some sort of push from somewhere to somehow put the All Blacks off their game in the finals.
I watched the Wallabies go down to England in their quarter-final at Marseilles. I got the train from the stadium back into town to my hotel room in the Citadines to watch the France – NZ quarter-final.
Even though the All Blacks started brilliantly (as they had throughout the tournament), they were never able to convert their dominance into a swag of points. The lack of penalty shots at goal had something to do with this.
Several aspects of play, as I noted later in my match report, were perplexing.
For instance:
The All Blacks did a reverse kick-off and forced a ruck. Referee Wayne Barnes immediately penalised Richie McCaw in the first play of the match.
France was getting penalties but not the All Blacks, even though they were the ones making all the play.
Ali Williams ‘scored’ a try which, if allowed, would have opened up the match for the All Blacks. Somehow the TMO ruled against the try.
The forward pass that led to France’s winning try was thrown only metres away from Barnes and Kaplan. How could they miss it when, as Henry says, everyone in the stadium must have seen it?
Luke McAlister was given a yellow card towards the end of the match for an offence that hardly rated a penalty.
Of course, the All Black tactics of bashing away on the French goal-line, instead of setting up an easy field goal, did not make sense. But the justification for the tactics may have been that the All Blacks expected that Barnes would give them at least one penalty while they tried to score tries.
Grant Fox, in his commentary, and he is unusually fair, could not help blurting out about the many French infringements.
None of this is evidence of a conspiracy, of course. I don’t believe for a moment that Barnes, Kaplan or Spreadbury were anything other than incompetent on the day.
But Henry’s main point must be taken on board by the IRB. There needs to be immmediate formalised inquiries into bizarre results and happenings throughout a RWC tournament. And penalties should be inflicted. This is a matter of urgency.
There has been a lot going on below the surface at most of the RWC tournaments that needs to be dragged out of the mud and cleaned up.
In RWC 1995, the bookmakers made a fortune when the favourites NZ lost to South Africa. In my book ‘Winters of Revenge’ (Viking Penguin 1997) I document very fully just how the bookmakers’ sting against the All Blacks was worked out.
In RWC 1999, Paddy O’Brien revealed in his book ‘Whistle While You Work’ that a fellow assistant referee for the final between France and Australia, the English referee Ed Morison, had hugged the French coach John-Claude Skrela in the dressing room before the game and told him : ‘You’ve got to do it for the northern hemisphere.’ (‘Watching The Rugby World Cup’ Awa Press 2011)
Australia were the leading southern hemisphere team in RWC 1999. Wales refused to close the roof of the Millennium Stadium, despite the fact that it was raining for their quarter-final match with the Wallabies. Also, the President of the IRB, the late Vernon Pugh, during this match tried to get the Wallabies booted out of the tournament on a trumped up charge, a subterfuge that was defeated by an alert John O’Neill (this deplorable incident is described in ‘Watching The Rugby World Cup’ Awa Press, 2011.
In RWC 2003, Greg Growden revealed that the IRB were considering investigating a referee for suspicious refereeing decisions. The investigation was never carried out.
In RWC 2011, the chairman of the Welsh Rugby Union was also the chairman of the tournament’s panel that selected referees for each match, an unacceptable conflict of interest in the view of the Samoan Rugby Union.
England cheated repeatedly in the pool rounds of RWC 2011 by having its officials smuggle a ball to Jonny Wilkinson to kick at goal with that he’d practised with, instead of the actual match ball. A couple of officials were grounded. But England, like Scotland, did not have tournament points deducted for this cheating.
None of these matters have been properly investigated by the IRB. The gamesmanship or cheating has invariably been done by northern hemisphere unions. The lack of action by the IRB leadership (which is dominated by northern hemisphere officials) is alarming.
If Henry’s book, with its sensational claims, acts as a catalyst for the IRB to examine what has happened in the past and put in place systems that promote fairness at all levels of the game, then he has done a great service to the game he has honoured with his coaching career.
It’s time for the IRB to pick up the ball and run on the issues he has raised.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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July 31st 2012 @ 1:31am
What a lot of rot said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:31am | Report comment
That says more about Graham Henry than it does anything else. Sure he has to sell a book, but he comes across as more bitter (if that’s possible) than he did before.
I haven’t read the book, and will wait until it is correctly put in the fiction category of bookstores. Until then, I’d love to know Graham’s thoughts on the refereeing in the last World Cup Final.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:58am
Riccardo said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Yawnl.
The two are not even remotely similar and this has been addressed by Jerry and others on many threads.
Troll…
July 31st 2012 @ 11:26am
SkinnyKid said | July 31st 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
BS mate.
The 2011 world cup, the last 15 minutes in particular were poorly refereed. To say its troll to bring it up when G Herny is having whinge about 2007 is pathetic.
July 31st 2012 @ 11:33am
mania said | July 31st 2012 @ 11:33am | Report comment
skinnyKid – GH isnt whinging or wanting it changed. he’s over it and so are kiwi’s. henry’s sharing his thoughts in his bio. no kiwi expects anything to come of this. its over and in the past.
but also, in the same breath, kiwi’s want to discuss it and bring it out in the open and see what ideas and views of that game come up.
July 31st 2012 @ 11:44am
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 11:44am | Report comment
If he was over it he wouldn’t have brought it up.
Why arent Fuimaono-Sapolu’s and PDV rants about refs and the injustices of the IRB accepted by kiwi or any other group of supporters in the same manner?
Fuimaono-Sapolu especially has as much proof as spiro has detailed to suggest Samoa was targeted in the last WC.
July 31st 2012 @ 11:54am
mania said | July 31st 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
jutsie – its in his book. its a pivotal chapter of his life that a lot of kiwi’s are interested in. thats why it was brought up.
since when have Fuimaono-Sapolu’s been dismissed as rants? albeit he was a bit melodrammatic in the way he described it as akin to the holocaust but other than that he was accurate. as a samoan i dismissed it not because i didnt believe in it but because i did and knew he’d be fighting an uphill battle because samoa is regarded as the poor b4stard cousin that are getting uppity and screwed over.
which kiwi’s dont accept other injustices of the IRB? when alesaniTuilagi was fined $10k euro’s NZ ran sausage sizzles and fund raisers to pay for it.
July 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Mania, I agree that samoa are not given a fair go by the IRB but the twitter posts were over the top and didnt do the plight of the samoan team any justice. I just think using the term “match fixing” is also way over the top.
It immediately makes the mind wander to thoughts of bribery, shady bookies etc.
If henry didnt have actual evidence (witness sightings, insider evidence, etc) that the IRB or a bookie or even the french team had pressured/bribed the refs to favour the french I think he shouldve just focussed on the poor performance by barnes and co.
Its fair enough as an respected ex national coach to bring to light the injustices of the IRB processes, we can all agree that a select few countries have way too much power in the decision making of the board, but do so through the correct channels and in a professional and rational manner.
July 31st 2012 @ 12:12pm
mania said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
jutsie – henry “entertained that idea briefly” then dismissed it. yes its bringing the game into disrepute needlessly and with no previous precedent, but does that mean that there shouldnt be a process if this happens again? or do we just take the refs word for it that they were fair and impartial? can u blame henry for thinking htat in the heat of the moment? he’d be lying if he and every other AB’s supporter didnt at least commit one neuron to that idea.
just because you cant prove it doesnt mean it didnt happen. and this isnt an accusation or allegation, its henry explaining what he went thru at the time.
look kiwi’s dont want this decision over turned. we just want it discussed and hopefully to understand what happened.
henry tried to go thru the right channels and was told to drop it. like i said this isnt about getting justice or vengence this is about trying to find out what happened.
July 31st 2012 @ 12:18pm
Ryan said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Ah Jutsie have you actually been following anything of what Henry has stated?
He has openly said that he asked the IRB and NZRU re the laws surrounding investigations of strange match results and he also pressed the NZRU to ask the IRB to launch and official investigation.
Graham Henry went through the official channels but was fobbed off by the old boys club.
Get off your high horse and try and look at it rationally.
July 31st 2012 @ 12:48pm
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
Fair enough mania, but I think he couldve discussed and brought the issues to light for further discussion without using such strong terms and possibly tarnishing barnes reputation.
Ryan mate I said it b4 and I’ll say it again “oh the irony”
July 31st 2012 @ 12:51pm
mania said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
jutsie – but at least this way he doesnt have to ask for IRB’s permission. how else should he have done it when he’d already explored the avenue available and was told to drop it
July 31st 2012 @ 1:23pm
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Tough question mania, I dunno maybe he could’ve said something along the lines “After studying the tapes I had some issues with a number of key non-decisions and the refereeing performance in general, I brought this to the attention of the NZRU in the hope that they and the IRB would investigate further” “however I was told to let it go”
We would still discuss the poor refereeing standards in general and the non-action of the IRB without corruption and match fixing accusations being thrown into it.
I understand that henry isnt out and out accusing barnes and co of match fixing just saying he considered it, but by bringing it into the public domain it allows the crazier sort of supporters to take the ball and run with it.
And I feel for barnes, he may be an average ref but he doesnt deserve his character to be tarnished with this sorts of accusations.
July 31st 2012 @ 12:14pm
nick said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
you really can’t see the difference between the last 60 mins of a match and the last 15?
Henry isn’t having a whinge. He’s written an autobiography that has a section about the most pivotal point in his career to that time. He’s expressing what are overwhelming doubts about that performance from Barnes but continue to chip away at the man and ignore the issues he’s raised.
Thats obviously the best thing for the game isn’t it
July 31st 2012 @ 3:01pm
SkinnyKid said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:01pm | Report comment
Yes. Totally agree.
But Ricardo is suggesting that GH can bring up the 2007 issue and nobody can question the irony given the 2011 final. Each were equally as poorly officiated in the favour of the winning team.
I actually agree with GH about the 2007 game. But just confused about the arrogance of some of our Kiwi brothers who cant see the same questions can be asked about the 2011 final they won.
We could all hang onto what ever facts or suggestions we want…15 minutes V 60 minutes, 4 years of time difference, the colour of the undies worn by Richies Mrs on the day or whatever…. the fact is both are equally as questionable. Like it or not. Deal with it.
July 31st 2012 @ 3:14pm
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
No, Skinnykid they’re not ‘equally as questionable’, that’s the whole point. They’re not even in the same league.
August 1st 2012 @ 8:30pm
nick said | August 1st 2012 @ 8:30pm | Report comment
Yeah, not really a relevant post there.
If you can’t see the massive difference between the 07 and 11 finals you’re beyond help.
July 31st 2012 @ 12:37pm
steve.h said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
So can South Africa claim match fixing in our quarter finals now?
July 31st 2012 @ 12:40pm
mania said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
steve.h – didnt realise afrikans considered themselves thridworld. yes you can, good luck with that and hope you get a result. i’ll tell you now though that its hard work.
can you shed light on the 1995 food poisoning incident?
July 31st 2012 @ 12:57pm
steve.h said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
Who said I’m Afrikaans? The country is very diverse and if the majority of country lives below the poverty line then you are a third world country or the PC term a Developing country.
I was 10 years old in the 1995 world cup but I remember the nation collectively laughing at the poor sportmanship about the whole poisoning incident by the All Blacks and slight amazed at their over zealous believe that they are the be all and end all of Rugby and that could be the only logical reason they lost the Final. The poisoning never happened.
July 31st 2012 @ 3:16pm
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:16pm | Report comment
“The poisoning never happened.”
Er…yes it did. Was it deliberate? Probably not. Did it happen? Course it did.
I was considerably older than 10 and I can recall seeing Jeff Wilson puking on the sideline.
July 31st 2012 @ 3:32pm
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
While im not disputing the accusation of poisoning as I was only 12 at the time, seeing wilson puke on the sidelines is not indisputable evidence. I can think of a number of example of players in different sports having a chunder during the game, because they have pushed themselves to the limit or had a bug.
I can also recall a number of occasions where a number of players from the same team have been hit with the same bug in the buildup to a game. Havent u seen news articles about players being quarantined from the rest of the squad when they have bug or virus?
July 31st 2012 @ 3:53pm
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:53pm | Report comment
Poisoning/Gastro whatever.
It was rumoured during the build up. The players, management and coach have all said the same thing. You could see a player vomiting.
Was it deliberate food poisoning? Does Suzy exist? In my opinion, probably not. But was the majority of the team sick? No question.
July 31st 2012 @ 4:44pm
katzilla said | July 31st 2012 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
The difference is Jutsie that Wilson threw up first before the game started.
Who pushes themselves that hard in the warm ups?
July 31st 2012 @ 4:48pm
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
Like I said Kat I was pretty young at the time (12) so dont remember all the details, I was replying to Jerry’s comment regarding “puking on the sideline” so I didnt know at what period of the game it occured.
Im not dismssing the theory but just saying their could be alternative reasons like a virus in the camp.
TBH my only memory of the game now is it going into extra time and being hugely disappointed that the Boks were gang tackling jonah so I didnt get too see any huge runs or him trampling blokes like in the semi final.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:23pm
steve.h said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:23pm | Report comment
I’m not saying they weren’t ill, I was saying the deliberate poisoning never happened
July 31st 2012 @ 12:55pm
AndyS said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:55pm | Report comment
Absolutely, I have often wondered how SA lost that match with so much possession. I mean, dropping balls cold on the way to the tryline, forward passes under no pressure, so many players retiring immediately afterwards…it reeked to high heaven.
July 31st 2012 @ 1:06pm
steve.h said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
A few more penalties against Pocock for killing the ball on the try line maybe a yellow card would have stopped him infringing so much, but I’m trying to highlight a point…… To be honest I didn’t think there was match fixing in the 2011 Quarters ,the ref who shall not be named was just useless on the day and everyday since. I just find it ridiculous that every time the Kiwis lose a World Cup they blame some external interference as to why they lost. They win the World Cup and are mum on the other incidents that occurred in that tournament.
Graham Henry managed his team poorly in 2007 therefore they lost not because of the referees or some stupid match fixing.
July 31st 2012 @ 1:11pm
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
Every time? Rubbish. There are two WC’s that NZer’s have a problem with/make excuses about. And both were pretty extraordinary incidents.
For the record, I don’t think there was any conspiracy in either event but when an entire team gets sick before the final or there is an unprecedented performance from a ref in a knockout match – yeah, people are gonna mention it. Especially when rugby fans from every other country are calling them chokers every chance they get.
July 31st 2012 @ 1:04pm
Bludger said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
The NZer excuse library:
1995: Apparently the South African house maid at their hotel in Joburg slipped something into their food.
2007: bent ref
July 31st 2012 @ 1:13pm
Ryan said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
So thats two excuses out of seven world cups pretty sh@thouse library you have there
July 31st 2012 @ 1:43am
The Werewolf said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:43am | Report comment
My opinion of Graham Henry has diminished.
Even if he suspected such nonsense he must know that it is just arrogant sour grapes that is affecting his judgement. so to publish this conspiracy theory in a book is slanderous and irresponsible. I mean I also hear the USA never really went to the moon and they also blew up their own WTC. Could you imagine George W Bush stating this in his memoirs like it is fact… actually i could.
Talk about bringing the game into disrepute and talk about taking away a win to the french fair and square. In rugby sometimes the second best side wins. Thats the way it goes and how you deal with that makes you the man you are. Do you take it on the chin or do you cry fowl play?
Perhaps we should be claiming Simmon’s try against Scotland last month should have been awarded and that clearly the game was fixed. Let’s forget that even if a referee was on the take they can’t rig the outcome because players still have to catch balls not miss tackles and not miss kicks.
As for the forward pass, New Zealand and Graham Henry you do realise that you are not the first side to lose a match to a referee mistake don’t you?
utter nonsense.
July 31st 2012 @ 5:46am
Damien said | July 31st 2012 @ 5:46am | Report comment
WW
I’m suprised that you don’t think that Henry at least has a point given that you are really good at analysing and disecting stats.
Even if we can forget the forward pass and sin binning as unlucky calls surely you must think there is something not right if a team that is clearly the dominant attacking team does not recieve a penalty for 60 mintues.
There is no ‘right’ way to air these thoughts in public. And I agree with most that this does sound like sour grapes but I reckon that Henry should be allowed to air his concerns for this game because he does have some compelling stats to back it up.
I’m not saying that Barnes and Co. are on the take but don’t you think that an investigation is at least warranted given the stats ?
This goes for the Oz v SA and the RWC ’11 final as well. If someone back it up with some evidence instead of saying ‘the ref had it in for us’ then this should also apply to these games.
The Oz v SA game seems to be the most contentious one out of the two but SA had 4 kickable penalties that they missed. All they had to do was convert one of them. The AB’s didn’t even get a chance to miss a penalty (not going for a drop goal didn’t help as well )..
July 31st 2012 @ 6:03am
The Werewolf said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:03am | Report comment
I don’t think airing such a complaint in the court of public opinion serves anybody but Graham Henry.
July 31st 2012 @ 6:29am
Thurl said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:29am | Report comment
WW, this is after all about promoting a book. Of course it serves Graham Henry, why is that so wrong? And why isn’t he allow that complaint
July 31st 2012 @ 6:57am
Damien said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:57am | Report comment
I disagree but we’re poles apart in our take of the situation so probably best (for me at least) not to go on anymore about it.
BTW I enjoy your ‘Moneyball’ articles. I can’t add much to the debate in the way of comments but its good reading.
Cheers..
July 31st 2012 @ 6:58am
mania said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:58am | Report comment
ww – so henry went to NZRFU and IRB and aired them and was told to drop it. I and probably alot of the NZ public want to hear what he thinks happened. he’s been tight lipped about it for 5 years abd its time it came out. when was he supposed ti speak out about it or would you prefer that everyone just covered it up and ignored the big whte elephant in the room?
July 31st 2012 @ 8:46am
WQ said | July 31st 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
mania it is no coinsidence that he now no longer works for the NZRU and has aired his thoughts.
Has anybody plugging on about taking so long to publicly mention this thought about the fact that his employer told him to zip it?
July 31st 2012 @ 9:05am
Tissot Time said | July 31st 2012 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Respectfully WQ GH still has a role with NZRFU mentoring coaches
July 31st 2012 @ 9:49am
WQ said | July 31st 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Thank you Tissot Time, I will leave that one alone then.
July 31st 2012 @ 8:43am
WQ said | July 31st 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
No Werewolf, your bias negativity of Graham Henry now has a reason in your mind to legitimise your opinion!
July 31st 2012 @ 1:28pm
Lemmywinks said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
The word is ‘biased’.
July 31st 2012 @ 2:39pm
WQ said | July 31st 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Thanks spell checking Lemmywinks, I appreciate it
July 31st 2012 @ 12:19pm
nick said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
You’re nor really getting it are you WW. Its not surprising but still worth noting.
Its not nonsense to point out one of the worst performances ever by a ref, so bad in fact that questions of fixing should be raised and investigated. Whats wrong with looking into the issue when such an abject performance is put in?
You’re being pejorative when you suggest he should take it on the chin, he never mentioned it during his time as coach and knuckled down and won the next RWC.
Surely thats ‘getting on with it”
Oh and a ref could obviously have a major impact on a result. Everytime he blows his whistle the game turns 180 degrees the other way. That makes him the most powerful man on the pitch.
July 31st 2012 @ 6:55pm
soapit said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:55pm | Report comment
theres a massive difference between a team catching a bug naturally and them going down to food poisoning.
the point with the whole things is not that henry is accusing barnes of fixing which he isnt.
the point is if say for a game some time in the future there is a cause for genuine concern over match fixing the is no mechanism for the irb to investigate.
could perhaps have been put better by henry but thats all hes saying, nothing more.
August 1st 2012 @ 7:04am
soapit said | August 1st 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
ignore that first sentence, was meant for a different reply
July 31st 2012 @ 12:31pm
Jokerman said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Werewolf, it’s not really sour grapes as Heney went on to win the next RWC, end of story. He then choses to write a book, and talks about the past. Simpistic really.
July 31st 2012 @ 2:12pm
Riccardo said | July 31st 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
“My opinion of Graham Henry has diminished.”
I’m sure Sir Graham is aghast you have been bestowed the moniker “Guru” too WW.
Seriously though mate, for a bloke who writes some good statistical analysis it would be interesting to hear your interpretation of the statistics portrayed here as evidence of Henry’s concerns.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:47pm
The Werewolf said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
A similar statistical dominance was evident in the wallabies loss to Scotland last month. They were forced to make 200 odd tackles whereas Australia made half that. Difference is we just cop it on the chin like men.
And yes i’m sure Graham Henry is devastated that my opinion of him is now diminished.
August 1st 2012 @ 5:29am
Thurl said | August 1st 2012 @ 5:29am | Report comment
Is that what the reaction to that loss was called. However, the tackle count is the only similarity. The penalty count was more even and approapriate for the amount of posesson each team had
August 1st 2012 @ 7:58am
Jerry said | August 1st 2012 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Scotland made 141 tackles and missed 3 and were penalised 8 times.
That’s less than half the number of tackles France made and four times as many penalties. So, not that similar after all.
July 31st 2012 @ 2:03am
sportym said | July 31st 2012 @ 2:03am | Report comment
Geez…… this sounds like sour grapes.
Wonder if Henry will ever sit down and analyse how many infringements his Number 7 has gotten away with. The count is very much in his favour….very very much.
That forward pass was nothing compared to the knock on this year in the Brumbies V Bulls game, but hey….. refs make mistakes get over it. The Brumbies did not even mention the incident.
This is a huge over reaction, the IRB needs to do nothing. Rugby is a game that is hugely influenced by the ref, it always has been. in 2007 the ABs had all the possession in the world to run in trys, they failed.
There is no issue here, only the one the press is creating, with Henry being disappointed that his side got a raw deal from a ref for a change.
And what, 2011, the France cheat but almost beating an ABs side at home, while using player power and dumping their coach…. VERY VERY VERY suspicious how this France team made it to the final. IRB should investigate that one….
July 31st 2012 @ 6:32am
Thurl said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:32am | Report comment
In all honesty sportym, I expect Graham henry would be the first person to sit down and analysis the number of infringements his number 7 gets away with. And there would be a fairbit of analysis on how he could get away with a few more.
July 31st 2012 @ 1:29pm
Denby said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Spot on Thurl. It is definately a one sided view from Henry. It is hard to take his opinion seriously if he does not look at the issue as a whole.
July 31st 2012 @ 2:36pm
Riccardo said | July 31st 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
“And there would be a fairbit of analysis on how he could get away with a few more”
Gold
July 31st 2012 @ 3:27pm
SkinnyKid said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
Thurl, I think every coach in world rugby would do figure out ways all their players can get around laws to win an advantage. Just saying.
July 31st 2012 @ 12:36pm
Jokerman said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
Sportym, the unconscious always projects its own negative self onto another. “Sour grapes” . Yes you say it to another, but it’s in you. He was the coach of the best team in the world, World champions…but oh he has sour grapes. Do you get it?
July 31st 2012 @ 2:43am
Johnno said | July 31st 2012 @ 2:43am | Report comment
-In a weird way long term Henry’s opinion may spark massive change at the IRB. Maybe a lessing in disguise about a lot of issues.
-Match fixing, Refereeing standards,video technology and the use of technology and using it well in general.
-And when someone as esteemed as Sir Grahame Henry comes out and talks about some of these issues it gets global attention. This story has made news in all rugby circles around the world in all the major rugby nations. Im sure the IRB leaders are taking notice of this and it won’t just be a storm in a tea cup.
-Grahame Henry to me has opened a pandora’s book of worms for the IRB.
-Will the IRB set up a match fixing committee or department like the ICC cricket have done. Time will tell.
-But rugby unlike say tennis for example, rugby becoz of it’s complex infrignment rules at the breakdown, and also issues regarding fair or unfair offside, rugby is a game unfortunalty that can be well manipulated and fix matches by the ref being easy going at the break down and not enforce off sides properly.
-And when someone as respected and authoritative as Grahame henry comes out like this it has opened a pandora’s book or worms, and probably awful publicity from the IRB that they did not see coming and I think they will have to confront it.
-Hopefully lifting referee standards would be the major goal that is achieved out of Henry’s statements.
-And a match fixing committee similar to the ICC cricket committee on corruption and match fixing. I don’t know if FIFA have anything like match fixing commitee’s either , cricket has been proactive with this issue at the ICC. The IRB should look into this as well something like a match fixing committee.
July 31st 2012 @ 3:00am
katzilla said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:00am | Report comment
Pandora’s book of worms?
Interesting.
I agree though some good may come of it, we’d be naive to think that our officials are totally immune to corruption. Not saying those highlighted were, but I agree that its better to be prepared now then get stung later.
July 31st 2012 @ 3:45am
Droppa said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:45am | Report comment
Wow…no need for gramma check when your about ,me i like spell check, looking up the word “tedious” this minute.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:01am
Riccardo said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:01am | Report comment
“no need for gramma check when your about ,me i like spell check”
Apparently you need both.
Give yourself another uppercut Drongo.
July 31st 2012 @ 9:26am
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Lol at least johnno adds value to the debate with some insightful comments, droppa is just a league troll
July 31st 2012 @ 3:46am
Viscount Crouchback said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:46am | Report comment
A rather silly article.
It is difficult to take Spiro seriously as a sports jounalist when he comes out with such nonsense as this. He does seem to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder about Stephen Jones. Most sensible people regard Jones as a troll – it is really rather pathetic to attempt to out-troll him in the opposite direction.
As for a “creepy” effort to put the All Blacks off their game – I wonder what poor Quade Cooper (abused the length and breadth of New Zealand during the 2011 tournament) would make of such a suggestion!
July 31st 2012 @ 7:04am
mania said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
viscount the cooper incident was different. its wasnt covert ie it was obvious where it all stemmed from, and the most important 2 points, 1) he deserved it and 2) it was fun booing him
July 31st 2012 @ 8:57am
WQ said | July 31st 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Here Here mania
July 31st 2012 @ 3:03pm
Scot Free said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:03pm | Report comment
It was fun booing him? He deserved it?
July 31st 2012 @ 3:32pm
Happy Hooker said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:32pm | Report comment
Do you “get off” much Scot?
July 31st 2012 @ 1:27pm
steve.h said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
July 31st 2012 @ 1:47pm
dog said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
If one self proclaims one self as public enemy no.1, then one must suffer the consequences. Cheap shots don’t help either.
July 31st 2012 @ 2:43pm
SandBox said | July 31st 2012 @ 2:43pm | Report comment
in what way did he deserve it? There is always trash talk between teams. Raising Twilight McCaw to religious status is the real crime. Allowing him to play the poor Dalai Lama who Cooper picks on was pitiful puke tactics by a team and country desperate not to choke once again
After years of NZ bleating about the Saffas in 95, we go to NZ and get spat on, not them. At a RWC? You were meant to be hosts to the world, including your neighbour from across the ditch that you hate. Assaulting and spitting on people for wearing a wallabies jersey is unacceptable behaviour at a RWC. You just used Cooper as an excuse
July 31st 2012 @ 3:11pm
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Diddums.
July 31st 2012 @ 3:43pm
SandBox said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:43pm | Report comment
congrats you just won an ABs pacifier
July 31st 2012 @ 3:55pm
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
I love the idea of these mummy’s boy Wallaby fans dropping their monocles in their gin and tonics as they’re so appalled by the notion of someone BOOING at a rugby match. I mean, my word whatever next?
July 31st 2012 @ 5:35pm
CraigB said | July 31st 2012 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
Removed. Disgraceful.
July 31st 2012 @ 5:37pm
Jutsie said | July 31st 2012 @ 5:37pm | Report comment
Ur giving aussies a bad name
July 31st 2012 @ 6:15pm
SandBox said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:15pm | Report comment
hard to feel sorry for them CB, after their behaviour. Maybe a certain deity was upset at them for elevating McCaw types to a status above human.
July 31st 2012 @ 6:25pm
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:25pm | Report comment
Nice Sandbox – how’s that moral high ground?
July 31st 2012 @ 10:18pm
Sylvester said | July 31st 2012 @ 10:18pm | Report comment
“I remember a time whe I felt bad about all the natural disasters in NZ”
A bit of perspective needed perhaps CraigB. This is sport we’re talking about. Hundreds of people died in a recent NZ natural disaster.
July 31st 2012 @ 10:27pm
biltongbek said | July 31st 2012 @ 10:27pm | Report comment
That’s just distasteful Craig, shame on you.
July 31st 2012 @ 10:31pm
WQ said | July 31st 2012 @ 10:31pm | Report comment
That about sums you up I reckon CraigB
July 31st 2012 @ 5:01pm
Cruise said | July 31st 2012 @ 5:01pm | Report comment
This actually happed on a large scale aye. I call BS. This happens at all sports cups. I asked every Aussie I met are you okay here, because of the media and they all said, every one, that they were loving it and it was great to be in a rugby mad country, compared to Australia. The same was on out national talkback, thay were all asked the same question with the same answer. This was all media hype. Booing happened against Cooper yes, and so deserved. Knee the All Black captain in the head a few weeks out from a WC at what do you expect genius. We kiwi’s are so scared that people don’t like us, it’s a disease. So again I call BS. Maybe a few, but a lot less crap than we have been given by the Aussies when we exited WC’s. Calls of 4 more yreas and chokers were over the top from the Aussies, so cry me a river, and leave the stirring the the journos.
July 31st 2012 @ 9:18pm
SandBox said | July 31st 2012 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
Cruise that knee was a tap, and qualifies in the scope of PDV’s only interesting statement “Why don’t we go to the nearest ballet shop, get some tutus and get a dancing shop going? There will be no eye gouging, no tackling, no nothing, and we will enjoy it.”
Cooper did nothing different to a fast bowler trying to get a batsman to play the man and distract him from his job…and yes Cooper failed at this
Can anyone suspended the laws of nature? Doubt it, but the laws of rugby, that’s a different story. A gangster roll of cash in a brown paper bag and you’ll find out how to suspend those laws in a heart beat xD
August 1st 2012 @ 5:32am
mania said | August 1st 2012 @ 5:32am | Report comment
yeah sandbox but i bet you asked for it. i bet you just couldnt have healthy banter and started shooting your mouth off and disrespecting people. i feel bad about how a few people got treated but you got your just desserts.
August 1st 2012 @ 6:11am
SandBox said | August 1st 2012 @ 6:11am | Report comment
Mania please use an online translator so I can read what you said in English
August 1st 2012 @ 6:27am
mania said | August 1st 2012 @ 6:27am | Report comment
sandbox – i’ll just type slower because u dont read so fast.
August 1st 2012 @ 4:05pm
SandBox said | August 1st 2012 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
please do
August 1st 2012 @ 8:35pm
nick said | August 1st 2012 @ 8:35pm | Report comment
No one got spat on, myth
No one got assaulted.
Myths to justify your chip
July 31st 2012 @ 7:08am
Riccardo said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:08am | Report comment
Is this the same poor Quade who was revelling in the publicity this generated for him?
Is this the same poor Quade who’s football cannot honour the cheques his mouth endlessly writes?
This is your argument?
Really?
July 31st 2012 @ 12:47pm
Jokerman said | July 31st 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Viscount, thank you for the rubbish. Sometimes you need the other extreme to appreciate the other. Spiro is an informed, onto it, Rugby writer, you are not.
Your little spin on Quade cooper is sour grapes. He tried to dick McCaw around and then couldn’t handle the jandel…the consequence, Viscount. I guess it is hard to take it on the chin, and say …”McCaw won the battle, Australia came 3rd, The All Blacks first” They are the facts, but the truth hurts sometimes so you lean to a softer, incorrect ideal…..
August 1st 2012 @ 12:25pm
Jutsie said | August 1st 2012 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
Viscount is not an aussie supporter so not sure how its sour grapes.
August 1st 2012 @ 8:37pm
nick said | August 1st 2012 @ 8:37pm | Report comment
he’s english aint he?
sour comes with the territory
July 31st 2012 @ 4:34am
Cruise said | July 31st 2012 @ 4:34am | Report comment
I am glad he has come out and got this off his chest. No match fixing in Union. Really. The AB’s are prime examples of a team you’d want to fix. Most times overwhelming favourites. Makes sense to me. That game was just plain wierd to watch. There was no way they were ever going to win that won. The shell shocked faces were more of disbelief of what really went on. Most people on here will bag the NZers, but we really don’t care about 07, just want to talk about it. Trust me, 2011 washed it all away. Go watch it again, it’s in full on youtube and have a think. match fixing, probably not, but something was up.
July 31st 2012 @ 6:41am
Jerry said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:41am | Report comment
You wouldn’t fix a match the French were playing in though – too unpredictable. Even with a ref that was totally biased, they might still capitulate and lose by 30.
July 31st 2012 @ 4:43am
trakl said | July 31st 2012 @ 4:43am | Report comment
The extract from the book that Spiro Zavos has quoted doesn’t strike me as “bitter” or “sour” or vengeful – and the fact that his thoughts are only now seeing the light of day – and being met with such high-minded criticism from the usual suspects – suggests that Henry has made a wise decision not to air his opinions nearer the time the events took place.
All he’s done, as I see it, is state publicly what his true thoughts and feelings are… is this not something of which the world of sport is desperately in need?
Why is it not possible anymore to take what someone of Henry’s stature – and otherwise indeed – says at face value?
Disagree with him by all means – but it is far too easy to accuse him of saying things he couldn’t possibly believe for the sake of selling his book.
July 31st 2012 @ 1:50pm
Denby said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
trakl,
Why does the world need to hear Henrys opinion of this game?
If he took this seriously he would have done a little more than put this in a book. He would speak out publicly or lobby the IRB to reform the game and put a review system in place. Maybe setup a website to raise awareness of his conerns, do something that that does not directly contribute to him making money. If he included a count of penalties that were commited by the AB’s and the ref missed in the same game I would be able to take him a little more seriously.
Henry has a allot to offer, I think the world should definately hear about his coaching techniques and talent identification but including this in his book is neither going to fix what happened or force change, all this is going to do is help make him money.
July 31st 2012 @ 2:20pm
Thurl said | July 31st 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
I think a lot of the world would like to read Henry’s oppinion on this game. He has an 8 year history and an 88% winning rate with a team that is often ranked the top team in the world. This game was a pivital moment in his coaching carrer. Believe it or not, given the nature of the game, people are interested in what he has to say about it
Also if you’d read the entire thread you’d see that Henry did lobby the NZRFU and the IRB but no action was taken. But I’ll concede the last point you make….How dare the most successfull rugby coach in the world make money out of a book FFS
July 31st 2012 @ 5:40pm
Denby said | July 31st 2012 @ 5:40pm | Report comment
Thurl,
I read the whole article but I have not read his book.
My point is, he raises this issue in a forum that is completely self serving. If he had raised this publicly in a way that did not benefit him financial it would give his points of suspected corruption allot more credebiltiy.
On one hand you have the NZRU, IRB and the reputation of the officials involved saying it is not fixed on the other hand you have a coach who’s team choked under pressure saying the game could be corrupt but pay me to find out what I think.
Who sounds like the one motivated by money or a self serving interest?
My other point, the world does not need this. The world needs a solution to global warming, it needs to solve world hunger but it certainly does not need a coach who choked pulling out conspiracy theories. It is interesting in a Jerry Springer sort of way.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:11pm
Sidney Flat said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:11pm | Report comment
Publishing 101 Denby……controversay sells books. Henry is no different
July 31st 2012 @ 5:52am
Kane said | July 31st 2012 @ 5:52am | Report comment
I think this is a great article except I’m not sure what Wales refusing to shut the roof has to do with anything? It’s an outdoor sport played in rain hail or shine
July 31st 2012 @ 6:12am
The Werewolf said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:12am | Report comment
umm they close the roof at the millenium stadium for rain and hail Kane.
still the aussies won and even if they didn’t that doesn’t make it a case of match fixing.
July 31st 2012 @ 6:34am
Kane said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:34am | Report comment
That’s what I’m trying to say. The refusal to play the game a certain way even if by refusing to do something still allows them to abide by the rules does not constitute match fixing. This is why I’m wondering why it was mentioned in this article.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:17am
Rugby Fan said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:17am | Report comment
In the Six Nations, the roof isn’t closed for rain or hail. The roof stays open unless both sides agree to close it.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:22am
Kane said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
Thank you
July 31st 2012 @ 10:37am
Happy Hooker said | July 31st 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Now, now. We can’t have inconvenient facts getting in the way of Spiro’s conspiracy theories.
July 31st 2012 @ 6:02am
Kuruki said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:02am | Report comment
Geez some people love to live life with rose tainted goggles on.
All throughout the world in just about every facet of society where money is a big factor there is corruption. It’s people who sit there and let it happen and do nothing about it who annoy me most. Even more so when they sit there doing nothing while criticising someone who is speaking out.
There is some serious question over the IRB and how they operate. England blatantly cheated in the last world cup yet nothing was done about it. Ask the Samoan side what they thought about that.
The IRB refused to launch an investigation because they were to busy booking there next holiday in the south of France off to spend there self served “bonus”
July 31st 2012 @ 1:58pm
Denby said | July 31st 2012 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Kuruki,
Henry has made these allegations in his book. The very book he got paid to write. the very book where he gets paid more for every copy sold. Do not try and paint Henry as some sort of marta. If he tried to raise awareness in a way that did not contribute to his income I would be fully onboard but this is so self serving it is almost corruption. Henry is praying on the NZ publics emotions of this issues to line his pockets.
If he felt so strongly about it, he could have called a press conference at any timewhen he was coach and said something to the public, no waited until people pay him to read his opinion.
I am not saying the IRB does not need to be cleaned up and I am not saying this matched was definately not fixed, but only speaking out when you take money for your opinion is hardly an endorsement of his opinion.
July 31st 2012 @ 7:15pm
Sidney Flat said | July 31st 2012 @ 7:15pm | Report comment
Actually Denby, I disagree. Its a tremendous endorsement of your opinion if people want to pay to hear or read it
July 31st 2012 @ 10:25pm
Sylvester said | July 31st 2012 @ 10:25pm | Report comment
Although I don’t go along with Henry’s conpiracy, why are people quick to dismiss the notion there could be corruption in the game? It’s rife in cricket and until recently, who would have expected spot-fixing in the NRL?
If the IRB aren’t open to the possibility, it can only but encourage potential crooks.
August 1st 2012 @ 4:28pm
Kuruki said | August 1st 2012 @ 4:28pm | Report comment
Denby.
Henry actually approcahed the IRB with his concerns asking if they had a process in place to investigate suspected betting or matchfixing. He raised his concerns behind closed doors like a professional should and he was told basically by everyone to just drop it.
During this period he copped massive personal criticism yet not once did he raise this publicly. People are jumping down his throat now claiming it as sour grapes. Sour grapes would have been to come out publicly immediately afterwards and throw around these allegations (which are backed up massively with facts).
The book Henry has written is about his career and insights into what his life has been like over that entire period. Are you telling me he should have kept this whole situation quiet as not to ruffle a few feathers around the globe? even though he actually raised the issue at the time through the correct avenue?. This may benefit his book release hugely, but to insinuate that the only reason he raised these allegations in his book was to sell more copies is rubbish. Why should he be afraid to write about what he experienced in his career when that is the whole purpose of writing a book in the first place.
The only reason these allegations have been brought to light now is because he has published a book about his career and everything that happened during it.
To think Henry has put on the public face he has during the whole time, feeling what he felt shows he is anything but sour grapes. He honestly believed he was wrong yet he was professional enough to keep his opinion behind closed doors until such time as it was warranted to express them. I would feel absolutely ripped off if i purchased a biography that was edited to the point of being publishable in communist China.
August 1st 2012 @ 4:40pm
Kuruki said | August 1st 2012 @ 4:40pm | Report comment
“He honestly believed he was wronged”
July 31st 2012 @ 6:27am
Thurl said | July 31st 2012 @ 6:27am | Report comment
What a huge over reaction. I’d wager that people (including you WW) that proclaim that their opinion of Henry has diminished because of this actually never had a favourable opinion of him anyway. This is after all just Henry’s memiors and if it didn’t include his thoughts about the 07 semi then it would be a poorer read than what many people say it is already (how they would know that for sure is beyond me, however)
Has he accused Barnes of match fixing?. he hasn’t. He has said that he considered it as apossibility at the time. But of course, those who have always resented his dry and sometimes sarcastic wit will seize the opportunity to ladle negative comments into their responses. Whether there were 40 discrepancies or 16, the fact is, its his book, his opinion, and he’s allowed it – the refereeing of that match was atrocious. To deny that is to live in fairyland.
July 31st 2012 @ 11:14am
Snobby Deans said | July 31st 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
Well said Thurl – this is just a chance for all the Trolls to jump on Graham Henry and have a go at him.
Can you imagine what Stephen Jones and all the other UK scribes would have written if it had been an ENG v FRA Q/F with ENG overwhelming favourites and a Kiwi ref missed forward passes and gave ENG no penalties for 60 minutes? They’d have crucified him.
I love it how, when the ’07 Q/F is raised, Kiwi’s are called whingers, yet on the other hand when we talk about the ’11 RWC final where France played well (some argue better than NZ) and lost, and yet people say the All Blacks were lucky and assisted by the Ref.
I have no doubt that the Northern Hemisphere would use any opportunity they got to make it an uneven playing field (as per some of the points raised by Spiro). They would stop at outright cheating, but all the same it’s their way of confirming that their teams just aren’t at the same level, generally speaking (the occasional upset being the exception).
As a last point, hasn’t Graham Henry recently been appointed to some role within the IRB? Will be interesting to see if he can effect any change from within.