Rugby legends tend to arise in groups
By jeznez, 3 Aug 2012 jeznez is a Roar Guru
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Former international cricket umpire Dickie Bird, with Australian Rugby Union player Michael Lynagh. AP Photo/Stefan Rousseau
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Rugby is a game built upon teamwork. I think one of the greatest demonstrations of this is in players frequently rising to greatness in the trios or pairs of their minor units.
By minor unit I mean the team within the team, within the team.
Front row is one such unit, they exist within a secondary unit of the tight five, itself a subset of the forward pack which itself is a unit within the overall team. Teamwork is required within minor units for successful rugby.
In today’s article, I want to focus on that most granular group and how frequently strong players rise together improving each other as they go.
You can look at the Olo Brown, Sean Fitzpatrick and Craig Dowd front row from the All Blacks, the Tony Daly, Phil Kearns and Ewen McKenzie front row for the Wallabies. These are front rows that stand out long after their retirement.
I’m sure a number of Aussie scrum knockers will criticise me for mentioning that Aussie front row alongside that All Black one, but Australia has not had as strong a front row unit since then.
Those three are absolutely a trio that rose and had success together, capped by the 1991 World Cup win.
I always laugh when I recall Tony Daly being credited with the try in that final because McKenzie had his hands on that ball as they grounded it together.
I think more recently we can actually look at the Reds front row from a couple of years ago. Calling themselves the Tripod, Ben Daley, Saia Fainga’a and Laurie Weeks had quite a bit of success taking tightheads against some much more fancied packs.
They certainly have not been the same players at scrum time since Weeks broke up the band and moved to the Rebels.
A front row is always going to be judged on their scrum work and a trio that know each other well can hit with good timing, control the height of the scrum and work as a unit to counter what the opposition throw at them.
Second rowers often rise in pairs. The most prominent of the modern era have been the Bulls and Springbok duo of Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha. Modern locks tend to be paired with a lighter number four who controls lineouts and a heavier number five who locks the scrum driving in behind the tighthead.
Matfield was a superb lineout exponent and Botha provided the power needed from a five. The Irish pair of Paul O’Connell and Donncha O’Callaghan split the role a little less distinctly but also rose together as a unit.
John Eales formed two really strong partnerships during his career, in the early part he worked well with the more senior Rod McCall and later he partnered very strongly with David Giffin.
In the back row, it can be tough to get outstanding players in all three positions delivering everything that is required. Ball poaching, inside defence and running are all needed to be added to a third lineout option and set piece contribution.
The Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw and Keiran Read trio at the last World Cup were exceptional.
Halfbacks and five eighths are another basic unit and certainly having a great player in one position without a strong player in the other weakens their effectiveness.
In Australia we’ve had some great combinations, with Nick Farr-Jones and Michael Lynagh being one such pair. Will Genia and Quade Cooper have built a fantastic rapport playing together for the Reds and Wallabies.
Probably the most indelibly linked pair in Australia has been George Gregan and Stephen Larkham, who were such a tight nit pair for the Brumbies and Wallabies that they share the naming rights to a stand at Bruce Stadium.
Obviously centres work together and the Tim Horan and Jason Little pairing is one of the best we’ve seen in Australia. In more recent times the South African pair of Jean de Villiers and Jacque Fourie worked really well together and for the All Blacks Ma’a Nonu and Conrad Smith have been brilliant.
Going back in time, the likes of Jeremy Guscott and Will Carling were a strong pairing as were Frank Bunce and Walter Little.
From that group, Tim Horan and Frank Bunce are my favourites. They were stand out players but they were lifted by (and lifted in turn) their centre partners.
When it comes to the outside backs, I struggle to think of a trio who really worked together and were stronger when all three were on the pitch. Hopefully some Roarers who actually like back play can nominate some players in this space.
I think it is interesting that individually limited players can make a great unit, I’m constantly drawn back to the David Wilson, Matt Cockbain and Totai Kefu back row for the Wallabies. As a unit, they were greater than the sum of their parts.
Wilson was an out and out fetcher/breakdown specialist, Cockbain provided the lineout option and tackled anything that moved, Kefu played the classic number eight ball running and linking role.
I cannot look at any of those three and say they were a individually a complete player, but they created a very complete and balanced backrow that brought the Wallabies great success.
I actually think the David Pocock, Scott Higginbotham and Wycliff Palu backrow that the Wallabies are using now has the potential to be similarly complete.
I think Palu’s injuries and Higginbotham improving his judgement of when to play tight and when to play loose are the keys for this group.
I’m not saying that Pocock, Higginbotham and Palu would be the same style as Wilson, Cockbain and Kefu, but I do think they can be similarly complete in performing all the functions needed from a backrow.
The main point I’m trying to highlight in this article is that greats frequently arise together as part of a working unit.
Front rowers need good second rowers, the modern contract exists such that as long as the four and five push, one and three will lift them come lineout time. Centres need halves, backs need forwards.
I’m not sure if forwards need backs but there must be a reason other than maintaining the status quo that we keep them around.
It will be interesting to see which of the mini-battles between units comes off on Saturday. Both the Chiefs and Sharks have quality groups in their front rows, second rows, back rows, halves.
The centres for both teams have been disrupted, but for both of them, their most dangerous players are there.
Will it be one or more of those key groups that swings the match? Or will it be those unsung men, waiting out on the cold, cold wings who have a major say?
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August 3rd 2012 @ 6:14am
Jeff said | August 3rd 2012 @ 6:14am | Report comment
“Will Genia and Quade Cooper have built a fantastic rapport playing together for the Reds and Wallabies.”
For the Reds maybe but the Wallabies ????
August 3rd 2012 @ 8:38am
formeropenside said | August 3rd 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
They have, the problem is the players Deans has selected outside Quade.
August 3rd 2012 @ 8:54am
kingplaymaker said | August 3rd 2012 @ 8:54am | Report comment
fos such as Digby Ioane, JOC, Beale, even wonderful Reds players like Faiingaa and Tapuai when fit.
August 3rd 2012 @ 9:02am
Jutsie said | August 3rd 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
C’mon FOS im big QC fan too but lets face it he has only sporadically performed at test level, to be frank I dont think its who’s been selected outside him that is the issue rather the pack not providing him with good ball and him not having the temperament/maturity to cope with added pressure.
Hopefully he has learnt a bit over the last year.
August 3rd 2012 @ 11:19am
Riccardo said | August 3rd 2012 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Good post Jutsie.
You have left out Quade’s other weakness; his ability to outsmart himself.
But the fact that he And Genia’s partnership has sometimes struggled at Test level relates directly to serviceable ball they get from the lads up front.
Like you I remain unconvinced that they are as good as some of their predecessors at manufacturing something on the back foot although they must surely train for that?
When they’re on song though they are not only successful but look good doing it.
For me though, they have some hard yards to do before they can emulate the greats: Farr-Jones/Lynagh or Gregan/Larkham
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:03pm
Jutsie said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
I think you’ve misunderstood me, Im pretty convinced Genia is up there with the best so our opinions defer there,
But yeah QC has to prove himself by performing on a more consistent basis at test level. But Im hoping with a bit more experience and maturity he can reach the same levels as the guys that preceded him.
We have to remember that farr-jones/lynagh and gregan/larkham were at their best when the played behind a world class pack so they did not have the same pressure applied however when gregan did play behind a poor pack in the latter part of his career his performances diminished.
August 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am
winston said | August 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
To be fair there is amazing potential there for that partnership to develop into what we would call “greatness”
They’ve still got a few years left in them.
August 3rd 2012 @ 6:47am
mania said | August 3rd 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
Olo Brown, Sean Fitzpatrick and Richard Loe was a better more dominant front row.
back 3 greats, lomu/tanaUmaga, jeffWilson and christianCullen
August 3rd 2012 @ 11:43am
redsnut said | August 3rd 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Richard Loe was one of he worst “foulers” I have ever seen.
His worst one was lifting off the ground the leg of his opposite number during a scrum.
He was a disgrace to the game and the ABs, imo
August 3rd 2012 @ 11:54am
mania said | August 3rd 2012 @ 11:54am | Report comment
yeah he was awesome wasnt he? he may have been dirty but he was one fo the strongest props AB’s have ever had.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:04pm
Riccardo said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:04pm | Report comment
I’m sure if you asked Paul Carozza he may have a different idea what Richard Loe’s “worst fouls” was.
Not that I condone that sort of thing…
Richard was one guy you didn’t mess with; immensely strong with a mean streak.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:14pm
mania said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
or matthew cooper
when waikato university did tests on loe they said he was the strongest person they’d ever tested. considering the guy never went to the gym that is saying something. he was a farmer and probably acted as the tractor
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:44pm
Jutsie said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
is cooper the bloke he eye gouged?
August 3rd 2012 @ 1:17pm
Jerry said | August 3rd 2012 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
It was actually Greg Cooper. Matt Cooper was a Waikato team-mate of Loe’s.
August 3rd 2012 @ 1:18pm
Riccardo said | August 3rd 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
None other but it was Greg Cooper…
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:10pm
Johnno said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:10pm | Report comment
John hoppa hopoate would give loe a good run for his money lol, as would some of those springbok props’s in the 1990′s and the french teams of the 80′s and 90′s were notoriously dodgy.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:45pm
jeznez said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
Mania, would you have preferred the old Highlanders frontrow of Meeuws, Oliver and Hoeft? Or probably even better its later incarnation as Hoeft, Oliver and Hayman?
Was thinking after I wrote this that there is another mini-unit in the 3/5 pairing. It has really stood out that Owen Franks hasn’t been as dominant at scrum time since Brad Thorn moved on.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:53pm
mania said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
def meeuws. hoeft was good not great. oliver was awesome but sukd at his primary role of throwing the ball in. fitzy never missed a throw in and that was before lifting, tho to be fair he was throwing to ian jones and robin brooke.
now theres an awesome pairing brooke and jones
August 3rd 2012 @ 2:20pm
jeznez said | August 3rd 2012 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
I was very close to including Brooke and Jones in my second row pair. Very close.
August 3rd 2012 @ 8:03am
Johnno said | August 3rd 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
-Tim Horan and Dan Herbert were also great together. Sean Mcdowell ,sean fitzpatrick, and richard loe were also were dominant front row. Blades, foley, and, harry worked well. As did Ben darwin, Canno, and mat dunning in 2003. Al baxter came in for the final after ben darwin’s career was ended in that semi vs the Ab’s.
August 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am
Jutsie said | August 3rd 2012 @ 9:14am | Report comment
I think it was bill young that partnered darwin. And I dont think they were that technically good, but bill young was an expert at milking penalties before the IRB came down on boring in techniques.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:26pm
Justin2 said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Horan and Little werent bad either.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:50pm
jeznez said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
McDowell was a fantastic prop, Johnno.
Blades and Foley were good scrummagers. I think the less we say about Harry, Darwin, Canno, Dunning and Al as scrummagers the better.
August 3rd 2012 @ 10:26pm
Johnno said | August 3rd 2012 @ 10:26pm | Report comment
jeznez steve Mcdowell was a fantastic prop. Just born to be a prop. Him fitzpatrick and Loe were one of the most fearsome front rows ever mighty tough all of them and good rugby intelligence. I agree jeznez this aussy props and hookers you mention not very confident in the scrummaging at all not a chance. Give me Noriega, or Andrew Blades anyway of the week.
August 3rd 2012 @ 8:18am
Ben S said | August 3rd 2012 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Good article.
Hill-Dallaglio-Back
Johnson-Davidson
Grimes-Murray
Marconnet-Ibanez-De Villiers
Horan-Little
etc
August 3rd 2012 @ 8:34am
Will Sinclair said | August 3rd 2012 @ 8:34am | Report comment
Great piece!
The mention of Frank Bunce and Walter Little alone brought a tear to the eye. What a great pairing they were.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:28pm
Justin2 said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Those Bledisloes in the 90s with Little/Bunce v Horan/Little were outstanding…
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:31pm
Riccardo said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Some of my favourite memories of the game revolved included that formidable pairing. I can still see Michael Brial absolutely losing it and swinging haymakers at Frank who simply stood there, impervious. The man was a dead set warrior and as tough as any back in the history of the game.
Little and Bunce v Horan and Little. There was a true midfield contest.
I have fond memories of those Bledisloe engagements.
August 3rd 2012 @ 8:46am
Johnno said | August 3rd 2012 @ 8:46am | Report comment
Brian O’driscoll and Jamie Roberts were magnetic for the Lions VS the Boks in 09.
August 3rd 2012 @ 8:56am
Johnno said | August 3rd 2012 @ 8:56am | Report comment
I would say Ben Tune and Joe Roff played well together. Even though they were on different wings, they complimented each others game well.
August 3rd 2012 @ 9:13am
Jutsie said | August 3rd 2012 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Jez you weren’t a fan of the blades, harry and kearns/foley front row?
I always thought they went well at scrum time but I was not as well versed in the dark arts when I was a teen.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:48pm
jeznez said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
When they were up against the best packs they subbed Harry out for Rod Moore. Blades, Kearns and Moore used to belt opposition packs around.
I was at the SFS one day where we were cheering every time the Waratahs knocked on. Opposition was the Sharks from memory and the boys were taking tightheads at will. Glorius stuff.
August 3rd 2012 @ 1:05pm
Jutsie said | August 3rd 2012 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
Ahhh so Harry was the prototype for the props we’ve had throughout the 2000′s, looks good in open play but wasn’t good in the actual scrum.
August 3rd 2012 @ 2:21pm
jeznez said | August 3rd 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Correct, Harry was a converted flanker. Had been playing breakaway (I think openside) for Sydney Uni and he asked what he had to do to progress to the next level – was told become a prop.
August 3rd 2012 @ 9:39am
Bigbaz said | August 3rd 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Legends of any sport tend to come in clusters, look at Aussie swimming 2000/08 ,QLD SOO 06/12 ,Aussie cricket in the Warne/McGrath era.There are examples in every sport all over the world.One champion can drag a few good players to his level and then they tend to feed off each other.
August 3rd 2012 @ 9:55am
Johnno said | August 3rd 2012 @ 9:55am | Report comment
GRAND SLAM 1984 was good scrum,. Andy Mcintyre Tommy Lawton Toppo Rodriguez, swepped the UK with a grand slam, maybe the wallabies greatest ever front row, . Plus steve cutler and poideven in the pack too. And Alan Jones as coach. Alan Jones should still be coaching the wallabies he almost got the job in 2008 only beaten by Deans.
August 3rd 2012 @ 12:53pm
jeznez said | August 3rd 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
I’ve really only seen highlight footage of those guys. Certainly Mcintyre, Lawton, Rodriguez were a strong unit. I think it might have been Cutler and Williams in the second row.
I am so glad that we got Deans rather than Jones. Rarely does the second coming of a coach work and Jones had been a long time out of the game.