Meyer and the blue-tinted ‘Bulls’ sunglasses
By biltongbek, 6 Aug 2012 biltongbek is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger
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After the announcement of the Springbok squad for the Rugby Championship on Saturday, it is clear that Heyneke Meyer has not yet removed his blue-tinted glasses.
The Springbok squad is:
Props: Pat Cilliers, Tendai Mtawarira, Jannie du Plessis, Dean Greyling
Hookers: Adriaan Strauss, Bismarck du Plessis, Chiliboy Ralapelle
Locks: Flip van der Merwe, Andries Bekker, Eben Etzebeth, Juandre Kruger
Backrow: Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel, Jacques Potgieter, Pierre Spies, Siya Kolisi
Halfbacks: Ruan Pienaar, Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak
Fly halves: Elton Jantjies, Morne Steyn
Midfield: Jean de Villiers, Francois Steyn, JJ Engelbrecht
Back three: Bryan Habana, Zane Kirchner, Patrick Lambie, Lwazi Mvovo, JP Pietersen.
It seems the only thing Meyer has learnt from the English Test series is that Werner Kruger is not of international standard.
There seems to be an obsession with Meyer to go for the Bulls player when indecisive about the best player in a position.
When you consider players like Steven Kitshoff, Tiaan Strauss, Anton Bresler, Ryan Kankowski, Piet van Zyl, Louis Ludick or Willie le Roux compared to Dean Greyling, Chiliboy Ralapelle, Flip v d Merwe, Pierre Spies, Jano Vermaak or Zane Kirchner, then it is clear his vision is marred by the fading blue colour of a clouding sky.
Consider how poorly the Bulls scrum have performed at times during the Super rugby campaign. Why would you still consider Dean Greyling and Chiliboy Ralapelle?
Flip v d Merwe is solid, but compared to the work rate of Bresler during the season there shouldn’t be any doubt as to who would give you more in defence, scrum or lineout.
Pierre Spies would most likely himself admit that he hasn’t been in top form for some time, sure Kankowski has signed to play in Japan, but so did Fourie du Preez, whom Meyer himself wooed over a candlelit dinner, offering him the captaincy to ensure his return for the English series.
Jano Vermaak has played very little rugby during the Super Rugyb and although an experienced half back is not the future of Springbok rugby, where are the young guns that will lead the Springboks into the future?
Zane Kirchner has shown again this season that as a front foot player he can be effective, but that is where it ends, his gameplay is one dimensional and predictable.
The selections of Heyneke Meyer proves that there is no forward thinking about evolving the Springbok game plan, conservatism will once again trump variety in attack and allowing players to use their natural instincts to break down defenses, it will be structured, methodical and predictable.
The only way Springbok rugby will move forward is by introducing younger players outside of the conservative format the Bulls and Stormers have played during the season. But then when Jean de Villiers, one of the remaining “old guard” was appointed captain, the writing was already on the wall.
Surely an astute rugby man such as Heyneke Meyer must recognise the balanced and effective way the Sharks and Cheetahs have played during the year.
I may be jumping the gun here, but it seems he hasn’t.
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August 6th 2012 @ 8:01am
formeropenside said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Nice to know that other countries suffer from blue-tinted parochialism in selections too.
August 6th 2012 @ 5:34pm
SkinnyKid said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:34pm | Report comment
like
August 6th 2012 @ 8:12am
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
My apologies but I see an error in my article, It isn’t Tiaan Strauss, it is Tiaan Liebenberg.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:17am
mania said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
kankowski should be in this seasons boks. hard done by. next season i wouldnt trust his fitness, but this year having competed in the super finals i’d say he’s ready for the responsibility.
spies, i’ll admit that this is one of the best seasons he’s ever had but its still not good or consistent enough to get a nod ahead of vermuelen and kankowski.
hopefully meyer has a plan. i said before the 1st test that meyer was a dinosaur with bulls influenced gameplan and player list. the bit about being a dinosaur i retract
August 6th 2012 @ 8:30am
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Oh, we are being called Neanderthals on other websites, Dinosaur isn’t that bad.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:36am
mania said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
biltongbek – harsh but they say worse things about my teams.
i really thought that meyer was going to ruin the boks with his old skool vision of selecting bulls players. but i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt based on his 1st 2 tests and the way he’s brought the boks together and instilled pride and energy back into the bok jersey.
look at this way biltongbek. meyer is light years ahead of where you’d be if PDV, Matfield, FDP and smit had stayed on. the 2 teams arent even recogniseable as both being boks.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:48am
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
That’s why I expect more of him.
I understand he is currently between a rock and a hard place, I understand in certain positions he currently has little choice, but it is when you dig deeper and see how he surrounds himself with the familiar rather than looking outside the box, it concerns me, and now going into his second series a pattern is emerging.
I can’t look past the fact that when there are options available he falls to the Bulls players everytime.
I do agree he instilled passion and intensity, there is no doubt about that, but why does he go for the familiar?
There is only one reason I see, same gameplan of 2007 to last year, and the reason for the Bulls players is because they are familiar with that style.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:53am
mania said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
its all right to be predictable at this stage, meyers still finding his feet so i can understand why he’s a bit wary of thinking outside the square. i agree it doesnt look good for the immediate future but its still early in his tenure. hopefully he’ll learn to adapt and think outside the comfort zone as the RC continues.
saying all this tho i’d have to point out that the this years boks are insanely a better team than they boks have been for the past 4-5 years, including 2009 which ended up doing more damage in the long run than good.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:58am
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:58am | Report comment
So in your reasoning he is thinking he will go into the Rugby Championship satisfied if he wins 4/6 games with a predictable gameplan and bring in changes during the November tours?
August 6th 2012 @ 9:06am
mania said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
biltongbek – no i reckon meyer thinks he can win the RC with these players and gameplan.
i’d have to agree with him. i can easily see the boks raining on the AB’s parade if the AB’s dont lift their game to the next level
August 6th 2012 @ 4:06pm
Kuruki said | August 6th 2012 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
I am expecting a Bulls like strategy Morne kicking at every opportunity and relying on a solid foundation and go forward from a big pack. They will back their defense to win them games rather then going out to score tries. That is just my opinion.
If he wanted to go the other way he would have made a few different selections.
August 6th 2012 @ 5:06pm
dcnz said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
biltongbek
mate, is schalk burger injured?
August 6th 2012 @ 5:19pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:19pm | Report comment
Yes he is DC, from what I remember is he just started training again and could be playing by the first of September, but his injury has set him back two or three times already just as they thought he would be available for selection, I doubt we will see him in the rugby championship.
August 6th 2012 @ 7:34pm
Student said | August 6th 2012 @ 7:34pm | Report comment
Heard he was on the comeback trail. Also heard that his body is so wrecked that he should’ve retired years ago. I for one hopes he throws in the towel before the Currie Cup. The man has given enough for team and country. Time to start thinking about his health and life after rugby.
August 7th 2012 @ 6:47am
biltongbek said | August 7th 2012 @ 6:47am | Report comment
Burger now confirmed out for the whole season.
August 7th 2012 @ 6:49am
mania said | August 7th 2012 @ 6:49am | Report comment
oh wow huge blow for the boks but not insurmountable
August 6th 2012 @ 8:04pm
Sircoolalot said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:04pm | Report comment
Mania do your homework.
Meyer wanted to pick Kankowski but his contract with his new Japanese club doesn’t allow it.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:38pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:38pm | Report comment
Sircoolalot, there is actually a bit of controversy surrounding the Kankowski scenario.
Kankowski did sign his 6 month contract with the Japanese club before his call up for the english series, so he didn’t know at the time he stood a chacne of being called up.
I read this morning that according to the IRB the Club can be forced to release him as the Rugby Champiosnship does fall in the test window.
However SARU will have to pay for his insurance and injury benefits for the period and abvioulsy it will cost them money to cover his Japanese salary.
But where the controversy comes in is that Meyer is prepared to do it for Fourie du Preez, but it seems he is using an excuse not to call up Kankowski.
August 6th 2012 @ 11:37pm
Sircoolalot said | August 6th 2012 @ 11:37pm | Report comment
To be fair though Fourie is a proven world class player, while Kankowski has been crap for most of his international career
August 7th 2012 @ 2:14am
Loftus said | August 7th 2012 @ 2:14am | Report comment
Haha, you really want to compare Kankowski’s worth with du Preez’s? If I never again see Kanko in a Springbok jersey, it will be too soon.
August 7th 2012 @ 4:58am
biltongbek said | August 7th 2012 @ 4:58am | Report comment
At this point in time the call up of Fouire du Preez is like a bad omen to me of player power, no imagination and 2009 rugby.
So yes at the moment if you want me to pick, I pick an inform Kankowski over a player who hasn’t performed for more than two years.
And it sin’t only comparing Fourie du Preez with Kankowski, it is the benefit of ousting Spies as well.
August 7th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Sluggy said | August 7th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Insurance and injury benefits, yes, but no to SARU having to pay his Japanese salary
IRB Reg 9.4 –
9.4 Subject to Regulation 9.18 [insurance], no Union, Association, Rugby Body or Club
may require any payment or other benefit from or impose conditions
relating to a Player’s participation in a National Representative Team
and/or attendance at a National Squad session of his Union when such
participation and/or attendance has been requested in accordance with the
provisions of this Regulation 9.
IRB Reg 9.9
Period of International duty for Matches
9.9 In each case of release a Union shall be entitled to exercise its Right to
Release for Matches so that Players are assembled at a location
determined by the Union selecting the Player and available to train at least
five clear days prior to the commencement of the International Match,
International Tour or International Tournament. If an International
Tournament is not played on consecutive weekends then the five clear day
period shall commence five days before each Match in the Tournament.
August 7th 2012 @ 6:39am
mania said | August 7th 2012 @ 6:39am | Report comment
Sircoolalot – what homework? i come here to verify and educate myself bout boks rugby
August 7th 2012 @ 1:56pm
Befokbok said | August 7th 2012 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
ha ha ha ha good response
August 7th 2012 @ 10:30am
steve.h said | August 7th 2012 @ 10:30am | Report comment
Kankowski can’t e considered because he has signed a contract with a Japanesse club and has to report for duty. SARU is busy negotiating with the club because Meyer wants him in the team and has stated that the squad selected above is only for the Argentina leg of the championship.
http://www.rugby365.com/article/48914-meyer-wanted-kankowski
I think Spies’ rein is at a end with Meyer stating the reason for only selecting his squad for the Argentina leg is because the are some form players returning from injury, which could mean that Goosen and Vermulen will be rushed into the squad.
http://www.rugby365.com/article/48897-meyer-these-are-the-best-boks
August 8th 2012 @ 2:32am
Australopithecus Africanus said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:32am | Report comment
Vermeulen not a shoo-in for the squad – slower than Spies and Kankofski and not nearly similar quality lineout option. Plus he will probably merely duplicate what Albers and Coetzee brings
August 14th 2012 @ 5:00am
Ben S said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:00am | Report comment
Yeah, that’s kind of my thinking too. Pretty mystified by the talks of him as the missing link. Obviously Spies is no titan of the game, but Vermeulen playing in a back row with Alberts would be just ever so slightly slow.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:42am
Sluggy said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Steven Kitshoff, Tiaan LLiebenberg, Anton Bresler, Ryan Kankowski, Piet van Zyl, Louis Ludick or Willie le Roux
An impressive list of non selections. Kanko to Japan – How many others will take the money up north?
August 6th 2012 @ 12:37pm
Bobby_JJV said | August 6th 2012 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
biltongbek a quick couple of things. Why has Strauss left the Lions and where is he going? Would you have him in the Bok team? Watching him play in NZ i was very impressed with how tough he was and how he just kept on cranking, will he ever get there in your opinion? Why does he pick heaps of Bulls players when he could select based on form and maybe win more games than if he trusted mainly bulls to do the job? Surely he wants to win every game. What do you think the benefit of this is for him?
August 6th 2012 @ 2:38pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
Bobby from what I understand Strauss has only been dropped as captain, the Lions rugby union is currently cleaning ship, they have gotten rid of Carlo Spencer and Wayne Taylor whilst John Mitchell is still on suspension
August 6th 2012 @ 12:54pm
Sam Taulelei said | August 6th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
One thing I don’t get is the difference in number of players named for the RC squads.
NZ has named 28 and it’s been reported that Hansen can only take 28 players. The Wallabies and Boks have both named 30 players.
Biltong is there still 2 players to be cut from the Boks squad? Meyer has named 3 halfbacks and six loose forwards which may be surplus to requirements.
August 6th 2012 @ 2:30pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
Yes Sam, in fact 4 players are said to be cut for the Argentinian leg? I am not sure why the squad sizes are different though.
August 6th 2012 @ 12:59pm
tubby said | August 6th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
jantjies and steyne really the best 10′s they could muster?
at least one buls player i am glad to see getting a chance is potgieter, he was entertaining in his running this year. Given the size of most of those loose forwards, where does kolisi fit in? he sure tackles like someone much bigger, but will that get him a start?
with that front row I would have thought this the perfect time to give kitschoff some time off the bench
August 6th 2012 @ 5:20pm
Carnivean said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:20pm | Report comment
Goosen is injured, otherwise he’d be there ahead of Jantjies. Lambie is coming back from injury, and not covering himself in glory based on the effort in the final. Grant is 1-dimensional, and had a poor game in the semi. Ebersohn is leaving from Australia. Butch James is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Can’t remember the others.
Morne only got the nod as the incumbent really, as he’s been terrible in the recent times.
August 6th 2012 @ 5:36pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:36pm | Report comment
The good news is Goosen is touted too play his first Currie Cup game on the first weekend in September, apparantly Meyer did say Goosen is definitely in his plans, I am hoping that he brings Goosen into the squad and at least give him some bench time and a few minutes oer game for the last few matches.
Obviously depending how he performs in his first week or two in Currie Cup.
August 6th 2012 @ 5:35pm
SkinnyKid said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
Is it just me or is Chiliboy Ralapelle up there with Saia Fainga’a as massivly over rated hookers?
August 6th 2012 @ 5:38pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:38pm | Report comment
Yep, the guy weighs 92 KG’s or something, that’s wat I weighed as a prop when I played club rugby in the early nineties. Look he is a decent player, but not Bok material.
August 6th 2012 @ 5:43pm
SkinnyKid said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
yep I remember him being touted as the next big thing when he was 20 or so,,,,never seen him play a stand out game.
August 14th 2012 @ 5:02am
Ben S said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:02am | Report comment
I’d always take Strauss as my bench option, but at the beginning of the Super season I was very impressed with Ralepelle.
August 6th 2012 @ 5:47pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 5:47pm | Report comment
Some more news came out this morning.
Meyer said Kankowski might still play, his six month contract in Japan is complicating things, but he agreed Kankowski is playing the best rugby of his life.
Yet again Meyer is still trying too bring Fourie du Preez back into the mix. For goodness sake, let it go, he has had his time and it is time for us to move forward.
If Meyer is trying that hard to bring Fourie du Preez back, it means only one thing, Bulls rugby all over again.
Some of his quotes:
Other players who might also feature later in the competition include Stormers No 8 Duane Vermeulen, who is expected to return to the field after an absence for injury during the early stages of Western Province’s Currie Cup campaign. Coenie Oosthuizen, Johan Goosen and Jaco Taute could feature in the home leg if they prove their fitness in time.
The squad named at the weekend generally reflects Meyer’s determination to continue with the path that he had struck out on at the start of the England series, with the non-selection of inform Charl McLeod a clear indication that Meyer is not going to be brought into the off-load based game that has served the Sharks so well towards the end of the Super Rugby season.
He is set to continue with Hougaard and Morne Steyn as his halfback pairing against Argentina, although there is a good chance that Hougaard might make way for either Ruan Pienaar or Du Preez if he does not show a sharp upward curve in his ability to effectively execute a tactical kicking strategy.
“What’s important, and I saw it again with the Sharks in the Super Rugby final, is that you need a No 9 and a No 10 who can kick tactically and control the game. Morne hasn’t played to the best of his ability and the same for Francois, but that is something to work on. I thought hard about the halfbacks, but you do need some continuity.
“I’ve always believed as a coach that it is your job to improve a player through coaching as it is counter-productive to just pick a different player every week. You need continuity. The players know they have to step up to the plate and that I wasn’t happy with their performances (against England).
August 6th 2012 @ 6:46pm
Kuruki said | August 6th 2012 @ 6:46pm | Report comment
uh oh. Kick kick kick
August 6th 2012 @ 6:54pm
biltongbek said | August 6th 2012 @ 6:54pm | Report comment
tackle, tackle, tackle, miss a tackle, tackle, tackle, miss a tackle, kick, kick, chase, tackle, miss a tackle, kick, chase. etc
August 6th 2012 @ 7:27pm
Student said | August 6th 2012 @ 7:27pm | Report comment
After this weekend’s final, my ideal match day 22 for the Boks would be:
1. Tendai Mtwariwa
2. Bismark du Plessis
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Eben Etzebeth
5. Juandre Kruger
6. Marcel Coetzee
7. Willem Alberts
8. Duane vermeulen
9. Francois Hougaard
10. Elton Jantjies
11. Bryan Habana
12. Francois Steyn
13. JP Pietersen
14. Jean de Villiers (c)
15. Jaco Taute
16. Adriaan Straus
17. Coenie Oosthuizen
18. Anton Bresler
19. Siya Kolisi
20. Ruan Pienaar
21. Patrick Lambie
22. JJ Engelbrecht
I think the pack I’ve put down is the commonly accepted strongest possible forward combination the Boks can field at the moment.
The backline includes some iffy picks and I welcome discussion on these choices. I’ll try some prospective trouble shooting:
9. no justification required i think.
10. Big call. I think MORNE STEYN’s form has been on the slide since 2009 and he really does not warrant inclusion in the Bok match day 22. He was handed a number of lifelines over the last couple of years, time to move on.
Most pundits see JOHAN GOOSEN as the obvious replacement for Morne. I feel that it’s a big call to play Goosen at the highest level of rugby in the world, based on the form (albeit sublime form) of half a season. My other concern (mentioned elsewhere on the The Roar) is that Goosen does not have the size of a Francois Steyn or JP Pietersen. There’s not faulting his heart, but I don’t think, at 19/20 years of age, that his body is ready for the rigours of RC rugby. When fit, Goosen should be included in the Bok squad and be allowed to benefit from the training, build on the success of his half season of Super Rugby and be allowed the time to develop physically and as a player.
Another front runner for the pivot position is PATRICK LAMBIE. Based on the backline play of the Sharks while Lambie was at 10, I feel that the Shark’s backline was very disjointed on attack. To further illustrate this point, the backline was more fluid when in when Meyer Bosman took over and sublime when freddie Michalak ran the show. the fact that Michalak kept Lambie out of the Sharks jumper is an argument against Lambie wearing the Bok 10 jumper.
ELTON JANTJIES has arguably the best passing game for a 10 in SA. Given the cattle named around him in the team above, I think this skill is exactly what is required to name him starting 10. Jantjie’s job would be to thread the big runners outside him into gaps with his accurate passing game, or sleight of hand (as seen done for the lions this season and last season). I expect Jantjies to mix it up with the occassional line-break and offload (again as has been done for the underperforming lions over the last two seasons) or tactical kick.
11. Based on form in the June test series and this season’s super rugby competition, I don’t forsee argument with this choice.
12. Ditto for this choice.
13 and 14. I think swapping JP and JdV officially makes sense. In the June tests, we often saw JdV operating outside his wingers on attack. He started on the wing for the boks and still has what it takes to play there now.
JP destroyed all comers at 13 for the Sharks and was by far and away the best centre of the SA franchises and arguably the best 13 in the entire competition (Conrad Smith being his only peer in this position…which is testatment of his form this season).
15. Another big call. 15 is Lambie’s best position and he should probably get a start here for the Boks. He’s solid on defence and joins the line decisively on attack. But, I’ve never witnessed Lambie counterattack effectively from a deep kick like an Israel Dagg or Kurtley Beale. Also, his kicking out of hand usually only makes 30-40 metres distance up the touchline.
With this in mind, I think Jaco Taute delivers the same options as Lambie on defense joining the line but has more x-factor on the counter-attack and a lot more distance with kicking out of hand. Admittedly, these observations on his ability are based on his form in the Currie cup last year (a bit hypocritical considering my comments on Goosen’s half season).
I include Lambie on the bench for his ability to cover multiple positions. Same for JJ. Rest of the Bench should be self explanatory.