Ross Lyon and Fremantle sowing the seeds of premiership glory
By Cameron Rose, 6 Aug 2012 Cameron Rose is a Roar Expert
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Fremantle have finally ‘clicked’ under Ross Lyon, and if the hard-nosed coach’s stellar record with St. Kilda is anything to go by, the competition had better sit up and take notice.
The similarity between St. Kilda and Fremantle’s respective positions when Lyon took over the reins is too obvious to be ignored.
The Saints under Grant Thomas had finished third in both 2004 and 2005 before an underwhelming 2006. The St Kilda board decided that they needed a more forensic football mind to take the side to the next level.
Ross Lyon was that mind, and his first year, 2007, saw early season on-field upheaval as he tried to implement his famous defensive structures. This led to only four wins from eleven games at the halfway mark, and the inglorious position of 14th on the ladder.
But in round twelve his side travelled to Perth to take on the second-placed West Coast at what had become the much lauded ‘House of Pain’, and recorded a comfortable victory.
This sparked a return of seven wins and a draw in the closing stretch of the season, with their three losses only being by a combined 34 points.
The blueprint had been set, the players had bought in, and a preliminary final in 2008 was followed by famous grand final losses in 2009 and 2010 that could very easily have brought two wins.
Lyon coaches hard, and the combination of that, some unsavoury off-field incidents and accompanying media coverage, and the intangible emotional toll of a playing group playing so well for so long, but without the ultimate success took its toll in 2010, and the Saints faltered.
Meanwhile, Fremantle had gone from 14th in 2009 to sixth in 2010 off the back of a young, developing list, debuting eighteen different players over the two seasons. Included in these were Greg Broughton, Stephen Hill and Nat Fyfe, who were three of Freo’s four best players in their finals win over Hawthorn. The youth was flourishing, exciting times were ahead, and opportunity beckoned.
But like the Saints in 2006, the Dockers of 2011 stumbled. Most felt that it was due to a string of injuries to prime movers Michael Barlow, David Mundy and Aaron Sandilands, and no fault of incumbent coach Mark Harvey.
Whether the Fremantle brains trust felt the same is not known, but what they unquestionably understood was that there was a better coach for their team, and moving with military precision under the cover of darkness, they orchestrated the greatest coaching coup in recent memory.
The appointment of Lyon certainly divided the football public.
Gerard Whateley, the voice of sport for the ABC, and host of AFL360, the most influential football program on television, went on public record calling both club and man “deceitful, duplicitous and distasteful”.
Personally, I applauded the manoeuvre, and appreciated and respected the cut-throat nature of it. Welcome to the world of big business, I say. If you can get the best person to get the best overall result (in this case, a premiership), then do so, and don’t think twice about it.
For those weeping for Mark Harvey, he wasn’t exactly being turfed onto the street with nothing but the clothes on his back. An estimated $500,000 payout was his compensation for what effectively amounts to a bruised ego.
But back to the footy.
In Fremantle’s first match under Ross Lyon, they brutalised the defending premier Geelong early, and held on for a memorable victory in what still stands as the most epic encounter of the year so far.
The Dockers showed a flint-hard commitment to the contest in that victory, and when they can harness that aggression and mindset consistently, they’re going to be extremely tough to handle.
In round four came a drought-breaking victory in Victoria, their first of three so far in 2012.
Lyon knew that in order for his new club to have any credibility in the eyes of the competition, they had to not just win on the road, but do it consistently. They had to transform from terrible travellers to victorious visitors. With five of their eleven wins this season coming away from Subiaco, they’re on their way to doing just that.
After thirteen matches, the customary ‘bedding in’ period for Lyon’s teachings to be absorbed, the Dockers had six wins, but with a percentage only better than the five bottom teams, all of whom more closely resemble TAC Cup or VFL sides.
But just like the Saints over the Eagles in Lyon’s first season there, Fremantle’s annihilation of West Coast on Saturday is going to be looked upon as the turning point in years to come.
It was the Dockers fifth win in a row, and announced them as not just a potential dangerous floater in the finals this year, but a legitimate premiership contender in 2013 and beyond.
They are now ranked second for points conceded, and were able to completely shut down the free-scoring Eagles, who despite their forward-line injury woes were ranked third for points scored entering this round.
Fremantle’s ability to keep the ball trapped in their forward half of the ground had all the hallmarks of St Kilda in 2009, and when they were able to escape the West Coast press, which doesn’t count as the easiest of tasks, they ran with attacking flair and quick movement.
All of a sudden with Barlow and David Mundy find something close to their best, Tendai Mzungu and Stephen Hill providing run and carry, and the return of superstar Nat Fyfe, they’ve got a midfield to win inside and outside, with enough talent to give opposition coaches something to think about.
And then there’s Matthew Pavlich.
Six best and fairest awards and six All-Australian gongs speak to his quality. He’s odds-on to add a seventh of each this year too.
But he’s never played in a grand final, and has only been a part of one meaningful finals campaign in his twelve completed seasons. He’ll be 31 at the start of next year, so time is running out.
The Fremantle behind-the-scenes head-hunters must have factored this in when they aggressively pursued Ross Lyon, and their initiative and cunning may well be rewarded.
Any Fremantle premiership is going to have Matthew Pavlich as its foundation, and therefore must occur in the next three or four years.
Based on Ross Lyon’s history, that timeframe seems just about perfect.
Cameron Rose is a born and bred Melbournian, raised on a regime of AFL, cricket and horse racing. He likes people who agree with him but loves those that don't, for in his mind there is nothing better than a roaring debate. He tweets from @camtherose.
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August 6th 2012 @ 8:03am
D.Large said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
It certainly makes for a good comparison. For mine Freo have more upside from a quality of their playing list perspective then the Saints of 07 as well, so really no excuses.
I also loved the how Freo went about getting Lyon and have no issue with Lyon either, but your call that all Harvey got out of it ‘was a bruised ego’ is a little short-sighted. From that moment on Harvey would never again be a senior coach. I am sure over 2 – 3 years that is more money lost than $500,000 between a head coach and an assistant, never mind the rest of his potential career.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:42am
Cameron Rose said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:42am | Report comment
Your initial point is a good one, they’ve probably got better, younger depth, but perhaps not the very top end quality that the Saints had.
As for your second point, that may be fair, but life doesn’t always work out how we’d like.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:40am
BigAl said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
As a Saints supporter I was truly disapointed when he left – continuing that great St Kilda tradition of champs leaving, to achieve greatness elsewhere…
August 6th 2012 @ 9:04am
Brewski said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:04am | Report comment
From a entertainment perspective, and a non-St Kilda fan, i could not watch them last year, and on friday nights when they were on, and it seemed to be quite a few, i turned it off, it was very, very , very ugly, this year however i have found Saints games highly entertaining, and they have been a bit unlucky in some close ones.
It’s no suprise that a WA Watters boy promotes open, skilled, running football, Lyon did not appear to, has membership and crowds dropped off this year for the Saints, if they have, they may pick them up next year.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:44am
Cameron Rose said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
It’s the age-old debate with Ross Lyon and St Kilda.
Not pretty to watch at times (last year was certainly a struggle), but Saints fans craving the ultimate success weren’t caring when cheering their team in Grand Finals.
The Dockers kicked eight goals in a third quarter blitz on Saturday, and the Freo fans will hope to see more of that, combined with the fierce defence that is Lyon’s forte.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:46am
Ian Whitchurch said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Brewski,
I like watching the Harlem Globetrotters play too, but if I wanted a flag I’d go for less flashy and a much tougher defense.
August 6th 2012 @ 10:14am
Brewski said | August 6th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Ian, big difference between the light hearted entertainment of the GHT and attacking football, which IMO wins a flag more often than not.
And FWIW i do like to watch fast, open, high marking, attcking football, not bogged down rugby flooding maul style games.
Some people don’t care what style as long as their team wins, for me i cant watch if its too ugly, Lyon, last year was beyond my limits.
August 6th 2012 @ 10:44am
Matt F said | August 6th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
The best style of football is the one which wins you the most games. The reason why “attacking football” seems to win flags more often then not is because the side that wins is often the best/most talented side i.e. they can play an attractive style very succesfully.
A side like Geelong has been able to play a very atteactive style of football over the last 5-6 years because they’ve had the talent to do so. Essendon tried to play an attractive and open brand of footy under Knights but didn’t have much success, because they weren’t good enough to use the style.
The defensive brand of football that St Kilda played may have simply been the style that game them the best chance to win games.
August 6th 2012 @ 8:13pm
Brewski said | August 6th 2012 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
Are you seriously suggesting that St Kilda had a shortage of talent, and was forced to play Lyons defensive style game plan because of such.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:02am
Rob said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:02am | Report comment
Like the comments about the way they got Lyon, this is a professional sport, amongst the most professional in the world, sentiment rarely gets much of a hearing within the confines of a club these days.
We’ll learn a lot about Freo for 2012 this week (although the signs are there for the future regardless), personally, I hope they get belted.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:51am
Cameron Rose said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
I can’t really see a belting happening to Freo the way they’re playing, but if McPharlin and Pav get suspended it will be difficult for them to win, and the margin could get out late. The Crows are only just going in the last couple of weeks though.
If Freo are at full strength, they’ll be winning I fancy, and all but ending the Bombers chances to make the eight.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:59am
Poohdini said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
The Poohdini does not care much for what goes on out West.
But did watch the derby on the weekend. Probably one of the best games I’ve seen from Freo.
Like this author I think I may be converted. They knock off Adelaide this week & it put’s their last few weeks into perspective.
Poohdini Out!
August 6th 2012 @ 3:41pm
T said | August 6th 2012 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Yep, you should worry more bout what happens in the east, cos guess what??? In ten years time the AFL will get ticked off with pumping money into your crappy, underperforming clubs (both on field AND off field) that they’ll either force them to move, merge or die.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:03am
Poohdini said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Thanks for that T. But I’m a Collingwood supporter. So I really couldnt give 2 bits about any other side out East, West, North or South! I’m sure the AFL is pumping plenty of money into my crappy underperforming club (both on field AND off field) and I look forward to watching Collingwood relocate to another state, merge & die. PS your welcome.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:20pm
T said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Ahhhh a Collingwood supporter, well there ya go.I can see your toothless grin from here in cyberspace.
Enjoy Swanny’s suspension, hope it derails your season.
You forgot to say Poohdini out!
August 9th 2012 @ 11:36am
Poohdini said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:36am | Report comment
Wow an educated reply to an insult. Shows how much you have on my club.
Hope you’re religious. You’re going to need a higher being to derail our season.
I only say ‘Poohidini Out’ when I’m finished.
Now that I’m finished with you …….
Poohdini Out!
August 9th 2012 @ 3:56pm
T said | August 9th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
Please, please God destroy Collingwood and their bogan supporters. Amen.
Checkmate.
August 6th 2012 @ 10:06am
Paul said | August 6th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Good read, Ross has definatley turned this side around and finals are well a possibility with the form of the teams around them at the moment. 8th spot is theirs for the taking and do not have the hardest of runs coming into the finals.
August 6th 2012 @ 10:14am
Nathan of Perth said | August 6th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Well, us Eagles were glad to be the platform for this Fremantle revelation. Now excuse me whilst I crawl back inside the bottle
August 6th 2012 @ 10:44am
Me too said | August 6th 2012 @ 10:44am | Report comment
It was always going to take a season or two for Lyon to get the team playing his brand consistently. Looks like they have bought in quicker than expected. Perhaps it was more that the saints took longer due to their anger over the loss of their mentor in Grant Thomas.
But I doubt their ability to go all he way – they simply don’t have the talent. Look at St Kildas list when Lyon took over – a top ten as good as any, if not better. it could be argued with a different coach they would have been premiers in that period as those great players were in their peak years under Lyon. They lost two years as he changed their natural game and molded them into a defensive, grinding, dour team. They rarely were beaten and never got thrashed.. But they also (most of 2009 aside) struggled to ever dominate teams on the scoreboard and always left an opening for very good teams.
In fact 2010 it was basically the will of their elite players like Hayes and Goddard that kept them in it. I think the gameplan sucked too much out of them and they had peaked in round 14 2009. They hit round 19 undefeated and by seasons end had lost three. In reality Lyon got them up for one great year. And unfortunately their gameplan failed in the big one, as despite dominating Geelong all day, they again left an opening through a low scoring gameplan. Becoming the first team in history to win the first three quarters, yet still lose.
I remember the Saints being the dominant team with the greater talent when they and Geelong were expected to become a force in 2004. For the first few years they held sway, then sacked their coach for Lyon, while an underperforming Geelong gave theirs one last chance. Look what happened since.
August 6th 2012 @ 10:54am
Cameron Rose said | August 6th 2012 @ 10:54am | Report comment
Some interesting points there Me Too, and the debate is a worthy one.
For mine, St Kilda’s 2009 was up with Essendon in 2000 as the most dominant year i’ve seen. To lose only three games by a total of 19 points was a stellar effort, and they were able to put so much fear into the opposition when they had the ball. Injustice was visited upon Geelong in 2008, when they were the best team but kicked themselves out of a premiership, but they got one back in 2009, because the Saints truly did deserve that one.
That was the year that St Kilda fans will rue forever.
August 7th 2012 @ 1:48am
Tim said | August 7th 2012 @ 1:48am | Report comment
That and 1997.
August 6th 2012 @ 11:58am
tonysalerno said | August 6th 2012 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Has Fremantle’s run started too late?
The Dockers are finishing fast but the problem is Geelong (7th) and North Melbourne (8th) keep winning. The Dockers despite their success will finish in the bottom half of the top 8 as their best case scenario. Fremantle’s upset victory against west coast in the derby has sparked up premiership talk but given the amount of work they have to do to get to the flag it may be one season too early.
August 6th 2012 @ 12:51pm
Matt F said | August 6th 2012 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Fremantle play North in a couple fo weeks so their Top 8 chances are in their hands to a degree. Their also only behind North (7th) and Essendon (8th) by %. Given that it’s only 1% to Essendon and 2% to North it’s also easy to make up. North also play the Bombers this week so one of those sides will drop points which means that Freo will be in the Top 8 next week if they can beat Adelaide (unlikely) or even if they have a narrower loss than the loser of North/Essendon.
They won’t win the flag though. They’ll have to play every final away from home (might get one game in Perth if they play the Eagles) which is too big of an ask for the Dockers.
August 6th 2012 @ 12:58pm
Cameron Rose said | August 6th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Yes, I don’t think anyone’s saying they can win the flag this year, but I think they could knock a West Coast in a final, or even an out-of-form Essendon if they make it. Wouldn’t surprise me if they could strangle a North or Sydney away from home either.
Next year is the time to look out for them to make a proper move up the ladder.
If McPharlin and Pavlich don’t get suspended this week, I reckon they’ll beat Adelaide.
August 6th 2012 @ 2:12pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 6th 2012 @ 2:12pm | Report comment
Will be interesting next year if both WCE and Freo can get a relatively clean injury run next year. Both West Australian clubs could do some damage, especially as the sun begins to dwindle over the current crop of power-clubs.
August 6th 2012 @ 2:11pm
Nathan of Perth said | August 6th 2012 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Hell, if Adelaide had given Essendon a touch up instead of just squeaking over, it would have been Freo in the 8 instead.
August 6th 2012 @ 4:07pm
Matt F said | August 6th 2012 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
Wouldn’t have even needed to be a touch up, just a fairly comfortable win. Essendon look like the team most likely to miss the 8 at the moment, which is remarkable considering how they started the season.
August 6th 2012 @ 7:23pm
brendan said | August 6th 2012 @ 7:23pm | Report comment
Cameron let me point out acouple of facts to you Ross Lyon didn’t coach Stkilda to a flag nor are Fremantle currently in the eight.So whilst many of the points you make are valid to link Lyon Fremantle and Premiership in the one headline is stretching poetic license a bit far.Perhaps West Coast over achieved last year so given Sydney hammerred them in Perth a similar result with a cross town rival isn’t extroardinary.Lets see how the Eagles back up this week against an inform Geelong before any conclusion can be reached regarding Fremantles derby victory.
August 6th 2012 @ 7:53pm
Jack Russell said | August 6th 2012 @ 7:53pm | Report comment
I think there’s enough evidence that Ross Lyon is a quality coach, irrespective of him not winning a premiership at St Kilda. He came within a good bounce of 2 flags with a club that’s only ever won 1 in it’s history (ironically because of a good bounce).
Yout point regarding Fremantle currently not being in the 8 is valid. But there is enough to suggest that they’ll probably be in the mix in September.
August 7th 2012 @ 1:38am
brendan said | August 7th 2012 @ 1:38am | Report comment
That is not true Jack .Stkilda were 7 points up at 3/4 time against Geelong and were outscored by 19 points in the last quarter.I assume the bounce your referring too in that game was Scarlett’s toe poke . After Scarlett touched it Ablett kicked it, Byrnes shuffled it to Varcoe who handpassed to Chapman .Hardly an unlucky bounce.The fundamental fault in Lyon’s coaching is that the game becomes too low scoring and all it takes is the opposition to outscore you for 15 or so minutes and your on the backfoot.In terms of Milnes bounce against Collingwood yes he was unlucky not too get a better bounce.
August 6th 2012 @ 9:23pm
Sausages said | August 6th 2012 @ 9:23pm | Report comment
Freo have a long way to go. I’ll make my comparisons when they make 3 top 4 finishes in a row.