SPIRO: Look, Thorpie, we can do without that constant ‘look’ word
By Spiro Zavos, 7 Aug 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Ian Thorpe of Australia smiles with his gold medal. AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill,
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Look, among the many Australian failures in the Olympic swimming tournament, we can probably find a place for someone who didn’t actually swim at all, Ian Thorpe.
Thorpie was hired by the BBC, apparently for a reported $10,000 a day, to provide colour and commentary for their swimming coverage.
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The British press is pretty savage about colonials at the best of times, but the criticism of Thorpe was torrid.
First up, they didn’t like what he was wearing: a striped jersey and shirt that had more of a south of France aspect to it rather than the tailored London look.
Second, what he had to say was pedestrian and statements of the obvious.
As an aside, I would make the point that it is rather insulting to the trade of journalism that broadcasters believe that someone who has excelled as a sporting champion will automatically be able to express more interesting insights into tactics and what is actually happening in the pool or on the track than someone who has been trained to be an articulate observer.
When you get a great practictioner who is also a gifted broadcaster, someone like Richie Benaud, then you have broadcasting gold.
But apparently, Thorpe was bronze at the very best.
For along with the pedestrian statements of the obvious, Thorpe had what his audience in the UK said was a ‘look’ problem.
Every sentence, apparently started with a ‘look’ and then the ‘look’ word punctuated the rest of his comment, rather like a series of verbal speed-humps slowing down the flow of words.
The UK Daily Telegraph, a pukka broadsheet that loves to provoke Australians, reckoned that the use of the word ‘look’ is a peculiarly Australian verbal mannerism.
When I read this, I started actually listening to some of the other Australian commentators.
And, look, what I found was that the ‘look’ word was ubiquitous. So there was Tony Jones, for Channel 9, talking about the hockey to Ken Sutcliffe.
Look, I swear every second word was ‘look.’
Believe me, it was not a good look.
Even Grant Hackett, who I thought was doing a good job explaining what was happening (or not happening as far as our swimmers were concerned) in the pool, degenerated into using the ‘look’ word when he trying to buy time for his thoughts to explain the seemingly unexplainable, which was the collapse of James Magnesson’s assault on gold, gold for Australia!
I once wrote an article for the SMH on the rising inflecTION at the end of the sentence.
The experts told me that it had to do with feminism and the delicacy of feminists in countering the argument of their colleagues not to hurt their feelings. So they ended their sentences opposing a colleague’s argument with a sort of rising inflection that left the issue slightly open.
But, look, I don’t think we can blame the use of the ‘look’ word on the feminists.
My theory is that several things are at work with the use and over-use of the ‘look’ word.
First, there is a natural tendency with speakers who are unsure of the validity of their arguments and statements to use a sort of hold word from time to time to give them time for more thinking and to give what they say an element of assurance.
The patrician hypocrite Malcolm Fraser used to punctuate his tedious platitudes with liberal doses of ‘you know.’
Wayne Swan, who was kindly described as the ‘village idiot’ of Australian politics, punctuates his riffs on the Boss and politics and the evils of Tony Abbott with the incessant use of ‘of course’ even when it is plain to everyone (but probably not to him) that what he is saying is nonsense rather than good sense.
So my theory is that ‘look’ is taking over from ‘you know’ and ‘of course’ as the phrase to fill in gaps in a sentence when the bottom seems to be dropping out it.
As a sort of proof of this Zavos Law of Platitudes, I would suggest that the best of the commentators at the Olympics, the ones who are adding great value to the experience of watching while they are explaining what is happening never, never use ‘look’ to grab our attention.
Here I would express my total admiration for the commentary work of Steve Ovett on the Fox Sports network during the track events.
Like so many people, I also supported Sebastian Coe in his spats and contests with Steve Ovett. Ovett came across as a Roundhead and Coe as a Cavalier.
But rather than being a dour, puritanical type Ovett’s commentary reveals a person with a great sense of humour and, more importantly in his job of commentating on the track events, with a profound knowledge of the tactics of racing and the psychology of the runners.
I put Ovett in the same category of practictioner/broadcaster as the great Richie Benaud, the highest possible praise that can be given to a commentator on sports, in my opinion.
Ovett is so good he even makes the Australia’s relative lack of success (with the exception of Sally Pearson) on the track in comparison to the UK men and women almost bearable.
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Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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August 7th 2012 @ 1:51am
Sportym said | August 7th 2012 @ 1:51am | Report comment
Quote ” I would make the point that it is rather insulting to the trade of journalism that broadcasters believe that someone who has excelled as a sporting champion will automatically be able to express more interesting insights into tactics and what is actually happening in the pool or on the track than someone who has been trained to be an articulate observer.”
I’d love to take your statement seriously, though having read articles relating to rugby coming out of the Sydney press…. Especially when we talk about chief correspondents …. I had a huge chuckle ! And let’s not forget our journalists that talked up our swimming team. I’ll take Thorpe Anyday!!!!
August 7th 2012 @ 2:35am
Rugby Fan said | August 7th 2012 @ 2:35am | Report comment
“the criticism of Thorpe was torrid”
Perhaps Spiro is just exaggerating to pick up on that minor quibble, but Thorpe has gone down well with viewers in Britain. His knowledge and enthusiasm communicates effectively. He defended Ye Shiwen against doping suspicions, pointing out that such accusations aren’t levelled against non-Chinese swimmers seeing similar age group improvements. He celebrated Phelps while making sure the sport as a whole didn’t take a back seat.
Here’s another view
“Ian Thorpe has received a resounding thumbs up in London for his commentating role during the BBC’s Olympic swimming coverage…”
http://tvnz.co.nz/olympics-2012/quirks-and-smirks-day-nine-5008929
Incidentally, this is certainly a surprise: “Ovett came across as a Roundhead and Coe as a Cavalier”.
Surely you mean the other way around? Ovett broke on the scene as a scruffy, bearded student who waved to the crowd when he thought he’d won – once famously losing as he slowed up and was beaten by a lunge. Coe came across as a machine, trained by his Dad, and always seemed like a pure runner to Ovett’s pure racer. Ovett was the one for the romantics.
I can recommend this talk by journalist Pat Butcher, who has written a book on the Coe/Ovett rivalry.
http://www.watershed.co.uk/dshed/olympic-rivalries-sebastian-coe-steve-ovett
August 7th 2012 @ 7:20am
ChrisT said | August 7th 2012 @ 7:20am | Report comment
Couldn’t agree more re Coe. The soon to be Conservative member for Falmouth & Camborne was always the square head of the two. I know who I’d always preferred to have a beer with. Both amazing athletes though.
August 7th 2012 @ 9:06am
Punter said | August 7th 2012 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Another one to agree. My wife is English & she remembers the Ovett v Coe days, sh tells me that Ovett was the people’s champion, while Coe was the media darling, another example of the media misrepresenting the public.
Yes & I’m coping it this week from my English relatives.
August 7th 2012 @ 4:44pm
Harry said | August 7th 2012 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
And another opne to agree, I always preferred Ovett to Coe. Watch Ovett in the 800 m final in Moscow (1980) for a thrilling example of desire, talent and performing under pressure come together.
August 7th 2012 @ 4:50pm
Scarlet said | August 7th 2012 @ 4:50pm | Report comment
Thorpe has gone over pretty well in the UK as he has proven himself to be a knowledgeable, charming commentator, albeit with a strange habit of saying ‘look’.
Everything that I have read, including in the Telegraph, has been complementary. Spiro, you just can’t help having a dig and trying to create a storm in a teacup.
August 8th 2012 @ 8:45am
Dublin Dave said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:45am | Report comment
“Ovett broke on the scene as a scruffy, bearded student who waved to the crowd when he thought he’d won – once famously losing as he slowed up and was beaten by a lunge.”
Couldn’t resist posting this. If you want to see it, YouTube has it in all its nostalgic glory!
Apparently Ovett and Treacy were such good mates that Treacy was Ovett’s celebrating partner of choice after he won his gold at the 800m in Moscow. Maybe they enjoyed an orange juice or two together!
August 7th 2012 @ 3:47am
lolly said | August 7th 2012 @ 3:47am | Report comment
‘But apparently, Thorpe was bronze at the very best.’ The good old ‘apparently’. You haven’t seen him on the BBC then. Even the Daily Mail have given him the thumbs up.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:10pm
Holbrook said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
I have to agree here. Pretty weak to start an article with a criticism of someone you haven’t seen perform, Spiro. You left yourself wide open there.
August 7th 2012 @ 3:47am
BennO said | August 7th 2012 @ 3:47am | Report comment
I noticed the liberal mp who took over Peter Costello’s seat does this when answering a question on q&a. I think her name is Kelly O’dwyer. It really drives me nuts!
And “of course”, now people are progressing from “Look…” to “Well look…” when beginning a sentence.
August 7th 2012 @ 5:38am
ChrisT said | August 7th 2012 @ 5:38am | Report comment
Look, I can’t believe you blokes are raisng this now. Ten years ago arriving on your shores from GB (18 Golds and counting) i spent the first several months constantly thinking either absolutely everything was in question (the really annoying rising inflection), or it was all about to kick off. Preceding any comment with ‘Look’ where i come from is generally a sign of significant annoyance and a generally reliable indicator that we are at that point in the debate where if you don’t get my point, I’m about to start punching it into you. Even now when on the receiving end of it, I still find a defensive and precautionary fist forming in my pocket. Please can you all stop it.
Look, while we’re at it, can some of you also please stop butchering words such as ‘known’ or ‘grown’. To clarify, these are single syllable words – always have been, always will be. The abomination of ‘grow-en’ or ‘know-wen’ perpetrated even by national news readers has to stop.
August 7th 2012 @ 5:50am
BennO said | August 7th 2012 @ 5:50am | Report comment
Touche, sir.
August 7th 2012 @ 8:09am
Bondy. said | August 7th 2012 @ 8:09am | Report comment
I only went to school to look at her chest.
August 7th 2012 @ 9:16am
Sprigs said | August 7th 2012 @ 9:16am | Report comment
August 7th 2012 @ 6:26am
Andy said | August 7th 2012 @ 6:26am | Report comment
Spiro, as ever you need to check your facts. Thorpe was hugely popular over here despite one article in the ever dodgy Daily Mail. He provided a lot of insight, was very funny and worked well with his co host Claire Balding.
HIs dress sense was ‘imaginative’ but how much does that matter.
August 7th 2012 @ 6:40am
Osacar said | August 7th 2012 @ 6:40am | Report comment
I was in London last week. Thorpie was great, got good reviews and I’m sure the BBC will rehire him. He is a natural
August 7th 2012 @ 6:49am
King of the Gorgonites said | August 7th 2012 @ 6:49am | Report comment
Spiro you are wrong on Thorpe. What was this article based on? One article in the tele? I have been glued to bbc coverage. Thorpe was very good, epically as heh build into his duties. He was quite funny, but more importantly very knowledgeable. Unfair attack spiro.
August 7th 2012 @ 8:00am
Hoy said | August 7th 2012 @ 8:00am | Report comment
I heard Thorpey was loved as a commentator.
But Spiro, I wll go you one better with the word “LIKE”!! You only have to get on the train anywhere to hear foul mouthed school kids, mostly girls, though they may not be as foul mouthed, say “like’ before “like” every “like” second “like” word. And I am “like” whatever…
Drives me mad. Interviewing for roles now, and it seems many young people don’t know how to talk properly. But that is a pretty broad, sweeping statement.
August 7th 2012 @ 12:01pm
Elisha Pearce said | August 7th 2012 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Some people don’t know how to speak properly either!
August 7th 2012 @ 8:05am
SE Informer said | August 7th 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
Here is another one for the coffers: is the ‘yeah, no’ inflection at the beginning of a sentence typically Australian? Would love to have a video of the amount of times I’ve seen this….