AFL and the massacre of the English language
Turn on any radio or television broadcast of AFL these days and you will witness a massacre. Not of the opposition team, but of the English language.
Is it just me or is the Australian ‘strine’ and poor annunciation getting worse?
While it is almost excusable, well understandable at least, for former players who become panellists, callers etc not to have a great annunciation grasp, is it excusable for professionally trained broadcasters and announcers to be so hap hazard?
The letter “t” seems to have committed some great crime as has been banned from football society with its disappearance from “Carl’n, Freman’le and Sn Kilda”. The letter “d” must be as confused as the rest of us, going missing from Essn’n but showing up in Foody in place of its colleague the letter “t”.
The after game interviews with players almost requires an interpreter with one Brisbane Lions player barely decipherable with his analysis commencing with the predictable first response of “yeah-nah” then launches into “was tougher in the secon arf but we got a lot more of the foody with some good han ballin an kickin.”
As in the words of Pauline Hanson, please explain? Whilst I am no graduate of Oxford University, and I am sure people will pull me up on my written word, I do hope, in the future we do not require subtitles on the screen to understand our own country’s footballers.
Then there is the piece de resistance as the showpiece for the great game of AFL, the Brownlow medal night. Immaculately groomed ladies, some wearing expensive dress-less evening straps, yes you read that right, accompanying their gentlemen football players to this evening of culture. Even the players themselves look quite dapper as the long sleeves and pants covers up an ever growing layer of ugly body graffiti.
The event always has a Master of Ceremonies that is one of the nation’s finest broadcasters but this only serves to make the rest sound so poor. “ Round 3, Essn’n versus Carln’n”. It, at times, sounds like a sketch from Channel Ten’s ’80’s show Comedy Company featuring Col’n Carp’ner.
Most clubs employ media trainers to ensure that the players understand how to present themselves well in a PR sense to the media, but perhaps they also need to work on the officials, commentators and past players as well.
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August 8th 2012 @ 6:15am
oogles said | August 8th 2012 @ 6:15am | Report comment
Things have been going downhill since Melbourne was first mispronounced.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:14am
Matt F said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
You’re not wrong though if you replaced AFL with NRL, Cricket, Olympics or any other sport/sporting event the article would be equally as accurate.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:17pm
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:17pm | Report comment
Thank you Matt F…yes I did not comment on other football codes as I do not listen to them…but some that I have heard are pretty bad…it seems everyone tries too hard to be “casual” and “matey” and “blokey” with the players and general public….hence the appalling use of the “yeah/nah” answer to everything….and have you ever noticed when a player is being interviewed all they can do is stand there and shrug there shoulders when they are speaking….they are supposed to getting professional media training!….
It makes listening to someone like Phil Liggot such a joy…..I spent two years out of this country and when I returned I had to get my mother to explain half of what was said on television…..
August 8th 2012 @ 12:31pm
Brewski said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:31pm | Report comment
Agree on Phil Liggot, very easy to listen to, and very unbiased nuetral but interesting commentary, but i am also going to mention Eddie Macguire in the same breath here, he was pretty easy to listen to during the triathalon, and like Phil extremely knowledgeable about the sport, he actually suprised me.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Matt F said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Very true about Liggett. The guy who calls the Hockey (I can’t remember his name) is very good as well.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:13pm
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
David Christenson is his name …former Channel 7 sport guru from Perth….he has been calling hockey for many years
August 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm
Matt F said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
That’s the one. Thanks. He’s extremely well spoken and, more importantly, knowledgable about the sport. He’s certainly been calling Hockey for far longer then i can remember
August 11th 2012 @ 10:01pm
Bryan said | August 11th 2012 @ 10:01pm | Report comment
Gee ,Jocelyn ,how did I guess you would say something like that!
“I spent two years out of this country and when I returned I had to get my mother to explain half of what was said on television….”
What a shame,after one had spent two years,trying to wash away the shame of one’s Colonial origins!
Bryan
August 8th 2012 @ 10:22am
Titus said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
It’s a worry when Holger Osieck speaks better English than your average AFL personality, that’s for sure.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:41am
Brewski said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Some old commentators such as Lou Richards, Jack Dyer can massacre the English language, by using Australisms that actually add to the coverage.
“I’ll walk to Bourke if he kicks that”, “Jack Hill the blind miner could see that” “I won’t say anything in case I say something.”
“Bartlett’s older than he’s ever been before.”
“Johnston missed one from the 10 yard square – it was impossible to miss that.”
“The only way to tackle Justin Madden. I don’t know.”
“That’s the beauty of being small – your hands are close to your feet.”
“Bamblett made a great debut last week, and an even better one today.”
“The ball goes to Marceesie … Marcheson … McKann, er …” before co-commentator Ian Major interjected: “Actually, Jack I don’t think Marchesani was in that passage of play.”
“Mark Lee’s long arms reaching up like giant testicles.”
“It’s as dark out there as the Black Hole of Dakota.”
“The goal posts are moving so fast I can’t keep up with the play.”
And on World Of Sport, Dyer declared that Fitzroy had “copulated to the opposition”.
Massacre away !!.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:09am
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:09am | Report comment
that is colourful descriptive use of the english language and I agree that it adds to the character….but my point is the appalling annuciation of the words…and yes I could ad Olympics to this list in fact it was Spiro’ article Ian Thorpes commentary that prompted me to post….I did write this some months ago…..not only radio commentators…I am appalled that how many radio and television news readers are let get away with their appalling annunication….
August 8th 2012 @ 11:12am
Brewski said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Carbon tax probably.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:51am
pogga666 said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Two other words the afl “massacre” are tanking and brave. In most other sports tanking is called match fixing or cheating.
They also use the world brave instead of terrible. For example – the GWS were brave in their 120 point loss to Carlton.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:07am
GCS said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:07am | Report comment
In tennis they say tanking, as it’s not match fixing or cheating. Every sport uses the word brave, when an extreme underdog has put in a decent performance.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:00pm
micka said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
You can be terrible AND brave. I know lots of players who are complete spuds but tackle the game head on.
It’s a way of finding the positive.
Do you expect the commentators to say “Wow, this game is sh**…. better turn over to E.Ts fishing adventures”
August 8th 2012 @ 12:30pm
Rough Conduct said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Haha, spot on. It is hilarious listening to the AFL blokes desperately trying to remain in line with orders from head office. GWS/GC getting belted by 80+ with the opposition clearly taking it easy, all they can say is how brave and competitive the boys have been, lol. “GWS have pushed them hard this afternoon, what a brave performance, not long now and these boys will be a real force” It is like listening to North Korean state television.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:35pm
Brewski said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Good to see you taking such an interest in GWS games, keep up the good work, odd that you would do so for a sport you do not like LOL.
BTW do you really think that Commetti and co work for the AFL or 7 …LOL.
And BTW the GWS players are IMO braver than a keyboard sniper.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:15pm
Rough Conduct said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:15pm | Report comment
Oh I do take an interest in GWS games, clearly not for the games themselves but I do manage the odd 5-10 minutes to see what new contrivances the AFL come up with each week, for an avid watcher of sporting politics and marketing like myself its very intriguing, not to mention Izzy, still holding out hope I will one day stumble across live pictures of him with ball in hand.
Working for Channel 7 or the AFL, is there any difference? Show me some evidence of Channel 7 broadcasters criticising the AFL administration and I will change my mind.
So to you, bravery means running out and getting flogged every weekend? What is brave about that? Hundreds of thousands men and women play sport every weekend – many of them in weak teams that cop regular hidings; and they don’t get paid a cent, are they brave too?
August 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm
Brewski said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Yes indeed, the hundreds of thousands of people out there playing every weekend are brave, win or lose, far braver than a keyboard sniper who posts regular and rehearsed criticisms of AFL teams, in particluar GWS.
Stay tuned, GWS are going to be around for a long time, and FWIW you will have plenty of chances in the future to snipe and take low pot shots from behind your keyboard, that must make you feel better.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:52pm
Gwils said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
GWS’ kids were fantastic last weekend, looking very promising.
23k tuned in from Sydney on 7Mate to watch it on a low rating Satueday arvo.
In the meantime, 18k watched NRL’s blockbuster on Friday night across melb, Adelaide and Perth.
On Sunday 73k tuned in to watch the swans in Sydney on 7mate.
To put that in context, only 95k tuned in from Brisbane to watch NRL’s Friday night blockbuster.
It’s all good news for Australian football in Sydney.
August 8th 2012 @ 2:14pm
clipper said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Gwils – were those 18k watching the NRL blockbuster doing so on the main channels? If so, that makes the figures even less impressive as the secondary channels always get less viewers – even the Olympics being screened at the same time on 9 and Gem, hardly get any ratings on Gem even though it is in HD!
August 8th 2012 @ 7:52pm
Australian Rules said | August 8th 2012 @ 7:52pm | Report comment
What’s also interesting are the national ratings figures for these games:
Saturday afternoon
GWS v Port – 185,000 (harder to imagine a lower profile game than this)
Saturday night
New v Cant – 193,000 (night game involving the premiership favourites)
NQ v Man – 203,000 (night game involving the other premiership favourites)
Just to show I’m not completely cherry picking:
Highest rating games on the wknd for:
NRL – GC v Sou – 467,000 (Sunday)
AFL – Haw v Geel – 815,000 (Friday)
August 8th 2012 @ 1:03pm
GCS said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
Rough Contact – make sure you get down to ANZ stadium this Saturday night to do your crowd estimation. Also remember to do your survey of the origin of the supporters.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:36pm
micka said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Thanks for your patronage RC. You must be watching a lot of AFL to be hearing the same message over and over…
August 8th 2012 @ 2:03pm
Gwils said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Yes, Rough conduct has us at a disadvantage, he and his mates are watching oodles of AFL, but none of us are watching NRL, as can be seen in the ratings.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:39am
Australian Rules said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Sorry Jocelyn, but isn’t this a bit ironic:
“Is it just me or is the Australian strine and poor annunciation getting worse?”
August 8th 2012 @ 12:09pm
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
I am not being paid a 6 or 7 figure salary to commentate. The people that are have an obligation to at least speak properly. And it seems those who are paid the most are some of the worst. The best are on the tiny ABC salaries. The best speaker on any medium is ABC’s Karen Tighe.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:24pm
Rough Conduct said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
Agree on Tighe and the ABC, Quentin Hull is another worthy of mention.
August 8th 2012 @ 6:09pm
Australian Rules said | August 8th 2012 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
I was just being a bit cheeky…
I thought the “annucniation” was when the angel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary, and “enunciate” would be the appropriate word in this context.
No bother.
August 8th 2012 @ 8:02pm
Opinion Peace said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:02pm | Report comment
You weren’t being cheeky AR. That’s a slightly embarrassing oversight by JM.
I don’t actually mind if they speak “ozstray-lian”. Our language is very quickly migrating to Americanisms such as “cool” “dude” “OMG” and “like” in high schools, so the longer we can hold out with our Bazza McKenzie-isms the better.
August 9th 2012 @ 10:43am
John D said | August 9th 2012 @ 10:43am | Report comment
What about Dennis Commetti? (It’s not all bad!)
‘Scotty Cummings alone in the square, jumping up and down and waving his arms like they’re playing My Sharona …’
‘Farmer may have an injury to his calf … hmmm, a farmer with a calf problem …’
‘Spider had both his legs taken out from under him – leaving only the other six to balance on …’
“Ball to Barker to Barlow – The Hawks are attacking alphabetically”
On Melbourne’s Adam Yze: “A terrific player . . . terrible scrabble hand.”
“Ling’s running off the ground a little bit gingerly.”
“Cousins, runs away from Carr … not the first time we’ve seen that this season.”
About Cameron Cloke who was timing his ruck work badly, something along the lines of: “He leaves his messages before the ‘beep’.”
‘Hay is bailed up on the boundary line . . .’
‘Walker to Carr . . . that’s a step up . . .’
‘He’s made a typo! – he wanted Bickley and he’s got Buckley!’
“The Magpies ought to be kicking themselves right now, but with their luck, they’d probably miss.”
After Darren Gaspar hits the post from 40 metres out: “Gaspar, the unfriendly post.”
“Ashley McIntosh, like a good hair spray … capable of a subtle hold.”
“Ball in dispute, Lamb, now Yze the meat in the sandwich. Really Lamb should be in the sandwich.”
On former Magpie, Crow and now Cat, Brenton Sanderson: “He goes much better as a mammal.”
August 9th 2012 @ 1:16pm
Australian Rules said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
He’s certainly one of the best John.
And perhaps his most celebrated line:
“Liberatore, went in optimistically, came out misty optically”
August 9th 2012 @ 2:53pm
GCS said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
Most of those are brilliant. “Ball to Barker to Barlow – The Hawks are attacking alphabetically” is incredible quick.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:47pm
The High Shot said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Good call Jocelyn. The ABC’s commentators are held to standards of annunciation and generally take the time to learn players’ names etc to boot. On the commercial stations, the likes of Andrew Voss and Warren Smith (NRL) are both easy to listen to with decent vocabularies and expressive voices. However it’s the ex-players who mumble, speak heavy Strine and generally take a dump in our ears. Understandable I suppose and sometimes it can be entertaining, especially the likes of Brad Fittler.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:18pm
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
although one ABC AFL caller is one of the worst offenders as a “t” dropper…the constant “Freman’le”….it is great to have ex-players etc to have for expert comments but someone please ensure they get some speech training before they are given a microphone….a particular sport was so harsh on the ears during these Olympics I had to watch it with the mute button on…
August 8th 2012 @ 2:07pm
BigAl said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
Give me an interview with an Australian female athlete over her male counterpart anyday – especially footballers !
Sometimes you get the feeling that they think it’s ‘girlie’ to be articulate and expansive.
Athletes from the more minor sports usually perform better, but as with females, they probably feel it’s an honour to be deemed important enough to warrant an interview and make more of an effort, whereas footballers just regard it as part of the grind of being a professional footballer.
Of course, on top of all this is the social truth that women love conversation more than men, and footballers are usually from . . . a less articulate background
August 8th 2012 @ 2:24pm
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
My point exactly BigAl… half of the strine and yeah/nah stuff etc is done in an attempt to make sure they appear as blokey and casual as possible and almost afraid if they talk in an articulated manner and tone they may have there sexuality questioned…growing up in rural Australia I know full well the misplaced assumptions that were made to any man that dressed or spoke nicely.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:02pm
Rough Conduct said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:02pm | Report comment
Not all footballers are inarticulate, nor do all female athletes speak well. Australian Rugby players have a well-deserved reputation for being articulate and well-spoken, look at Will Genia, Adam Freier, Stephen Moore, Al Baxter or Benn Robinson, did you see Wallaby captain David Pocock on Q&A? Nothing girlie about David. Have you heard Nick Farr-Jones speak? He would put many a politician or journo to shame.
As for women, I have seen plenty give the inarticulate and banal interview. Cathy Freeman, Stephanie Rice, Sally Pearson, none of these girls speak well at all, I think the gender correlation is completely unfounded.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:17pm
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
I agree rough conduct…I never said all female athelets speak well…just that a lot of the male ones seem to over do the “blokey” bit and thus their presentation and speech suffers because of it….there are a lot of very articulate players and around like Mr Farr-Jones might have something to do with the time he spent at university…I just wish we would hear them more than the others….also it seems in general, that the Union players seem to speak a lot better than the League players…does anyone have a theory on that?……here is one for you…one of the best spoken people I have spoken with…Evander Holyfield…very intelligent and articualte man…most people would never expect that of a boxer!
August 8th 2012 @ 3:38pm
Rough Conduct said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
does anyone have a theory on that?
Wow, you AFL people really have no idea. The two codes of Rugby are not only different sports but are very different culturally as well, traditionally Rugby has always been played in private schools and universities while Rugby League has always been the game of the people, played by the working class. Although many of these barriers have been broken down and Australia is generally a classless society i.e there are many “well educated” Rugby League players and many “working class” Rugby players nowadays, much of the tradition still remains.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:50pm
GCS said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
Different sports? Aren’t they just run by different organisations? You know, like in boxing with the WBA and WBC.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:51pm
Brewski said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
Wow, …. what a generalisation you make, anyone that happens to like AFL is now a AFL person, … as you put it.
A game of the people is one that represents a good cross section of the community, and many demographics so IMO RL and RU traditionally will struggle, even cricket has a problem across some demographics ( aboriginal being one). However in the southern states there is one sport that really cuts through rich, poor, aboriginal and indeed immigrant communities and that is Australian football.
August 8th 2012 @ 4:36pm
Jocelyn McLennan said | August 8th 2012 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
its called reading between the lines rough conduct…most people know about the traditional class backgrounds difference between the two rugby codes…I just wanted a rugby person to point it out and not myself being…an AFL person……
August 8th 2012 @ 4:39pm
clipper said | August 8th 2012 @ 4:39pm | Report comment
Rough Conduct – I agree with your statements, but to be fair people outside of NSW and QLD sometimes don’t know the difference simply because the two codes aren’t a big part of the sporting landscape. In most of the world they don’t know the difference as they always think of Union when Rugby is mentioned.
Rugby may have the upper hand in the southern states, as it does have international exposure with the Wallabies and as you say, gets played in the private schools and universities.
August 8th 2012 @ 7:00pm
Rough Conduct said | August 8th 2012 @ 7:00pm | Report comment
What is wrong with being an AFL person? Is that so bad? I didn’t realise it was an insult.
Are you arguing with yourself here Brewski? Of course one of AFL’s strengths is its appeal across a cross-section of society, I would not argue with that. Cricket does a far better job at connecting the entire nation though, something AFL will never be able to do, I didn’t realise Aboriginals had a problem with cricket? Don’t forget Melbourne has only recently opened up to other sports, look at the impact Football has had in a short time, we will see which sport appeals to the immigrant community in 10 years time. So too with Rugby, a sport extremely adept at servicing the corporate world and the aspiring middle-class, and Rugby League will always provide a solid TV product. AFL should be more worried about the entire sport being centred in a single city in one country – no other sport on the planet is so reliant on a single city as AFL is on Melbourne.
August 8th 2012 @ 8:20pm
Brewski said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:20pm | Report comment
I have no idea where you have been, but are you aware the AFL have a national comp, thats actually one of it’s stremgths, and ATM the Swans are set for a bumper game and crowd of Austrtian Football on the W/E.
And Melbourne as well as every other city in Australia has been open to all and every kind of sport iimaginable for a very long time, it’s just some are more popular and do it better than others.
August 8th 2012 @ 5:27pm
NF said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
Clipper all I want to know is what sport you support is seems everytime I try to ask this question it’s gets deleted from the mods. That’s all I want to know since it’s no secret of your thoughts of rugby league with your ‘reality’ nonsense.
August 8th 2012 @ 6:14pm
clipper said | August 8th 2012 @ 6:14pm | Report comment
Why so upset?- all I’ve done is agree with Rough Conduct and then Jocelyn backed up the point! You’re entitled to your view of ‘reality’ and we’re entitled to ours.If you can tell me what part of my last statement is wildly inaccurate, please let me know.
I support most sports and have commented on many of them, but try not to have secrets.