Des Hasler’s outburst a symptom of a sick system
Roar Guru Every week we are seeing more and more bad decisions by the refs, both on the field and in the video box. Not only are the decisions poor, but there is no consistency with interpretation of the rules.
When a player puts in consistently bad performances, they have to answer to their coach. When the coach comes under criticism, it is the board who make the call.
But who polices the police? Who do the refs answer to? Bill Harrigan is supposed to keep these guys in check and get them to be the best he can but from what I can see, that is obviously not happening.
Since the start of the season we have been talking about bad calls, missed calls and inconsistency. Even outside of match time, the judiciary has been all over the place when it comes to the penalties they are handing out.
A player’s profile should not matter when they come before the judiciary. However, it seems that the more well known a player is, the lesser their sentence is.
And this has been happening at the highest levels of the game – some of the calls in Origin this year were the worst of the bunch.
What’s happening, Billy?
Yes being a ref is a hard job. No one doubts that. But it is their responsibility to get the calls right or as close to right as possible.
I don’t think I have heard as many complaints by coaches since Greg Hartley and the Grasshopper.
When fans pay good money to go and see their team play they want the players to decide who wins the game, not the match officials.
In too many matches recently, the momentum of the game has completely changed due to a bad call.
And with the $10,000 punishment handed out for questioning match officials, it is hard to get a constructive debate going about how to fix these obvious issues.
Top coaches and players should be able to ask “what is going on?” without fear of punishment.
It seems that, under our current structure, referees are untouchable, no matter how many mistakes they make.
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August 8th 2012 @ 7:00am
Mals said | August 8th 2012 @ 7:00am | Report comment
Good article Steve. My biggest concern is obstruction, not making this black & white in the rule book ensures that refs will butcher it.
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August 8th 2012 @ 8:31am
mushi said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
There is no way to make it black and white. Every “black and white” solution I’ve seen has mind numbingly obvious flaws.
Black and white rules, designed to cover a part of the game that is caused by unplanned interaction, are untenable.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:18am
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Its simple to make it black and white… like it used to be. If you frun behind your own player, Penalty. Can’t get any clearer and black and white than that. Whats wrong with that? The way it used to be? We are talking first grade footballers here and if your too lazy to get out of the way or the halfbacks can’t direct the play properly then they have no argument but to accept the penalty.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:36am
mushi said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:36am | Report comment
so is returning a kick a penalty?
If not why not?
August 8th 2012 @ 12:21pm
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
NO because you don’t have to run behind your players. Some players chose to, or some of the attacking team are getting back lazily and getting themselves in the way. It is the attacking teams responsibility to get out of the way. We should not be making rules or changing interpretations for lazy players.
August 8th 2012 @ 5:50pm
mushi said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:50pm | Report comment
Actually you do. Watch a game sometime then come back. I’ll give you $50 if at least once during that game a player fielding a deep kick doesn’t run a line that takes him behind his team mates that were up in the defensive line
August 8th 2012 @ 12:45pm
The Barry said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
Except Nafe that a lot of obstructions have nothing to do with a player with the ball running behind their own players, it’s about decoys running through and getting in the way of the defensive line.
When is some contact too much ?
What onus is there on the defensive player to avoid a decoy runner?
What if the defender deliberately runs into the decoy?
Should the decoy run through the defensive line?
What if the decoy changes direction?
Far from black and white issues.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:19pm
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
It seems pretty black and white for me. There should be ZERO onus on the defence to get out of the way of a decoy runner. They run past the player with the bal land therefore put themselves in an off side position, it is their responsibilty to get out of the way. Any contact is too much and could and does effect the momentum of the defender, If the defender delibretly runs into the decoy runner, too bad, the player is in front of the player with the ball so therefore in an offside position and shouldn’t be there. The decoy runner should get out of the way as soon as it is clear he can no longer get the ball.
August 8th 2012 @ 5:58pm
mushi said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:58pm | Report comment
“the player is in front of the player with the ball so therefore in an offside position and shouldn’t be there.”
Well for starters there are two a little known rules in rugby league that might just make it difficult for you to stick to that view point
1. you have to pass the ball backwards.
2. you have to play the ball backwards.
So players actually should be in front of players all pretty freaking regularly. Them being in front does not give the defence the right to do as they please.
See how the black and white stuff is pretty tough, especially when ill considered an poorly communicated.
Even moving away from the obvious in front. Your interpretation essentially makes it illegal not to pass to a player that is on the burst.
August 9th 2012 @ 8:16am
The Barry said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:16am | Report comment
So Nafe, you’re happy to see situations like Glenn Hall going down like he was shot when Watmough got within a metre of him ?
To me that’s diving, staging, simulation, whatever you want to call it and a far worse look for the game than a couple of 50/50 obstruction calls.
There’s no such thing as black and white. One rule change has a ripple effect through the game.
August 8th 2012 @ 8:57am
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Thanks Mals,, yes this is one area that will surely come up for review in the off season ..
August 8th 2012 @ 7:11am
Gremlin said | August 8th 2012 @ 7:11am | Report comment
One the few things Gould has said that I actually agree with ” there is no point in sacking a bloke untill you’ve got someone better lined up “. As you have pointed out there seems to be no one better at the moment.
The disappointing thing is the situation dosn’t seem to be on the improve, Harrigan & co’ don’teven want admit that there is a problem, usually the first step to fixing a issue.
August 8th 2012 @ 8:32am
mushi said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:32am | Report comment
funny that the author doesn’t reference how Bennet thinks this was just Hasler looking to manipulate the media and take the spotlight off his own team.
If a coache’s lips are moving in the press conference – he’s lying
August 8th 2012 @ 8:51am
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:51am | Report comment
So you think the comments Des made were worth TEN GRAND to take the spotlight of his team ,,the punishment far out ways the crime dont you think !
August 8th 2012 @ 9:22am
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
I think the penalty fitted the crime. He directly questioned the integrity of the 2 referees and took their conversation, not only out of context but changed the words they used to make it sound like the referees were actively trying to get Newcastle back into the game.
I actually think there was nothing wring with the referees discussing the game, it shows that they are actually reading the game and concentrating on what is happening on the field. Hasler should provide a written apology to both the match referees and also to the whole Referees association questioning their integrity.
If Hasler had an issue with the penalties that were given against his team, sure bring that up, but all penalties were deserved, they were given a dubious try, Knights were disallowed a dubious try, I really thought the men in the middle had a reasonable game to be honest, and generally they all do. Its the men in the box rather the men in pink that should be under the microscope. I can and do accept mistakes and wrong decisions from the blokes on the field as they are seeing it live and can’t always see everything, But when the man in the box takes 3 and 4 minutes, plus watching 12 – 15 repeats of a try and still gets it wriong, thats the real talking point, not an innocent discussion between 2 referees.
But we also need to look at why decisions are getting wrong, Is it because the referees are incompetant, Don’t know the rules, or that the rules are so confusiong or so open to interpretation that any decision can be defended so no decision is actually wrong.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:57am
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:57am | Report comment
And why is it that we hold the refs so high that they can’t be questioned ,,its ridiculous that coach’s are not allowed to comment on something that includes decisions made against their team ,,i would like to see more transparency by the referees association ,,instead of this hide behind the door attiude ,,and we don’t have to answer to anyone .And yes if its the rules that are confusing and open to 5 different ways of interpretation then don’t you think they the ref’s need to come out and say something ,,so it can be reviewed and changed if need be ..
August 8th 2012 @ 10:13am
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
Steve, Hasler didn’t question a decision. He questioned the integrity of the referees by putting words in their mouth and taking their conversation out of contect. Which decision did he question? None. He said they had a run of 4 penalties against them, He never questioned a particular penalty and all penalties were deserved.
What Hasler questioned was thew Referees suposedly saying over and over “This games going to change” which is not what the referees said, What they said was it could change quickly as Newcastle have had no ball. It was a discussion about the reading of the game, nothing more.
Hasler deserves every cent of his fine.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:22am
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Nafe you are talking about one game and one incident and i respect your veiw but opinions vary and i and i am sticking to mine ..But mate its the overall refereeing i am on about as well because across the board its not up to standard !!
August 8th 2012 @ 12:23pm
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
Steve thats fine, I get your point. I am mentioning this incident because thats the one mentioned in your piece and you stated the punnishment didnt fit the crime. I begf to differ. If he was questioning the 4 penalties and said they were not deserved, thats totally different than saying the Referees were talking about the game has to change.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:57pm
The Barry said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
Hasler did question the integrity of the refs. The conversation didn’t happen as he reported it and he does deserve the $10,000 fine. Doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a point though.
The refs should not be discussing how the game is going to go or that momentun is going to change or whatever they should be adjudicating the action in front of him. I note the talk of match fixing that’s come up lately – if I were an honest ref I would not want to be involved in this sort of discussion at all.
Robinson knew the conversation was on thin ice. He was giving one or two word answers and not wanting to get involved.
Suttor is THE worst ref I’ve ever seen. His decisions defy belief at times, he has little understanding for the game, he speaks to players like garbage week in, week out, he has grown the scrappiest beard I’ve ever seen.
My missus (doesn’t watch much footy) overheard him talking to one of the players a couple of weeks ago and said “Who’s that little twerp? Has he ever been hit by one of the players for talking to them like that?”
August 8th 2012 @ 1:14pm
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
My boss has just come in and read a few of the comments regarding the ten grand for descent and reckons that its a great thing and he should introduce it here at work he reckons he would be a millionare in a month ,and who does the money go to ?
August 8th 2012 @ 10:37am
mushi said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
No not at all. Des is a serial offender and frankly deserves more than that.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:52pm
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Geez mushi your hard mate ,Desi would be glad your not calling the shots !!
August 8th 2012 @ 5:59pm
mushi said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
Seriously how often has Des called out the referees though? Clearly he doesn’t care about the fine
August 8th 2012 @ 9:33am
oikee said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Hollywood is the problem. We need someone to sack the top dog, like they did with Gallop. Until we see some leadership in this department, Hollywood wioll continue to make excuses and turn the game into a complete dogs breakfast.
Mate i have been telling you guys about this for 2 years now.
Yet here we are, 2 years later with even more issues because some clown has even changed the rules without thinking, we had the Origin debarkle, a complete dogs breakfast, the callers trying to explain that the rule has been changed, (one has to ask why) it was a complete stuff-up, and nothing was done to right this stupid interpretation, they just glossed over it and we continue to see complete dog breakfast’s every week now.
Come-on, i just read a story today by Buzz the reporter, saying we have no leader, we are rudderless.
Duh, even blind Freddy can see our game is hopeless, needs a complete makeover. Hollywood being culled would be a good start, put that silly video ref on notice, the guy who has continued to make complete balls-up for the last 2 years, Hamstead.
The rules need to be overhauled and fixed, bring in the coach call so we dont have any stuff-ups, we can challenge the stuff-ups.
Apart from that the game is pretty good, they are slowly cleaning up chicken wings and rolling pins and drumsticks and whatever other god unsightly mess they allowed to happen in the game. The prowler still has to go.
It really is not that hard to fix, you would think it is rocket science the way they let these dud calls corrode our game.
Time for the call, we need a oracle, we need a CEO.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:09am
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
Hey oikee how is up their in god’s country yes mate i think we need to change the way we do things where the refs are concerned for to long they have been untouchable ,,if they were getting it close to right we wouldn,t be here still bitching about the refs ..Harrigan has to get them all on the same page and if he can’t then step down and give the job to someone who can ,,and yes blind freddy can see some of the rules need to be overhauled ,,and yes mate its not rocket science ,,so whats the problem get it done !!
August 8th 2012 @ 10:47am
oikee said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Look, the simpliest way to get Dessy and Toovey to stop whining and whinging, introduce a coach’s call. Then they have no reason to whinge.?
Think about that, if the coach see’s a mistake with the video ref or the ref has allowed a forward pass or a player decoy run get through, he can make a coaches call. If he loses the call he only has 1 left. So 2 per game.
Is this really that hard to introduce, they have it in the NFL and it works a treat. You go to the ad while the video ref looks at the replays, then when the play returns some dumbo on the sidelines annouches a over-rule or upheld decision.
Come-on, why is our game so slow to introduce brilliant ideas. Like the independent commish, great idea, to slow to introduce, sacking Gallop, grat idea, too slow to replace him, Corner Post, great idea, 2 years to take it out of play. ?
Well they run league should i say.
Come-on. Dinosaurs move faster than league.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:03am
Andy said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:03am | Report comment
“Look, the simpliest way to get Dessy and Toovey to stop whining and whinging, introduce a coach’s call. Then they have no reason to whinge.?” It would slow the game down, but it would mean more tv time for adds which may be a good thing. Also, it would not stop coaches complaining or shifting blame/attention, it is called keeping your job and good team management.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:26am
oikee said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Yes i know it would not stop them complaining, but it would take away one excuse of blaming the refs. And our refs really need protecting. They are copping some really bad press and bile at games.
As for slowing the game down, only as much as it is now except for maybe 2 extra calls a game. Now i am hoping this will be introduced because the TV deal is nearly done, and remember they keep telling us we need to introduce more ads for more cash. So a simple introdustion of a coach call which will help the game, and increase ad time is a must for the game.
Look, i am probably wasting my time talking about it, this must already have been looked at to go into the TV neosciations, because Gallop had already brought this up before he left.
We can call it titanic 3.
Anyhow, it is a good idea, the NFL use this system, most of the good ideas are already used in some code or some form somewhere,.
Rugby league just needs to climb on board, rather than be dragged along the bottom all the time.
We have a rudderless ship, we need a rudder and steering wheel.
Get Clive Palmer to run the code.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:07am
Pot Stirrer said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:07am | Report comment
It seems to me like every problem we have in the NRL, they want to make the fix even more complicated which inturn makes things worse. The 2 Refs were a good idea imo but ive said it before it should be a senior ref making all the calls and the second ref just managing the on and offside and decisions and maybe foulplay calls.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:15am
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:15am | Report comment
Pot Stirrer i think we need to go back to the basics and then simplify not complicate !!
August 8th 2012 @ 11:00am
oikee said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Spot on Steve, and you need the right people making the decisions to simplify our game. Many times i have said, every action has a re-action.
This has to be looked at before any decision is made. That knock forward out of the hand rule, OMG, did nobody think of the complete dogs breakfast the game would have by introducing this rule. You only ave to look at what happened in our showcase game (origin) with Inglis getting the ball dislodged.
If this ever happens and the ball has gone forward, what is the simpliest thing to do, ? Yes a scrum. The guy knocked the ball out, but it still went forward so you cant score off this,,,, you still get the ball back but only through a scrum. The game looks professional and neat, no scrappy looking at video replays where everyone is screaming at the TV.
And this is a problem the people who changed the rule never thought about, how it will be lloked at 10 times with some pillack like Hamstead looking at it in the video box. This guy cant even call a try. I have seen so many wrong calls this year it is hard to watch the video ref without closing your eyes if it is your team on the recieving end of these dud calls.
Again, to simplify, take away the Torso rule, you either ground it with your hands or no try. Little things like this will improve the game, not make it harder to watch.
What has happened is nobody has cleaned the rules up since the introduction of the video refs. That is why i keep saying we need someone to overhaul the rules, not in a changing massive way, just to see what is not working. Harragon should have done this with a team of guys.
Or someone should be doing this, anyhow, that is my 2 bob’s worth again, hope it helps improve something, i yell at the TV weekly now.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:58pm
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Yes oikee i to would like to see the torso rule gone ,,the hands or nothing !!
August 8th 2012 @ 1:24pm
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
That has to be a more frustrating rule than the Obstruction to mine. I think there also needs to be control somewhere in the try scoring rule also. The amount of time the ball is being lost but because there is no seperation its a try even though its obvious the player has lost control.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:36pm
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:36pm | Report comment
Agreed !
August 8th 2012 @ 11:39am
planko said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Everyone knows when a shepherd is a shepherd. You can tell cause when the players do one they practically stop. Unless they are not to bright like Hodges. “I would hate for that try to be given against QLD” quote from Wally Lewis.
If you run behind a player with ball penalty end of story.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:42am
Maximus said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:42am | Report comment
This happens every year but I have never seen Masters say what he said below.
The NRL fobbed the issue – the penalty count was 8-3 to Newcastle (with a FT dubious penalty to Bulldogs when it was all over). But there was a string of penalties to the Newcastle when Bulldogs had a big lead and none to Bulldogs.
What was the issue that the dissenting refs had with Harrigan at the beginning of the year. Archer is one of the most honest ammong them but there must be a temptation for referees to orchestrate the game (as Masters says) to keep ratings up to the end of the game esp Sunday afternoon which is a lead in to evening programming.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/dramatic-licence-whistleblowers-in-danger-of-playing-to-script-to-ensure-theatrical-finale-20120806-23qe1.html
August 8th 2012 @ 12:47pm
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Maximus i hadn;t read the article by Masters he makes some challenging points dosen’t he ,,when the old guard comes out and says things like thisi it makes you wonder if their is any truth in what he is saying ,and to some thats exactly what it looks like ,,theatrical …
August 8th 2012 @ 3:20pm
Maximus said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Masters pretty much says the same thing here but carefully worded…
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/billys-lowpenalty-diet-has-players-tightening-their-belts-20110322-1c58h.html
Remember every penalty in SOO 1 went to the team behind on the scoreboard (bar 1for deliberate foul play)
August 8th 2012 @ 4:48pm
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 4:48pm | Report comment
Maximus you are a wealth of information i have saved both articles to my computer ,thanks ..And yes when you look at it in this light it certainly gives food for thought ,,i wonder ..
August 8th 2012 @ 1:04pm
The Barry said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:04pm | Report comment
I think there’s two things at play here:
1) I think there is too much advantage for a penalty and they have the potential to completely change the momentum of the game. Back in the day you’d get a penalty, gain 20 metres by kicking to touch and then grind out 20 metres from your set of 6 and then kick.
Teams now make 40+ metres every set so if you get a penalty anywhere on the field other than in your own 20 metres, you’re going to end the set with an attacking kick. I don’t think there’s a need for the kick to touch any more. I think teams get enough advantage by getting another set of 6 or a shot at 2 points. The one exception would be within your 20 or one the first tackle: then you get a kick for touch.
2) Are refs trying to create a sense of theatre or drama, influence momentum within games and avoid blowout scorelines ? I’m starting to wonder.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm
Nafe said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
YOur point 1 is quite a good point. I think we should return to the 5 metre rule where both the defending and attacking teams need to retire 5 meters from the play the ball. That still gives you the 10meter gap between the teams and would limit the line / forward passes from dummy half that consistantly occur and are never pulled up.
August 8th 2012 @ 2:49pm
oikee said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:49pm | Report comment
Your point 1 is absolutely spot on. I made mention of this in the Bulldogs Cowboys game. The cows were taken out of the contest in the first half. The penalties were from slow play the ball. . (this is dubious, i was watching and they seemed no slower than normal tackles).
Poor cows, this has to stop. Away teams are disadvantaged before they even turn up, then the refs play to the crowds, or play to themsleves. ? how do we know they dont have a bet on certain teams, who is monitoring them. ?
So this is what happened. Penatly to the dogs, cows retreated for extra 6 and the dogs then scored, so cows had to kick off, another 6, then another penalty, dogs again scored, cows kicked off and again, another penalty for again, so-called slow play the ball. Another 6 and another try. This happened all the first half, the cows were completely wreacked, could not even stand up, came out second half detroyed, i had already swithced off because i could see what was going on.
I even madea couple of comments on this blog i got bored watching the refs slaughter the cows.
The game is being stragled by a Sydney centric domination where you need to cheat the cap to compepte. I know this sounds extreme, but i think it is the only way some clubs outside Sydney can compete. The Warriors will need to do something, with all the best players and them still losing, something has to give.
Same as the Broncos, we should be the hardest team to beat, at the moment we are nothing but cannon foder.
People will turn off if even the refs are making it hard for your team, their is more than one code to follow nowadays.
It is no good trying to level up the penalty count when you have totally destroyed the energy of a team.
August 8th 2012 @ 5:35pm
Mac said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:35pm | Report comment
I find the refs dialogue very disturbing in the Dogs V Knights game. Why would the officials get together and begin discussing possession and momentum and their perception of the nature and or direction that the game is heading. Their job is to police the contest fairly, not to speculate amongst themselves during the course of the match. Despite Des Hasler misquoting them the suggestion he is making is extremely serious. I for one have seen enough this year to be convinced that there is an agenda within the refereeing ranks to favor certain teams and people are slowly catching on. I don’t agree with the above post that it is part of a Sydney based domination conspiracy because I have watched the Roosters and Sharks cop some of the worst decisions I have ever witnessed this season whilst watching the Broncos receive what I consider to be preferential treatment throughout the year. I think what’s happening is the clubs with the biggest support bases are being herded towards the finals in an attempt to squeeze every bit of revenue possible whilst the game is heading in a new direction and trying to secure a new TV deal. Either way it’s becoming obvious and you always see the refs evening out the count in the final ten mins of a game when one team has been heavily penalised but as stated above ” It is no good trying to level up the penalty count when you have totally destroyed the energy of a team”
August 8th 2012 @ 5:48pm
oikee said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:48pm | Report comment
Bingo, yes you have hit the nail squarly on the head my friend. And weather you like to admit it or not, is a Sydney conspiracy because the refs in conjunction with Sydney clubs who want to raise some extra capital are making sure the results are correct, if you know what i mean.
Next year will see the rise of Parra and Penrith, keep a eye on the early penalty count next year. The best way to deal with this is to not forget. Once you forget, they seem to do as they please. I will keep a eye on the games next year, and the refs.
I am still waiting for the refs to penalise Farrah for holding down every tackle, and the desease is catching, a few tigers are doing the same. Watch Farrah, watch him closely, tape the games replay them, they wont blow the whistle.
Plus the whole team turtle players, once you start looking for this, you see a huge problem, and the refs let some teams get away with these turtleing tactics more than other teams.
The player with the ball hits the ground and they roll him straight over, or try tooo, Farrah then holds the player with his hand on pressure points. Sorry to mention this, now you will be seeing alot more issues.
August 9th 2012 @ 11:48am
Maximus said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:48am | Report comment
I would look at next years draw for an improved draw for Penrith/Eels as the NRL needs them to be strong in the western suburbs eg playing Broncos/ Storm during SOO etc. My point about the 3PM game being an important lead in to Sunday night programming is best exemplified by this below – the comeback of the century. Look at the 10 metre forward pass at 8.40 – the touchie got dropped but the refereees escaped punishment. The commentator Belcher went off his head but most of his comments didnt make this video – Parramata come back to beat Manly in March 2010
August 8th 2012 @ 5:55pm
steve b said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:55pm | Report comment
Mac suggested reading both articles provided by Maximus above ,their is more than a few who think theirs something rotten in denmark ..