Who will wear the 10 for the Wallabies?
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On August 18, either Berrick Barnes or Quade Cooper will steer the Wallabies around ANZ Stadium against the All Blacks in the opening match of The Rugby Championship.
If I was selecting the team, I would go for Barnes over Cooper at 10, however in a perfect world, I would like to see Barnes shift to 12 with Cooper inside him.
Whatever combination Deans chooses, he needs to consider it carefully as it will impact greatly on the rest of the backline.
“[T]here’s potential domino effects on other positions and how we cover them. The only certainties are Kurtley Beale and Adam Ashley Cooper,” Deans said a fortnight ago.
It would be a massive gamble to drop Barnes after consecutive man-of-the-match performances. However, as he well as he played throughout the June Test series against Wales, the Wallabies only scored five tries in the three games.
The Wallabies need Cooper at 10 for his superior attacking skill, with Barnes continuing to play a controlled, distributing role at 12. We can’t solely rely on the safety of Barnes against The All Blacks and Springboks; we need it juxtaposed with Cooper’s unpredictability.
In saying that however, Cooper did miss the recent Test series due to lack of match fitness and hasn’t played a lot of rugby in the last 12 months. Despite Cooper’s defence improving dramatically since 2011, I think Barnes’ main advantage over him is his all round game.
If Deans wants Pat McCabe at 12, I would go for Barnes at 10 for this reason. However I’d rather push McCabe to 13 as I don’t see him to be a great distributor in comparison to Barnes.
Another option is for Deans to put Beale at 10, who shone for a lifeless Rebels side this season. However, he is by far and away the best fullback in the country and it would be a mistake to move him.
It will be interesting when James O’Connor comes back as he too could slot into the 10 jumper.
He handled the position with aplomb against Wales following Cooper’s World Cup injury. Despite only playing a handful of games this season, he still managed to squeeze into the top 10 for average metres gained.
When fit, I would slot him straight back into the starting side on the wing. He’s simply too much of a talent to keep on the sideline.
Furthermore, Deans could ease Cooper back into international rugby by giving him an impact role. Cooper could come off the bench at around the 60 minute mark, who, coupled with the injection of Nic White, would undoubtedly spark the backline.
It’s a shame Christian Lealiifano has been ruled out to a season ending ankle injury. For me, he was by far the best Australian five eighth this Super Rugby season.
His ability to take the ball to the line and create multiple options is where he outshines Barnes. He will no doubt be a major contender for a starting spot when he returns.
As much as I think we need Cooper back, I don’t think Deans will opt for him in the first game, as he recently hinted Barnes will stay where he is, “Quade’s coming back and he’s going to need to play some rugby. He hasn’t played any rugby really over the last year.”
If he stays with Barnes, it’s quite understandable as his partnership with Genia has blossomed. Genia has taken a more dominant role, with Barnes successfully taking a backseat.
I don’t think I need to comment on Cooper’s World Cup campaign, where Barnes stunningly received a standing ovation when he substituted Cooper against the Boks.
I think Cooper’s confidence took a massive beating as a result. Yet Cooper has been a more controlled player since, exemplified in his six games this season where he didn’t overplay his hand, having greater impact with his fewer touches.
One needs to question when or if he will ever be able to convert his Super Rugby form on to the international stage. When he does, he will be the one of the best players in the world.
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August 8th 2012 @ 4:58am
Johnno said | August 8th 2012 @ 4:58am | Report comment
Barnesy.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:53am
Rob from Brumby Country said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Agree. If you want the complete package, than you play Berrick Barnes. If you want a brittle fly-by-night who is capable of spectacular acts of lunacy that he occasionally gets away with, you pick Quade Cooper.
August 8th 2012 @ 6:12am
Justin2 said | August 8th 2012 @ 6:12am | Report comment
You want to settle for 2nd, pick BB. If you want to be the best you can be its QC all day…
August 8th 2012 @ 8:36am
CizzyRascal said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:36am | Report comment
I think the best idea is here. Quade Cooper certainly has his failings but I think Cooper can take this side further than Barnes is capable of. Cooper has been at the centre point of this side during their best run of rugby in the past 7-8 years.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:46am
Rob from Brumby Country said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Well, I don’t see it that way. Quade had a whole Rugby World Cup to “take this side further” and he choked spectacularly. He will always be a liability in pressure games. If anything, I suspect it’s Quade who’s taken us as far as he can go, and that the future belongs to somebody who is less panicky.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:49am
Justin2 said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
He had a shocker v NZ for sure. You going to punt him forever on that? Tough marker indeed.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:56am
Rob from Brumby Country said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Well, you’re the one punting Barnes without letting him fail at all. I just find it very difficult to understand the claims that Quade is a better Test flyhalf than Barnes when there is no performance-based evidence to back this up.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:03am
Justin2 said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:03am | Report comment
You are looking at only one side of it though. Has Cooper never played a good match at 10 for AUS?
Believe me BB may not “fail” like QC has but he will never reach the heights of QC either. Ill take the guy with upside.
We will just have to agree to disagree but BB has little history of getting a team and backline going at any decent clip.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:51am
Rob from Brumby Country said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Never? I don’t know about never. I think a better question would be: has Cooper ever played a good match at 10 for Australia against New Zealand or the Boks? My answer would be ‘not nearly often enough, and certainly far less often than he has played badly’.
And how can you be so sure that Berrick Barnes can’t get a backline to fire? He’s played way fewer matches at flyhalf than Cooper has. I don’t think he’s been given enough of a chance to find his rhythm. And I suspect that you might be basing too much of your judgment on Super Rugby form, which is both unfair on Barnes (and, in fact, unfair on anybody playing for a franchise as awful as the Waratahs) and irrelevant to Test rugby.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:57am
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
The reason Barnes has played far fewer games at 10 than cooper is because he has a tendency to get injured at inopportune times. B4 QC came into the picture in 2010 Deans’ first choice 10 was barnes as he wanted to knife giteau however barnes got injured on the eve of the NH tour in 2009 and lost his chance as cooper played a hand in the win against wales in the last test of the tour.
barnes is a decent player but his history of injuries has to be taken into consideration. If he goes down half way through match (as he has done so often before) then our plans are in disarray. I would prefer him of the bench if he is to be part of the wallaby set up.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:00am
Justin2 said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:00am | Report comment
Rob – I dont have a great memory of poarticular matches. No doubt some others on here will fill in some of your questions.
My recollections are generally that QC has played some brilliant footy v the Boks and not quite as well v ABs. Again Ill disagree with your assertion he plays badly more than he plays well v the sides. He wouldnt keep getting picked if that was the case IMO.
BB not getting a BL to fire is really pretty obvious. He is a kicking type, conservative 10. He has done bugger all at QLD and NSW as a 10 in turning out running, winning rugby unlike QC who was instrumental in QLD S15 win last year across the season.
You say S15 is irrelevant to getting a BL to fire. Well simply put if you cant do it there how do you expect him to do it with less time and better defence at Test level? You are kidding if you think he will suddenly become a running, creative fly half after what, 5-7 yrs of pro football…
August 8th 2012 @ 5:49pm
Rob from Brumby Country said | August 8th 2012 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
@Justin2 – Actually I said that Super Rugby form is not relevant in this case because they are playing for teams that are polar opposites. Cooper had the luxury of an excellent coach, an excellent pack, an excellent halves partner, and an excellent backline. Barnes had to play in a team featuring Michael Foley, Tom Carter and co. You’d be crazy to think that that didn’t have an effect on his Super Rugby performance.
But if you get him into the Wallabies, he can escape all of those negative influences. People complained about his standing deep in the pocket against Wales, but he had to do this to counter the Welsh rush up defence, and in doing so, this gave Will Genia more space to snipe around the ruck. Any savvy flyhalf would have done the same thing. It didn’t lead to a million tries, but it did get us the series victory. And that’s how we’re going to beat the Boks and All Blacks – not by being better than them, because quite frankly we aren’t. But by being smarter than them. And skilful though he undoubtedly is, Quade is not a smart flyhalf.
And I stand by my statement that Cooper has been more harm than good against the the Boks and ABs. I look forward to hearing objective evidence to the contrary, but I suspect it does not exist.
Justin, I don’t hate Quade. I just don’t think his style of rugby is suited to the Test arena, and I think it’s very easy to get carried away with all of his flashes of brilliance without actually having any proof that it’s doing any good. If he gets picked as the starting flyhalf I hope he proves me wrong, but I am concerned that he won’t and that we’re going to cop a few pastings along the way. We could be doing better with a smarter flyhalf.
@Jutsie – You’re right, Barne’s injuries are a problem. I’d still prefer to see him starting, however, maybe with Quade coming off the bench with 20 to go (and nothing to lose). I mean we’ve had injury-prone flyhalves before…
August 10th 2012 @ 4:02pm
Rory said | August 10th 2012 @ 4:02pm | Report comment
BARNES failed consistently for the Waratahs all year. Proved he can run and tackle, but his kicking was woeful most of the time, and his passing ordinary at best. Wouldn’t like to be one of the centres playing outside him. I think he proved he’s a player who implodes when under pressure.
August 8th 2012 @ 7:55am
formeropenside said | August 8th 2012 @ 7:55am | Report comment
Its not so much who is at 10, as who is outside him – the RWC showed that when QC has no threatening options save a blind winger coming off his wing, a large part of his game is nullified.
August 8th 2012 @ 8:08am
SandBox said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:08am | Report comment
QC for attack. If he implodes, replace him with Barnes 40-60min mark
August 8th 2012 @ 8:31am
soapit said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
agree with justin 2.
barnes will give you consistent, not quite good enough performances against the best.
two man of the match awards from noone else doing anything special in those games and him kicking all the goal. it would have gone to whoever was playing 10 those games.
cooper is the future and has ability if not consistency. perhaps the way to get consistency would be to actually give him game time? bit of long term vision needed. otherwise it could be oconnor for the future too (but he doesnt play there regularly). barnes has shown us everything he’s got to offer and we only squeaked past wales at home.
mind you it would help if they pick some centres with some amount of deception and subtlety. mccabe has apparantly improved but cant believe horne keeps getting a jersey.
August 8th 2012 @ 8:48am
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Its not the centres that were the issue at the WC for QC it was the forward pack, other than pockock not one forward had a great wc and without pocock we lost all facets of forward play against ireland and NZ were able to nullify him in the semi.
Its hard for small sized no. 9 like genia to handle the pressure when the forward pack is playing like a bunch of powder puffs and when genia is under pressure he transfers the poor quality to ball to QC who wasn’t mentally mature enough at the time to deal with it.
However I think deans has been selecting a better balance pack this year and I also believe (hope) that QC has learnt a few lessons from the WC and from his time off as he is willing to put his body on the line more this year whether it be defending in the 10 channel or taking the tackle instead of offloading panic ball to support.
However if he implodes again I would rather see beale at 10 and AAC at 15 than barnes at 10. Im glad that barnes was able to silent the critics during the wales series but he just doesnt have the x-factor that we need to beat the best.
August 8th 2012 @ 1:59pm
Dexter William said | August 8th 2012 @ 1:59pm | Report comment
Tactics and Strategy chosen by RD was the problem at the RWC. Played too conservatively for our backline to shine.
The game against the Boks was really silly play by WB. Yes we won, but all we did was defend and hope that the Boks do not score points.
Against NZ, we played one out attack with nothing creative. If RD wants to use QC properly, he should let him do those long passes and having the backline structured to play attacking running lines instead of safe one out attack. Our WB team played like England during the RWC. My view of RD changed during the RWC, he was very very disappointing. We went down jabbing without throwing the hooks and uppercuts and giving it the Aussie go.
BB should pack his bag and go to England, as he will be the right type of 10 to fit in nicely with English style of play. Why do we employ a coach that wants WB to play like England? We may as well stick with John Connelly – dread the thought.
August 8th 2012 @ 4:09pm
Justin2 said | August 8th 2012 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
Agreed around the startegy and it changing at the RWC. We had begun to play some decent rugby in the lead up despite some poor selections. Then RD panicked and went down the “RWCs are won by conservative teams so thats what we will become”.
It backfired and did not suit the players involved.
August 10th 2012 @ 6:39pm
Damo said | August 10th 2012 @ 6:39pm | Report comment
Jutsie regarding your hypothesis – iF Quade ‘implodes again’
Assumes that he actually did implode.
He had a poor world cup yes but that must be seen in context of his youth, his ‘crimes’ against the saint and nz mob abuse.
I think he did well in the circumstances.
But granted – he did not shine.
And this is another year, he is a year older and it seems a little wiser.
I may be wrong but he may rise above the crises of 2011 and grow to be great.
Unlike you I don’t think he is a spent force by any means.
Time, and wallaby parity with the NZ forward pack, will tell.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:39am
Bigbaz said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Barnes has never and will never own a game.A no 10 has to have that ability and only Cooper and Beale can do that for the Aussies at the moment.
August 19th 2012 @ 8:53am
james said | August 19th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
hahahah so funny its accutally the other way around. obviously u dont watch the games properly. its because of berrick that they won that game against wales. and has WON many games because of berrick.quade cooper is just a show pony and barnes has is an amazing player and true talent , yeah quade cooper has talent but isnt has good as barnes. quade cooper shouldn’t be played first over berrick it should be the other way around . Barnes get the most goals compared to quade cooper. quade is no perfect player. quade cooper misses more passes than berrick. you all who support quade are all talking through your hat.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:43am
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Henry stoking the fires again:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/the-rugby-championship/world-cup-winning-all-blacks-coach-identified-quade-cooper-as-the-wallabies-weakness-at-the-world-cup/story-e6frf4qc-1226445595800
August 8th 2012 @ 9:44am
Drop kick said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
The Barnes Beale combination is the right combo. They swap positions to provide the unpredictability, both are good defenders and are far more steady than Cooper.
August 8th 2012 @ 9:49am
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Graham Henry’s comments on QC from his biography (sourced from fox sports website):
“If Pocock represented the greatest threat, then Quade Cooper was plainly the weakest link. Coach Robbie Deans had taken him out of the front line, as had the Queensland Reds, because he was a suspect tackler. He doesn’t lack heart but defending is not his area of strength,” the book says.
“Dropping him back produced a weakness in Australia’s back three, not only on aerial skills but in a positional sense as well. The Irish took advantage of that; New Zealand could, too. When the All Blacks attacked, they looked for areas of natural weakness among the opposition. They didn’t need to employ the world’s greatest detective to identify this one.”
The musical chairs in defence was a huge mistake it left cooper open to being targeted by bombs in the last line of defence and also robbed us of our great counter attack threat. Henry basically confirms this above. So I think QC should only play ten if he is also going to defend at 10, we cant hide him in defence anymore.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:01am
Riccardo said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:01am | Report comment
Nice post Jutsie and entirely accurate.
I also agree with FOS that who’s around QC will influence his game and for that reason I also back the “Barnes at I/C” theory.
McCabe, clearly your best option, is gone and Barnes gives you the option of another playmaking kicker, albeit steady. His game lifted noticeably from Tah mediocrity when he donned the green and gold jumper.
But QC MUST tackle in the channel if he’s going to play IMO.
Having Beale at pivot is a waste of one of the best counter attacking full backs in the world IMO.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:05am
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
I like the idea of two playmakers at 10 and 12 but I worry about barnes and QC handling nonu/SBW in defence. Barnes will make tackles but SBW will still manage to make meters after contact.
Its a real shame that Leilafanno went down as I think he is the missing link.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:14am
Riccardo said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
“Its a real shame that Leilafanno went down as I think he is the missing link”
Couldn’t agree more. Plus no JOC/Taps. With these guys fit and firing the Wallaby backline would be traditionally scary.
Genia/Cooper/JOC/Leilafanno/Tapuai/Ioane/Beale. Mccabe/Mitchell on the bench for impact.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:18am
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:18am | Report comment
That would be my backline of choice too. Hopefully mitchell finds his pre-injury form and JOC recovers from the hamstring soon.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:47am
Justin2 said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Thats a quality backline with a good mix of skills and attributes. Certainly would be an up tempo mix, slight concern defensively but no BL is perfect.
August 8th 2012 @ 10:56am
Riccardo said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Yeah, I wondered about that too Justin, when I was posting it.
But Dammit! That backline would set the world on fire and it would be be enthralling viewing.
There is SOME rigidity but the defensive coah will have his work cut out while the attacking coach goes to the pub
August 8th 2012 @ 10:59am
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 10:59am | Report comment
Tapuai, Ioane and JOC are fine in defence. JOC and ioane have issue with reading play but thats usually when they come into the inside channels. On the wing they aren’t as exposed. Beale has improved alot in the defensive area since his early years at the tahs and rarely misses a tackle.
Im havent seen enough of CL to know what his like as a defender but he is big enough to play at 12 against guys like SBW/Nonu/Roberts.
August 8th 2012 @ 11:29am
Justin2 said | August 8th 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Ric and Juts – The defensive side wouldnt be “poor” but a number of those guys tend to slip off a tackle every now and then compared with an AF or PM. Still a mightly BL but every now and then it would let one slip through.
Juts your comments on the improved defence of KB are right on. From the little we have seen this year QC is heading in the same direction. Good signs for both players as they get towards the peak years of their careers.
August 8th 2012 @ 4:53pm
RebelRanger said | August 8th 2012 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
With 3 Melbournians in that backline the Rebels should be cut some slack.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:18am
Adam-15 said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:18am | Report comment
That is exactly the dream backline that i have in mind.
But for this test series, especially against the AB’s i would be very worried about having Quade starting at 10. If he starts at 10 he definitely needs a ball playing 12 on his outside. He hasnt shown yet that he can take all the pressure himself by having crash ball 12′s like McCabe. Beale doesnt need to be a ball player at the back, if he can concentrate on running through gaps and counter attacking with Barnes and Cooper providing for him then i think that is the right combination. On the other hand if barnes starts at 10, he does have the cool-headedness to take the pressure, but he needs someone better than A Fainga’a and McCabe at 12. Preferably Tapuai IMO. Although i am interested to see Anthony back in the 12 jumper for the first time in a while, but our weakest link will again be Horne. Yep he can tackle… what else? not good enough, not even close. Tapuai, Cummins, Smith and even Inman should be playing 13.
August 8th 2012 @ 12:09pm
Sluggy said | August 8th 2012 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
“Another option is for Deans to put Beale at 10, who shone for a lifeless Rebels side this season. However, he is by far and away the best fullback in the country and it would be a mistake to move him. ”
Disagree there.
Beale could well be the best 10 in the world, and more influence on the game from there. We don’t know because to fit him Cooper and Barnes in the team, he was moved to 15. Agree he is great there, but now, with Cooper not ready yet, would be a great time to put him at 10 with Barnes at 12. And AAC outside them at 13. With Mitchell and Iaone on the wings, one of the youngsters can play 15 (or Lachie Turner to wing and Drew to the back.) If you like AAC can go to 15 with one of the tackling machines at o/c.
August 8th 2012 @ 2:07pm
Kuruki said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
Beale at 10 will be a blessing. But not for the Wallabies. it will allow pressure to be put on him more easily and take away one of Australia’s biggest counter attacking threats.
August 8th 2012 @ 2:24pm
rl said | August 8th 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Beale was moved to 15 because he was a fail at 10 for the Tahs – not an epic fail, but a fail all the same. No issue with him moonlighting at 15 at different stages of a game, but as Riccardo has said above: “Having Beale at pivot is a waste of one of the best counter attacking full backs in the world IMO”. Can’t say it better myself.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:35pm
jeznez said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:35pm | Report comment
Riccardo, completely agree that QC must tackle in his channel if he is to play. I keep looking back to the Wallabies win in HK which was acheived with QC – followed up by the total failure against England.
Post the England game RD let it be known in public that if QC wanted to keep his position he had to take responsibility and tackle in the 10 jumper. That was followed by a huge improvement against Italy and then the demolishing of France.
Unfortunately from that point where we saw QC developing and owning his spot – his next match was for the Reds where the defensive switch was back on. When RD finally got his hands on QC again he follwed Link and maintained the switch role. Big mistake in my opinion.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:45pm
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:45pm | Report comment
A good lesson to all concerned that what works at super level does not necessarily work at test level. The intensity and high speed of a test match does not allow players to be hidden from the firing line.
August 8th 2012 @ 3:49pm
jeznez said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
Jutsie -
“didn’t need to employ the world’s greatest detective to identify this one”
is that a Batman reference from GH?
August 8th 2012 @ 3:54pm
Jutsie said | August 8th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
Lol his jumping on the dark knight rises bandwagon in the hope it increases book sales