Bellamy and Smith to swap clubs in 2013?
By ScottWoodward.me, 9 Aug 2012 ScottWoodward.me is a Roar Guru
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High profile coaches Craig Bellamy and Brian Smith are both in need of a change of clubs. Depending on the results of the remaining five rounds it may happen as early as 2013.
Bellamy, along with Wayne Bennett, is regarded as one of the top two rugby league coaches. Many experts predict he will retire as the game’s best ever coach.
He was lured to the Melbourne Storm by John Ribot (who also signed Wayne Bennett to the Broncos) and his winning strike rate since 2008 is an astonishing 68%.
He has achieved this by not purchasing any high profile players. Bellamy prefers to develop his own list and rejuvenate players many considered “past it”.
He is the chief reason why rugby league is on the map in Melbourne and why fullback Billy Slater enjoys an AFL type profile.
The feeling is that he has done it all down south and is looking for a new challenge. Although he is contracted to the Storm until the end of next season, he may request an exit if the right job comes up for him in his home state of NSW.
Bellamy was born is the mining town of Portland in the Central Tablelands, named after Australia’s first cement works, only two hours’ drive from Sydney.
It will be difficult for Brian Smith to fulfil his contact to the end of next year if the Roosters complete the season poorly. They have a difficult draw including an away game against the Raiders, before taking on high profile teams Wests Tigers and the Bulldogs.
A trifecta of losses in the remaining rounds would likely see Smith get a tap on the shoulder.
The Roosters, who played in the grand final only two years ago, have only won seven of their 20 games this year and have conceded over 500 points at an average of 25 points per game.
It has been a rollercoaster ride for Smith and his Roosters but there is no doubt that the wheel has turned. Nothing short of a string of wins and a change of attitude from his players is likely to save him.
If Smith was to leave the Roosters, it would fast track negotiations for Bellamy to move to Moore Park 12 months early. It would be a perfect fit with so many young talented kids on the list and the promise of one of the world’s great athletes, Sonny Bill Williams, set to run out on the SFS next season.
Ironically, Brian Smith could find himself as the Blues mentor next year, although he would be in demand in the U.K. and maybe even at the Raiders, or as a clean swap to the Storm.
The Roosters have shown in the past that they can be creative and generally get their man, but to move Craig Bellamy from Melbourne to Sydney would be a massive coup and would require deep pockets.
Bellamy’s salary alone would be $1m, but he also has a huge support staff that he would want to take with him. Like Bellamy, they are part of a very attractive superannuation plan that News put in place for the Storm.
Current coach Brian Smith would have to be paid out, so all up the cost could be between $2m to $3m.
The Roosters are currently challenging for the wooden spoon and struggle to attract a crowd of over 10,000 fans to a game.
Bellamy and Sonny Bill Williams are both cast iron winners and would almost guarantee success. With success comes the fans and the sponsors.
$3m could be cheap.
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August 9th 2012 @ 6:28am
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 6:28am | Report comment
Not sure about that happening ??? Craig’s in no hurry to jump ship right now … It’s best we wait for the results from 2012 and 2013, but if Craig was to leave, I’m sure Cameron Smith, Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk will have a big input into who coaches the Storm … Right here, right now, Bellamy, the Storm boys and their fans only have this Friday’s game against the Titan’s in their focus … GO THE MIGHTY STORM !!!
August 9th 2012 @ 9:26am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:26am | Report comment
trooper,
Thats all true…….but if the Roosters do not finish well and the Storm say win the P”ship everything changes. What is almost certain is that Craig will jump it is just when. The Storm should built a monument for him.
August 9th 2012 @ 10:53am
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Uuummmm … The 2012 Premiership is a little ways off, let alone anything else, and this years winner is anyone’s guess ??? Nothing is a given, and, even my copious amounts of faith, belief and pride in what the Storm can achieve, may not be enough to will them to a Premiership win … No wonder the Roosters 14th position on the NRL ladder is enough to make Brian Smith want to fly the coop, and, it wouldn’t impress Mr Bellamy, and neither would coaching Sonny Bill Williams either – He’s not exactly in the same category as Smith, Slater or Cronk professionally or personally, and, he’s a long way off the mark where discipline and dedication is concerned … Who knows or cares where OR what Williams or the Roosters will be doing in 2013 or 2014 – IT’S ALL A BIT PIE IN THE SKY !!! We all talk about Craig’s professional life, but of course he also has a personal life, that gets over-looked … When Bellamy took up his coaching post at the Storm, about a decade ago, his family didn’t make the transition from Queensland (not NSW), to the thriving metropolis of Melbourne, which in anyone’s life would test the best relationship/s – But, just as Craig has stayed committed through the good and the bad with his club and team, everything looks pretty sound on the home front too … Although his now adult children still reside in Queensland, his wife only recently pulled up stumps to be with her rugby league and Melbourne Storm loving hubby – pool table and all, so it’s been said … Recent reports stated that Craig Bellamy isn’t even thinking about where he’ll be in 2013, let alone 2014 and that he loves living in Melbourne and he loves coaching the Melbourne Storm … That’ll do me !!!
August 9th 2012 @ 11:10am
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Ok what makes you think that if Bellamy does go some of those players cannot move to the Roosters. Most players and managers insist on a coach clause. All three is a stretch but SBW is up there with those 3 I think he is going to have some injury concerns but he is as bigger threat to any defence line as slater, smith or cronk.
Secondly my I moved for work for an offer I could not refuse and my wife loved it until her sister started having kids etc etc Bellamy’s wife love’s Melbourne she might until her adult kids start knocking out grandkids…. If they have not already. Having said that it does not make the roosters anymore attactive.
Lastly I think modern coaches want change … It can help their legacy …
August 9th 2012 @ 12:24pm
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:24pm | Report comment
PLANKO – I don’t know anything just like you or even “the GURU” – IT’S ALL HYPOTHETICAL, what is said, what we read, what we see, what we perceive … OPINION !!! Means nothing – whatever tomorrow brings – change of circumstances – change of mind … My perception is that Craig will honour his contract at the Storm until end of 2014, as will Cameron Smith – 2013, Billy Slater -2014 and Cooper Cronk – 2016 … All three footballers have only had 1 COACH and all are “MATES” (whatever that means today) – ALL born 1983 – 29 y/o and could still play at the top for another 5 years – ALL QUEENSLANDERS (where their families live) – ALL PASSIONATE – ALL want to be 1 CLUB WONDERS (if they can) – ALL referred to as THE BEST – ALL RESPECTED by their peers and ALL WANTED by other clubs (unlike 10 years ago) … All clubs, coaches and players want to win a Premiership – The Storm have already done that, and so have Craig, Cam, Billy and Coop’s (nothing can or will eraze that) … So, why haven’t these men moved on to greener pastures ??? Haven’t they been “a team” long enough ??? Haven’t they jumped enough hurdles, been though the highs and lows and dealt with enough crap together ??? So the question still needs to be asked, “why have they remained “stuck like glue”, and, “if that is to continue, who pulls the pin and when” ??? OR is it more like, “if it ain’t broke, why change it?” As far as fans go, and I may be the only one who thinks like this, but I doubt that – THINGS DO COME TO AN END, BUT NOT JUST YET !!!
August 10th 2012 @ 6:54am
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 10th 2012 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Planko, well maybe, just maybe, Mrs Bellamy is more like me or maybe Slater’s mother … Infact, I don’t know anyone who moved away from home and had or expected their parents to rearrange their lives, because their child or sister decided to have children … I live in NQ, and my son’s children where born in Melbourne and now reside in Perth due to my sons career arrangements … I’m sure my hubby knows, I’m not going to pull up stumps to live in their pockets, and they wouldn”t want me too, no matter how good a relationship we had … What do they say, you can’t live there lives for them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t on my mind every day … It might also amaze you that there have been many times that Smith, Cronk and Slater’s famiily don’t make it to every game they play either, whether they are Grand Finals, SOO or for Australia … Infact earlier this year when the Storm played in Townsville, Billy travelled with his little girl, so she could see her grandparents and aunty, while his wife and son stayed back in Melbourne … Cam also has a young family, and, even though the boys have all lived in Melbourne for a decade, their families, have resisted the urge to move down south, choosing to keep the home fires burning up here in Queensland …
August 9th 2012 @ 8:03am
planko said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:03am | Report comment
Scott , Interesting idea… I wonder if that would create problems for the storm as players seem to have these clause’s that allow them to leave if the coach goes. I reckon he is good no doubt Scott but he is being built up to the point that only a top 4 spot would be a pass for EASTS next with SBW …
Scott how has Manly’s new recruit going at Melbourne Richard Fa’aoso…. I have not watched many storm games since he got there …
August 9th 2012 @ 9:28am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Richard Fa’aoso,
Always makes a good impact when he comes on but has a few mistakes in his game. Manly are lucky that he will get a free coaching lesson from Bellamy before he becomes a Sea Eagle.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:53am
planko said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Soctt I am getting grief over on Prentice’s bloody Merritt blog. I have not said on there I live in YASS and most of his relatives think he is great but none of them have ever said that he deserves a SOO jumper.
Manly Vs Souths got a free tip for me on the line for once Manly are not favourite’s HEAD to HEAD Tom is offering $2 I think for once i might be backing MANLY… Your thoughts ?
August 9th 2012 @ 2:14pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:14pm | Report comment
Plank
Id like to know if King is playing for Manly.
August 9th 2012 @ 2:17pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Fair enough I am going to presume he is not If does it will be for show and thus needled up and less effective. It would be dumb IMO to play him semi fit. It is an important game but Manly could still make the 4 and loose it. Tom must know something at he seems to be 10 cents better than anyone else !
August 9th 2012 @ 8:25am
The Bush said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Geez if Bellamy is going to be the greatest coach ever (or most successful), he’d wanna start winning stuff – no premierships and no series victories as Origin Coach…
Bellamy is certainly a great identifier of talent, or at least developer of it, as shown by Smith, Cronk, Inglish, Folau and Slater, but I do find it funny that in 2011, the first season he has a legitimate team for half a decade, he doesn’t win the comp and then this season, losses his best player and the team drops about five (5) on the trot…
August 9th 2012 @ 8:39am
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Seriously funny. You could say he cant win Jack without cheating …. Does anyone reckon he did not know ?
August 9th 2012 @ 8:57am
Mals said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Yep of course Bellamy knew, he wasn’t the assistant water boy.
August 9th 2012 @ 2:18pm
The Bush said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
Makes you wonder (I was saying it with my tongue in my cheek to some degree, there’s no debating he’s a fine coach).
August 9th 2012 @ 9:27am
eagleJack said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Bush, but what he achieved in 2011 was pretty remarkable. To win the minor premiership after having had his playing roster decimated was a great achievement. They only just fell short of the GF.
And all teams go through slumps throughout a 24 game year. It would be a very brave man to write off the Storm for this year. Bellamy is an incredible man manager, motivator and tactician. They are still favourites in my eyes.
I agree with Scott that he is certainly up there as the best in the business. Anybody who can get Bryan Norrie even mentioned for rep teams deserves all the kudos in the world.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:53am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Jack
Good call……
Have you noticed how Jason Ryles is not a “mistake freak” anymore. The Storm are always under 10 errors – remarkable.
August 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm
The Bush said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:22pm | Report comment
eagleJack,
Certainly winning the Minor Premiership last year was a good feat and form slumps are definately a common occurance during a long season, especially in a unique competition like the NRL that has Origin to impact on certain teams.
I was only saying it slightly in jest, mainly because I find Scott’s style of writing to be one in which his opinions sound like fact, rather than opinions, so I thought I’d share some “facts” to counter his. For example the comment that Bellamy has “done it all” down south is factually incorrect, he’s never won a single Premiership with the Storm – surely he want’s to achieve this before he leaves.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:41am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Bush,
Different people judge people differently. I can tell you as an analyst that no coach rates higher when ratings are being put together. I watch a lot of footy and talk to a lot of people who make a living from the game and they all think Bellamy is the best.
I believe that several clubs have done and are still doing what Bellamy was accused of. You can have an open cheque book and unless you can coach who will not get far.
Let me repeat: BELLAMY HAS NEVER PURCHASED A HIGH PROFILE PLAYER OR STOLEN ANOTHER TOP PLAYER FROM ANOTHER CLUB.
I am expecting to ARLC to give the Storm back their Grand Final. When they won it in 2009 it was the fourth consecetive year Melbourne played in the grand final under Bellamy.
August 9th 2012 @ 10:06am
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Scott Matt Orford was going alright in 2000 before he went where ? I think he is a very good coach …. But you can’t tell me he did not know the club was cheating ? Crocker only went there cause the Coogee Bay Hotel had barred him for 2 years (tongue in cheek). He did not steal crocker but he was high profile !
August 9th 2012 @ 10:42am
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Btw I know Bellamy was not there when they got Orford my mistake….
August 9th 2012 @ 12:33pm
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
CRAIG BELLAMY – 2003 to 2014 … MATT ORFORD – 2001 – 2005 … Matt Orford was 23y/o in his first year at the Storm, 27y/o when he left … He bought something special to the Storm and those five years where THE BEST YEARS OF HIS CAREER … How quick time flies he is now 34y/o …
August 9th 2012 @ 12:50pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
My point was that he arrived before Bellamy….. Hence why I said my mistake…
Seriously best years at Melbourne ? I would have thought Captaining a team to a premiereship might have been high on his personal bucket list or even getting the D M Player of the Year might be high on his list of career highlights and he did these at where ? Not Melbourne !!!
August 9th 2012 @ 1:24pm
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
Amazingly, Matt Orford did not represent his State or Country, although I thought him to be good enough to, and unlucky not to … He was named the Storm’s player of the Year in 2004 … In 2006 he took up the captaincy of Manly … In 2008 Manly beat the Storm in the GF and Matt won the DM Player of the Year in 2008, ahead of Billy Slater … It’s been said that Slater narrowly missed out on the 2008 Dally M Medal, Player of the Year, finishing 2 points behind Matt Orford. A one week suspension in round 19 deducted 3 points from Slater’s tally, which would have won him the medal and Slater went on to win the Rugby League World Golden Boot Award as the best player in the world … AND HE STILL IS !!!
Maybe Matt Orfords points record at the Storm and Manly speaks best of his career …
2001–05 Melbourne Storm PLAYED – 120, TRIES – 52, GOALS – 333, F/GOALS – 3, PTS – 877
2006–09 Manly-Warringah PLAYED – 98, TRIES – 17, GOALS – 242, F/GOALS – 9, PTS – 561
August 9th 2012 @ 1:50pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
You cannot be serious about you stats for one your tries total is only reflective of the fact that he played one more season there not in the quality of the seasons but the quantity. He rarely kicked goals for us cause we had a better kicker!!!
Lastly I have not mentioned slater once so I am unsure as to why he rates a mention. He didn’t win the Dally M that year cause he did not get enough points plain and simple. He got suspended I sure cause of KARMA. Trust me he has more coming.
August 10th 2012 @ 2:24pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 10th 2012 @ 2:24pm | Report comment
Trooper
Matt Orford only won the Dally M because Slater was outed. The award lost a heap of credibility that year as orford was give 3 points in later games when he was clearly not in the top 3.
August 9th 2012 @ 3:48pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
Planko
I disagree with Croker and have him as a wonderer. He is very good off the field with the kids and players love having him around, that is a big deal for a coach. But as a player, I think he has been long for a long while.
August 9th 2012 @ 11:49am
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:49am | Report comment
I’ve always believed “WE WOULD OVER COME” and “THERE WOULD COME A DAY!” I never gave in and I’ll never give up expecting that the ARLC would consider reinstating the penalties against the Melbourne Storm, not only their rightful 2009 Grand Final honour, but all the honours they achieved as a team since 2006 (including the 2007 premiership and 2006, 2007 and 2009 minor premierships and their 2010 World Club Challenge title … Unfortunately the ARLC can’t change the decision not to allow them to finish the 2010 NRL season (of which 75% was still to be played), and last place being their only prospect, even if their performances that year and the points they would have acquired if counted, would have had them compete in the 2010 finals and one can only guess what would have been possible … These penalties and the almost $1.7 million financial penalty paid by the club was all that attributed to “a supposed fraudulent crime” of SUPER-MEGA-STAR proportions never seen before, which after all the hullaballoo didn’t produce sufficient evidence to bring criminal charges before the courts … NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY CEO, ADMINISTRATOR, DIRECTOR, COACH, PLAYER OR WHISTLE-BLOWER HAVE BEEN OR MAY NEVER BE CONVICTED for the second largest sporting crime in the world – EVER !!! WHY ??? INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE !!! TWO YEARS ALONG – THE HEAD-HUNTERS ARE GONE, whilst, THE THE COACHES go on training, and, THE PLAYERS still compete in THE NRL … NO ONE can mend the broken hearts, but the bridges are slowly mending and the spirit and desire to succeed are the rewards reaped for THE ACCUSED, THE FANS and the game of RUGBY LEAGUE grows in leaps and bounds for the many, and stranger then it would seem for most, without the DICTATORS, who some say jumped the gun and the PERPETRATORS who left their stench in their wake !!!
August 9th 2012 @ 12:11pm
Chop said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
There’s a difference between breaking the law and cheating outside of the regulations set up in a competition.
Where’s Waldron now? He’s gone, agents have been penalised.
Stop your whinging, Melbourne cheated got found out and deserved to have EVERYTHING taken from them.
Talk about no one can mend the broken heart, what about the broken hearts of teams that lost finals and matches to a team that was CHEATING ?
Just like the storm troopers in Star Wars, you’re on the dark side of the argument.
August 9th 2012 @ 12:11pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
There are 12 step programs out there …. Admitting there was problem would be a start and everyone was in on it.
That is right BELLAMY , SMITH , INGLIS , SLATER, CRONK….. All knew… Denial means you are back to step one !
August 9th 2012 @ 2:07pm
Tony Archers Maroon Underwear said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:07pm | Report comment
Well said Chop
They CHEATED and ripped off RL fans everywhere and turned the comp into an international joke. Bellamy Slater Cronk Smith and the rest of the players with dodgy contracts and pay arrangements should’ve have been banned for a couple of years. NRL was simply too weak to go after players and coach, apparently they’re bigger than the game
August 9th 2012 @ 3:49pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 3:49pm | Report comment
Tony
Harsh!
August 9th 2012 @ 8:00pm
Tony Archers Maroon Underwear said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:00pm | Report comment
Sure is fair
What did Dell cop for having a bit of coke, he didn’t hurt anybody nor did he gain any competitive advantage over his opponents (if anything the compete opposite)
Yet the Storm cheated everyone and rorted their way to premierships and through every game for years and years.
But the NRL chooses to whistle and look the other way when it comes to these players and coach.
The punishment to the club was fair, but what about the individuals involved in the conspiracy (which is what it was), I cant believe anyone seriously believes the players had no idea, and Bellamy well you can give me a wedgie if he didn’t know.
August 9th 2012 @ 7:29pm
josh said | August 9th 2012 @ 7:29pm | Report comment
also fair
August 9th 2012 @ 2:25pm
The Bush said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
Scott,
Which Grand Final are you expecting the Storm to get back from the ARLC, 2007 or 2009? Why would one be different to the other? I ask honestly because I either can’t remember or didn’t listen closely enough to the difference – I thought they ran two (2) account books throughout the process, hence why they were stripped of both? Anyway, happy for Bellamy if he can get at least one Premiership back…
I have no doubt that your knowledge as an analyst and commentator on League is well beyond mine and the contacts you discuss him with would surely know – still, I’d rather have Hasler (who I consider the best coach in the game right now) or Bennetts titles than whatever reputation Bellamy may have (which for me surely is always tainted by the Storm fiasco).
August 9th 2012 @ 2:45pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
TheBush , Scott or anyone else,
Who got the money when they were fined and did the clubs that LOST to Melbourne ever get for winning ? Just curious ?
August 9th 2012 @ 3:55pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 3:55pm | Report comment
Bush
Fair enuff. Des does a lot of funny things I cannot fathom like when he brought an injured Matai who could not lift his arm back on in the Gf when he had a fit Dean Whare. This allowed NZ to run straight over him to score a try and give them a hope of a surprise win. Really dumb!
I repeat that Matai and Watmough never improved their silly errors under Des.
August 9th 2012 @ 5:06pm
eagleJack said | August 9th 2012 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
Scott, pretty certain Whare wasn’t in the 17.
August 9th 2012 @ 11:30am
Renegade said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Except the fact he won a minor premiership last year…..
Maybe he should do what Des Hasler does and start buying premierships instead of developing his own squad – food for thought!
August 9th 2012 @ 12:03pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
LOL …. Renegade/Oikee
August 9th 2012 @ 2:26pm
The Bush said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
At least Hasler goes on with it…
August 9th 2012 @ 8:37am
Mals said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Brian Smith should resign & walk off into the sunset.
Nearly 30 years of coaching without a premiership, 4 NRL Grand Finals for 4 losses… the “nearly man” of rugby league. Of the NRL teams he has coached none of them have since gone on to win a Grand Final except the Dragons who did so against a Roosters team coached by yep you guessed it Brian Smith haha.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:46am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Mals
Since Brian started as coach at the Dragons in 1991 he has always achieved over 50% except when he went to the Knights and I think he did a great job their setting it up without Andrew Johns.
To be honest, it is hard to knock his record, but he clearly has a patten that says his impact drops off after 2 years.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:59am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Mals
FYI Smithy did coach Bradford to win the ’96 Challenge Cup Final which is a big deal in the UK. plus 4 GF runners up here is better than most.
August 9th 2012 @ 10:37am
Matthew said | August 9th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Smithy did not win the challenge cup in 1996 Bradford lost 40-32 after leading 26-12
August 9th 2012 @ 8:53am
Gareth said | August 9th 2012 @ 8:53am | Report comment
I’d really like to see Bellamy try his hand at another club. So far he’s proved that he can win lots of games with a handful of elite players, and lose lots of games against those same elite players. I don’t think either are a fair gauge of his talent, but if he can take a less impressive roster, particularly one without a strong spine, to great heights – then he deserves his reputation as one of the best.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:48am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Gareth
Thanks mate and you make exactly the point that I think Craig will want for himself. He is very competitive and love achieving. Those elite players that you talked about were developed by him, he never went to the market and purchased them.
August 9th 2012 @ 3:56pm
Meesta Cool said | August 9th 2012 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
When Bellamy signed the last deal with Melbourne he openly stated that once his tenure was complete, he would not be coaching at NRL level… I have seen nothing except this trolling article to suggest otherwise.
Roosters do have one thing in their favour, they have the most talented recruitment officer inn the league, look at some of the kids that are making it into the Roosters side and you can see that he hasn’t lost the ability to ‘find’ another Falou!.
But Bellamy for Smith, I certainly hope NOT!. maybe Kearney, he is a much better coach than those Clowns at Parramatta let him be!.
August 10th 2012 @ 2:25pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 10th 2012 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
Meesta
Why wud u not want Bellamy?
August 9th 2012 @ 12:26pm
Ian Masterton said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
There’s a franchise this side of the Tasman that meets those requirements….
Less impressive roster … check,
Without a strong spine … check,
Excellent youth and u20′s set up … check.
It would be worth it, just for the camera panning up to the coaches box after yet another butchered try or glaring missed tackle.
Serious point though, geography aside I reckon the Warriors would be a great next step for Bellamy.
August 9th 2012 @ 12:54pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
They should of just kept Ivan !!!
August 10th 2012 @ 2:26pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 10th 2012 @ 2:26pm | Report comment
Ian
More like Kearney
August 9th 2012 @ 9:03am
Eric George said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Why does Bellamy have to go? Bennett had quite a few wobbly seasons at the Broncos where they looked good and fell apart after Origin. They let him stay, and he took them to another premiership.
August 9th 2012 @ 9:50am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Eric,
He doesnt have to go but if he stays till after 2013 it will be ten years and a new challenge awaits. He is a NSW boy and Bennett was a Qlander.
August 9th 2012 @ 11:25am
Glenn said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:25am | Report comment
Bellamy isn’t just going to give up because he wants a new challenge. I can’t see him doing a Kevin Sheedy (although I’d love him to, as a Storm supporter) but I don’t think he’s just going to up and leave like Bennett has twice now. The club means more to him than that, and you can’t tell him he hasn’t won two premierships or hasn’t won anything in his career.
August 9th 2012 @ 11:43am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
Glenn
He has been wonderful and we all know what he has done.
My view is that he will be in Sydney coaching in 2014 and maybe earlier depending on results and circumstances.
August 9th 2012 @ 11:41am
Brett McKay said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
one minor question, Scott:
Wouldn’t Billy Slater be the chief reason why fullback Billy Slater enjoys an AFL type profile in Melbourne?
August 9th 2012 @ 11:51am
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 11:51am | Report comment
Brett,
Who do you think developed Billy into a first grader and put him into the fullback position and did such a good job, he kept GI out? Ask Billy who is responsible for making him into the great player he is.
Brett, you sound cynical and maybe not a Bellamy fan.
I have not seen any other coach do what he has done without buying big to get star players to join. Bennett had the advantage of being the only Brisbane club and the others have tried to buy a p’ship.
August 9th 2012 @ 12:12pm
Brett McKay said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Of course Bellamy gave him his chance Scott, and of course Bellamy now constructs a game plan around Slater’s running game and obvious talents. My point is that Slater himself made the most of those opportunities and it’s his natural talents that make him one of the more exciting players of the modern game. But I would imagine if you asked the average AFL fan in Melbourne if they liked about Billy Slater, their answer would make little mention of Craig Bellamy.
Bellamy’s a very good coach, don’t get me wrong, but whether I’m a fan or not doesn’t matter a jot. And the only cynicism here is toward your statement about Slater’s profile, hence the question.
The Storm’s success and following in Melbourne can certainly be attributed to Bellamy’s coaching, but Slater’s own profile is surely based on his talent and his ability to bring a crowd to its feet.
August 9th 2012 @ 1:26pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Brett,
Yep.
Had he stayed in QLand and played for the Broncos, he may not have ever been tried as a fullback and just played left wing. He would have had Lockyer in front of him , then Karmichael Hunt who also kept him out of the Maroons fullback job.
He is certainly a wonderful player. I am keen to see if he can find his best form as he had 2 shockers in Origin and if they picked a National team next week he would not get in on form, but he would get in.
August 9th 2012 @ 1:57pm
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Scott, Billy Slater did have discussions with the Bronco’s, but, like Ben Barba, was told he was too small … No stopping determination and destiny though – Slater is where he is, where he is supposed to be and achieving goals most only get an opportunity to dream about, and others have achieved, but far less humbly … Not sure what you on about regarding Slater’s SOO “shockers”, so you deam … He didn’t have a blinder in the first, but he was solid and opportunities didn’t arise, but he was there and scored around about an 8 from those, could be, if they would be Origin critics … In game 2 Slater played on one leg – the other one was put out of action by the opposition … Some how he scored a 5, not any worse then half of his team … Funny how folks somehow think Slater is a rugby league ROBOT on AUTO-PILOT … Hands up to anyone wanting to take on the modern day fullback position, let alone replace Billy Slater ??? HE IS THE BEST FULLBACK IN THE GAME, THE BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME (ask his fellow players) and HE DESERVES EVERYTHING HE GETS, including AWARDS, STATE AND NATIONAL SELECTION … That’s the problem with some league fans and why players deflate quicker then their mediocre rise to fame … The very reason the likes of Hayne, Sandow and Soward find it so difficult to live up to the media and public hype – WHO’S NEXT – BARBA !!! They are nothing more then a human being, the son of a mother and father, meagre men who chose to play rugby league, because most wouldn’t be much good for anything else …
August 9th 2012 @ 12:58pm
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
You’re right Scott, Billy did say that Craig Bellamy made him the player that he is … But, Billy will also agree, albiet humbly, that “the talent seed” was already there – An inherited athletic and league ability via his father and his mother – He trusts their advice … Rugby league has always been a big deal on both sides of Billy’s family … It’s been said, that when Billy was a baby his grandmother put a football in his cot and bequeathed him a right of passage to play for Australia … You might like to check the authenticity of that tale out with Ron and Judy …
August 9th 2012 @ 1:08pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
WOW now it’s the Punch and Judy show ! Not questioning your data but who did Ron play for ?
August 9th 2012 @ 3:42pm
I'mastormtrooper2 said | August 9th 2012 @ 3:42pm | Report comment
Well PLANKO, Firstly, what one needs to understand is that 40 + years ago, rugby league was a vastly different game … Prior to 1980 players were only selected for interstate matches on the basis of where they were playing their club football at the time, making it very difficult for talented footballers outside of Brisbane and Sydney to have an opportunity to be considered for the State or National rep teams … This, and the fact that although Billy Slater took a leap of faith and drove from Innisfail to Brisbane in the hope of getting a break, that opportunity was not privvy for most of Queensland’s tough and talented players north and north west of Brisbane … The Slater family hail from Innisfail in FNQ, which most know … Ron, who played lock, is now 60y/o, played in the days, when the game and the playing fields where rough and ready – worked 40 hours a week and played for the love of the game, with little or no remuneration for doing so – No plane flights in those days, it was either rail (a very slow trip) or a bus on death defying roads, AND, for the fans, nothing more than a transistor radio to get up to date news on the game … Ron represented Innisfail/Eacham and Mount Isa in the legendary diehard North Queensland Foley competition and also played for the Brisbane based Redcliffe Dolphines and on the Sunshine Coast, and most who new him, watched him or played with him know where Billy gets his football talent and brain … He also coached Billy and with obvious respect for his “old man”, he often says his father was the biggest influence on his career … And, recently when an ABC commentator reminded Billy, just how good a league player his father was … Billy said, “Yeah, I know mate, he tells me!” … Like, many of Northern Queensland players from yesteryear, who have had or now have sons playing in the NRL, and there are many, I would suspect Billy’s response wouldn’t surprise them, because Dad or someone would have told them their fathers where much better then just good … Billy’s uncle, Terry Simonsen on his mother’s side, was also a Foley Shield representative and a very good athlete, and Billy’s grandfather, Noel, was a referee …
August 10th 2012 @ 7:24am
PLANKO said | August 10th 2012 @ 7:24am | Report comment
Ok i was not taking the mick I was interested as being 60 put’s him in at the era of the late 60′s to early 80′s my father, step fathers friends and uncle’s who played for Manly and Norths. All played during this time. Players made more then and had more opportunities in this era …. Players of the current era are getting screwed.
August 9th 2012 @ 1:29pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Trooper
I wudnt mind havn a cuppa with his grandma and ask her to bequeath a couple of request I have on me. How proud she must be.
August 9th 2012 @ 1:58pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Scott can you still fit in cot ? Bloody big cot !!! It is a nice story though. Does anyone know who Ron played for ?
August 9th 2012 @ 12:05pm
MG Burbank said | August 9th 2012 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
With due respect, there are a lot of problems in this article.
Best coach of all time? Winning percentages are deceptive- Bellamy certainly should take some credit for assisting in the development of Smith, Slater, Cronk, Inglis etc. and a lot more credit for instituting an excellent system and watertight defence within which they were able to achieve success. However, let’s see how he does with average cattle around him. It’s about the players and he’s always had very good teams to work with. Having said that, I do agree that he’s very good at maximizing the players he has.
What about Hasler? He must be considered a contender for ‘best coach’. Unlike Bellamy, he took a team that was not particularly good and built it into a multiple title winner. Now he’s doing the same at Canterbury.
I highly doubt Craig Bellamy, after so many successful years at the Storm, would jump ship to go to a mediocre team in the Roosters, no matter how many talented youngsters they have. Conversely, the Storm would not want to bring a veteran coach like Smith in; history shows they’ll continue to hire young, dynamic, innovative coaches.
August 9th 2012 @ 1:51pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:51pm | Report comment
MG,
Sit down and take a pill and I will set you straight on a couple of things, if you are prepared to be objective:
1. I did NOT say “best coach of all time”. I said: “Bellamy, along with Wayne Bennett, is regarded as one of the top two rugby league coaches. Many experts predict he will retire as the game’s best ever coach.” OK got it!
2.You dont call these guys average cattle? Jason Ryles, Bryan Norrie, Rory Kostjasyn, Richie Fa’aoso, Todd Lowrie, Jaiman Lowe, Jack Afamassanga, Anthony Quinn and Sisa Waqa.He won a minor Prem with those “ordinary cattle” last year.
3.Hasler is certainly in the top 3. His players make more errors and do not defend as well as Bellamys overall. Guys like Matai and Watmough just never got it from Des. Des is a genius and putting brilliant people around him like Clayton Kearney etc. I would love to see him win the title this year.
4. If you think the Roosters will have a “mediocre’ team next you you dont understand RL very well.
5. You may be correct about the Storm not wanting Smithy, but the very first coach that Ribot hired was a veteran called Chris Anderson, then another called Mark Murray before he went for Bennett’s assistant Bellamy.
August 9th 2012 @ 1:57pm
MG Burbank said | August 9th 2012 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
Why so defensive?
Um… regarding point no 2, he also had…. THE GREATEST FULLBACK AND HOOKER ALL OF TIME AND THE BEST HALFBACK IN THE COMP. Those three players would make ANY team competitive.
Manly’s players “make more errors”? Did you even watch last year’s season and GF?
The Roosters are worse than mediocre this year. Please explain how James Maloney and SBW, plus the loss of Anasta, is going to suddenly turn them into a contender.
You said Mark Murray was a ‘veteran’. Please list his accomplishments as an NRL coach before he took the Storm job.
Keep working on what you’re doing, Scott. I’m sure you’ll improve over time.
August 9th 2012 @ 2:09pm
PLANKO said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
MG all Manly supporters say when they meet a melbourne supporter 40 – NIL ! 40- NIL ! 40- NIL ! No many errors that day. Btw the best Half Back is not Cronk. It is DCE…..
August 9th 2012 @ 2:30pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 9th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
MG
I am not defensive just correcting your obvious errors. You tend to read something and then put your own twist on the actual words. Stick to the facts MG.
FYI: AS usual the Storm are number 1 for least errors on 9.4 per game in 2012 with Manly 5th.
Last year when the Storm won the MP (under the cap) Manly were third for least errors on 10.3 before winning the GF when they only made an even 10 errors (Warriors 16) and not one from a forward.
On Murray he was selected by Ribot which was a rare mistake, but your incorrect point was that the Storm never appoint a veteran coach.
Yes the Roosters are mediocre this year but my entire article was about 2013. I have no opinion of Maloney and dont understand why they got him but they do have THE best bunch of 20 – 23 yo in the NRL who will do well next year.