The ARC five years on: What might have been
By Brett McKay, 10 Aug 2012 Brett McKay is a Roar Expert
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Wallaby Chris Latham (left) of the East Coast Aces (Gold Coast) and Melbourne Rebels captain and former Wallaby David Croft share a joke at Olympic Park in Melbourne, Friday, Aug. 17, 2007. The pair will face off when their respective sides meet in round two of the Australia Rugby Championship at Olympic Park tomorrow night. (AAP Image/Julian Smith)
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Hard to believe but this weekend marks five years to the day since the inaugural and ultimate – as it turned out – Australian Rugby Championship kicked off back in 2007.
The tournament kicked off with two Friday night games on August 10, at North Sydney Oval and Perth’s then Member’s Equity Stadium (now nib Stadium), followed on the Saturday and Sunday afternoons by ABC-telecast matches at Canberra’s Manuka Oval and Carrara Stadium on the Gold Coast, respectively.
I know all this for two reasons.
Firstly, I was at the Canberra Vikings game at Manuka, but secondly, I found a copy of the Round 1 ARC program in my Sports Lounge back a few months ago. It seemed like too much of a museum piece to add to the growing rubbish pile on that day.
He wasn’t, but Charles Dickens could easily have been summarising the ARC when he started that timeless paragraph in A Tale of Two Cities, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness…”
And it was the best of times, too. It was an age of wisdom. It made sense at the time that Australian rugby used some of its 2003 Rugby World Cup riches to invest in the future development of the game at the next level.
It was time to start growing the pool, too, because the Larkhams and the Gregans were about to head off to the Rising Sun, and the Eales and the Horans were long gone. The Wallabies chances at the 2007 RWC were more about hope than actual confidence.
At the time, the ARC was hailed as Australian rugby’s long overdue equivalent to New Zealand’s National Provincial Championship (the Air New Zealand Cup, as it was at the time) and South Africa’s Currie Cup. Finally, the gaping chasm between club and Super rugby levels in Australia would be bridged.
Eight teams dotted the country, including the bringing together of some Sydney clubs who share a similar harmony to North and South Korea. It was the first introduction of professional-ish rugby in Melbourne, and indeed, the very birth of the Melbourne Rebels as we now know them.
If they thought about it, I’m sure members of the Rebel Army could trace their lineage back to the ARC too.
And eight was a good number. It gave a proper national presence with teams in Canberra, Melbourne and Perth, while two teams in Brisbane and three in Sydney was a correct reflection of their relative stronghold on the game in Australia.
But the names. Oh, but the names! ‘Tornadoes’ isn’t the worst sporting moniker going around the world, but when was the last time one hit Ballymore? When exactly did the Vikings have their way with the Canberra region? Aces? Spirit?!?
And some of the playing strips were equally horrendous. Had the kit designers for the Central Coast Rays not heard the rhyme about blue and green? Of all the colours to represent the former wool-growing pastoral areas of western Sydney, how many stud rams of colonial times were terracotta orange in colour?
Yet it was also the worst of times. It was the era of foolishness. How else do you rationalise a team on the Central Coast based on four clubs north of the Harbour Bridge? North Sydney, did you say? Yep, that’s where the team comprising players from the south and east will play.
All this was before a ball was kicked off, and the budgets blew out. This would be the only point in the fledgling comp’s short history where the concept and the execution were on the same page.
While the rugby was top-notch, thanks largely to the full adaptation of the freshly-minted Experimental Law Variations that the IRB went to great lengths to give life and subsequently ignore, the accountants were tearing their hair out and snapping pencils from day one. Never before had Australian rugby blown so much money in so little time.
And yet, despite all the largesse, the system did actually work. That one season of the ARC gave us a good glimpse of the future. Of the current 30-man Wallabies squad for the Rugby Championship, 13 players featured in that first round of the ARC, as well as another six who have been in Wallaby squads this year. Another 33 Super Rugby regulars could be found among the teams.
Berrick Barnes played the first couple of rounds before jetting off for the RWC. Perth had a fluffy-haired no.7 named Pocock, Ballymore had a little-known scrumhalf on the bench named Genia, and the Aces bench featured a skinny kid called Cooper.
Christian Lealiifano played his first top-level rugby at flyhalf for Canberra, and did pretty well. We got the first glimpses of Dave Dennis in Melbourne, of Andrew Smith on the Central Coast, and of the prodigious talent of Kurtley Beale, who won the Player of the Series Mazda playing fullback for Western Sydney. Higginbotham, Horwill, Mowen, the Fainga’as, Cummins, Ioane, Lucas all featured.
But its cancellation also showed everything that’s wrong with the pointy end of Australian rugby. Of the eight ARC captains, all of them aged between 22 and 28 in 2007, only four of them (Tim Davidson, Ben Hand, Al Campbell and Lloyd Johansson) played Super Rugby in 2012, and two of them – Campbell and Johansson – were fresh back from stints overseas. Hand will play in France from 2012/13, while Campbell has now retired.
Of the others, they’ve all been out of the Australian ‘system’ for some time now. Matt Henjak (self-inflicted, admittedly), Cam Treloar, and David Croft all left in their mid-late twenties. Does anyone know what happened to Tom McVerry?
Of the eight coaches, only Nick Scrivener – now an assistant to Robbie Deans – is currently coaching in Australia at a professional level, and he too went overseas for a few years before returning this year. John Mulvihill was involved with the Western Force for a time, and Brian Melrose gets tossed up whenever a vacancy arises, but that’s it.
All the opportunities that were created by the ARC in times of strong numbers have since disappeared, and the coaching and playing cupboard looks bare as a result.
While the argument is still strong that the cost of running the ARC over these past five years surely would’ve been an investment worth making, the fact remains that financially, we’re more likely to see a comeback of the Ella brothers.
The ARU is clearly putting all its eggs in the conference basket of Super Rugby, and with the current plight of the Force and the Waratahs, it’s hard to see if we’re better off or not.
And that’s a massive shame, because the product itself was very good, and the players on show were worth watching.
It’s just a shame the clubs didn’t think the budgets were worth watching too, because the game has suffered in Australia for its absence.
Brett McKay is a former non-tackling scrumhalf and not-quite-1st Grade middle order stalwart. A rugby and cricket expert for The Roar since July 2009 (having joined in Sept 2008), Brett has written for Inside Rugby and Cricket Australia, and is also PLAY Canberra's rugby correspondent. He tweets from @BMcSport
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August 10th 2012 @ 1:41am
abnutta said | August 10th 2012 @ 1:41am | Report comment
I miss the ARC but I predict that the ARC (or some close approximation of it) will be back when Super Rugby expands to a 18/24 team competition.
6/8 Currie Cup team First Division
6/8 NPC team First Division
6/8 ARC team Division
No interconference games during regular season. First past the post winner and runner up of each division into top six playoffs.
Easy peasy.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:10am
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
abnutta,
My vision of southern hemisphere rugby in the future is a little different to yours.
1. National domestic comps in each of South Africa (Currie Cup), New Zealand (NPC), Argentina (Zona Campeonato Argentino) & Australia (ARC). Each first division comprising 8 teams.
2. Super rugby run along heineken Cup lines, with top 4 from each national domestic comp qualifying for a S16, split into 4 pools.
3. Rugby Championships 4N) as will be played this year.
The heirachy top-down pyramid, using Australia as an example, would be:
1. Wallabies & test rugby.
2. Super Rugby & other national rep teams.
3. ARC & other national domestic comps.
4. Shute Shield, Hospitals Cup & other premier rugby comps.
5. Subbies & country regional comps.
6. Secondary schoolboys & rep teams.
7. Primary schoolboys & junior clubs & rep teams.
Levels 1 to 3 would be professional. Level 4 would be semi-professional, or match payments only. Levels 5 to 7 would be strictly amateur, but injury insurance, team kit & equipment all provided for through the ARU & various affiliations.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:24am
PK said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Interesting! Some questions:
1. How long would you see the national domestic comps going for? Would it be a double round robin with finals?
2. Would you play the HC style Super Rugby before or after the national domestic comps, or during (like the HC)?
3. would you have a second layer of four pools for the bottom for teams in the domestic comps – and a plate final?
August 10th 2012 @ 10:51am
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:51am | Report comment
PK,
1. Initially, I would aim for 8 matches per team, which is a single round plus a double-up local derby. This then gives everyone 4 home & 4 away games (same as ARC in 2007). If the comp was proceeding successfully, then a full 14 round home & away comp would be foreseeable into the future.
The finals would be a final 4, with two semi-finals followed by a final. This is for Australia only.
2. Initially, the idea would be to try & follow the current season, rather than turn things every which-way. ideally, the SR (HC-style) should follow the ARC, or equivalents. But unfortunately, this might require too much of a shift-change.
So the SR (HC-style) would be played early in the season, with teams qualifying from the previous year’s domestic comps – Currie Cup, NPC, etc.
3. I’m flexible on how the teams missing out are accommodated. This is one criticism often levelled at me why my HC-stylelSR won’t work.
South Africa. I note South Africa have 14 provinces. They could expand that to perhaps 16. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. While the top 4 are competing in the SR, the remaining 10 can conduct a parallel pool & knock-out comp.
New Zealand. The Kiwis have 26 provinces, divided into 14 first division & 12 second division, further sub-divided into two pools of 6. While the top 4 are competing in SR, the remaining provinces can also conduct a parallel pool & knock-out comp.
Argentina. The Argentines have 24 provinces divided into 8 first division, & 16 second division, further sub-divided into two pools. Again, while the top 4 are competing in the SR, the remaining provinces can also conduct a parallel pool & knock-out comp.
Australia. The Aussies can have either an ARC or APC (whichever is preferred) along with a revised ARS, each of about 8 teams. Again, while the top 4 are competing in the SR, the remaining provinces/regions/national clubs can compete in a parallel pool & knock-out comp.
This is how I would envisage it would work.
While obviously qualifying for SR is the critical thing for all the major teams in each country, it’s important for those who miss out to still have a comp they can compete in.
The season structure would work as follows:
1. Super Rugby (S16).
2. Inbound tests.
3. Rugby Championship (4N).
4. National domestic comps.
5. Outbound tests.
The various premier rugby comps would start during the latter stages of (1) & continue through to the beginning of (3). The ARC/APC & ARS would begin during the middle-latter stages of (3) & hopefully have the climatic October window to themselves.
August 10th 2012 @ 11:11am
PK said | August 10th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
So SR would start in April? Or how long would you need before the Inbound tests? And the National domestic comps would not include the test players, similar to the old ARC?
I think there is logic in your season structure. For NZ and SA, yours is a similar flow to how it is already – SR followed by Test/national domestic.
August 10th 2012 @ 11:20am
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 11:20am | Report comment
PK,
I guess the SR would have to start in April, because it’s a shorter season than the current S15.
I would envisage a few weeks break before inbound tests, which are capped at 3. I think it would be terrific – for thee players, clubs & fans – if the leading players could squeeze a few premier rugby club matches in somewhere.
It’s unfortunate that when the ARC/APC kicks off, the leading players might miss the first few rounds. With so much to squeeze into a season, something has to give somewhere.
But the key is that all the leading players would be available for at least half their team’s games (min 4 at very worst), plus be available for semis & final if their team progresses that far.
Yes, I’ve tried to stay true to how the seasons run at present, not only in Australia, but also SA, NZ & Argentina.
August 10th 2012 @ 4:39pm
PK said | August 10th 2012 @ 4:39pm | Report comment
Thanks Sheek. I think I can see now why this would never work in the professional era. Financial priorities should not be everything, but this is suicide.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:42am
abnutta said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
Sheek,
8 teams each playing 14 division games? 3 pool games – QF,SF,GF games to win Super Rugby. 7 tests for RC and BC, 3 inbound and at least 3 outbound tests.
20 SR matches plus 13 test matches?
Will only work, especially financially if the S16 is played after the Divisional season.
How about we divide the empire (ala Potsdam) over a beer in Pyrmont next Saturday? I’ll be there
August 10th 2012 @ 11:02am
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 11:02am | Report comment
abnutta,
Tests must be capped at 10 – 6 RC (4N) + 3 inbound + 3 outbound.
Except in world cup years, where quarters, semis & the final would represent tests 11, 12, 13.
The idea is to take the pressure of the Wallabies playing 12-14 tests for year, & offer the public a mixed bag of goodies. Spread the workload around. By reducing tests matches also actually makes them more valuable (the de Beers diamond principle – artificial scarcity)!
SR would involve 3 pool games, plus quarters, semis & final. 3 to 6 games per team. Those who miss out would play a similar number of matches in a domestic knock-out comp.
National comp (ARC/APC, etc) would initially be 8 games, plus semi & final. 8 to 10 games per team.
So, to summarise:
Wallabies – 10 tests.
SR – 3 to 6 matches per team.
ARC/APC – 8 to 10 matches per team.
Workload – 21 to 26 matches per player.
This is well within the 30 max imposed by RUPA, keeping in mind northern hemisphere players appear in anything from 35 to 40 matches annually.
Of course, this number would be added to by pre-season matches (2-3), end of year tour games (1-2), & possibly even a few club matches (which I’m sure most players & their clubs would appreciate).
And I’m sure we can discuss this further on the 18th……….
August 10th 2012 @ 11:17am
PK said | August 10th 2012 @ 11:17am | Report comment
I think the best chance of this is only if SR evolves expands to the point of being mainly domestic until the finals. Unfortunately, I don’t think they would go for a national domestic finals before SR. I think they would rather give it the perception of one comp for the broadcasters. But you could still have a trophy for first past the post during the domestic derbies.
August 10th 2012 @ 12:07pm
The Bush said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:07pm | Report comment
That’s actually twelve (12) tests – 6 plus 3, plus 3…
August 10th 2012 @ 12:40pm
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
Gee Bush, you’ve exposed my maths there. Okay, only 2 inbound & outbound tests then.
We really must try to preserve the exclusivity of test matches, rather than have them played like almost every other week.
But it looks almost impossible to realistically reduce below 12 per year…..
August 10th 2012 @ 4:03pm
The Bush said | August 10th 2012 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
Don’t worry sheek, we all make mistakes!
Unfortunately, I just can’t see how the major international teams can play less than twelve (12) games right now, unless we completely put Test Rugby on the backburner compared to domestic competitions.
August 10th 2012 @ 12:28pm
abnutta said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
And only 2 tests for the Bledisloe Cup
August 10th 2012 @ 12:45pm
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:45pm | Report comment
abnutta,
Honestly, I don’t mind only 2 BC tests per year. Especially when it’s also EVERY year.
The idea of playing 3 or 4 BC tests EVERY year was a massive overkill. I’m glad it ceased, otherwise it would have been another example of “killing the goose that laid the golden egg”.
I thought the system that evolved in the 80s – 3 test series interspersed with a one-off test, was the best of all. But we live in different times…..
De Beers diamond principle – artificial scarcity (elevates the value)!
August 10th 2012 @ 1:12pm
abnutta said | August 10th 2012 @ 1:12pm | Report comment
But money is the driver. I’m not sure of the breakdown now but I recall the majority (60%) of the net worth of the broadcast deal was for the 6 test matches?
I wouldn’t mind just going back to NPC, Currie Cup and leaving Australia to fend for themselves but it’s just not financially feasible.
3 tests for the BC makes sense.
August 10th 2012 @ 1:19pm
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
abnutta,
True – money drives most things.
And I’m going to bring another favourite chestnut in here – why is the unit cost of everything so much more expensive today?
It’s because of the middlemen skimming their share off the top. It would be fine if we only had to pay the wages of players, coaches & relevant administrators.
But why are sporting teams bloated with 12-15 support staff, when 8-10 should do the job? And why do unions have all these middle managers – marketeers, advertisers, managers of this & that – what do these people actually do other than suck life out of their unions & the paying customer?
I could go on, but I’m mentally exhausted now…..!
August 10th 2012 @ 1:25pm
abnutta said | August 10th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
My vision for the future has bias towards NZ in that it would make the game there more affordable. We currently have 20 professional Rugby teams for a population of 4 million (14 NPC, 5 SR and All Blacks)
This would be reduced to 9 (8 First Division of SR and All Blacks). Everyone else would be amateur or semi-pro at best.
August 10th 2012 @ 5:30pm
biltongbek said | August 10th 2012 @ 5:30pm | Report comment
I hate the HC style, I can agree with your initial part, but the qualifying teams must still play one another insome type round robin, Top three teams of each conference in a single round robin.
Sixteen teams to qualify between four nations is too many.
8 Teams in a double round robin will take 1 weeks, no byes as there is no travelling.
Then play a round robin with top two or three teams from each conference. If Argentina is in then two teams, if Argentina isn’t in yet take three teams.
A single round robin between 8 or nine teams will take less than ten weeks plu finals and semi finals another 2 weeks.
August 10th 2012 @ 1:51am
Jason said | August 10th 2012 @ 1:51am | Report comment
I didn’t even know this competition existed until it was canned! Some smarter advertising would have gone a long way to promoting it. Your right about the names, they didn’t help either. I don’t understand the necessity for nicknames, they should grow organically over time. You can’t force a culture on someone, the people create culture themselves.
August 10th 2012 @ 2:04am
Dogs Of War said | August 10th 2012 @ 2:04am | Report comment
Advertising wasn’t the problem. They really should have looked to leverage off the support the game had in Sydney and Brisbane already. Putting up for grabs licences that existing clubs could bid for, thus creating a link to the game at the level below (you could have even gone as far as saying an existing club can own no more than 50%). It would have given those clubs some instant support, and not see the ARU bleed as they did. Still don’t know how they went through so much cash in so little time.
August 10th 2012 @ 8:43am
p.Tah said | August 10th 2012 @ 8:43am | Report comment
They actually had a pretty good TV advert
August 10th 2012 @ 9:50am
Sam said | August 10th 2012 @ 9:50am | Report comment
“You don’t know me yet”. Shame it didn’t take off. The ELVs made for a great spectacle.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:14am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:14am | Report comment
it was great ad, too. Probably the best campaign the ARU have put together since “I wanna be a Wallaby”..
August 10th 2012 @ 2:58pm
Sledgeandhammer said | August 10th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
I went to about 4 games and loved it! The vibe outside North Sydney Oval on the opening night was huge, felt like a big event. And the rugby was amazing.
August 10th 2012 @ 1:52am
King of the Gorgonites said | August 10th 2012 @ 1:52am | Report comment
I was overseas when it kicked off, but I remember thinking why would they have it start in a world cup year? Interest was focused on the wallabies, and the top line players were out in France for most of it. Should have started in 06 or 08
August 10th 2012 @ 12:40pm
Justin2 said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
KG – I was exactly the same. We were following the RWC at thats stage and thought it bizarre the headline acts were not going to be involved to give it some hype/profile etc etc.
August 10th 2012 @ 2:02am
Johnno said | August 10th 2012 @ 2:02am | Report comment
For me hindsight is powerful thing , and now a few facts about the rugby landscape in OZ in 2012 and beyond.
-Back then no one predicted rugby world cup 2011, and 7evens olympics rugby would be the hits they were.
-7evens hasn’t entered the olympics until 2016, but the hype is there, the 1st round of the world series sevens is on the gold coast is on in october. We won a leg last year in Japan.
-Super rugby has expanded in OZ with the rebels, and more interest in super rugby thank to the conference system,, rugby world cup, 7evens olympics.
-Rugby has gone more global than 2007, . But for me the focus should be more super rugby teams after 2015,. West sydney,adeliade, or gold coast , or a 2nd brisbane team. Do we need the ARC maybe , maybe not, . I think we should look at a South-eastern comp. About 5 in sydney, 1 canberra team, 2 brisbane, and a gold cost team.
-AFL does it with the NEAFL, has been a hit. Maybe bring back an ARC but 1st we need more super rugby teams.
-And more imports for super rugby which Jake white agrees with. Freddy michalek, gareth delve, and james haskell all been hits. lets have more imports per squad 5 per team. All other sports do it. Rugby league lots of kiwi imports, EPL soccer loads of imports, loads of imports in france, T20 cricket in OZ has brought out big name imports like Afridi, and kieren pollard now they want K peterson..
-Super rugby has the most backward attitude to imports out of any pro sports comp i can think of.
-Imports in the ARC would be a must. Jarred Hargraves NRL roosters players played in the ARC before going to rugby league. Travel costs big time maybe a south east comp could be cheaper on the kitty.
-State of the game on the rugby club last night did talk about the ARC bait and said it was commercial realities , and super rugby expansion.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:17am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:17am | Report comment
no-one predicted the the 2011 RWC would be a hit in 2007, Johnno? I reckon the IRB and NZ Governments were, and indeed, sweating on the fact they would be!!
August 10th 2012 @ 12:41pm
Justin2 said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
Johnno – the RWC since probably after 91 always know to be a massive event. You didnt need hindsight at all.
August 10th 2012 @ 7:04am
kingplaymaker said | August 10th 2012 @ 7:04am | Report comment
The financial issues the ARC had were peculiar: I wonder how such miscalculations were allowed to happen.
I think more teams in the heartlands would have increased financial yield because of the savings on travel costs: 3 rather than 2 in Sydney, 1 in Newcastle, the Sunshine Coast and Northern QLD.
Maybe it would have been better to leave out Perth for the first year or two because of those travel costs.
In general I think it suffered from the same issues of small scale with too few teams that have bedevelled the Super rugby format. If New Zealand thinks that 14 teams will give a good coverage of a population the size of Sydney, why did the ARC think 8 would be enough for 23 million?
August 10th 2012 @ 10:13am
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:13am | Report comment
KPM,
I don’t think having Perth in the comp, was a problem. Indeed their inclusion was essential I believe, & the cost was worth bearing.
The problems were right in the heartland, in Sydney. The ARU stuffed this up totally!
August 10th 2012 @ 10:24am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:24am | Report comment
KPM, there was 3 teams from Sydney though – Sydney, Western Sydney, and the Central Coast (who were made up of Norths, Waringah, Manly, and Gordon).
But I’m curious, how would you save on travel costs by having more teams? Even if you dropped Perth – which I wouldn’t do, personally – you’d still have to travel to Brisbane, Canberra, and Melbourne at least. If you’re adding Newcastle, the Sunshine Coast and Northern QLD, then surely you’re adding to travel costs with more teams, not reducing them.
August 10th 2012 @ 6:44pm
Sluggy said | August 10th 2012 @ 6:44pm | Report comment
“the Central Coast (who were made up of Norths, Waringah, Manly, and Gordon).”
Which is why I had little interest in the ARC despite living within walking distance of North Sydney Oval.
My other recollection is that the Sydney Fleet, who played at that oval, had Randwick, Easts, Uni and Souths ‘aligned’ with them. Which sounds good to a Uni supporter…. until you realise there were Norths & Sydney Uni players spread far and wide, including in the western Sydney team.
It was all so artificial, and fan apathy (after the novelty wore off) probably had something to do with its demise.
Sheek’s ideas are interesting, but the only way they are going to get a 3rd tier provincial style comp going is to use teams that have a history that people identify with and will support. For example:
Brisbane
Qld Country
Sydney
NSW Country
ACT
Victoria
WA
SA
I was at the old SSG in 1978 when Laurie Monaghan kicked a field goal from halfway to beat the 5N champion Welsh. I’m sure other followers have fond recollections of these representative teams playing over the years.
And do away with players being spread all over the place – the country sides get first call on players originally from their regions, then the city teams, and the others can pick up players to add into what will be the rump of their local SR side. SA will probably get hammered but it will be a team for the those overlooked elsewhere to make a mark.
In other words, an expanded, or at least modified APC, instead of an artificial construct that does not attract tribal support.
August 11th 2012 @ 12:22am
the realist said | August 11th 2012 @ 12:22am | Report comment
Silly, you missed out, some of the games at North Sydney Oval were incredible.
August 11th 2012 @ 10:10am
Sluggy said | August 11th 2012 @ 10:10am | Report comment
Just couldn’t get ‘into it”. If the teams had been North Harbour & South Harbour (as someone else has mentioned) with North Harbour playing at North Sydney oval – the reaction would have been different. They were teams with at least a bit of history.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:28am
Invictus said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:28am | Report comment
And yet it wasn’t the Perth side that blew its budget, and they had higher travel costs than everyone else.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:37am
kingplaymaker said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:37am | Report comment
Brett and Invictus I’m willing to concede on your and Sheek’s arguments that the Perth team was necessary. I was just thinking that going to Newcastle would be less far for the NSW and QLD teams than Perth for example and that travel costs would be saved that way.
Certainly whatever the costs not having Wallabies available would have caused infinitely more financial damage than which teams were playing.
August 10th 2012 @ 7:40am
formeropenside said | August 10th 2012 @ 7:40am | Report comment
I think Tom McVerry may still be in Japan. A Matt Hodgson style player.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:26am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Cheers FOS. I knew he went to Japan, wasn’t sure if he was still there or not…
August 10th 2012 @ 7:45am
patonga said | August 10th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
GO THE RAYS. ONE FROM ONE. STILL WAITING ON THERE RETURN TO THE CENTRAL COAST.
August 10th 2012 @ 8:17am
ilikedahoodoogurusingha said | August 10th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
August 10th 2012 @ 9:56am
Chop said | August 10th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Yeah I’ve got a Rays jumper and training shirt somewhere in the closet.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:27am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:27am | Report comment
really, can I have it?!?
I don’t know where I was (but not Melbourne), but I saw someone wearing a Melbourne Rebels jersey earlier this year…
August 10th 2012 @ 10:53am
HardcorePrawn said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Was it definitely the ARC Rebels? With the Big M logo? The SuperRugby team also sell a retro-style shirt modelled on the original Rebels design, could it have been that one instead?
http://www.melbournerebelsshop.com.au/Rebels/Supporters-Wear-13/RaboDirect-Rebels-SS-Jersey-1352
Incidentally, anyone know what became of all of the ARC merchandise? I thought that sports stores would be selling it off cheap for years to come, but it all just vanished. Another loss maker for the ARU perhaps?
August 10th 2012 @ 11:08am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 11:08am | Report comment
genuine article, Hardcore. Had the ARC patch on the sleeve and everything, just as David Croft is wearing in the pic above…
August 10th 2012 @ 5:42pm
HardcorePrawn said | August 10th 2012 @ 5:42pm | Report comment
Nice! It did have some rather retro stylings that the current Rebels shirt is lacking. That Big M logo was a shocker though!
August 10th 2012 @ 10:57am
Chop said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
No you can not.
It’s going to be a collectors item one day.
August 10th 2012 @ 11:13am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 11:13am | Report comment
party pooper.. I am applying the same train of thought to my Round 1 program though…
(Chop is a mate of mine, Roarers, before anyone thinks I’m begging for stuff from random people!)
August 10th 2012 @ 7:46am
D Maaga said | August 10th 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
funny watching the rugby club last night where questions were asked of david nucifora about the return of the arc or even a new under 20 cup similar to the nrl toyota cup. the guy is a puppet of the aru and clubs rugby and he reckons premiership rugby is the answer. i had to laugh and now wish the wallabies and australian super rugby teams fail just so the aru can get off their ass and do something.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:22am
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
Back in the 1970s & 80s, the Sydney Shute Shield & Brisbane Hospitals Cup did a wonderful job developing Wallaby talent.
For example, in 1975 Ken Wright played for the Wallabies after only about 6 club games & one state match. back then, if you succeeded in club rugby, you were considered ready for the Wallabies.
The 1979 Brisbane grand final, which had to be replayed, & featured two extra-time games & a total of 200 minutes (the game being decided in the last minute of extra-time in the second replay), featured both Wallaby captains from 1979 – Mark Loane & Tony Shaw – plus one past & one future Wallaby captains – Geoff Shaw & Paul McLean, & about a dozen other Wallabies past, present & future.
In the 1980s, you could go down to Coogee Oval & watch a Randwick backline comprising Mark Ella at 10, Lloyd Walker at 12, Gary Ella at 13, David Campese at 14 or 11, & Glen Ella at 15. Man, were they something to behold!
None of this happens in premier club rugby these days, because some of the talent from Sydney & Brisbane has been relocated to Canberra, Melbourne & Perth. And this is a good thing for the growth of the game.
Unfortunately, it also means the talent in Sydney & Brisbane is diluted, which is precisely why we now need an ARC – it condenses the talent into a workable national comp. Workable being the operative word.
August 10th 2012 @ 12:28pm
Uncle Argyle said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Its Brothers V Uni again this weekend Sheek. I am pretty sure Shaw, Loane, McLean and co will be in the crowd. Some things don’t change. Thats the love of you club.
on the 18th its Terrace v Nudgee at Tennyson! Followed by the opening Bledisloe. Go Terrace & the Wallabies!
Not an ARC team in sight….good.
August 10th 2012 @ 12:59pm
sheek said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Uncle,
In another life I could have experienced the Nudgee-Terrace-Brothers-University scene in Brisbane.
I grew up in PNG & when it was time for me to go to boarding high school in Australia, my folks brought me to Nudgee.
I didn’t like it. I reckon it wouldn’t have mattered which school my parents first took me to, I would have baulked at the idea of leaving home & family for about 9 months of the year. Silly parents listened to me!
As it was, it was only the last minute intervention of some contacts that got me into Waverley in Sydney, another CB school like Nudgee & Terrace. When I made the firsts, I had two enjoyable years playing against both Nudgee & Terrace.
Won both against the red & blacks, but lost both against the blue & whites!
That 1979 double GF, it would have been something to see – Mark Loane, Geoff Shaw, Billy Ross, Andy McIntyre, Duncan Hall, Lindsay Hall , Paddy Batch & Steve Rowley for Uni & Tony Shaw, Paul McLean, Brendan Moon, Chris Handy, Mark McBain, Tony D’Arcy, Shane Nightingale & Mark Nightingale for Brothers, among others.
You would no doubt be more familiar with some of these players better than I.
August 10th 2012 @ 1:33pm
Uncle Argyle said | August 10th 2012 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
Great names of Queensland & Australian rugby indeed.
This weeks game is at Uni which is a nice enough ground but Brothers is arguably the best.
I saw Terrace play Ipswich Grammar the other week in a fine game. Ippy Grammar have a classy 10 and a very good number 8 who is a strong worker and lineout forward. Great to see talent comming through the Qld school system.
Terrace had a very good hooker and young flanker by the name of Toby MacNamee, who is the ‘Chris Roach’ of the comp but a very handy loose forward, and he is only in year 11….needs to put a few kgs but.
August 10th 2012 @ 10:32am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 10:32am | Report comment
DM, I thought David Nucifora’s comments last night on the continued focus on the national academy and the club system was as narrow-minded as it was worrying..
August 10th 2012 @ 12:35pm
AndyS said | August 10th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Especially as, being the High Performance Manager, I would expect any ARU run ARC competition would fall under his control. What he was basically saying is that they will continue to pour money into the amateur game in the expectation that that will make more Wallabies. To me, seems a bit like trying to fill the pool by relying on run-off from the sprinklers.
August 10th 2012 @ 8:06am
Dasher said | August 10th 2012 @ 8:06am | Report comment
I know I shouldn’t be promoting another site’s work, but Brett you could team up with Skip from GAGR and solve this third tier problem once and for all!
August 10th 2012 @ 11:14am
Brett McKay said | August 10th 2012 @ 11:14am | Report comment
I’ve read Skip’s piece Dasher, he makes some very good points…
August 10th 2012 @ 8:08am
katzilla said | August 10th 2012 @ 8:08am | Report comment
In NZ 3 tiers exist and even though NZers live and breathe rugby with no competition to speak of, the market can still get over saturated with rugby and make people pretty apathetic to one or two of the levels of rugby.
How would the ARU somehow maintain interest in a fledgling competition with new franchises with no supporter base?
IMO they needed to at least link in with existing supporter bases. Maybe It gives the clubs too much clout, but sometimes you’ve just gotta bite the bullet and go with what works. It could all be reviewed once the competition was up and solid.
Give the clubs a 3 year contract in the ARC and then change the conditions once it’s up and running.
Eastwood gets good crowds and has a pretty staunch supporter group, I live in the same street and can’t believe how into the club the locals are.
To just pop up a team out of nowhere and assume locals will follow it isn’t something even the NZRU would do.
The new teams in the ANZC were just almagations of older provinces.