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Brisbane came as close to beating Canterbury as anyone has since the Bulldogs’ 11-game winning streak started in May, giving coach Anthony Griffin and skipper Sam Thaiday the confidence their 2012 NRL hopes aren’t yet dashed.
The Broncos have lost four in a row to slip to seventh on the competition ladder, but Griffin was surprisingly upbeat after seeing his side downed 22-14 in front of a 19,870-strong crowd at ANZ Stadium on Sunday.
“The important thing was we showed some character,” Griffin said.
“We were a shandy off getting a win against the best team in the competition on their home ground.
“In the end, we killed ourselves rather than them beating us.
“We produced an effort we can build on.”
If not for yet another brilliant display from Ben Barba, they might have taken the competition points as well.
Brisbane started the game in ominous touch, scoring twice in the opening six minutes through Ben Te’o and Corey Norman, before a penalty goal gave them a 14-0 lead after 13 minutes.
They wouldn’t score again for the rest of the match, falling away as the Bulldogs crossed through Josh Jackson, Martin Taupau and twice to Barba, although it wasn’t through lack of chances.
Ben Hannant’s butchered try in the 24th headlined a series of wasted try-scoring opportunities for the visitors.
The burly prop ignored the support of five-eighth Ben Hunt, choosing to go himself before being wrapped up in a strong one-on-one tackle by Barba.
Barba again was on hand to save the day late in the fixture when he brilliantly denied Peter Wallace in another one-on-one effort, to go with two tries in a man-of-the-match performance.
“It was a good start but we got a bit too excited and went away from what was working for us,” Thaiday said.
“We let the Bulldogs play the brand of footy they’ve been playing all year that’s put them in the position they’re in.
“… We’ve got some tough games coming up (but) that’s a great confidence booster.
“Our season is in our hands now. We can do anything we want to do with the rest of the year.”
It wasn’t a typically-efficient Canterbury performance, with Hasler admonishing his team’s scrappy start but praising their resilience to finish on top.
“We were little bit disappointing with our execution in some areas of the game,” Hasler said.
“We need to take the right options at the right time.
“It was good to be able to come back from the start we had.
“One of the qualities of this side (is) they stuck to what we had to do.”
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August 13th 2012 @ 8:33am
steve b said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Talk about bad decisions some in this game should be used as training video for up and coming refs in what not to do ..Bronco’s looked way better than previous weeks,, their still going to be hard to beat ,,I wouldn’t write them of just yet ..
August 13th 2012 @ 8:55am
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Until this game grows up, it will never move forward. If your team is not from NSW this year, you might as well give up trying now.
I am still waiting for any ref , find me a ref, who will penalise Manly or the Tigers for slowing the play down, yet if your a outside of Sydney team, like the Cowboys the last week, they cant wait to grind you into the dust by penalising you 4-5 times so you cant recover.
I wrote this year off at origin time.
August 13th 2012 @ 9:24am
steve b said | August 13th 2012 @ 9:24am | Report comment
oikee you are well aware on my thoughts about refs this year ,,you know mate i can’t remember a year like it for complaints about the refs ,,When we lived in QLD I used to write a small article each week about either Boxing or Rugby League for our little local paper i went through it all the other night and in three years there was only one about ref decisions ,,,Does this mean anything or is it a sign of the times or maybe i just wasn;t paying close attention ..But yes mate they have to have a good look soon their is an artiicle in every paper lately about the refs ,,so they wil have to pull their heads out of the sand soon ..
August 13th 2012 @ 11:04am
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 11:04am | Report comment
Nearly at the stage where i give up complaining, does you no good.
If the refs let teams get away with slowing down play, they keep doing it until it becomes a overall game problem. Every team has to apply the same tactics.
It is why wrestling became such a issue, the refs did nothing until the fans and callers complained every game.
This gets back to me saying this game is always on the back foot, never on the front. When they see things happening , they just look and stare, like dummies.
August 13th 2012 @ 5:44pm
soapit said | August 13th 2012 @ 5:44pm | Report comment
“Nearly at the stage where i give up complaining”
say it aint so!
August 13th 2012 @ 11:27am
eagleJack said | August 13th 2012 @ 11:27am | Report comment
oikee I don’t even think you truly believe the refs are out favouring NSW sides.
Here is a list of the top 5 penalised sides in the comp (after Round 21)
1. Roosters (120)
2. Bulldogs (119)
3. Panthers (114)
4. Sea Eagles (101)
5. Tigers (99)
In fact the only non NSW teams to make the top 10 are the Raiders (96) and Titans (94). So clearly the refs are policing NSW teams. Despite what you believe.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:02pm
Pot Stirrer said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
When there was 9 minutes to go and the score at 16-14 to the dogs, How is it not a penalty when the marker pushes the player playing the ball so much as to make the dummy half knock on, Seems to me its not only extra time when the refs put thier whistle in thier pockets.
Im not a Broncos fan and i picked the dogs in my footy tipping comp but im getting really tired of the farce that the refs have become
Harrigon should be made to resign immediatley, as the boss of referees the buck stops with him.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:06pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
When his name is Hodges ! He started that crap…
August 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
Mate Oikee if only your gold wasn’t added to Olympic Medal Count we would be up there with the US.
MANLY and the CANTERBURY are some the most penalised teams in the comp.
Hasler almost gave the game to the Broncos by playing Keating again. You should have been up by 30. The actual tries you scored were from KEATING stuff ups. I won’t be writing off the broncos yet but you guys have some football to play. Good luck Oikee. You have some big games coming up I think you will spend the next 3 weeks on TV.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:30pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Broncos could end up going 10 years without winning another premiership. 10 years, think about that, a powerhouse club with juniors and feeder clubs being used as nothing but cannon fodder for Gallops magic salary cap.
We lost Lockyer, and the cracks appeared, Petro is about to retire and Hodges is on his last legs,. , we could not buy Inglis, we lost Falou , mate, this game is trying to kill itself i am convinced.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:40pm
NF said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
Oikee too bad how about clubs that have yet to win a premiership let’s say Cronulla, Cowboys, Warriors & Gold Coast. Broncos fans like yourself are spoiled with success with 6 titles & endless finals appearances so don’t give me this ‘powerhouse’ nonsense just because it’s one doesn’t give it a god given right over the other 15 clubs to win premierships. I can’t wait til the Cowboys win there first while the Broncos are wallowing in the bottom one day.
P.S: Try 17 years without a premiership see how you go or 40+ if your Cronulla think Broncos fans can handle that I doubt it they probably jump on the Reds or Lions bandwagon as they did in the past.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:50pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
And that is the problem, the Broncos are supposed to be a powerhouse club. Knocking the walls down of the big clubs will not pay your rent mate.
If your happy to see Cronulla and Manly each year winnning the comp, good luck to you, i wont be part of this farce.
Gallop has turned the Broncos into a feeder club, how is this suppose to help grow the game.
Manly cant even show a profit after winning 3 comps in the last 7 years.
Mate if you would prefer to destroy the Broncos and keep Manly, you wont end up with many friends, because nobody in Brisbane or Queensland will be supporting you.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:59pm
NF said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
oikee I’m a Cowboys supporter not Manly you really got a grudge against the Sea Eagles. I’m confident that if a QLD club other than Broncos win the premiership the Bronx will be fine and good if anything the Cowboys got sleeping giant potential as even if there terrible years they outdrew many teams. So don’t fret oikee if the Broncos got on a drought while the Cowboys can finally have there time in the spotlight in QLD since it’s being Broncos this, Bronocs that for far too long.
Also, the moment the Broncos entered the competition they got handed to them on a silver platter a Queensland rep side from day one and has every advantage in QLD compared to the Cowboys.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:59pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
GOLD again… There is only one club in the whole comp making profit. Half the clubs that are going well in your eye loose alot more than manly. The Bulldogs will loose 3 mil even if they win !!!
August 13th 2012 @ 12:44pm
turbodewd said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Certainly the Broncos crowds are a worry for a pop of 2 million….
August 13th 2012 @ 12:47pm
NF said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
turbo there 32k currently with the Storm game coming on should bump it up but as I said in my article a while back and Broncos fans weren’t happy about it but it’s true the Broncos should be performing better off the field considering there constant success they should be getting 40k minimum.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:53pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:53pm | Report comment
The fans are not stupid, they can see this club struggling under the weight of the Salary Cap nonsense, yet you have Manly, no juniors, no growth always in the finals. They strip other clubs of juniors as well. They just got one of the best young front rowers in NZ on their books, how is this helping the Warriors who are struggling along with all the other big clubs.
It’s bullocks, and people vote with their feet. You could have 40 50 thousand at suncorp, seems like this code prefers 10 thousand at manly, 2 thousand to games across the bridge.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:51am
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:51am | Report comment
I worry about rugby league in Brisbane. Fans are too fickle. They’d rather sit on the couch and watch the game on TV.
Brisbane’s rugby league fans need to start supporting the Queensland Cup. The south-east Queensland clubs should average 5,000 per game. There’s no excuse for people to not show up to the games. They’re just lazy.
August 13th 2012 @ 1:26pm
The Barry said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
What does any of this mean OIks ?
Is it Gallops fault that Petro and Lockyer got old ? that Hodges is slow ? that the AFL offered Israel $1M per season ? that Souths outbid the Broncos for Inglis ? that the Broncos haven’t replaced their aging stars ?
The Broncos ignored the salary cap for 20 years, why are they feeling the pinch now ?
The Broncos haven’t won for 5 years – boo hoo. Souths haven’t won for 40 years, cronulla in 45, dogs 7, warriors, cowboys, titans ever, roosters 9, panthers 8, canberra 17, tigers 6, Norths since 1922, knights 10, parra 25.
August 13th 2012 @ 1:27pm
The Barry said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
And these 50,000 crowds for broncos games are a myth. When was the last time the broncs got 50,000 to a game at Suncorp ?
August 13th 2012 @ 2:21pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
Again, as i just said, the game has been run poorly, it eiother has to change or continue to lose crowds. That is the figure the Brisbane teams should be getting, not just one, 2 teams.
If the code was professional, i am sure Clive Palmer would invest. So 2 Brisbane teams would be massive.
This can only happen if the game goes proefessional, which it is not, and dont try to say this NSW comp is professional, you will get laughed out of court.
August 13th 2012 @ 3:21pm
NF said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
oikee I’m wondering will you stick by the Broncos through and through if they were to be out of the 8 for a few seasons or will you go elsewhere just curious to see if you’re a true blue Broncos supporter or a bandwagon jumper. Will you support the Broncos still if they went through the same up & down the Cowboys have the past 17 years?
August 14th 2012 @ 2:56am
Queensland's Game Is Rugby League said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:56am | Report comment
I supported the Broncos in 93 and 94. I became a Cowboys supporter in 1995. It’s the best decision I ever made. Supporting a team that lost constantly taught me that winning isn’t everything. I’m proud to call myself a Cowboys fan and proud to say I’m a member of the club. I’ll still support them, regardless of where they finish. I don’t care if we never win a premiership.
Hearing Broncos fans complain about their team not winning all the time makes me sick. It’s why a Cowboys victory over the Broncos means more to me than a Cowboys premiership. Seeing the Cowboys win at Lang Park is always the season highlight for me. I’ve had the honour of being at Lang Park when the Cowboys won on 3 occasions.
I wish more of the so-called “rugby league fans” in Brisbane would get off their lazy butts and go to the Queensland Cup games. I hate fairweather fans who only want to go to the biggest event in town. The QRL should make it so that the only way to attend origin at Lang Park is by being a season ticketed member of a Queensland Cup club and proving you attend the games. Snobs who will only go to origin don’t deserve to have the right to go to origin.
August 13th 2012 @ 1:29pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Barry but the Broncos are special ! There feelings are hurt and they are going to take their bat and ball and go form their own league AGAIN !
August 13th 2012 @ 2:18pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:18pm | Report comment
Glad you asked Barray, and i can give you a really good answer. Feel free to utilise what i am about to show you and keep questioning the game until this is resolved.
The National Rugby League has got to work out weather the game wants to keep being Amatuer or Professional. The game is a business, lets make that perfectly clear.
At the moment it is amatuer. Look at the rules, look at the refs, even the TV screens, all amatuer.
You also have to question the Salary Cap, it is keeping the game amatuer, so until this mess is llooked at, the game will always be just a amatuer Sydney comp. Look, i am not trying to be smart, i will give my reasons.
If you run a business and bring through young people, train them up, spend time effort and money on these young future executives, only to have them stripped from you, that is not a business. And it never will be a business, i have never seen any business run like this, so.
The NRL, or as i call it, the NSW comp, has to make a decision, do they want to stay amatuer, or do they want to become professional.
At the moment, their are only 2 professional comps in Australia top 5-6 comps.
Rugby union and Soccer. The AFL can never be while they have a draft. Yes it will even the game out as it needs to be, but they can never be seen as professional while they minipulate the game.
As long as clubs like the Broncos and even the Storm and Warriors, as long as they can bring juniors through and have them taken away by other clubs without any reward, this game will continue to be amatuer, and nothing will convince me or the business world otherwise.
Also the game will continue to be amatuer while the bigger city clubs are propping up the weaker Sydney teams.
You will never get Brisbane Perth or New Zealand folk supporting Manly or Cronulla, or whoever, i use these as examples only, yet while they are allowed to reap juniors from other clubs, this game will always be amatuer, i am sorry it can not be anything else, and no amount of money will change that.
Effort cant go without reward, at the moment it seems to me that buying players is a better option than bringing juniors through, and this became obvious to me once Lockyer retired.
Manly grow stronger stripping juniors from clubs while the Broncos will stay weak, and the game will stay Amatuer because less and less will support a amatuer comp.
I am thinking of pulling the plug because the game is so obvious amatuer. Sorry, mate, but someone needs to wake up, and it all comes down to this single argument,
Does the Code Want to Stay Amatuer or become Professional.
I have asked the question, i think others should do the same.
August 13th 2012 @ 2:21pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:21pm | Report comment
It is offical Oikee got Australia’s Eight Gold Medal for one ! Those storm they are really bringing those Juniors through !!! I believe there is one guy who was born in Melbourne. Manly is full of players most teams passed on. BALLIN, G STEWART , DCE , SMOKIN JOE , EVEN LYONS left the country. KING and Watmough are locals but who is local from Melboure …. Cronk no , Inglis no, oh Smith no , Slater no wtf are you gibbering about ?
August 13th 2012 @ 2:39pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
LIke i said Planko, if the Broncos invest 1 million into juniors, (something Manly knows little about because they have none) and keep getting no reward for a scout to strip them after the Broncos have put the time, effort and training into these juniors, the game will stay amatuer.
Gallop had a good idea to start with, and the code being amatuer allowed this to work, like i said, if the game wants to become professional, then Manly just walking in and stripping other clubs juniors has got to stop, the game will never be professional until teams spending money on juniors are rewarded for their efforts. Now try to haggle over that statement Plako.
If you think taking Junior Executives from a comapny without putting any work into them is right, then mate, you will always be happy with a amatuer game.
Even in business, and most of us are not stupid, if you kept stripping a top company of its juniors, eventually the top company will fold. You want the Broncos to fold, good luck with that mate.
I will keep saying this, the NSW comp(nrl) has got to let us know, is it staying Amatuer, or is it going to turn professional.
The salary cap and rules and refs and expansion and propping up Sydney teams while the other big city teams die has to be sorted, until then, enjoy the amatuer game.
It cant be anything but amatuer. Not one sensible business person would support any other argument. The game is amatuer at the moment.
August 13th 2012 @ 2:53pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
Brisbane did join the NSWRL they were not forced. What players were STRIPED by MANLY from Brisbane ?
You did not want DCE …. ? So we signed him … Nobody wanted to Glenn Stewart …. Ballin could not make the Broncos team… So we signed. No one strips your team. Also they are not your players anyway the broncos have no friends at QRL … Oikee
Think you self lucky for SOO Manly BRING’s you second stringers through for you.. You don’t hear MANLY wingeing about William Hopoate or his brothers or loosing Hogdkinson or Lusick teams loose players get over it….
August 13th 2012 @ 2:30pm
NF said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
So Oikee if your ideal world there be 2 Brisbane teams, Perth & the ‘weak’ Sydney clubs gone like Manly/Cronulla am I correct. I agree with WA & 2 Brisbane sides but the weak Sydney sides do hold some value no matter how little you think of it. Last I checked the NRL is a professional competition that just happen to be run poorly for a long long time hopefully the ARLC can fixed up that so don’t give up on RL.
For Broncos fans like yourself to consider pulling the plug despite 6 premierships and countless finals appearances is pretty weak I doubt you make it as a year through a bad year at the Broncos as in 15/16th. Or go through horror stretches the likes of Cowboys/Cronulla/Parra are going thought at the moment. Be thankful of the success the Broncos had over the years and count yourself lucky instead of being a spoiled whiner.
August 13th 2012 @ 2:51pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
To become a professional comp, you only need to allow the money make the decisions.
Look, Perth would have a billionaire running them, the second Brisbane team would have big money behind the team. The Broncos will be aloowed to free up more sponsership money. The Sydney clubs who cant get big money bhind them will slowly wither anyhow, so the game will even itself out over time. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater straight off.
Even if the comp only has 10 or 12 teams, they will all be very strong teams. You will know every week even with injuries, your team will be in with a shot.
This is how the NFL works in America, they have more than 1 quarterback.
Rugby league will become a professionally run game, with big money behind the game.
The Cowbioys will survive. They can join with PNG, it will probably help the Cowboys if they become professional.
Also dont forget, there is lot of Chinese, Asian money out their, let them in on the action as well. Lets become the professional game we can be, or stay Amatuer.
The future is in the commissions hands, they need to let the fans know, are we staying a matuer Sydney comp, (because we cant be anything lese unless you change the salary cap rules), or do they want to turn professional and start growing, real growth.
August 13th 2012 @ 2:55pm
NF said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
oikee
What would you propose if you were apart of the commission what will you do to make rugby league ‘professional’ in your opinion. I’m curious to know your ideas to better rugby league and move it forward from the dinosaur days.
August 13th 2012 @ 3:08pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:08pm | Report comment
NF I will give it a crack having heard Oikee gibber many times.
-No salary cap
-Everybillionaire get’s a free team
-Clive Palmer when he is Finished building the Titanic and completing screwing up soccer get a licence for Central QLD (Btw I am no opposed to Central QLD)
-All teams that get less than 20k in supporters to a game gone. (What Oikee does not realise is that these traditional team have supporters all over the country and buy Austar to watch them)
-Only teams that make a profit (Oikee does not realise is that without leagues clubs every team appart from the Bronco’s actually looses money so the Bronco’s would be playing with themselves). How ironic Oikee playing with himself ?
August 13th 2012 @ 3:12pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
Well as i have said, with the salary cap the way it is wont allow the game to be professional.
You would have to introduce a compensation for bringing through juniors. Someone cant just walk in and take them.
This is just common sense. The Sydney clubs who dont get big money behind them will struggle, it is like the animal kingdom, the strong get stronger, the weak die.
Nothing wrong with that, keeps the comp healthy. So big city clubs will thrive. This will help the game grow, if your top teams are strong, people will follow them passionately. The Cowboys can link up with Darwin and PNG, bring through juniors and get companies involved, as their wont be 16 teams, it will make linking with the surviving strong teams even stronger.
Hope that makes sense to you. It is just straight forward business talk.
It is the same as large companies gobbling up weaker ones. Same deal.
Eventually you will have 4 Queensland teams, maybe 5 Sydney teams, Perth NZ maybe 2 and Melbourne. So 14 teams, over time you coulds maybe add another 2 teams, one more in Melbourne and maybe another Adelaide or Perth 2 teams. Over time.
As Sydney teams struggled to survive, just add another team in another city, so supply and demand.
It is a very simple formula, first off the game needs to make a decision on wether it wants to become professional.
As i mentioned, you cant while weak clubs are allowed to steal other clubs juniors without having to compensate,.
No business is run this way, rugby league cant run this way and try to be professional, it wont work.
Why would i bother bringing through juniors to see them taken away for no reward, you can see this makes sense.
August 13th 2012 @ 3:30pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:30pm | Report comment
4 QLD teams given IMO I think we need another one there.
1 Melbourne team Dreaming with 2
2 NZ Team I could live with it makes sense for TV deals
1 WA team TV deals plus including new time slot.
1 Newcastle
1 Hobart (LOL) Love it to happen just to give AFL something to think about.
1 Central Coast
1 Canberra
9 Sydney teams (Happy to see some go but on their terms not the NRL) The NRL did not make it self these olde clubs did I would like to see some respect for that. If a club wants to move to Perth go for it.
20* teams could work and will soon. Hobart won’t happen.
14 teams will mean reduced income wrong move we need to maintain current munbers at the minimum and push them up if anything.
August 13th 2012 @ 4:01pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
20 teams will never happen. The afl will lose 400 million trying to prop up 18 teams over the next 5 years.
Dont get sucked into more is better. The weak will get eaten, i dont intend to get rid of any Sydney teams, this will happen over the course of time.
As a team dies or desides a relocation, it will happen gradually. The NRL will have 14 teams and slowly grow to 16 or even stay at 16 teams as Sydney teams die.
It know it sounds bad, but Sydney teams dying is good news, not bad.
Like i say, we need to change the whole way we think about things, old world thinking is for dinosaurs.
Like i said below Planko, Manly moving to NZ is good for the game, not bad.
August 13th 2012 @ 2:35pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
Oikee just so you Manly has alot of support in NZ in fact I have never looked up the stats by I have heard that Warriors get above average crowds for MANLY games. Check it out brother ! I am going to now !
August 13th 2012 @ 3:23pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
Well good, they can move to NZ and become the second NZ team. Like i said, take away all the emotions and weakness otu of the argument if you wish to become professional.
Manly in NZ would help the game, take all the staff and culture straight to NZ where it will be needed.
August 13th 2012 @ 3:27pm
NF said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:27pm | Report comment
so oikee in you ideal NRL there be no Manly or Cronulla would be gone just like that despite there history and support over the years.
August 13th 2012 @ 4:43pm
oikee said | August 13th 2012 @ 4:43pm | Report comment
If they cant afford to be in the comp then yes, they will be gone. Why should you me or anyone have to prop up deadwood, underacheivers, no hopers.
Harden up, this is what has keep the game amatuer, people with feelings. We need to get this out of the game so the NRL can grow.
Change happens because people make changes, and they normally leave emotions out of it.
Dont go soft on me, if we lose a few Sydney clubs, so be it, we lost the Bears, Newtown, the Maggies and even Southss, the strong survive and thrive, even come back if they are strong enough.
I dont want to write a novel, but gee whiz, eat some cement.
The game will never grow if we try to please everyone.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:33pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Despite his good game on friday night apparently we are (Manly) trying to get rid of Kite any interest ? Personally I don’t know why he is on 280k apparently year he is contracted for this next year we want him gone i don’t understand it I think he is worth that …
August 13th 2012 @ 1:30pm
The Barry said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:30pm | Report comment
Kite is now one of the most under rated players in the comp. He churns through the metres, tackles like a demon and tries his heart out. I wouldn’t be keen to get rid of him if I were a Manly fan unless they’ve got someone coming through.
He was outstanding on Friday night and rarely plays a bad game.
August 13th 2012 @ 1:32pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Which is lost in my bad english… That was kinda my point he is on contract for next year at 280k and Manly are reported to be open to offers for him … I say my own team is making an error if these reports are right ?
August 13th 2012 @ 3:17pm
Matt F said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:17pm | Report comment
Could it be due to salary cap issues? Brett Stewart and the Wofman are still unsigned right? It may be that Manly are trying to find room to keep them. I can’t believe they would be trying to get rid of Kite for any other reason. Actually I find it difficult to believe even if it is due to salary cap issues
August 13th 2012 @ 3:20pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Definately cause of financial issues Matt but sorry forwards win matches IMO. Tackle counts for Manly on Friday night were huge.
August 13th 2012 @ 3:46pm
Matt F said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:46pm | Report comment
No argument there. Ben Barba may have stolen the show yesterday but it was our forwards who got us back into the game. Brent Kite has been immense for you guys since he arrived from the Dragons. I would have thought that losing both him and Lussick would seriously eat away at your front row depth but i guess Manly must be confident about some other players coming through the ranks.
I can’t believe that there isn’t another club out there who would take him, especially if they could get him for around 300k. Having said that I guess he would be asking for a lot more then that in order to leave. With another year to go on his contract he’s got all the power in any negotiation.
August 13th 2012 @ 1:19pm
The Barry said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:19pm | Report comment
I wouldn’t be stoked if I was Griffen. Every 50/50 call went against the Bulldogs for the first 25 minutes and the Broncs could / should have had 20+ points on the board.
Weak decision to go for the 2 points to make it 14-0, 60 minutes before full-time. Says a lot about their mindset and I can’t imagine a Broncos team of old doing that. Broncs were shot ducks after that.
Broncos need to find their mojo soon – they were a long way below their best yesterday despite a great first 10 minues and an ok next 10.
As for the Bulldogs – very composed and stuck to their gameplan throughout despite being 14 down and under the pump. And they did it without Kasiano and Graham. The game time that Tapau, Finucane and Jackson are getting now could be vital if they get injuries in the semis.
August 13th 2012 @ 1:25pm
PLANKO said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Even the Raiders have a better mindset than the Bronco’s. They knocked back 3 penalties in throw the ball over territory during the first half at Centrebet. Barry broncos must have blowen 3 tries minimum in the first half. 14 nil is on thing but had it been 24 that is another matter.
What teams do with Penalties is critical ask the Warriors in last years GF ?
August 13th 2012 @ 1:34pm
The Barry said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Agreed. What’s 14-0 after 13 minutes ? It was a daft decision and shows that they’re already thinking about defending a lead. Making it 14 points makes sense with 13 minutes left not with 13 minutes gone.
August 13th 2012 @ 2:38pm
Pot Stirrer said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
I disagree, if your presented with a gift 2 points to take the lead to more than 2 converted trys i think you have to take them. I think The problem is as u say is the mentality that says to try and defend that lead.
August 13th 2012 @ 3:48pm
Matt F said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:48pm | Report comment
I agree. Going from 12 to 14 points inf ront is a handy buffer. Even excluding that penalty decision they still should have been a further try or two ahead by the 30 minute mark
August 14th 2012 @ 1:35pm
The Barry said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
The Broncos had all the ball and all the momentum. The Broncs take a tap and they get one of three outcomes:
1) a try
2) a repeat set and more pressure
3) the Dogs working the ball off their own line – more pressure.
Instead they get 2 points and are working off their own line.
The game showed that a 14 point lead was absolutely meaningless and that was the beginning of the end for the Broncs.
PS – Taking the 2 is what creates the defensive mentality. I’m sure Thaiday didn’t lead the boys back to half way saying we’ve got to defend the 14 points but the message is pretty clear from the actions.
It’s all well and good sayin “c’mon boys let’s keep going” but if your coach and captain are looking at getting a 14 point lead after 13 minutes it’s sending a pretty clear message.
August 14th 2012 @ 1:44pm
PLANKO said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Thanks for doing that Barry I wanted to but could not be bothered.
People should look at the grand final last year one team took the 2 points the other did not. Who won the game ! This is a big example in a big game. But you are right 2 points nothing repeat set is what most coaches would take out of the 2 options 1) Repeat Set 2)being 2 points most would take the first. You want a team defending their line in defence as much as you can pressure is what the game is all about and maintaining it.
A more relevant example was the raiders game 1 hour earlier. 3 times they choose rightfully to keep the pressure on penrith. By the end of the game they got there reward. A WIN… It is a game of possession and field position why give you opposition a chance to get the ball back… The short kick off is becoming widely used and if they long you 3 or 4 opportunities to drop the ball in BAD position and give them a chance at 6 ? The best form of defence is attack YADDA YADDA YADDA etc etc !!!