The Wallabies are going for gold in The Rugby Championship
By Spiro Zavos, 13 Aug 2012 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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During the June Tests some insiders (but not Robbie Deans) told me that the Wallabies have pinpointed Saturday’s Test against the All Blacks as the must-win match in The Rugby Championship for the team.
The marketing of the Test, with the slogan ‘This Time They’re Not At Home,’ gives the clue to the motivation the coaching staff is looking to to get the Wallabies up for the Test.
The home ground advantage is going to be used as a key psychological imperative for the Wallabies. ANZ Stadium is going to be a sea of gold.
And the crowd will be as unforgiving for the All Blacks as the New Zealand crowd was to the Wallabies when New Zealand monstered them at Eden Park in the semi-final of the 2011 Rugby World Cup tournament.
The idea behind the strategy is that a defeat at Sydney will rattle the new All Blacks coaching staff into a panicky response. And if this happens, the Wallabies could pull off a second victory at Eden Park a week after the Sydney Test. This sort of outcome would result in the capture of the Bledisloe Cup by the Wallabies for the first time in a decade.
And it would obliterate the memory of the 2011 RWC semi-final at Eden Park when the Wallabies cracked under intense pressure on and off the field.
Graham Henry has revealed in his rugbiography that a key tactic at Eden Park was to get to Quade Cooper. This was done by kicking high to him when he was on defensive at the back, out of the front line. Cooper made a hash of several bombs. He had already started that game poorly by kicking out on the full from the kick-off.
This mistake and the fumbles, together with the pressure of the All Blacks and the roaring hostility of the crowd, undoubtedly got to Cooper.
As far as the All Blacks were concerned this was one of the keys (along with holding Will Genia from making his trade-mark breakouts) to defeating the Wallabies.
With Cooper playing poorly and with Kurtley Beale out injured, the Wallabies were without the guile and firepower to trouble the All Blacks too much in attack.
From the hints that Deans is giving to the media, it seems likely that Cooper won’t play on Saturday for the Wallabies. The preference, it seems, is for Berrick Barnes, a steadier player but hardly the playmaker with the ball that Cooper is when he is on song.
Cooper’s unpredictability and his genius talent for making telling passes that set up runners into gaps are reasons why I’d always play him against the All Blacks. And the reason for this?
To my mind the All Blacks are the Spartans of rugby. They do the basics 110 per cent. They are ruthless in pursuit of victory. They are structured and efficient. But they can be put off their game when their opponents do not play according to the known script.
The Spartans were like this. The Athenians, not a warlike people, occasionally defeated them by employing unusual, unexpected or new tactics.
Cooper brings the unusual, the unexpected and sometimes the new to the teams he plays for. He has been able to disconcert a number of top New Zealand Super Rugby sides in recent years with his sleight of hand play.
A problem with him, though, is that at number 10 his unorthodoxy doesn’t work that well at the Test level. He is rather like Carlos Spencer in this regard.
At number 10 against weaker sides or sides that gave him room or in matches below the intensity of Tests, Spencer was unbeatable.
But in tight matches when the percentage play is often the best play, Spencer (and Cooper) was often found wanting.
So I would play Cooper at fullback, if Beale is not available, or on the wing if Beale and O’Connor (at number 10) are available.
In an interesting interview with Greg Growden in the SMH, Robbie Deans was asked if he was hoping to have, “the Three Amigos (Beale, O’Connor and Cooper) back together?”
The Deans reply was extremely pointed: “Hopefully never in their former role. Hopefully never for the reason they got their reputations.” This is interesting in that Deans is clearly foreshadowing that he’s had it with their juvenile behaviour off the field.
He did intimate further into his answer that his coaching staff is putting a lot of work into bringing all three players back from their injuries in a way that does not set them up for further injuries.
It was interesting, too, that Tony McGahan, the new Wallabies coaching co-ordinator, has told rugby reporters that the main area that required improvement was the team’s “high-ball receipt and kick-catch skills,” plus raising the level of “continued pressure” around the breakdown in defence and attack.
When you look at the Wallabies you see a team that lacks a lot of firepower in the forwards and in the backs. Genia, Beale and Digby Ioane can make breaks. Genia has told reporters, “To be brutally honest, if we’re going to be a chance in The Rugby Championship we need to score a lot more tries than we did against Scotland and Wales.”
Some really good attacking coaching will need to be done, for only Beale, O’Connor and Cooper, in my view, are real tearaway runners capable of shredding a defence from long range. Only Beale is likely to play on Saturday. In the forwards, the runners are even less evident. Scott Higginbotham is the most damaging runner in the pack.
For all the praise he gets as a fetcher number 7, David Pocock does very little running with the ball and what little running he does is of the hard and short yards variety. This is why I believe his better position these days is blindside flanker with someone like Liam Gill playing the fetcher, link and running game.
As an aside, I believe it is only a matter of time before a smart coach starts Michael Hooper as an outside centre, his true position, in my opinion. But this is for another discussion.
Andrew Blades, the new scrum coach, has stated that he doesn’t want the Wallabies front row to try to trick their way through games, as they did some years ago. He is confident that the scrum will stand up to the All Blacks, Springboks and the Pumas.
If he is correct then the Wallabies will be able to get a good platform to launch some set moves that Deans has given the back line but have had to be put away because the scrum has been too unstable.
The Wallabies will have had a lot of time off the field by the time the Test comes around. The time has been used to get a number of players, especially those from the Waratahs, much fitter than they were during the Super Rugby season. But the lack of game fitness might be a problem.
The All Blacks have had the Crusaders and the Chiefs in the finals. These players are reasonably match fit you would think. Last week the All Blacks squad, without Crusaders and Chiefs, played 20 minutes against Counties Manakau and 20 minutes against Auckland (with 13 Super Rugby players in the team). From all accounts, the players needed the game time.
This is something the Wallabies need to think about in future before a series like The Rugby Championship.
Rather than making a Spiro prediction right now, I’ll report on a Richard Loe Fearless Prediction. In the NZ Herald on Sunday, Loe’s article was headlined, “Wallabies will win only once in the new comp.”
His argument is that the Wallabies “will be found wanting up front.” The proof of this is, in his opinion, the front and second rows aren’t very strong.
He also makes the point that I make, Cooper is both the weakness and the strength of the Wallabies. “If Deans chooses Berrick Barnes at first five-eighths,” he argues, “I will stick to my one-win (against the Pumas) prediction. However, they may do better if he selects Cooper.”
There have been bloggers on The Roar who have been critical of the new tournament being named The Rugby Championship. I disagree with this sentiment. The name leaves open the possibility of a lucrative sponsorship as in The —- Rugby Championship.
As well, the introduction of Argentina takes away some of the Tri-Nations inequality of a team playing, say, two Tests at home and only one away against one of its opponents. And it gives the Tri-Nations teams a really formidable opponent, especially when the Pumas play at home.
The Rugby Championship in every way is a harder and superior tournament than the Six Nations and deserves its definitive title.
Now all four teams play a home and away match against each other (with the Wallabies and All Blacks playing a third Bledisloe Cup Test each year several weeks after The Rugby Championship). The home and away system is much fairer than the Six Nations format and the old Tri-Nations format.
I admire the positivity of the Wallabies going into the first Test played in The Rugby Championship format. The positive attitude could create a virtuous circle where expectations become matched with performance. And a confident, grounded Wallaby side is always a difficult side to defeat, even for the All Blacks as they learnt last year at Brisbane.
But then I remember the positivity of the Wallabies going into the first Tri-Nations Test in 1996. The All Blacks, in the wind, rain and sleet, played one of great 40 minutes of rugby to smash the Wallabies out of the game and to set the standard for the Wallabies and Springboks to emulate.
But, then, that 1996 Test was played at Wellington. The first Rugby Championship Test will be played at Sydney. As the latest Olympics medal table suggests, it is always easier to win gold in events held on your own territory.
At least, that’s the theory the Wallabies are banking on.
Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.
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August 13th 2012 @ 6:46am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 6:46am | Report comment
For me there are two terrible events which will seriously weaken what would otherwise be a strong Wallabies challenge:
1) Palu out.
2) JOC AND Tomane out.
Palu was outstanding throughout the Wales series, topping tables for tackles, runs, rucks and giving the Wallaby pack the physical presence it has so often lacked-against a physical Welsh pack Palu and TPN, finally fir and in decent form trasnformed the Wallaby pack, the essential problem of the whole team over the past years. A big loss.
With either JOC or Tomane the Wallabies could count on a major attacking contribution on the right wing. Now they can count on nothing there.
As for the Quade Cooper issue, for me his problem is just playing behind a bulldozed pack, nothing more. Often there are lazy comparisons made to Carter ignoring the fact that Carter in Bledisloe matches plays behind a dominant pack and Cooper behind a monstered one. He is an amazingly creative player and the key to every major Australia victory over the past two years. To choose Barnes over him would be disastrous.
With Palu and JOC or Tomane it would have been a good chance, even with the dud attacking centres (as usual), but without them it will be very tough.
August 13th 2012 @ 10:26am
Die hard said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:26am | Report comment
At his best Palu is very good but how often is that? I am always worried more about premature exits whenever he or TPN play thus burning a reserve early. Do you really rate JOC or Tomane as a game breaker nowadays. Fast flair and finishing perhaps but not exactly the spine of the team. Definately not a game breaker. Shipperly is possibly a better finisher (although JOC can be classy). Maybe if he had developed into our first five but that would be two or three years of development away, unless you want to use test matchs to learn your position.
As fo Quade. have you never seen Carter on the back foot. The All Blacks don’t dominate 24/7 you know. Perhaps Cooper should learn how to operate behind a weak pack. Wallaby teams in the past have used that to their advantage in the past plenty of times. It used to be why we all admired them so much. I can see the future biographies. Carter – fortunate to play for the ABs therefore great, Cooper – would have been the best ever but unfortunately never played for the ABs.
August 13th 2012 @ 11:32am
Jokerman said | August 13th 2012 @ 11:32am | Report comment
Interesting Spiro. Thanks for the insight. Makes sense with how Australia is preparing for this game. It is a must win, and could rattle the All Blacks if they win. One thing though is every time the Aussi’s have beaten the All Blacks, they have got wasted the next game. Partly because they have played themselves up too much, after the win. Difficult to see the All Blacks losing 2 in a row.
There are some unknown quantities here, I would just be happy for a win, at any amount. If it wasn’t for Robbie Deans I would be really confident, he is astute, and can be ahead tactically, when he has time, like he has. That said Hansen knows his tricks, he has been there before.
August 13th 2012 @ 7:16am
Ben said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:16am | Report comment
The All Blacks have lost both second rowers from the wrc and their blindside. I think they are vulnerable upfront. The Wallabies will get stuck in in Sydney. I think our pack will be fine.
I am concerned about our backs….the combination of Barnes and fauna is too defensive.
I would have played copper and Barnes at 12.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:13am
Jerry said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:13am | Report comment
“The All Blacks have lost both second rowers from the wrc”
No, they’ve lost 1 starter and a reserver who probably shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Sam Whitelock is still fit.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:40am
Ben said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Kano and Thorne at least
August 13th 2012 @ 9:10am
Jeff said | August 13th 2012 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Brad Thorn was a second rower.Jeremy Kaino was a blindside flanker .
I presume these are the two you are referring to !!!!
August 13th 2012 @ 1:00pm
Ben said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Yes those are the 2 and want Ali Williams the other second rower.
August 13th 2012 @ 1:14pm
Jerry said | August 13th 2012 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
Williams injury is a blessing – he didn’t deserve to be there in the first place.
August 13th 2012 @ 6:09pm
Kuruki said | August 13th 2012 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
The form Liam Messam is in at the moment Kaino missing is not critical.
Rettalick has a higher work rate then Thorn and he is a defensive terrier. The only thing he lacks over Thorn is grunt and experience. Romano when fit provides us with grunt. i’m very contet with the current AB rotation.
Also happy A Williams is injured. Great man of NZ rugby but his time sadly passed the first time he got injured.
August 13th 2012 @ 7:19am
Uncle Argyle said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:19am | Report comment
Spiro,
With respect to your Greek heritage your selections would invite a classic ‘Greek Tragedy” as opposed to a knights of Thermopalye style blood and guts win the Wallabies need.
I never particularly cared for Richard Loe as a player nor his opinions as a pundit. He is fool.
Fact is New Zealand are an excellent team. Australia is a good team. I am encouraged to see McGahan working on kick off receipt as this has been a playground for the likes of Read and co in the past.
I am not expecting the Wallabies to win. I think about a 30-15 drubbing will do it. We are simply not in their class. With Palu out where is our go forward?
At no stage does out attack ever put the defence in two minds.
In spite of what Dick Loe reckons our best chance is with Barnes and Copper playing. One is an idiot savant, the other has a very good rugby brian with a mop of blonde hair on top. They proved in their last season for Qld together they can mastermind victory over better sides, as they did an Auckland team at a wet and windy North Harbour Stadium you may recall.
I do agree Spiro tactics will win it for Australia – but that will be based upon guts and grit up front which we dont have. So tactics schamtics.
I am off to watch ‘The Guns of Naverone’ – it the only time I get to see the good guys win on Greek Soil.
August 13th 2012 @ 7:43am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:43am | Report comment
UA for me Palu is the one player the Wallabies really couldn’t afford to lose.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:09am
Uncle Argyle said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:09am | Report comment
KPM,
100% because he gets yards with ball in hand and attracts multiple defenders in the process. He was very very good against the Welsh. I would go with Schatz as he has a very good work rate and has a combo with Genia but he plays a different game to Palu. Schatz is a worker who links well.
Higginbotham is not an 8. Runs too high with the ball for a start. Dennis is good and should feature off the bench.
Australia, with our one off forward running will find it very hard to get over the gain line without Palu. So whats next? Out the backs, not on the front foot with ‘Chiefs style defence line speed= NOT GOOD MATE”.
We must adapt tactically if we are to threaten. Not sure if the brains trust has it in them.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:17am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Agree with all that UA: it will be tough though. This is the obvious point with depth. I was watching the dream team or whatever they’re called and the commentator pointed out that they could bring on more stars whenever they wanted.
Australia can’t just replace a Palu with another Palu. So every one of about 7 or 8 important players needs to be fit at one time for them to win, and with one of these out there is a big drop in quality. Even when all 7 or 8 are fit it’s still hard when you’re up against 22 important New Zealand players!
I think one area they could target is the set-piece. Sharpe is better than most at the line-out, while the Waratahs front row were very good against other Super front rows, there is no Brad Thorn to push, and even if they struggled against the Welsh they will not be facing the Welsh next week, who have a better scrummaging unit than any southern hemisphere team.
August 13th 2012 @ 9:17am
Elisha Pearce said | August 13th 2012 @ 9:17am | Report comment
I’d target lineouts too KPM. If we stack 8 man lineouts and get clean ball we have a lot of room for the backs to operate in. I know that’s not rocket science, but it’s an area where, toe to toe, our cattle matches up better. The more space we give them the better as well.
August 13th 2012 @ 9:28am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Elisha most of the backrow are good jumpers too-the All Blacks don’t like being threatened at the set-piece which is possibly why France sometimes challenge them.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:19am
formeropenside said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Which Palu – the fit one who plays a game every 6 months, or the broken one who either sits in the stands or is only good for 40 minutes? Unfortunately we need to stop counting on Palu to “stand up” for a big game, and accept that maybe he will be good from time to time, but, like Samo, is a “sometimes food”.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:24am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:24am | Report comment
The one who since the Hong Kong test in 2010 has been outstanding in every international match he has played.
He is different from Samo, who has been sometimes good sometimes bad when playing for the Wallabies recently: Palu has been excellent since Hong Kong. He is not good from time to time, he is always good. He is just fit from time to time.
Re-watch those last three Wales matches to see three tremendous performances. Consistency, impact, fantastic workrate.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:38am
formeropenside said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
But Palu has missed a lot of matches in that time – like the whole of 2011. He’s not a player we can count on having; he’s a bonus.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:41am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Well obviously as he’s injury prone-at least these days when available he is good, which before that Hong test he wasn’t.
August 13th 2012 @ 9:19am
Uncle Argyle said | August 13th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
I get your point FOS but availability and quality should not be confused.
August 13th 2012 @ 7:45am
Riccardo said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Morning Uncle,
Had to respond as I am sitting in my office in Auckland cracking up. “One is an idiot savant…” Brilliant.
Doesn’t “Guns of Navarone” have Raquel Welsh as the buxom heroine?
As I have stated below I agree with your 10 and 12 combination. The Wallabies simply won’t get enough quality ball for the Barnes only selection to be meritable. Combine that with your missing backline stars and well…
August 13th 2012 @ 8:13am
Uncle Argyle said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:13am | Report comment
Morning mate hope all is well in Auckland today.
Not sure if Raquel featured in this one. I recall Anthony Quinn hooked up with a lady with a moustache….errh.
It will be won by the All Blacks tight five, as always.
I am loathed to say it but the truth is paramount – We are not mentally or physically in the class of the All Blacks hence I can’t see Lord B’s oversize wenching vessel staying in Oz anytime soon.
None the less Terrace to beat Nudgee – BBQ at home afterwards and a few too many reds watching the game. Enjoy it!
August 13th 2012 @ 10:05am
Coxinator said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Hope you’re wrong on both counts UA. Not sure how the Butcher stripes are going but nothing worse than losing to Terrace.
August 13th 2012 @ 11:06am
Uncle Argyle said | August 13th 2012 @ 11:06am | Report comment
They lost to TSS last weekenf and GT beat BBC.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:05am
Post said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:05am | Report comment
Excellent choice of words UA. The Cooper/Barnes 10/12 combination seemed fantastic when we last had the opportunity to use it. Why do Deans and co seem so averse to bringing it back?
August 13th 2012 @ 8:12am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Because SBW and Nonu would run straight through it. Barnes can’t reliably stop those two.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:17am
Uncle Argyle said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Who can?
August 13th 2012 @ 8:20am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
That’s true UA, but you’d back a powerful tackling expert like A. Faiingaa much more than a lighter trip-up tackler like Barnes.
In fact Faiingaa has done a pretty good job of stopping both of them.
August 13th 2012 @ 9:22am
Uncle Argyle said | August 13th 2012 @ 9:22am | Report comment
I see no mention of Horne who will probably get the 13 jumper.
McCabe is injured.
Barnes can tackle.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:20am
formeropenside said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:20am | Report comment
A. Faingaa. Maybe McCabe.
August 13th 2012 @ 10:12am
post said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:12am | Report comment
I will just never like the idea of picking players in order to contain the oppositions choices. If Faingaa or Horne are the clear best on their own, awesome, but they aren’t. SBW will make breaks and get offloads, period. You want a player who can be similarly effective in attack, or you’re simply playing to minimize a loss rather than playing to win. Picking a guy like Horne at 12 over Barnes gets you maybe a couple less offloads and one less line break from SBW, at the cost of completely stifling the attack in that area. No contest.
Though I think Faingaa actually is a good balance. Solid D but far better in attack than Horne.
August 13th 2012 @ 3:51pm
SandBox said | August 13th 2012 @ 3:51pm | Report comment
need GI and AAC to stop Nona/SBW, sadly no GI though. Fainga/AAC gets my vote. Start Cooper, and if ABs have the wood on him., bring on Barnes around 40-60min from bench
August 14th 2012 @ 1:38am
Sneaky Samurai said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:38am | Report comment
Fainga’a may surprise a few people come Saturday.
He’s been linking quite well with the outside backs at the Reds this season and he’s been passing it early.
He might have to throw cut outs though to get it to the wingers if Horne’s at 13
Cooper at 10, Barnes at 12, and Fainga’a at 13 would have a nice balance to it no?
August 13th 2012 @ 2:01pm
Sam Taulelei said | August 13th 2012 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
Argyle
I love that movie, I have it on Bluray and it’s like watching it for the first time.
I recently watched a doco called “The Test – 100 years of All Black rugby” there was one recollection that really surprised me. It came from Stu Wilson after they got a towelling from the French in the first test in 1977.
Jack Gleeson the coach called a players meeting in his room and said to the forwards “right let’s admit and accept that these guys are bigger and better than us” You could have heard a pin drop, then Frank Oliver stood up and agreed with his coach followed by every other forward. That was a significant moment for Gleeson as he needed the forwards to buy into his new strategy for the second test.
He devised specific tactics to take the game away from the bigger French forwards to tire them out and won a famous All Blacks victory.
Don’t count the Wallabies out before the game has been played. Clever coaching (I know what response to expect from Deans critics with this statement) can maximise your strengths and play away from the opposition.
August 13th 2012 @ 7:25am
Darwin Stubbie said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Deans shelved the running gameplan for the world cup and the 4 June tests since have indicated that his thought pattern hasn’t changed … Even if Cooper was fully fit and primed I doubt he get the run on gig as this pattern of play doesn’t play to his strengths ..
But to try and take on the kiwis with such a limited gameplan and go away from an Aust rugby strength really isn’t going to bring the element of surprise that is needed to knock the ABs off their stride … If the Wallabies try and play one off runners with zero invention outside of the odd crash ball in midfield it will be a long night in Sydney
August 13th 2012 @ 7:32am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:32am | Report comment
Untrue DS, the running game wasn’t shelved just reduced. You can’t play an effective running game with a dominated pack.
Against Wales there was no way a running game would have worked without Cooper, Beale and JOC, three of the four high quality runners in the backline.
August 13th 2012 @ 6:17pm
Kuruki said | August 13th 2012 @ 6:17pm | Report comment
Tell that to the Hurricanes KPM they played some brilliant rugby from counter attack and backfoot ball. Your number 10 just needs to know how to get his players onto the ball at speed and Barret is bloody brilliant at it.
August 13th 2012 @ 6:50pm
Darwin Stubbie said | August 13th 2012 @ 6:50pm | Report comment
Yeah right – you don’t know your Wallaby rugby that well …. Aust has always relied heavily on their backs living off poor possession and a pack that is more often than not getting beaten up …. Deans disarmed the wallabies of their one historical strength at the w/cup and he’s continued down the same path in this years tests … If he attempts to play the percentages against the kiwis on Sat they’ll get humped
August 13th 2012 @ 7:39am
Riccardo said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:39am | Report comment
The Wallabies are always confident going into any series and so they should be; on their day they can beat anyone, anywhere.
I think the fact they are targetting the 1st Test on Saturday @ SFS is smart; while the All Blacks have tasted success there, this is Hansen and co’s 1st real outing and they will be fully tested in a home-advantage fixture.
It may be true that a loss there will make winning the RC very tough but I’m not so sure that the All Blacks will be so shell-shocked that they wouldn’t regroup for the return match at the fortress that is Eden Park. If anything history tells us the opposite is true.
Given that the Wallabies have several star players absent for the first fortnight at least, the Cooper question become critical for them IMO. I seriously doubt that their pack can do much more than gain parity and even then not for a full 80 minutes. They remain solid in the backs but again I’m not sure they have the accross the field strength to “grind out” a victory. Therefore whatever front-foot quality ball they are provided with must be well utilised. For this reason I would go with Cooper at pivot with Barnes outside him. The additional playmaking option may be just enough to get them over the line on those rare opportunities.
Los Pumas’ introduction to this competition has me, like others, excited. More rugby and they are a force to be reckoned with at home. The strength of their pack should see them compete anyway.
It’s not even a week away now!
August 13th 2012 @ 7:46am
Justin2 said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:46am | Report comment
The wallaby pack v Wales gave the backs plenty of front foot ball but the use of it was pedestrian. With a long prep surely the coaching staff will have the backs playing with more variety? If not then what are they trying to achieve besides close losses? Looks as though it’s all resting on Genia right now.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:02am
Post said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:02am | Report comment
I honestly have no idea what the gameplan is for Australia’s backs right now. We’re using our centres almost exclusively for defense, so I guess have Genia and the wingers do their best to make solo breaks? With signs pointing towards using the same backs we used against Wales, looks like they think everything is just peachy.
It’s very strange, it’s like the Wallabies are actively trying to emulate the Waratahs.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:11am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:11am | Report comment
Post who exactly would you choose then who could do better in attack in the centres? Considering they must be experienced in defense at international level to stop SBW and Nonu?
August 13th 2012 @ 8:35am
Justin2 said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:35am | Report comment
KPM – you are thinking like Deans and co – too much emphasis on the opposition and not enough on our own tactics.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:44am
Xiedazhou said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:44am | Report comment
I think the combination of Harris and Faingaa would be a better combination than the likely combination of Faingaa and Horne. Harris has size, speed, good defence and kicks well. He can pass…. He combines well with Faingaa. That Qld combination has performed well against some very good NZ combinations in Super 15. And before someone points out that Super 15 is not test rugby, well then surely its the stepping stone. If you cant perform there (Horne) why would you expect to perform in Tests? Similar comment for Barnes really, I fear he just wont offer enough at 10. He will probably get us close, and thus keep perpetuating the myth that the wallabies are close to a breakthrough. When will the so called brains trust realise that close is not good enough?
August 13th 2012 @ 8:47am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Justin2 there are no good attacking centres in Australia so you should choose them on defense. If there were good attacking centres then I would say choose them even if they are slightly less good defenders, but there aren’t.
X that makes sense. Basically because Harris is a better defender than Horne and as neither is much good in attack you might as well go for the better defender.
August 13th 2012 @ 10:16am
Justin2 said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Disagree and the time the coaching staff have had they SHOULD be able to develop some attacking threats as a group unlike the pedestrian attack we saw against Wales.
August 13th 2012 @ 10:19am
post said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Barnes 12 Faingaa 13 or even start bleeding Taps at 13 if we hadn’t dropped him. Barnes is actually very effective at 12 in attack and steady in defence. Likewise Harris is just as good or better at 12 and you could get an almost all reds backline which is good in my opinion. I agree with Justin, when you’re picking players exclusively on the basis of stopping the opposition’s firepower, you already have a losing mindset.
August 13th 2012 @ 10:20am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Justin2 in a few years you may look back and realise that a bad attacking player can’t play like a good attacking player. A shame you don’t understand this now.
Barnes is NOT a dominant tackler and it’s a risk to put him against virtually the two most powerful and best centres in the world. The rest are useless in attack!! Hopeless!
August 13th 2012 @ 10:29am
Justin2 said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
I wont get into an argument other than to say Ben Tapuia. And AF has played some excellent rugby at 12 outside QC and again the coahcing staff SHOULD be able to increase the attacking threat of any backline with the amount of time they have had.
If they cannot do this then find someone who can as it is not just possible but actually very achievable.,
August 13th 2012 @ 10:53am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:53am | Report comment
No with 1 million years you can’t turn bad players into good ones.
I would agree on Tapuai if he had played any rugby at all recently. But with no full match for weeks to throw him opposite SBW and Nonu is suicide.
August 13th 2012 @ 11:01am
Justin2 said | August 13th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
They should be able to improve them individually and collectively KPM. I have seen jack of that from the coaches this year and for a lot of Deans tenure in the backs.
He is fortunate he has some of the most prodigously talented players we have seen in years in the backs.
August 13th 2012 @ 12:19pm
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
Yes like his centres: Faiingaa, Horne, Mccabe, prodigiously talented. We were talking about the centres: you claimed they could be turned into good attacking players. But they can’t. They aren’t talented enough. That’s all there is to it.
Amazing how you can honestly say that those three can be turned into excellent attacking players. How? With a magic wand?
August 13th 2012 @ 12:46pm
Justin2 said | August 13th 2012 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Do you alwasy just make stuff up? Show me where I have said what you have said I said?
As for prodigious talents how about Beale, Copoer, JOC, Genia? I can cherry pick just as well as you can.
As I have stated numerous times and for whatever reason you cannot understand they can and should be improved players, collectively and individually.
McCabe has improved at the Brumbies this year so why dont we see his additional skilset at work in AUS colours?
August 13th 2012 @ 10:53pm
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:53pm | Report comment
He’s improved a little. You’ll just say literally anything to attack Robbie Deans.
August 13th 2012 @ 10:39am
Die hard said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Why don’t you concentrate on who might bust their lines first. The facts are that the ABs are likely to score a few tries. Maybe throught the forwards or maybe the backs. And so to beat them you must score a few yourselves, and as we don’t have the forwards maybe we could use the backs (including those pesky centers who are in the way between the halfs and wings). So go for points and hope like hell they are more than a speedbump in defense and win it the Aussie way.
August 13th 2012 @ 7:47am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Riccardo I don’t think it will be possible to realise it fully until the tournament starts, but the addition of Argentina will make it feel like a much bigger and more global event and so a more important one.
August 13th 2012 @ 7:53am
Riccardo said | August 13th 2012 @ 7:53am | Report comment
Morning KPM,
Argentina’s inclusion has to be good for them, this tournament, and the game.
The reality is while their pack should keep them in the game, the pace of it will be too much for them initially.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:49am
moaman said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Morning Riccardo—-I can confirm mate that the aptly named Raquel did not feature in the Guns of Naverone.You possibly morphed some memories from another film…??
Interesting posts—some very pessimistic about Wallaby prospects-others more sanguine. As ever-I am a tad reserved in my expectations;I am hopeful of an AB win and hugely encouraged by the article in yesterday’s Herald where Hansen spoke eloquently on the need for more consistancy. A performance like the opening game v The ‘Boks in 2010 (Eden Park) would be immensely satisfying.
Overall-I too am excited about having Los Pumas adding to this competition.They will bring plenty and the Australians must be wary of “ambushes”
August 13th 2012 @ 10:22am
Riccardo said | August 13th 2012 @ 10:22am | Report comment
It certainly appears Shag is attempting to take the All Blacks to a new level Moa.
“Keen to dispel any thoughts of a hangover” as Craig accurately points out below and equally to improve on what Henry has previously delivered.
I applaud his introduction of new blood, whether required or not; even the faces in the training camps who will more than likely go on the November tour.
I too am quietly confident;as much as a self-confessed one-eyed tragic can contain himself anyway.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:07am
kingplaymaker said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:07am | Report comment
Riccardo I think they’ll find it tough as well. Without teams in Super rugby, the pace and intensity will be difficult to handle. I don’t think they will be competitive until they have teams in Super rugby.
However playing numbers are strong there and it should be possible to turn them into a more competitive team reasonably quickly.
Four teams in three continents in the same competition make rugby look like a bigger deal than before.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:10am
Fog said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:10am | Report comment
This series has to be the Wallas’ best chance in years for the Bledisloe. The problem is that their game directors are too often found wanting. Cooper is a pale shadow of his hero Spencer. Genia is an excellent player but has been a lesser game manager than his opposites when playing the Blacks. Weepu in particular has him mentally and in the first 60 minutes of the semi last year gave him a master class. Both need a dominant pack or their deficiencies really matter. When trying to cope with adversity like the semi they play down and compound the problems rather than play up and reduce them. No doubt they can get better, particularly Genia, and, like McCaw between 2007 and 2011, rise to future occasions, but I suspect Cooper is already close to his upper limit.
August 13th 2012 @ 11:40am
Xiedazhou said | August 13th 2012 @ 11:40am | Report comment
A lot has been said about Cooper’s performance in the semi final of the WC, and it wasn’t good. The pressure certainly got to him. However his previous tests against NZ were fairly good efforts, and with him were were at least competitive.
However i think he offers a lot to Australianrugby. Given that the best forward pack we could select at present would be one that would strive for parity, surely the point of difference for the Wallabies, and their only potential edge is in the talent it can muster in the backs.
If Cooper is to play 10 for Australia, (and i think he should), then common sense would dictate to me that you acknowledge that he is a confidence player, and you surround him with players that compliment him and his style of play. This would lead to selection of someone like Harris outside him – big, strong, fast, can pass and kick. We know that the combination of Genia, Cooper and Harris works, and that Harris has the ability to take on some of the play making duties if Cooper has a wobble. Tapuai would also work, if he was in the squad.
I know that some will say that you shouldnt have to select players to bolster someones weaknesses, but in the WC i think some of Coopers poor performance was due to the fact that the pack was being belted, and there was no creativity in the centres outside of him, so he became easy to target. Look how poorly Carter played against the Chiefs, when the Chiefs outmuscled the Crusaders and put real pressure on him. If Carter can get rattled and put off his game because his team mates are getting belted, then why not the recognition that Coopers poor WC might not have been entirely down to him. Selection of the right backline around Cooper will go some way toward us seeing the best of him, however unfortunately i think the chances of us seeing that under Deans are minimal.
August 13th 2012 @ 4:47pm
Nick said | August 13th 2012 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Carter wasn’t poor at all against the chiefs. He played very well actually.
August 13th 2012 @ 6:23pm
Kuruki said | August 13th 2012 @ 6:23pm | Report comment
Mate he was below par. He got shut down by Kerr Barlow and the aggressive front foot D line of the chiefs. He missed a crucial shot at goal aswell. He was put under pressure and he didn’t handle it.
August 13th 2012 @ 8:42pm
Sylvester said | August 13th 2012 @ 8:42pm | Report comment
I think we can forgive the world’s best 10 a bad game every now and then.
The point is, Cooper knows what is pack is capable of. He’s got to adapt his game accordingly. It means playing a bit tighter until the opportunities present themselves, instead of trying the hero play when it’s not on.
The Aussies need him to have a chance of winning, I believe.