Olympics highlight the silliness of code wars
By Ryan O'Connell, 14 Aug 2012 Ryan O'Connell is a Roar Expert
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Australian guard Patrick Mills celebrates at the end of the Men's Basketball Preliminary Round match as part of the London 2012 Olympic Games at the Basketball Arena on August 6, 2012 in London, England. Australia won 82-80. AFP PHOTO / MARK RALSTON
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As the London 2012 Olympic Games came to an end, I found myself reflecting on what was a truly amazing spectacle. Heading into the Games, I was unsure what my level of interest would be.
I knew I’d be a keen follower of the basketball competitions, but found it difficult to gauge how enthralled I would be with all the other sports.
I need not have worried.
From the second the Opening Ceremony commenced, Olympic fever was running high throughout my body. The Games are such a unique event, and apart from the obvious patriotic motivation of watching a number of different events, there is also a major attraction in watching sports you don’t normally view.
It is this last point I’d like to focus on, because while basketball was always going to be the sport I watched the most of, it was never going to be the only sport. Which raises the traditional Roar topic of code wars.
Hands up if you only watched one sport during the Olympics?
Just as I thought, there seems to be a major lack of paws raised in the air.
It was once said that sport should be considered a smorgasbord, with fans able to pick and choose as many as they desire.
However, it seems that many believe that you should only be allowed to select one solitary ‘dish’; while also then feeling the need to defend that choice to the death, and deriding and mocking any other ‘dishes’.
This is a great analogy for the code war mentality that exists in Australia.
The Olympics are the ultimate example of how sport should really be consumed. Specifically:
• Lots of it
• Appreciating the many different types, even if you don’t fully understand them
• Appreciating the specific skill set and athleticism required
• Enjoying it – even if it is in moderation
You might not have loved every sport at the Olympics, but I’m also positive you found yourself enjoying one that you either hadn’t previously, or hadn’t for a significant period of time.
That’s one of the many beauties of the Olympics: the exposure it gives fans to sports outside of the ones they normally watch.
As an example, I’m not a massive cycling fan, but I love the cat-and-mouse games of the individual sprint. I don’t completely understand the tactics, but I do realise that there is a distinct strategy in play – in terms of when to make your move – and fully appreciate the execution of that strategy.
It’s thrilling, it’s skilful and it’s intelligent. As a sports fan, it’s fantastic.
Does that mean I’ll watch it every weekend? No, of course not. But just because it hasn’t become my number one sport, doesn’t mean I should be derisive of it either.
Nor should I be derisive towards sports I don’t even like, or will fail to ever really warm to. For when it comes to sports, I believe never a truer word has been spoken than ‘to each their own.’
It’s fun to have playful arguments about sport. That’s an ingrained part of Australian culture: having a beer at the pub, and debating sport topics with your mates.
However, when it descends into nonsensical gibberish about which sport is the best, and involves stubbornly refusing to move from your point of view, the fun and intelligence of said conversation dissipates rapidly.
That normally signifies the commencement of a code war, of which the Olympics have highlighted just how silly they really are.
Ryan is an ex-representative basketballer who shot too much, and a (very) medium pace bowler. He's been with The Roar as an expert since February 2011, has written for the Seven Network and NBA Down Under, and been a regular on ABC radio. Ryan tweets from @RyanOak.
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August 14th 2012 @ 1:37am
Steve said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:37am | Report comment
Code wars are silly: one of the great things about Australian sport is that there is such a varied sporting landscape,
August 14th 2012 @ 11:26am
cos789 said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:26am | Report comment
They do guarentee the market share of AFL and NRL though. While those two but heads and make do with a 50% share of the market, they both get the advantage of locking other sports out of the winter market.
Could this be the cause of code wars?
August 14th 2012 @ 1:39am
jus de couchon said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:39am | Report comment
Well said . Enjoyed watching some Olympic sports . Some sports , like sync swimming, shouldnt be there though. Greco Roman wrestling? Gimme a break. Looking forward to rugbies Inclusion in Rio 2016 and look forward to code war exchanges of views anyway.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:52am
AIS said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:52am | Report comment
You think Greco-Roman shouldn’t be there. You’re a little slow mentally, if you catch my drift.
August 14th 2012 @ 5:02am
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:02am | Report comment
yep, greco-roman predates most sports..
August 14th 2012 @ 12:18pm
GrecoRoman said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Just to clarify Terry, without going into too much boring historic detail, Greco-Roman is originally a French style of Wrestling. The original style from Ancient Greece is probably more like Freestlye with some submissions added. In any case, Greco-Roman is a very popular wrestling style in a lot of different countries nowadays (just not Australia unfortunately). Quite a few flag bearers in the opening ceremony were Greco-Roman wrestlers. Wrestling as a sport predates just about every other sport.
August 14th 2012 @ 12:35pm
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
GR, what type of wrestling is it that often features in the pop-culture of American High Schools?
August 14th 2012 @ 12:54pm
GrecoRoman said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
Kasey, the rest of the world calls it ‘Folkstyle’. It’s similar to international Freestyle in that you concentrate on leg takedowns, but the difference is once you get to the mat.
Folkstyle awards points for holding down your opponent and controlling him. The guy caught underneath is therefore desperately struggling to get out of being underneath. The guy in the controlling top position is wrestling to maintain the top position and (as they refer to it over there) ‘rides’ the opponent underneath them. This is totally different to the international style where the wrestler caught on the bottom is just defending being turned over by their opponent to get back exposure. This is the main difference, but there are a few other subtleties.
I might add that a lot of Colleges over there run Folkstyle Wrestling programmes and just about all of the Team USA wrestlers (both styles) are recruited from their NCAA Collegiate wrestling programmes.
August 14th 2012 @ 12:08pm
GrecoRoman said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:08pm | Report comment
Greco-Roman Wrestling boasts some of the most physically and technically gifted athletes at the games. Just because it’s not big or understood in Australia doesn’t mean it should be derided. I’m happy for rugby to be included in the games, but should we be surprised that a football code with its roots in the upper classes of many of its participating countries was included at the expense of other sports that were seeking entry?
August 14th 2012 @ 2:17pm
katzilla said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Don’t mistake rugby 7s for rugby.
There are some third world countries that do pretty well at Sevens.
It certainly has more exposure internationally then some of the upper crust sports at the games.
August 14th 2012 @ 1:47am
Johnno said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:47am | Report comment
Australia’s population 22 million.
-Major team sports : aussie rules, rugby league, rugby union, soccer, basketball, netball ,cricket,. 7 big codes.
-What annoys me is how for Australi’s sporting failures, we always blame having 4 football codes and all this nonsense.
-Reality is all countries have code wars or lots of different sports competing for talant some with bigger populations than Australia some with less.
-New Zealand and Ireland both have approximately 4.5 million people and punch above there weight and have multiple sports competing for talant, and code wars are never an excuse in New Zealand or Ireland.
-NZ: Rugby league ,rugby union,soccer,cricket,basketball,netball, all competing for talant
-Irleand: Rugby league now, rugby union, soccer, gailic football, hurling, cricket now
And both these countries are never complain about code wars
-Canada has almost 35 million and has canadian football, rugby union,soccer, Ice hockey,basketball and they never complain about code wars.
-And all the big nations like USA,England, ,france, Germany, Italy, spain all have competition from multiple sports including handball and water polo, which we don’t have here as much but is big in many European countries.
-So the code war excuse for Australia’s sporting failures actually wears bait thin as all countries have to share talant around various sports.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:58am
AIS said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:58am | Report comment
Everything you’ve said here is true.
August 14th 2012 @ 5:12am
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:12am | Report comment
the answer has to be backed up by surveys and data..something the sports gurus at the Institute of Sports has to carry out..questions that need to be asked are what sports are available in schools? how many and what sports are kids involved with/exposed to? what is the impact of pro sports on non pro sports at school level/choice of sports? what is the impact of socio-economics on sports of preference?..
August 14th 2012 @ 2:02am
JVGO said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:02am | Report comment
A rather naive viewpoint Ryan. Already before the Olympics is even over the squabble between the various Olympic sports has begun. There is an inquiry into swimming and its percieved failure in London. Sailing Australia has begun the battle to retain the NSW sailing Academy which produced 3 gold medals, pretty much saved our bacon and was proposed to be closed down. Athletics Australia has been openly gloating over the failure of its great rival for prestige and funding swimming. Coates is openly lobbying for more money across the board for all the Olympic disciplines. All sports want your money and attention and public funding, and unless you have unlimited supplies of both, like perhaps you do Ryan, you may notice they will do anything to get it.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:29am
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
Money, attention and funding is a completely separate conversation JVGO. I’m talking about the silly arguments about which sport is the best, rather than which sports should receive funding. I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion from the article I wrote.
And no, I don’t personally have unlimited supplies of “money, attention and public funding”, but in terms of the first two, I have enough that I don’t need to love one code and one code only – which is the point of the article.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:35am
Australian Rules said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
I think you missed Ryan’s point.
He wasn’t contemplating whether the sports themselves are at war…but rather, the fans, and their attitude that only one football code can be enjoyed in Australia.
Every major city in Australia can easily cater for all 4 codes of football (indeed there’s an appetite for all 4), and people that disagree with that, are paranoid and insular.
August 14th 2012 @ 1:08pm
JVGO said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
That is not the case. I think that using the Olympics as support for the argument in your article of some peace and love, live and let live philosophy is extremely naive. WIthin the Olympic movement there is intense rivalry for funding and attention between the disciplines, the same way there is between the football codes.
And in case you didn’t notice on the Roar over the olympic period there has been an avalanche of posts condemning the whole thing as a farce full of ridiculous sports, a waste of our money and the athletes as examples of spoilt brat modern day sportsmen.
As for the Olympics as an example of our how our attention can limitlessly divided, I don’t know about you, but I love the olympics and another week or two and I would be discovered a skeleton dead on the couch. Every four years is enough for me and my health. Same with football codes one or two is enough for me. The fact is that anyone with a normal life has to choose between sports as there simply isn’t enough time.
And as to the idea of a sporting smorgasboard it only really exists in the northern states due to our accomodation of the AFL. The Kangaroos, Wallabies, socerroos and the Australian Cricket team are manned almost entirely by NSW and and Qlders. For most Southerners the idea of the smorgasboard of codes is nonexistent.
August 14th 2012 @ 3:04pm
Australian Rules said | August 14th 2012 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
“And as to the idea of a sporting smorgasboard it only really exists in the northern states due to our accomodation of the AFL”.
That’s strange…here I was thinking that there were some A-league, NRL and Super rugby clubs in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide…silly me.
And all that tennis and horse racing and motorsport and golf and Origin must have occurred somewhere other than Victoria.
Keep at it JV, I’m sure you’ll die an honourable death for the sake of your “war”. Be careful not to miss the point of the article on your way out.
August 14th 2012 @ 4:16pm
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:16pm | Report comment
JVGO, with all due respect, you’re talking out of your backside today.
“WIthin the Olympic movement there is intense rivalry for funding and attention between the disciplines, the same way there is between the football codes.”
Yes, you’re right. But what does that have to do with the fact that fans are allowed to like more than one code? (The point of the article.)
“And in case you didn’t notice on the Roar over the olympic period there has been an avalanche of posts condemning the whole thing as a farce full of ridiculous sports, a waste of our money and the athletes as examples of spoilt brat modern day sportsmen.”
What does that have to do with anything I’ve said?
“I love the olympics.”
The Olympics are more than one sport, so you have just admitted that you can enjoy more than one sport, after all.
“The fact is that anyone with a normal life has to choose between sports as there simply isn’t enough time.”
I have normal life, and I don’t have to choose just one sport.
“The Kangaroos, Wallabies, Socerroos and the Australian Cricket team are manned almost entirely by NSW and Qlders.”
Apart from the Kangaroos, that is absolute rubbish.
“For most Southerners the idea of the smorgasboard of codes is nonexistent.”
Again, completely and utterly inaccurate.
If you think you can only enjoy one football code, that’s your choice and I respect it. As I said, to each their own. But that doesn’t mean you have to mock other codes, which is what The Roar code wars invariably become, and what this article was about.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:24pm
Australian Rules said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:24pm | Report comment
Ryan, with that kind of rational, common sense response, I’m sure you’ll just enrage the anti-AFL anti-Southern zealot even more.
August 15th 2012 @ 1:35pm
JVGO said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:35pm | Report comment
All i have ever said on the Roar regarding other codes is that ‘AFL is not better’ than other codes which is generally enough to send the AFL is better brigade into a tizz. Anyone who thinks AFL is better than other codes deserves to be mocked Ryan, sorry ifit upsets you.
Enjoying a variety of football codes is normal, in NSW and Qld. Most southerners barely know that there are two different rugby codes.
By the way I believe every Australian gold medal at the London Olympics was delivered by a NSW or Qld athlete. But it would be silly to point that out. It’s probably just a coincidence or something.
August 15th 2012 @ 2:31pm
Ryan O'Connell said | August 15th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
It’s not just silly to point that out, it’s irrelevant. Kind of like a lot of the points you’ve made in your comments on this post.
You clearly have something you want to say – regardless of the relevancy to the topic at hand – so maybe you should write a piece at get it all out.
August 14th 2012 @ 8:02pm
A1 said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:02pm | Report comment
JV did you get your posts mixed up and comment on the wrong one? Its like you didn’t even read this post but just started ranting about a different topic. And your rant doesn’t even make sense.
August 14th 2012 @ 4:05am
Viscount Crouchback said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:05am | Report comment
Australians should be delighted that people care enough about the various codes for a “code war” to even be possible.
We poor Brits are now destined to spend the rest of the year watching football completely and utterly dominate the sporting landscape.
A depressing thought indeed after the majesty of the Olympics!
August 14th 2012 @ 5:29am
Nickyc said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:29am | Report comment
I totally agree with your sentiments Lord C, although the obsession with football is at least in part due to the media and current cultural attitudes. In reality large numbers of people are still following other sports, eg. in England rugby union crowds have grown year on year in the Premiership despite being in direct competition with football. Cricket and rugby league are also performing well, although they have the advantage of being summer sports.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:14am
Johnno said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:14am | Report comment
terry great idea mate i agree what a party weekend it would be. But i think maybe the 1st weekend of the games is best, co it will be really able too get top billing, swimming is a long program so the 1st 2 days aren’t even the highlight.
-Problem with having sevens on last sunday is you have Team USA basketball to contend with for ratings.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:22am
MV Dave said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:22am | Report comment
Brazil is a football country mate…the Rugby whatever’s will be lost amongst the Volleyball, Handball, Beach Volleyball etc which are much more interesting…personally l think T20 Cricket should be in instead of Rugby…at least the sub continent would have some interest in the games then.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:01am
JonJax said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:01am | Report comment
It’s an Outrage that Rugby 7’s is at the Olympics at the expense of Squash!
Rugby 7’s lacks the legitimacy of squash- it is a hybrid game- more of a cotillion than a fair dinkum sport.
Squash on the other hand is the real deal- and AUS. have produced sooo many world champions.
Dump the contrived Rugby 7’s and bring back Squash- Squash needs the Olympics!
August 14th 2012 @ 11:23am
BigAl said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Given that the centre of world influence is moving Asia’s way you would think that games that they like (squash, racquet games…) would be given more of a run than games they’re not so keen on (rugby…).
There is a fantastic game they play in S E Asia (Ramiken Ball ?) – like volley ball, only you can not use hands (usually head and feet).
It really suits their nimble physiques and is extremely popular
August 14th 2012 @ 11:41am
Bondy. said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:41am | Report comment
Big Al.
You ever thought to yourself why does India play cricket and virtually no other sports ,Ok granted Hockey ! .Its due to the physical nature of these sports Rugby’s, Aussie Rules they dont like physical engaemnet these nations out that way, and pride themselves on education, sadly not the same state of affairs in this country infact we are in reverse to those types of nations,brain activity is not a prerequesite in this country.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:58pm
GCS said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
What a ridiculous decision to have a game called Rugby 7′s in the Olympics. I wonder if they will have something stupid like players have to be under 23 years old, with three over-23 players allowed?
August 14th 2012 @ 4:07pm
kovana said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:07pm | Report comment
Nope, all players will be eligible for Selection, No U-23 rule here.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:29am
Johnno said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:29am | Report comment
MV Dave Brazil rugby is booming. It is the fastest growing sport in Brazil,. Corinthian soccer club are in the formations now of forming a semi professional rugby team. A few braziliaans players have now had some trials or are now playing in french top 14 france, a few went over too ITM cup teams in NZ last year for tuition. Brazil rugby is thriving they love it MV Dave. 196 million people, rugby is well i won’t say taking over the world yet but it is a sleeping giant soccer should be more an dome aware of it over the next 20 years to come.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:58am
Bondy. said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
Johhno.
Rugby is not exploding in Brasil. Where not Aussie Rules here mate, we dont swallow that like they do.
August 14th 2012 @ 5:07pm
me, I like football said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
My guess is that this post is code baiting, if only I could understand the point he/she is trying to make ?
August 14th 2012 @ 5:28pm
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:28pm | Report comment
me, I like football,
If it was code baiting, we wouldn’t be deleting all the code war comments. Would sort of defeat the purpose, right?
The point(s) I was trying to make:
The Olympics has lots of sports. Australians enjoyed many of these sports. Means we are capable, as a race, of enjoying more than one sport. Means we don’t have to chose one football code to enjoy. And even if we do, it doesn’t mean you have to hate/mock the other ones.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:56am
AIS said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:56am | Report comment
The fastest growing sport? that’d be MMA.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:57am
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:57am | Report comment
Which will probably end up an Olympic sport sooner rather than later. Personally I’d rather see MMA in than Golf.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:29am
AIS said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Many of the elements of MMA are already in there. Greco Roman, Freestyle (Wrestling), Boxing, and Judo.
There are actually many MMA fighters that have competed in these sports at past Olympics. Some are actually Olympic Medalists.
BTW, my comment about MMA (as opposed to Rugby) in Brazil was to Johnno.
I come in peace.
August 14th 2012 @ 7:15pm
nickoldschool said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:15pm | Report comment
Love MMA but i don’t think the world and especially the IOC is ready for it. The IOC pride themselves for their values, sportmanship etc and even boxing is at the Olympics in a rather ‘light’ version.
August 14th 2012 @ 12:26pm
GrecoRoman said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
True that. However, it’s unlikely to be included in the Olympics for a while, if ever.
August 14th 2012 @ 12:34pm
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
GR, why do you say that?
August 14th 2012 @ 1:08pm
GrecoRoman said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Kasey – I say it’s the politics more than the popularity of the sport as to why it will or will not be be included in the Olympics. You need a strong political body lobbying for MMA’s inclusion. What international sporting body with strong links to large corporations is going to do that? The only body that might do it is Wrestling’s controlling body – FILA. They do run 2 events in international competition – MMA and something they refer to as ‘Pankration’. Pankration is a lot more restrictive in terms of rules and protective wear compared to their MMA format. They also have made submission wrestling with and without a gi official styles they support – they just call it ‘Grappling’. So FILA would be the best bet since they have the existing links internationally and with the IOC.
However, FILA like most large bureaucracies is beset with internal feuding and you can guarantee they won’t make an effort to introduce Pankration or MMA unless key powerbrokers within FILA are satisfied and this means medals, prestige and money. Sorry, but Brazil, the USA and Japan are not powerful countries within the FILA structures. I won’t even describe the years of struggle just to get women’s wrestling into the Olympics due to key countries within the FILA hierarchy fighting tooth and nail against the women being included (Iran and other central Asian countries in particular).
So basically I think MMA being in the Olympics comes down to politics. The UFC is a promotional organisation, not a political body with close links with various national Olympics committees as well as the IOC itself.
August 14th 2012 @ 4:26pm
MV Dave said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:26pm | Report comment
Yes Johnno…and pigs fly!
August 14th 2012 @ 7:45am
Darwin Stubbie said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Of all the countries the Olympics has been to – Brazil is the worst to introduce 7s at …. To give it a chance it should have been included in london …. And to suggest it would bring a lift to the end is fantasy – aside from the traditional marathon finish – the game that would stop the whole country is the football final … ESP as brazil just dropped the final to Mexico ….
Ignorance can sometimes be bliss but if it clouds your judgement it limits your enjoyment – football is a fantastic game and appreciation of football helps you to enjoy AFL … Those that stick to 1 code are missing out
August 14th 2012 @ 9:58am
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:58am | Report comment
M’lud
Not a depressing thought for those of us suffering under the airwaves domination of the egg-ballers over the last 4 months and it will continue into October until mercifully the A-League will start:)
August 14th 2012 @ 7:09am
Bondy. said | August 14th 2012 @ 7:09am | Report comment
I was all over most events but cant watch kayaking ” no point “, even the sports that didnt generally make a great deal of sense like rythmic gymnastics (with the ball) were absolutely amazing.
August 14th 2012 @ 8:04am
Lux said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:04am | Report comment
The Olympics are great – except for the preponderance of silly events – all that’s missing is the John Cleese memorial championship of silly walks.
Personally,, I feel there are plenty of events which are in the Olympics purely because someone with clout, with a capital C, has deemed that they should be in there, whose particiaption and interest across the world, is absolutely minimal.
So for anyone to suggest that Australians should be displaying interest in these silly events is the worst kind of cultural cringe imnaginable.
I say the reverse is the case – let us stop spending public money on trying to win medals in sports that absolutely no one, and I do mean no one, give a damn about.
August 14th 2012 @ 8:14am
Doug said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
I didn’t watch a single moment of the Olympics. Events like the Olympics and the soccer world cup aren’t even about sport, they’re about exploiting overwrought nationalism, which is really just a proxy for racism. I can’t stand them.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:33am
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Your loss, Doug! They were brilliant.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:34am
Tim said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:34am | Report comment
“they’re about exploiting overwrought nationalism, which is really just a proxy for racism”, perhaps, or perhaps they’re really just about sport.
August 14th 2012 @ 4:57pm
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:57pm | Report comment
Tim, I agree. I never thought they were about anything but sport!
August 14th 2012 @ 9:59am
Reegs82 said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Proxy for Racism?? Unless you are referring to the 1936 Berlin Games you are greatly mistaken. Whatever event would you see supporters cheering on athletes from other countries just for competing even if they are coming dead last. Case in point, if you had bothered to watch you would have seen Sarah Attar, the first Saudi Arabian woman to compete in athletics. She came dead last but there was not one person in the crowd of 80000 not cheering.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:09am
Titus said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:09am | Report comment
It’s funny how people who’s sport is only played in Australia don’t like international events and would rather stick with their own kind because they abhor racism.
Doug, when Hawthorn plays Collingwood there is a rivalry but all the fans are united in their love of AFL, when Australia plays Japan in Football there is a rivalry but the fans are united in their love of Football, it isn’t racism, there are no more racists following Football or the Olympics than there are following AFL or Rugby League.
It is better to face up to it than to ignore it and pretend it doesn’t exist in my opinion.
August 14th 2012 @ 8:14am
RC97 said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:14am | Report comment
Football should be taken out of the olympics after Rio the majority of players are money obsessed knobs plus the controversy about hooliganism with fans like there was at Euro 2012 does that sport really sum up Olympic spirit? When was the last crowd fight at a rugby match and the most a rugby players paid per year is 1.2 million(round there) and now Sebastian Chabal’s left racing metro I think it’s only 750k basketball and football some up near 10 million a year or over.
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August 14th 2012 @ 8:19am
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:19am | Report comment
RC97 If any sport should be removed from the Olympics it’s basketball. The undeniable pinnacle of that sport is an NBA championship, not an Olympic Gold Medal. Those ‘money obsessed’ rich knob-twats of Team USA didn’t even ‘lower themselves’ to staying in the Olympic Village.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:25am
MelbCro said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:25am | Report comment
Big difference between club basketball and natonal team basketball. Olympics is the pinnacle for national team basketball.
Not sure why you are having a whinge Kasey, the basketball at the Olympics is always a highlight for me.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:38am
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
Are there World Championshuips for Basketball?
Yes, then why is it at the Olympics, I think the truth is closer to Ian’s post than any other reason, just another guaranteed Gold for Team USA.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:51am
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Brilliant logic, Kasey. There are world championships for athletics too. Should we get rid of tack and field?
Basketball has been in the Olympics since 1936, and they are the pinnacle for international basketball. More so than the World Championships.
If you want to punish the Yanks for being good at basketball by not having that sport represented, then by that rationale, we should remove sprinting too. Can’t have those Jamaicans dominating, can we?
August 14th 2012 @ 9:56am
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Difference being the undeniable pinnacle of Track & Field is the Olympic Games. I empathize with Greg Baum’ s recent article stating that the Olympics should principally be for the sports where an Olympic Gold medal is the undeniable pinnacle of achievement. The Games have become a bloated monstrosity these days and if the IOC isn’t careful the day will come like UEFA2020, where no member nations are interested in even bidding to host due to the prohibitive costs involved.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:08am
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:08am | Report comment
The Olympic Games are also the undeniable pinnacle for international basketball.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:08pm
Emric said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
true Ryan 1936 is when basketball was allowed into the Olympics but in 1992 where the rules were changed to allow professional players into the team that the game became nothing more then a token gold medal for the Americans. They have the biggest, best and richest basketball league in the world they wipe the floor with basically everything they came across.
Anyway since when did history of a sport being in the Olympics grantee its success transfer to the next venue the games are being held. If the Olympics have proved anything is that no sport has a grantee to be there next time.
Perhaps its time Soccer and Basketball were dropped as they have bigger more important events in the basketball world championship and FIFA soccer world cup (or at least be reduced to the shorter version of eh sport)
August 14th 2012 @ 9:36pm
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:36pm | Report comment
Emric,
The Olympics are no longer about amateur athletics. Most countries in most sports now send professionals. That includes basketball. Yes, America are the best at baskteball, but why should that be held against them? Is Jamaica’s dominance of sprinting held against them?
In any event, the Americans haven’t ‘wiped the floor with everyone’ since 1992. They could only muster the bronze medal in 2004, when Argentina upset them. And in case you missed it, Spain nearly upset them in the gold medal game this year. They only lost by 7, and could have easily won.
The rest of the world is catching up, just like they caught up to the US college kids, pre-1992.
As to your other points, I never said basketball should be guaranteed a spot in the Olympics. I brought up its induction in 1936 to merely highlight that it’s been around for a long time.
Lastly, unlike Football, the Olympics are the pinnacle of international play in basketball, not the World Championships.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:03pm
Emric said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:03pm | Report comment
Ryan
Has Jamaica dominated the 100 meters over the last 60 years like the Americans have in basketball even in the pre-professional era the USA was the most dominant force force having lost only twice to the soviet union and once to Yugoslavia both nations are now defunct out of 18 finals played the USA has won 14 of them that’s a 77.77% Gold medal rate if that’s not dominating an Olympic sport then what is?
I can’t recall any other nation which has had the same dominance over a sport in the Olympics not even in Rugby could New Zealand be almost gifted a gold medal at the end of the competition.
Perhaps the Olympic committee needs to look at the competitive nature of a sport before admitting it into the Olympics.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:23pm
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
the 100m the last 6 olympics were won by a jamaican, two americans, a brit and a canadian..that’s hardly dominating..there were also a couple of useful trinidadians, a namibian and giant from barbados in the mix..
August 14th 2012 @ 10:31pm
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:31pm | Report comment
Let me get this right. So because America are good at something, we should get rid of that sport? That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read on The Roar. And that’s saying something.
In swimming from 1960 to 2008, the USA only failed to win gold once in the men’s 4×100 meter medley. Should we have stopped holding that event too?
And ask Team USA if they were ‘gifted’ the gold medal on Sunday. They won by 7 points for goodness sake. And they only beat Lithuania by 6 points in the round game.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:30am
Ian said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:30am | Report comment
another sport introduced so USA an win a gold. i can’t believe golf is coming in at rio.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:36am
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Basketball has been in the Olympics since 1936. It’s not some flash-in-the-pan that has been recently introduced – it made it’s debut before the NBA even existed. And it wasn’t introduced so America could win a gold medal at all – that’s a load of rubbish.
If you don’t like basketball, that’s fine. As I said, to each their own. But don’t make stuff up.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:16am
AIS said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:16am | Report comment
The only reason that they didn’t stay in the village was because the dorm beds were pathetically small. You can see pictures online. Jamaicans had to order a custom bed for Usain Bolt. The only people at fault were the British organisers.
August 14th 2012 @ 12:40pm
BigAl said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
What about all the other B/Ball teams ?
August 14th 2012 @ 12:54pm
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
most american teams never stay in the olympic village..they either stay at hotels or hire apartments..best answer is they’re stuck up and can afford it..
August 14th 2012 @ 9:31am
Ian said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:31am | Report comment
thanks for your contribution RC97.
why don’t you just say soccer sucks?
no showponies in the america NBA? what planet are you from? they own being up themselves.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:35am
Tim said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Hehe even those super-athletic behemoths in the NFL flop, check out some of the New York Giant’s best work over the years.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:36am
Kasey said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:36am | Report comment
As you know Ian I love football and on occasion that I bother to think about them it gives me a warm and fuzzy to imagine these “Sockah Sucks! Neanderthals watching the growing tide of football in this country and stewing in their own bile and hatred of a truly beautiful game. Their loss I guess, they carry the hatred around and ultimately it has to effect them and their own mental well-being.
August 14th 2012 @ 4:20pm
BigAl said | August 14th 2012 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
!!! crikey ! – “Heal thyself”
August 14th 2012 @ 5:59pm
Marc said | August 14th 2012 @ 5:59pm | Report comment
That explains Terry Tavita perfectly
August 14th 2012 @ 6:37pm
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 6:37pm | Report comment
yea sue me for being honest..i think its boring, most samoans think its boring..heck, most americans think its boring..they’re not “Neanderthals watching the growing tide of football in this country and stewing in their own bile and hatred of a truly beautiful game”..far from it..
August 14th 2012 @ 8:58pm
Punter said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:58pm | Report comment
It’s the 2nd most popular football code in America, so if Americans think it’s boring what do they think of the other codes?
August 14th 2012 @ 9:39pm
Marc said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:39pm | Report comment
Remind me Terry. How popular is rah rah in America? Johnno would know the answer without even researching it “The Americans love rugby. Don’t you know it’s the fastest growing sport in America?”
August 14th 2012 @ 9:44pm
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:44pm | Report comment
scraping aren’t we? oh please, they only know one football there and its called american football..and it certainly doesn’t involve bumping a ball on your head..soccer had a world cup there and it never really took off..rugby btw is now the fastest growing sport in the good ol USA..
August 14th 2012 @ 9:49pm
Titus said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:49pm | Report comment
Terry, whats boring is you….not to mention ignorant and delusional.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:56pm
MV Dave said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:56pm | Report comment
How’s that Rugby pro league going in America Terry? Where’s your evidence that Rugby is the fastest growing sport in the US? MLS has 19 teams with an average crowd of nearly 19,000…over 5 million aggregate crowds for the season…
August 14th 2012 @ 10:12pm
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:12pm | Report comment
read and cry..
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/07/26/rugby_gaining_a_foothold_with_youth_north_of_boston/
August 14th 2012 @ 10:28pm
MV Dave said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:28pm | Report comment
Sorry Terry read and weep yourself…your article contains old news…
http://shine.yahoo.com/team-mom/lacrosse-fastest-growing-sport-us-203700673.html
BTW how’s that Rugby pro league going?
August 14th 2012 @ 10:37pm
Terry Tavita said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:37pm | Report comment
that article actually confirms rugby as the fastest growing sport in America(latest figures, 2007-2009)..did you actually read it dummy? and where does kick ball figure in there?
August 14th 2012 @ 10:47pm
MV Dave said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:47pm | Report comment
Your figures were for 3-4 years ago and have been superseded… It is currently 2012 just in case you missed it. How’s that Rugby pro league going in the USA?
August 14th 2012 @ 10:57pm
Titus said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:57pm | Report comment
“kickball” figures in there as the second most popular sport, behind Gymnastics. Pretty easy to have impressive growth from a low base Terry, but Rugby doesn’t even register, sorry mate most people just find the game boring……don’t take it personally.
August 15th 2012 @ 12:05am
Johnno said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:05am | Report comment
Marc rugby in USA is thriving, the survey form the major one does last time showed rugby was 2nd in growth. lacrosse was no1, but rugby is really up there in the USA it is thriving. record crowd this year for eagles game vs italy more than 17,000. USA rugby is in good shape now it is getting olympic funding. Rookie rugby got an IRB award. Terry i agree with here too he loves rugby and so do the rest of the world and the statistics prove it, i love rugby and it is thriving in so many new markets. But soccer is the no1 game currently it may not be forever rugby is surging in so many new markets and existing ones, but for now soccer is holding on to no 1, but rugby is catching it year by year no question. All high schools in russia now will be having a rugby team now that 7evens rugby is an Olympic sport. Good article terry posted from boston newspaper shows the statistics are very high in rugby growth in the uSA over 1 million players now out of 300 million that is great development in such a short time. Plus the USA won the JWRT in slat lake city utah, and next year will be competing in the under-20 rugby world cup vs australia, NZ, sth africa, england,france so rugby is in the up no question and the las vegas sevens keeps getting bigger.
August 15th 2012 @ 12:20am
Johnno said | August 15th 2012 @ 12:20am | Report comment
And look at this people USA rugby for woman is getting very serious, they train at an academy high performance centre now full time great facilities.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/video/#!/news/sports/Womens-Rugby-Aims-for-Olympics/165992146
August 15th 2012 @ 4:56am
Marc said | August 15th 2012 @ 4:56am | Report comment
25 million soccer players in the USA and growing on the back of the successful expansion of the MLS and an outstanding Women’s National Team – 4 times Olympic Champions and 2-time World Champions.
August 15th 2012 @ 6:44am
Terry Tavita said | August 15th 2012 @ 6:44am | Report comment
stop bullshatting mate..if it had 25 million players it would be the number one sport in America..baseball only has 11 million players and its that country’s favourite past time..american football, just 9 million..please stop pulling bs figures outa your arse..
August 15th 2012 @ 1:22pm
Marc said | August 15th 2012 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
what does that humble pie taste like?
http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=usa/countryInfo.html
Big Count
All Players
24,472,778
Registered players
4,186,778
Unregistered Players
20,286,000
Clubs
9,000
Officials
796,300
August 14th 2012 @ 9:37am
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:37am | Report comment
100m sprinters have it all over the NBA players, in terms of being showponies.
August 14th 2012 @ 8:38am
Brett McKay said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Nice one Ryano, though I do love the irony that a piece pointing out the stupidity of code wars is already starting another one…
August 14th 2012 @ 9:38am
Ryan O'Connell said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:38am | Report comment
It seems the editors have deleted them, Brett!
August 14th 2012 @ 9:44am
Brett McKay said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:44am | Report comment
and good on them…
August 17th 2012 @ 8:31am
Ian Whitchurch said | August 17th 2012 @ 8:31am | Report comment
One of them ? I thought I saw several.