Rugby League’s ‘Moneyball’ players
By MG Burbank, 14 Aug 2012 MG Burbank is a Roar Guru
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Had South Sydney managed to surprise this writer by denying Manly victory on Friday night, this article would never have been written.
Yet the Rabbitohs confirmed a growing trend in recent weeks in the NRL: clubs carrying the higher proportion of skilled players between the 1,6,7 and 9 will win the big matches, even if the run of play seems to indicate otherwise.
We tend to focus on the teams with the most superstar players, and with good reason: they contribute the most valuable plays that swing close-fought contests.
Yet there’s another kind of player emerging who may be just as valuable in big games when defences are canceling each other out and elite players are being swamped in attack.
This player defies easy description; he’s not a yardage man, like Brisbane’s champion Petero Civoniceva, who performs a crucial task for his team.
Nor is he a pivot, providing a good kicking game or a passing link between forwards and backs (despite much overhyping, Adam Reynolds and Jamie Soward fall into this category).
The player who is proving the difference right now is the skill player. He won’t break four tackles in a run. He won’t throw a cut-out ball to give a winger easy passage to the line.
But here’s what else he won’t do: he won’t give the defence a chance to breathe with an easy, one-out run. Once he’s initiated collision, he won’t allow tacklers to break off quickly and regain their place in the line. He also won’t stop and put hands on hips having played the ball.
This is league’s skill player, a guy who, in the absence of gamebreaking brilliance, will provide footwork, ballplay and support play for 80 minutes. He’s your classic fly in the defensive line’s ointment, drawing enough defensive attention to himself to facilitate a breakdown one, two, three passes later.
South Sydney experienced this on Friday night. Much has been written about their gamebreaking ability; players like Greg Inglis (admittedly absent against Manly), John Sutton, Dave Taylor, Isaac Luke and Sam Burgess had been dominating opponents with power and/or brilliance.
Yet one only has to look at a near full-strength Sea Eagles outfit to see they are packed with skill players. Souths, on the other hand, lack depth and skill below their four or five champions.
Manly lacked ball control in the first half, but they clearly weren’t bothered; they were confident of dodging the Bunnies’ big punches and bleeding Souths with jabs and body blows all night long. I doubt that the presence of Inglis would have changed the result.
Men like Glenn Stewart, Kieran Foran and Anthony Watmough exhaust the opposition: anytime they touch the ball, three to four defenders have to stop and pay close attention, with the rest of the line having to adjust accordingly.
In the end, one of the most skillful centers in the modern era, Jamie Lyon, reaped the benefits. Manly had bled Souths in the middle of the field and space started to open up.
It’s no coincidence that Des Hasler, who built this Manly team, has infused his Canterbury team with the same approach. The Bulldogs lack a dominant half/five-eighth or hooker; consequently, Hasler has turned his big men into ballplayers.
Every time behemoths like Sam Kasiano and Frank Pritchard get the ball, their ability to pass in combination creates doubt, causing stasis in the middle of the field and jagged edges in the defensive line.
Out wide, the addition of Krisnan Inu fit Hasler’s approach perfectly. Provided he can keep his error rate down, Inu is a constant drain on the opposition.
Melbourne are clearly a leading contender, yet they struggled to defeat the Titans over the weekend. It was not surprising to see Gareth Widdop, now back at five-eighth, heavily involved as a second option to Cooper Cronk against the Gold Coast.
Craig Bellamy knows that opposition defences are resting for periods, waiting for the Storm to hit the ball up without much ballplay. The Storm then relies heavily on Cronk’s side of the field in attacking plays.
Ryan Hoffmann, one of the Storm’s few skill players outside of their big three, is vital to Melbourne’s chances. If I were Bellamy I’d be trying to combine Widdop and Hoffmann on the opposing side of the field to Cronk and Slater to keep both sides of the opposition’s line interested.
Small feats of skill pile up on the opposition; the teams with the highest percentage of these per six tackles will win out in September.
With this in mind, keep an eye on the Cowboys: if they can match the opposition defensively, they may be the dark horse.
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August 14th 2012 @ 8:21am
sledgeross said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Great article. Ive been writing Manly off as over-rated and have been waiting for them to fail for teh last 5 seasons. They havent.
They have no real superstars or game-breakers, but they are the best “team” in the comp.
August 14th 2012 @ 8:27am
steve b said | August 14th 2012 @ 8:27am | Report comment
So your tips for the grand final are Manly v Dogs or maybe the Storm and its worth a punt on the cowboys ,, i think your close to right i hope so because this is exactly who i have my money on for the final four ,,got good odds to …
August 14th 2012 @ 9:28am
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:28am | Report comment
You’re in good shape Steve.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:15am
Sammy Grazer said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:15am | Report comment
One thing to add to these ‘skill’ players MG, is often their continued intensity with which they play. This intensity is a direct, and in my opinion, only a result of pure commitment to the cause (think Michael Jordan, Alfy Langer, Benny Ellias). Many of those you have listed above have that commitment. Nonetheless, intensity doesn’t make you a Great, you need all the attributes you have previously stated.
Go the mighty intense and commited Roosters!
August 14th 2012 @ 9:29am
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:29am | Report comment
True. You’re right- it’s that extra level of energy which begins to dominate the opposition over time. And yes, the Roosters are having a tremendously ‘committed’ year.
August 14th 2012 @ 9:19am
Pogo said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Flip the coin and you get the Warriors, loads of eye catching performers (Vatuvei, Locke, Fisiahi, Hurrell, johnson Maloney) But a shortage of steeley hardworkers (ones fit to play anyway).
August 14th 2012 @ 9:32am
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Yeah Pogo, they aren’t lacking in skill but I would probably call what that team has ‘flair’. The kind of skill guys like Watmough, Stewart, Thaiday, Kasiano, Foran have isn’t always flashy- it prevails in tight, intense games. The Warriors have very few of those kind of players.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:42am
Jimbo Jones said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:42am | Report comment
What about the Sharks? Do they have too many workers and not enough flair?
August 14th 2012 @ 10:55am
Dogs Of War said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:55am | Report comment
Sharks have a great forward pack, Carney, and not much else. Though recruitment for next season looks very positive and might push them higher up the table next season. What does hold them back is not having the facilities and support staff that other clubs have at their disposal, and in such a tight comp, it’s all those one percenters that can make the difference over a very long season.
It would make a very interesting article to see what sort of facilities and support staff are available at each club, it would show that although the salary cap is their to even out the clubs, the clubs do a lot in the background to make it anything but equal.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:31pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
Not enough flair/brilliance (slater, marshall, thurston, barba, Inglis etc) or the kind of skill players this article denotes. Cronulla simply don’t have the players to cause the top teams enough problems over the course of a game; they’ll be relying heavily (assuming they make the 8) on an enormous work rate, absolutely no errors and a below-par performance by their opposition. That won’t happen more than once in the finals- if they’re lucky.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:34pm
PLANKO said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
The main problem is that Robson is not up to it ….. He is a good player but gets found out occasionally. I don’t think you can afford for your Half back to be a marginal first grader !
August 14th 2012 @ 2:47pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
No chance. Cronulla have benefited from being a dark horse up until this point. Clubs are now treating them with greater respect and the Sharkies are now struggling to put wins together- except against teams like the Warriors who simply aren’t fair dinkum.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:29am
Dogs Of War said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:29am | Report comment
How about the NRL’s original moneyball coach. Brian Smith was always one to use stats to pick his side and for recruitment, and it worked for a long time at Parramatta. He tried to recreate the situation at the Knights, but was only half way through removing all the dead wood before the Roosters flashed their cash and got him to move. Alas like the movie, he may have been the first to do it, but other clubs also use stats in the same way these days, and watching the Roosters go around this year, it seems that stats only work to a point.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:40am
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Good call DOW. Yes, Smith’s teams often featured this kind of player- unfortunately he lacked champions in the influential positions against sides like Brisbane and Newcastle.
This current Roosters team has plenty of phenomenal athletes- big, fast, mobile players- but not too many skill players and no elite players at 1,6,7 or 9. Big problem.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:39am
rl said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:39am | Report comment
Good read MG. I reckon Glenn Stewart is one the the most valuable players running around – relentless worker, soft hands, great defensive ‘tagger’ (the coach can confidently task him with targetting a key opposition player – look how well Thursto went in SOO3 when Stewart was absent). And I agree – Melbourne’s stock of consistent skill players has diminished over time. Sika Manu as always can make a big play, but for outright Stewart/Watmough-like intensity the closest match is Hoffman. I reckon the Dogs and Manly will target Hoffman in the finals, meaning Manu, Ryles and others will need to lift significantly – which is possible, but not probable.
August 14th 2012 @ 10:41am
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Agreed. And Sika Manu is more of a power guy than someone who consistently challenges defenders with skill. In the big matches, he’ll be contained.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:11am
PLANKO said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:11am | Report comment
SORRY MG,
Souths are one of the teams. Mate they get totally owned by the Eagles on Friday night. They need to lift. Eagles probably had the worst first half and they went in with a lead. Yes they had a the wind but they did not use it at all except for once when DCE went for a 40/20. Sure they were without Inglis. Eagles were down 3 players.
I have no other forum for this But does anyone know if the club’s playing at ANZ are still getting paid/subsidised to play at ANZ ?
August 14th 2012 @ 2:33pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
Planko, this is a bit confusing. Are you saying they are one of the teams to beat? Because you then go on to say that they were owned by Manly. Which is it?
August 14th 2012 @ 2:37pm
PLANKO said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Sorry burbank my incorrectness Souths are still one of those teams… As in getting close but not there yet. They may do it but I put them in the dark horse category still not the Grand Finalist’s favourites as yet ! Clearer ?
August 14th 2012 @ 2:39pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
Very. And I am in agreement.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:34am
Junior said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Good article. To apply Moneyball principles to rugby league is difficult. Baseball is dominated by stats and it’s easy to find cause and effect relationships between various stats and results. That’s what Moneyball did, with only a modest level of success (I’m defining success as winning World Series’ rather than punching above your weight). In rugby league there are too many grey areas, too many other factors and so it is hard to Moneyball-ise it. A terrific pass, a silky piece of skill, a brutal tackle, a great kick – we can mostly tell if we see one but we can’t say that Scott Prince’s kick that trapped the fullback in goal was better than Kris Keating’s. Maybe it was the kick-chase rather than the defence?
League is trying to get more stats into the game but for now there is no comparison. Number of hit ups or number of metres means nothing in reality. More meaningful stats (if they indeed exist) are needed before a professional Moneyball approach can be applied to rugby league. While the stats companies and the stats teams at each club would have you believe otherwise, there’s not a hell of a lot of value in stats in rugby league beyond the cursory possession held %age (thanks Jack Gibson).
Which all makes Brian Smith’s statistical approach look like pie n the sky stuff. His techniques are known only to himself and the unfortunate group of players who have had to play under him. And to say his methods worked at Parramatta is stretching the truth. His team capitulated in the 2001 GF and were thumped 29-0 in the prelim game vs NQ in 2005, despite going in as heavy favourites both times. No point having the right players in place if you can’t motivate them to perform. He has won nothing in his almost 30 years as a coach, either here or in England.
August 14th 2012 @ 11:43am
PLANKO said | August 14th 2012 @ 11:43am | Report comment
I agree with you in general but there is one statistic that wins Manly’s games for them. G STEWART , WATMOUGH, BALLIN and sometimes KITE if they make high 30 tackles each manly have a good night. You will find that most teams have 3 or 4 players that they rely on alot for their defence. It not only keeps the the opposition’s score down but it also means your attacking players are fresh to make their input without being burdened with a big defensive effort.
August 15th 2012 @ 10:47am
Haz said | August 15th 2012 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Agreed.
I agree with this article to a point, but it only focusses on the offence. The thing that wins games for Manly is the mix of players who scramble in defence (Stewart, Stewart, Watmough, Kite, Ballin, Lyon), and the players who come up with the big hits in defence (King, Matai, Foran).
For instance, our (Manly)’s left edge now leaks a lot more points, because they don’t have Mr Automatic (Michael Robertson) scrambling next to Matai.
[That's also why I rate Barba a better player than Benji at the moment... Benji still doesn't care too much about defence, but Hasler has got Barba defending like a champion.]
August 14th 2012 @ 12:15pm
Nate Hornblower said | August 14th 2012 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
good points, Baseball is in essence a one on one match up game, batter vs pitcher. So much easier to apply those moneyball principles. It would take a lot more work to find relevant numbers that would work for a sport like Rugby League, its possible but not easy.
August 14th 2012 @ 1:03pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:03pm | Report comment
Junior
He has made 4 GF here and won a Challenge Cup in the UK, that not bad.
August 14th 2012 @ 1:40pm
eagleJack said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Yet Scott you seem to think Ricky Stuart’s record is poor?!
BTW, Smith has NEVER won a Challenge Cup. Made the final in 96 but LOST (as is the norm for Smith in deciders) to St Helens.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:29pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
Jack
Brian and Ricky have 2 things in common…their teams gradually get worse the longer they hang around.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:37pm
eagleJack said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
Yep can’t argue with that. I reckon the Eels will be at their peak under Ricky in 2014 then slowly fade away.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:39pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:39pm | Report comment
This is an interesting one, Scott. You selectively note that teams under those coaches get worse “the longer they’re there”. Well… what about the time period during which they got a hell of a lot better? That has to count for something. The Roosters hadn’t won a GF in a long time and they won immediately under Stuart. He must deserve at least some credit.
August 14th 2012 @ 3:54pm
Junior said | August 14th 2012 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
Stuart did win his only title the year the Dogs were booted out. OK they were cheating the cap and deserved to be punted, but Stuart’s only NRL title needs an asterisk beside it.
Also, while he did coach the winning Origin team in 2005 with arguably the best number 7 the game has seen at his disposal, he’s won just two out of six in his recent stint in charge.
Ask the Cronulla fan what he thinks of him. I’m tipping Eels fans will be crying out Kearney to return about this time next year.
His ability to jag top NRL coaching jobs despite limited credentials suggests he has a job as NRL Head of Marketing when his coaching days are up.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm
Junior said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Four GFs in 30 years? Would you sign a coach for the next 30 years if he guaranteed you that he would get your team to four GFs in 30 years but lose them all?
Also, Challenge Cup final is akin to winning the old mid-week Amco or Panasonic Cup here. It’s a knockout comp. Challenge Cup has slightly more prestige I guess, but nobody really remembers the winners of the Australian equivalent competitions (unless it was your team or Combined Brisbane or Western Division) let alone the coaches who won. Only a coach who won nothing in the week in-week out premiership would have Challenge Cup/Amco/Panasonic triumphs listed on his CV.
For the record, Brian Smith did lead the Bradford Bulls to the Challenge Cup in 1996. They lost 40-32.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:35pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
Junior, as a fellow baseball fan (clearly you are) I totally agree. My use of ‘Moneyball’ was more figurative than literal. You’re absolutely right- league will never be stat-oriented like baseball; it’s simply impossible to measure it that way and coaches like Smith who become obsessed with statistics are wasting time and energy. Having said that, he has a proven record of improving the performance of clubs when he takes over. That can’t be discounted, even if they fall at the final hurdle.
August 14th 2012 @ 1:01pm
ScottWoodward.me said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
MG
Good stuff.
The problem with the Cowboys is they will have to win 4 games straight and they have a 17% win record in Sydney.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:36pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
Good point, Scott. Their mental frailty away from home tells me that Neil Henry isn’t an elite coach. I’d like to see how they do under Bennett, Bellamy or Hasler.
August 14th 2012 @ 1:08pm
turbodewd said | August 14th 2012 @ 1:08pm | Report comment
Will tomorrow’s follow up post on this matter be the NRL’s money shot players of yesteryear? Gasnier, apparently, would be high on the list.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:36pm
MG Burbank said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:36pm | Report comment
Turbo, this made me laugh. Nice one.
August 14th 2012 @ 2:45pm
PLANKO said | August 14th 2012 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
I work with Turbo… 1 question there could be 2 lists some that have been worth the money and others that were not !! eg FITTLER and BRAITH ! I think that people due to the length of time passed that it is forgotten that Braith was a big deal at the time.One worth the money the other maybe not ?